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A question about abortion....

 
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A question about abortion....
I'd really just like a simple YES or NO answer please.

If a person gets an abortion at ANY stage of a pregnancy and regardless of the reason for the abortion, is it true that the human being that would've been, will not be?

I'll ask it another way:

If the abortion did NOT take place, would the end result be a living human being at some point in time (not withstanding miscarries)?
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Too heady of a question to ask on a Friday night?
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Re: A question about abortion....
maybe i should change the title to "a question about vagina"
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Re: A question about abortion....
Yes.
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Re: A question about abortion....
Yes.
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i should post this as a poll question instead.
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No, a human being existed. A human being is killed during abortion.

With abortion you don't have a child that never was, you have a dead child.
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Too heady of a question to ask on a Friday night?
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Geez, 7 minutes and you are already impatient for a reply on a Friday night?

Yes. A life ended is a life ended. A life allowed to live is alive to become what they would be.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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Somone with a low IQ trying to philosophy.

Yes, wise one, pregnancy means baby.

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Re: A question about abortion....
I'd really just like a simple YES or NO answer please.

If a person gets an abortion at ANY stage of a pregnancy and regardless of the reason for the abortion, is it true that the human being that would've been, will not be?

I'll ask it another way:

If the abortion did NOT take place, would the end result be a living human being at some point in time (not withstanding miscarries)?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1390471


I am a follower of the Bible. Or try to be.
God is not pro-abortion and does not agree with abortion.
But you can do as you wish. God will remember what you did to an innocent human being.
Abortion to God is murder.

I am not sure of how God would react to abortion to save the live of a mother with living children? Maybe someone with
far more knowledge than me of the scriptures would know?
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No, a human being existed. A human being is killed during abortion.

With abortion you don't have a child that never was, you have a dead child.
 Quoting: samanthasunflower


exactly---its murder from the moment of conception.

all the spin in the world isn't going to change that.

MURDER!!!!!!!!

period.


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I'd really just like a simple YES or NO answer please.

If a person gets an abortion at ANY stage of a pregnancy and regardless of the reason for the abortion, is it true that the human being that would've been, will not be?

I'll ask it another way:

If the abortion did NOT take place, would the end result be a living human being at some point in time (not withstanding miscarries)?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1390471


The short answer is yes, other than, as you say, a miscarriage, death of the mother, etc.
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No, a human being existed. A human being is killed during abortion.

With abortion you don't have a child that never was, you have a dead child.
 Quoting: samanthasunflower


exactly---its murder from the moment of conception.

all the spin in the world isn't going to change that.

MURDER!!!!!!!!

period.


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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1139115


Plain and simple...MURDER!
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Yes, it is true that if a person gets an abortion the human being that would've been, will not be.
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I'm curious, why do you ask?
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I'm curious, why do you ask?
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Thanks for asking. I was experimenting a little.

I was wondering if there was anyone who would dare type the word "no" as a reply to my question.

It seems that when you post a question or thread relating to abortion, everyone has an opinion. The pro-abortion people are always quick to give their reasoning and spin that they think supports their cause.
They can't help it any more that we anti-abortion folks can't help but feel the need to passionately make our arguments.

So, I wondered if my simple question could cut right through all the pro-abortion spin.

I believe that it did.

While I didn't get a ton of replies, of the replies that i did get, there wasn't a single NO.

Here's the deal; there is absolutely ZERO pro-abortion argument or spin that can reconciled against the fact that if you do not have an abortion, a person will be a result.

Again, no one, not even the staunchest or abortion supports, can answer "no" to my original question.

This is a very important lesson for both sides;

For pro-abortionists, it should make you take pause and reconsider the beliefs that you hold relating to abortion. You can argue about women's' rights or any other angle all you want, but you cannot run away from the simple fact that if the abortion does not occur, there will be a person. Followed to it's logical conclusion, by having, giving or advocating an abortion, YOU are contributing to the ceasing of a person.

For anti-abortionists, your lesson is that this is the simplest and most effective argument that you can ever make. I truly believe that when you boil it down to this simple question, the pro-abortion person's stance crumbles.
All you have to do is ask the question. It takes care of the rest.

The question and it's answer undermines any pro-abortion argument that exists.

By forcing someone to admit what the "ends" truly are, you diminish the effect of their "means" or of their reasoning as to why they defend abortion.

Here's the best part; you will either successfully begin to awaken someone by planting the smallest of seeds that they will continue to contemplate later, and may change them (which is the greatest gift you can give), or,
you will expose the truly black-hearted for who they are.

What do i mean?

Since no one can possibly answer "no" to the question, the next closest thing you'll get is a "yes" followed by excuses or efforts to explain away and justify their "yes".

For example; "Yes, you are ceasing what will be a life but isn't that better than dooming that child to grow up in a terrible home?"

To which the only reply needed is "so you feel that you have the authority to decide whether or not a person can live?"

In fact, if anyone answers "yes" followed by more illogical reasoning and justifications, your reply is always the same; "so you feel for yours reasons that you have the authority to decide whether or not a person can live?"

It is powerful. At the least it creates pause. It makes people think. It's a small crack in the dam of lies and justifications that they have bought and built.

Anyway, no one here on this great GLP website, can honestly reply with a "no". And that is what i was trying to illustrate. Because that, followed logically should make any pro-abortion person at least acknowledge and take responsibility for their stance.

You and i both know that there are people supporting abortion who haven't thought it through all the way.

For the sake of their souls, the unborn souls and the soul of the country, we have to keep challenging them, even if it is just on a forum. Make people think.
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Re: A question about abortion....
I'd really just like a simple YES or NO answer please.

If a person gets an abortion at ANY stage of a pregnancy and regardless of the reason for the abortion, is it true that the human being that would've been, will not be?

I'll ask it another way:

If the abortion did NOT take place, would the end result be a living human being at some point in time (not withstanding miscarries)?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1390471


I am a follower of the Bible. Or try to be.
God is not pro-abortion and does not agree with abortion.
But you can do as you wish. God will remember what you did to an innocent human being.
Abortion to God is murder.

I am not sure of how God would react to abortion to save the live of a mother with living children? Maybe someone with
far more knowledge than me of the scriptures would know?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22552125


i thought nobody was innocent, we're all sinners? what about the pregnant mothers killed when TCG dropped the flood on the world? i'm sure some foetuses bought the farm then, or is it alright for god to do it? (i'm pretty certain the answer is 'yes, it is alright' double standards and all that)
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Re: A question about abortion....
like i wrote in another thread; Thread: Man strangles pregnant girlfriend, 2 counts of murder. How is that possible if abortion isn't murder?

it needs repeating;

"..... once that sperm germinates the seed.....a series of events begins begin to occur....cells split....cells take shape...... if i cease that process.....whether only 1 minute after germination or days, weeks or months later..... what have i done? ..... i have ceased the existence of what would have been a human being.

There is no getting around it.

If i stop the pregnancy the morning after or 6 months in, the result is the same......

i ceased that human being from being born. i ceased that human being from entering the world.

logic people. strip away the emotion and selfishness.

i dont care what your reasons are for wanting or condoning an abortion.

i dont care if you dont want to consider it a person until it is naturally born at 9 months....

if you stop the pregnancy at any point along the way, for any reason at all, you stopped a person from entering the world.

i'd AT LEAST like to see a pro-abortion person say "you know what, you're right, and i dont care."

That would at least be honest and refreshing.
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I'm curious, why do you ask?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22557883



Thanks for asking. I was experimenting a little.

I was wondering if there was anyone who would dare type the word "no" as a reply to my question.

It seems that when you post a question or thread relating to abortion, everyone has an opinion. The pro-abortion people are always quick to give their reasoning and spin that they think supports their cause.
They can't help it any more that we anti-abortion folks can't help but feel the need to passionately make our arguments.

So, I wondered if my simple question could cut right through all the pro-abortion spin.

I believe that it did.

While I didn't get a ton of replies, of the replies that i did get, there wasn't a single NO.

Here's the deal; there is absolutely ZERO pro-abortion argument or spin that can reconciled against the fact that if you do not have an abortion, a person will be a result.

Again, no one, not even the staunchest or abortion supports, can answer "no" to my original question.

This is a very important lesson for both sides;

For pro-abortionists, it should make you take pause and reconsider the beliefs that you hold relating to abortion. You can argue about women's' rights or any other angle all you want, but you cannot run away from the simple fact that if the abortion does not occur, there will be a person. Followed to it's logical conclusion, by having, giving or advocating an abortion, YOU are contributing to the ceasing of a person.

For anti-abortionists, your lesson is that this is the simplest and most effective argument that you can ever make. I truly believe that when you boil it down to this simple question, the pro-abortion person's stance crumbles.
All you have to do is ask the question. It takes care of the rest.

The question and it's answer undermines any pro-abortion argument that exists.

By forcing someone to admit what the "ends" truly are, you diminish the effect of their "means" or of their reasoning as to why they defend abortion.

Here's the best part; you will either successfully begin to awaken someone by planting the smallest of seeds that they will continue to contemplate later, and may change them (which is the greatest gift you can give), or,
you will expose the truly black-hearted for who they are.

What do i mean?

Since no one can possibly answer "no" to the question, the next closest thing you'll get is a "yes" followed by excuses or efforts to explain away and justify their "yes".

For example; "Yes, you are ceasing what will be a life but isn't that better than dooming that child to grow up in a terrible home?"

To which the only reply needed is "so you feel that you have the authority to decide whether or not a person can live?"

In fact, if anyone answers "yes" followed by more illogical reasoning and justifications, your reply is always the same; "so you feel for yours reasons that you have the authority to decide whether or not a person can live?"

It is powerful. At the least it creates pause. It makes people think. It's a small crack in the dam of lies and justifications that they have bought and built.

Anyway, no one here on this great GLP website, can honestly reply with a "no". And that is what i was trying to illustrate. Because that, followed logically should make any pro-abortion person at least acknowledge and take responsibility for their stance.

You and i both know that there are people supporting abortion who haven't thought it through all the way.

For the sake of their souls, the unborn souls and the soul of the country, we have to keep challenging them, even if it is just on a forum. Make people think.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1390471


i've bolded the part above - ironic that your ancient book means you think you have the authority to decide whether or not that the foetus grows to full term though
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like i wrote in another thread; Thread: Man strangles pregnant girlfriend, 2 counts of murder. How is that possible if abortion isn't murder?

it needs repeating;

"..... once that sperm germinates the seed.....a series of events begins begin to occur....cells split....cells take shape...... if i cease that process.....whether only 1 minute after germination or days, weeks or months later..... what have i done? ..... i have ceased the existence of what would have been a human being.

There is no getting around it.

If i stop the pregnancy the morning after or 6 months in, the result is the same......

i ceased that human being from being born. i ceased that human being from entering the world.

logic people. strip away the emotion and selfishness.

i dont care what your reasons are for wanting or condoning an abortion.

i dont care if you dont want to consider it a person until it is naturally born at 9 months....

if you stop the pregnancy at any point along the way, for any reason at all, you stopped a person from entering the world.

i'd AT LEAST like to see a pro-abortion person say "you know what, you're right, and i dont care."

That would at least be honest and refreshing.
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is miscarriage murder too?
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Kind of obvious.

If the baby lives till birth then of course.
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"i've bolded the part above - ironic that your ancient book means you think you have the authority to decide whether or not that the foetus grows to full term though"

"is miscarriage murder too?"

You illustrate my point, thank you both.

Can i correctly assume that you both agree that the answer is "yes" however, you still condone abortion?




By the way, i can't resist commenting, the question "is miscarriage murder too?" is just plain stupid.
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No.
Not all fetuses make it.
Not all pre-fetus fertilized cell make it.
Not aborting doesn't ensure "would-be".
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No.
Not all fetuses make it.
Not all pre-fetus fertilized cell make it.
Not aborting doesn't ensure "would-be".
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Thanks for not reading. I excluded cases of miscarriages etc.
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No.
Not all fetuses make it.
Not all pre-fetus fertilized cell make it.
Not aborting doesn't ensure "would-be".
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Thanks for not reading. I excluded cases of miscarriages etc.
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but why?
according to your logic, that miscarriage is a dead baby. So I guess God is the murderer in that case.
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"i've bolded the part above - ironic that your ancient book means you think you have the authority to decide whether or not that the foetus grows to full term though"

"is miscarriage murder too?"

You illustrate my point, thank you both.

Can i correctly assume that you both agree that the answer is "yes" however, you still condone abortion?




By the way, i can't resist commenting, the question "is miscarriage murder too?" is just plain stupid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1390471


it supposedly illustrates your point but you don't respond to it

if miscarriage is the body's way of dispensing with a pregnancy does that mean the body has gone against your tribal deity?

if a woman purposely makes that decision herself she does it on her own authority, whereas the authority of your particular brand of religion is what she should surrender herself to?
if your god is so bothered and tearful about a pregnancy going to full term why does it then let thousands of children then die of starvation every day?
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The soul returns from whence it came...

from the Loving Arms of God.


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nonsense
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No, a human being existed. A human being is killed during abortion.

With abortion you don't have a child that never was, you have a dead child.
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grizzy That is most certainly true. Abortion is a very serious matter from a biblical point of view.

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gotta love a bit of jack chick

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