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why white women dont like asian men

 
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Re: why white women dont like asian men
Also....isn't there a population problem in these "higher countries"?

Reproduction problems....recessive diseases....I could go on and on.
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No there is no population problem, and you know why.. Because we are not so fucking stupid that we get 10-15 kids per family.

Low population -> more resources per head -> quality life.

Unfortunately we are stupid enough to invite large amounts of illiterate assholes and criminals to live here.
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Re: why white women dont like asian men
It's because in Asian culture the roles of the women and men are still well defined. Western women are usually too far gone barbie style, or veering towards drunken dykes...

Asian men are worse than the French for mistresses... ;)



Who wants a white woman anyway? Fun bags are overrated...
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White men who say they think Asian women are hot are nothing more than closet pedophiles and homosexuals who are trying to find an acceptable alternative to their sick fantasies.

You need a good shrink and to accept that you are gay.
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Jelly white cow alert!
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ohyeah

Asian women are my favorites too.

My rating:
Asian - 10 of 10 possible Stars
American white - 6
Indian - 4
black - 2
black/white mixture (Brazilian) - 8
European white - 5
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Brazilians are awesome for sex, but I wouldn't want them for a relationship. Heck, I don't think I like any woman for a relationship, they're all fucked up in the head, sex is good with most of them unless they smell like fish or some other animal.
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Re: why white women dont like asian men
Also....isn't there a population problem in these "higher countries"?

Reproduction problems....recessive diseases....I could go on and on.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19271799


No there is no population problem, and you know why.. Because we are not so fucking stupid that we get 10-15 kids per family.

Low population -> more resources per head -> quality life.

Unfortunately we are stupid enough to invite large amounts of illiterate assholes and criminals to live here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23414335


Too good for your own sake, I tell ya.

Isn't it amazing that the beasts have followed you to such otherwise inhospitable region of Earth? Think of this, most of your dark parasites would have never even remotely consider going to the north of Europe if it wasn't because you went there first and erected such a grand society first. Well not even mentioning that they wouldn't even posses the technology to get there in the 1st place cruise
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Re: why white women dont like asian men
some truth in case you are curious

Asian men are hard working,honest,law abiding and better looking than black,still white women like black men more ???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16473248

they do not like them more. Are you basing this upon what you see on tv?

small dick size.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23385160

they are not small. look at studies and statistics another myth

Strangely, white men love Asian women.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23385160

not always, a generalization, a white GQ man here who strongly prefers similar genetic makeup.


Asian men are hard working,honest,law abiding and better looking than black,still white women like black men more ???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16473248


I think you'll find that the majority of white women find you both equally repulsive.
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I wouldn't say repulsive, but perhaps sexually repulsive. The truth is this, but the lies say otherwise in some cases. people generally prefer mates of similar culture/heritage. those who deviate well....
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Re: why white women dont like asian men
Advertisers are really pushing salt and pepper couples on the ads lately. wtf
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Re: why white women dont like asian men
most Asian men find white women too hairy. Most Asians are racist and don't like racial mixing.
China smack.com does stories about both Asian men and women dating outside of their race
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not sure, but if you believe that not liking racial mixing makes you a racist you should probably expand your mind a bit.
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most Asian men find white women too hairy. Most Asians are racist and don't like racial mixing.
China smack.com does stories about both Asian men and women dating outside of their race
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not sure, but if you believe that not liking racial mixing makes you a racist you should probably expand your mind a bit.
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Yeah, AC 12582603, keep telling yourself that, and maybe one day, YOU WILL REALLY believe that! byekitty
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Re: why white women dont like asian men
Just a question!

I look like this picture.
Whites girls do not like me?
[link to contents.innolife.net]
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Re: why white women dont like asian men
Do white woman find me attractive?

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Asian men are hard working,honest,law abiding and better looking than black,still white women like black men more ???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16473248


It is not true that white women like black men more than Asian men.

This idea is being put forwards by the anti white Judaic controlled main stream media.

It is a lie.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23386635

Don't hate, It is true, in america the idea man for white women is tall dark and handsome means. A redneck? Lol You see in america whenever there's a LEVEL playing field on the job and not rigged by whites supremist, blacks dominate it and all the women? This is why rednecks and white supremist rigged the system in their favor, and hire mostly white women, or black women, to keep the Black men out. Because when it comes to women Black men rule.

That's because naturally BLACK MEN SHINE over ALL OTHER MEN AND ALL WOMEN FLOCK TO US NATURALLY. Black men are the most physically diserable men on earth, while white redneck men are seen as johns, simps, and tricks! A poor black man can fuck the same white women that it takes a white guy with a porche or bentley to fuck.

This is why REDNECKS AND WHITE SUPREMIST controlled media work full time to dirty up the black man image as bad, in america! They have no choice but to do this otherwise in 2 generation 80% of america will be black(brown). In america you have whole cites where mix black white children are becoming the majority, and this is becoming the norm everywhere. That's why on here you have the daily hate of propaganda and jealously against blacks.

In America Asian men are seen as non threating, non physical, short, asexual, introverts 3" dicks robots.
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rolfl

Tall, dark and handsome is Scottish.


Asian men are hard working,honest,law abiding and better looking than black,still white women like black men more ???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16473248


It is not true that white women like black men more than Asian men.

This idea is being put forwards by the anti white Judaic controlled main stream media.

It is a lie.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23386635

Don't hate, It is true, in america the idea man for white women is tall dark and handsome means. A redneck? Lol You see in america whenever there's a LEVEL playing field on the job and not rigged by whites supremist, blacks dominate it and all the women? This is why rednecks and white supremist rigged the system in their favor, and hire mostly white women, or black women, to keep the Black men out. Because when it comes to women Black men rule.

That's because naturally BLACK MEN SHINE over ALL OTHER MEN AND ALL WOMEN FLOCK TO US NATURALLY. Black men are the most physically diserable men on earth, while white redneck men are seen as johns, simps, and tricks! A poor black man can fuck the same white women that it takes a white guy with a porche or bentley to fuck.

This is why REDNECKS AND WHITE SUPREMIST controlled media work full time to dirty up the black man image as bad, in america! They have no choice but to do this otherwise in 2 generation 80% of america will be black(brown). In america you have whole cites where mix black white children are becoming the majority, and this is becoming the norm everywhere. That's why on here you have the daily hate of propaganda and jealously against blacks.

In America Asian men are seen as non threating, non physical, short, asexual, introverts 3" dicks robots.
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Re: why white women dont like asian men
EVERYbody loves white women.. every colour...

but white women only like white men... along with a few hispanics/ or other brown skinned and a few blacks and even more few asisans


white people are the prettiest let's face it..
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The Scandinavian races are the apex of human evolution, if all the world was populated merely by that race earth would be a paradise.
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So what you are saying is that if the world was 100% WHITE it would be a paradise?
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Re: why white women dont like asian men
Everyone in this thread fails.

Haven't you all heard that birds of a feather flock together?


Hellloooo?!?!
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Asian men are hard working,honest,law abiding and better looking than black,still white women like black men more ???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16473248


It is not true that white women like black men more than Asian men.

This idea is being put forwards by the anti white Judaic controlled main stream media.

It is a lie.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23386635

Don't hate, It is true, in america the idea man for white women is tall dark and handsome means. A redneck? Lol You see in america whenever there's a LEVEL playing field on the job and not rigged by whites supremist, blacks dominate it and all the women? This is why rednecks and white supremist rigged the system in their favor, and hire mostly white women, or black women, to keep the Black men out. Because when it comes to women Black men rule.

That's because naturally BLACK MEN SHINE over ALL OTHER MEN AND ALL WOMEN FLOCK TO US NATURALLY. Black men are the most physically diserable men on earth, while white redneck men are seen as johns, simps, and tricks! A poor black man can fuck the same white women that it takes a white guy with a porche or bentley to fuck.

This is why REDNECKS AND WHITE SUPREMIST controlled media work full time to dirty up the black man image as bad, in america! They have no choice but to do this otherwise in 2 generation 80% of america will be black(brown). In america you have whole cites where mix black white children are becoming the majority, and this is becoming the norm everywhere. That's why on here you have the daily hate of propaganda and jealously against blacks.

In America Asian men are seen as non threating, non physical, short, asexual, introverts 3" dicks robots.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23409855


Most ladies I know (except for a few whores) are repulsed by black men.

You may want to gather some new working info there boss.
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Re: why white women dont like asian men
It's because in Asian culture the roles of the women and men are still well defined. Western women are usually too far gone barbie style, or veering towards drunken dykes...

Asian men are worse than the French for mistresses... ;)



Who wants a white woman anyway? Fun bags are overrated...
 Quoting: BuggedOut


White men who say they think Asian women are hot are nothing more than closet pedophiles and homosexuals who are trying to find an acceptable alternative to their sick fantasies.

You need a good shrink and to accept that you are gay.
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lol, you sound like a jealous white cow. Asian women are more respectable, don't do half the crazy shit white women do, and they always try to look nice. Family is still important in Korea and Japan. Unlike the west, where the chances of divorce after marriage is extremely high which destroys the family.
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Asian men are hard working,honest,law abiding and better looking than black,still white women like black men more ???
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Why are Asian men always trying to seek out a white chick? I don't understand it. White chicks are whores and insane and Asian women are awesome.
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No thanks, I'll pass, every time
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Re: why white women dont like asian men
This is nothing to do with external look.it is the attitude.
white women like indians.Indians like white women.I mean south asians.It is for the sex.But south asians men dont like to marry white women.it is because of the cultural reasons.Indians do not like to marry blacks(.Both men and women).I know this is for sure.May be they are not attractive as whites.But women born to mixed parents (mixed up with whites and blacks) are the best women I have ever seen.I feel asians,whites and blacks should mixed up and create a new nation.black women are not attractive externaly.But they are very good in sex.you may not get good sex satisfaction from a beautiful woman or man.
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Re: why white women dont like asian men
Media propaganda. Western women has been stereotypically programmed to see you guys as asexual kung fu nuts or raping triad maniacs and romanticly inept nerds etc... However the programming breaks down during a zombie apocalypse. [link to images.wikia.com]
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Media propaganda. Western women has been stereotypically programmed to see you guys as asexual kung fu nuts or raping triad maniacs and romanticly inept nerds etc... However the programming breaks down during a zombie apocalypse. [link to images.wikia.com]
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Instead of waiting for a zombie apocalypse, you could move to Bali and whore yourself.
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Asian men are hard working,honest,law abiding and better looking than black,still white women like black men more ???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16473248


It is not true that white women like black men more than Asian men.

This idea is being put forwards by the anti white Judaic controlled main stream media.

It is a lie.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23386635

Don't hate, It is true, in america the idea man for white women is tall dark and handsome means. A redneck? Lol You see in america whenever there's a LEVEL playing field on the job and not rigged by whites supremist, blacks dominate it and all the women? This is why rednecks and white supremist rigged the system in their favor, and hire mostly white women, or black women, to keep the Black men out. Because when it comes to women Black men rule.

That's because naturally BLACK MEN SHINE over ALL OTHER MEN AND ALL WOMEN FLOCK TO US NATURALLY. Black men are the most physically diserable men on earth, while white redneck men are seen as johns, simps, and tricks! A poor black man can fuck the same white women that it takes a white guy with a porche or bentley to fuck.

This is why REDNECKS AND WHITE SUPREMIST controlled media work full time to dirty up the black man image as bad, in america! They have no choice but to do this otherwise in 2 generation 80% of america will be black(brown). In america you have whole cites where mix black white children are becoming the majority, and this is becoming the norm everywhere. That's why on here you have the daily hate of propaganda and jealously against blacks.

In America Asian men are seen as non threating, non physical, short, asexual, introverts 3" dicks robots.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23409855


Most ladies I know (except for a few whores) are repulsed by black men.

You may want to gather some new working info there boss.
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Whatever bubba, your denial of the obvious, will be the end of rednecks like you. Just go to any walmart, or a mall on the weekend, all you will see are balding bubbas like you with fat cows, or you'll see half the white women with mixed black white children.


You see white men ran to the suburbs to keep missy away from the white supremist white male media creation of the psuedo fictional big bad black boogey man during the 80's and 90's... but during the late 90's and 2000's blacks left the cities also, and moved to suburbs as well, but as white supremist white males was preparing to move missy away from his media creation of the black boogeyman the economy crashed stopping his bank funded foolishness.

So since white supremist bubba can't afford to run anymore, blacks and whites are stuck living together in the same cities, and neighborhoods, so bubba's real motive for moving and came true.... that white women would see that the white supremist male, media image of blacks males in the media is white supremist propaganda and bullshit.

So as the result you now have, hard working, family centered, respectable Black Men and White women fucking each other like there's no tomorrow, and marrying each other. Lol even some good hearted non racist white boys are dipping their stick in the sweet hot chocolate and caramel.... Lol, so this what you call an EPIC FAIL by rednecks and white supremist.

At this rate world wide white supremacy WILL BE DEAD BY MID CENTURY!
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Media propaganda. Western women has been stereotypically programmed to see you guys as asexual kung fu nuts or raping triad maniacs and romanticly inept nerds etc... However the programming breaks down during a zombie apocalypse. [link to images.wikia.com]
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Instead of waiting for a zombie apocalypse, you could move to Bali and whore yourself.
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there you go, white women DO like asian men..

anyway, asian men seems like they feel abit insecure now, maybe because they dont feel like small outsiders anymore and wonder what the world think about them.

Well i'll tell you what i think. Give it 20 more years and asians will own our asses because they havent degenerated like the we have. Even if asians arent known to have the biggest dicks, they will be known to have the biggest wallets and biggest brains.

Asians will get further with those attributes than a big dick in the long run.
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Why would an Asian man want some no good born insecure jock jawed white trailer trash whore ?
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Why would an Asian man want some no good born insecure jock jawed white trailer trash whore ?
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LOL
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It is not true that white women like black men more than Asian men.

This idea is being put forwards by the anti white Judaic controlled main stream media.

It is a lie.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23386635

Don't hate, It is true, in america the idea man for white women is tall dark and handsome means. A redneck? Lol You see in america whenever there's a LEVEL playing field on the job and not rigged by whites supremist, blacks dominate it and all the women? This is why rednecks and white supremist rigged the system in their favor, and hire mostly white women, or black women, to keep the Black men out. Because when it comes to women Black men rule.

That's because naturally BLACK MEN SHINE over ALL OTHER MEN AND ALL WOMEN FLOCK TO US NATURALLY. Black men are the most physically diserable men on earth, while white redneck men are seen as johns, simps, and tricks! A poor black man can fuck the same white women that it takes a white guy with a porche or bentley to fuck.

This is why REDNECKS AND WHITE SUPREMIST controlled media work full time to dirty up the black man image as bad, in america! They have no choice but to do this otherwise in 2 generation 80% of america will be black(brown). In america you have whole cites where mix black white children are becoming the majority, and this is becoming the norm everywhere. That's why on here you have the daily hate of propaganda and jealously against blacks.

In America Asian men are seen as non threating, non physical, short, asexual, introverts 3" dicks robots.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23409855


Most ladies I know (except for a few whores) are repulsed by black men.

You may want to gather some new working info there boss.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16151153


Whatever bubba, your denial of the obvious, will be the end of rednecks like you. Just go to any walmart, or a mall on the weekend, all you will see are balding bubbas like you with fat cows, or you'll see half the white women with mixed black white children.


You see white men ran to the suburbs to keep missy away from the white supremist white male media creation of the psuedo fictional big bad black boogey man during the 80's and 90's... but during the late 90's and 2000's blacks left the cities also, and moved to suburbs as well, but as white supremist white males was preparing to move missy away from his media creation of the black boogeyman the economy crashed stopping his bank funded foolishness.

So since white supremist bubba can't afford to run anymore, blacks and whites are stuck living together in the same cities, and neighborhoods, so bubba's real motive for moving and came true.... that white women would see that the white supremist male, media image of blacks males in the media is white supremist propaganda and bullshit.

So as the result you now have, hard working, family centered, respectable Black Men and White women fucking each other like there's no tomorrow, and marrying each other. Lol even some good hearted non racist white boys are dipping their stick in the sweet hot chocolate and caramel.... Lol, so this what you call an EPIC FAIL by rednecks and white supremist.

At this rate world wide white supremacy WILL BE DEAD BY MID CENTURY!
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^^^^^This!
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It is not true that white women like black men more than Asian men.

This idea is being put forwards by the anti white Judaic controlled main stream media.

It is a lie.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23386635

Don't hate, It is true, in america the idea man for white women is tall dark and handsome means. A redneck? Lol You see in america whenever there's a LEVEL playing field on the job and not rigged by whites supremist, blacks dominate it and all the women? This is why rednecks and white supremist rigged the system in their favor, and hire mostly white women, or black women, to keep the Black men out. Because when it comes to women Black men rule.

That's because naturally BLACK MEN SHINE over ALL OTHER MEN AND ALL WOMEN FLOCK TO US NATURALLY. Black men are the most physically diserable men on earth, while white redneck men are seen as johns, simps, and tricks! A poor black man can fuck the same white women that it takes a white guy with a porche or bentley to fuck.

This is why REDNECKS AND WHITE SUPREMIST controlled media work full time to dirty up the black man image as bad, in america! They have no choice but to do this otherwise in 2 generation 80% of america will be black(brown). In america you have whole cites where mix black white children are becoming the majority, and this is becoming the norm everywhere. That's why on here you have the daily hate of propaganda and jealously against blacks.

In America Asian men are seen as non threating, non physical, short, asexual, introverts 3" dicks robots.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23409855


Most ladies I know (except for a few whores) are repulsed by black men.

You may want to gather some new working info there boss.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16151153


Whatever bubba, your denial of the obvious, will be the end of rednecks like you. Just go to any walmart, or a mall on the weekend, all you will see are balding bubbas like you with fat cows, or you'll see half the white women with mixed black white children.


You see white men ran to the suburbs to keep missy away from the white supremist white male media creation of the psuedo fictional big bad black boogey man during the 80's and 90's... but during the late 90's and 2000's blacks left the cities also, and moved to suburbs as well, but as white supremist white males was preparing to move missy away from his media creation of the black boogeyman the economy crashed stopping his bank funded foolishness.

So since white supremist bubba can't afford to run anymore, blacks and whites are stuck living together in the same cities, and neighborhoods, so bubba's real motive for moving and came true.... that white women would see that the white supremist male, media image of blacks males in the media is white supremist propaganda and bullshit.

So as the result you now have, hard working, family centered, respectable Black Men and White women fucking each other like there's no tomorrow, and marrying each other. Lol even some good hearted non racist white boys are dipping their stick in the sweet hot chocolate and caramel.... Lol, so this what you call an EPIC FAIL by rednecks and white supremist.

At this rate world wide white supremacy WILL BE DEAD BY MID CENTURY!
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Hey I am glad to hear black men are so proud of their race that they can't stop fucking women of another race, guess you can't wait to lighten yourself out of your own misery don't you?
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Why would an Asian man want some no good born insecure jock jawed white trailer trash whore ?
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Re: why white women dont like asian men
EVERYbody loves white women.. every colour...

but white women only like white men... along with a few hispanics/ or other brown skinned and a few blacks and even more few asisans


white people are the prettiest let's face it..
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The Scandinavian races are the apex of human evolution, if all the world was populated merely by that race earth would be a paradise.
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So what you are saying is that if the world was 100% WHITE it would be a paradise?
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Well let's say that if Scandinavians while being left by their own means created some of the most desirable societies on earth (now being destroyed by mass darkie immigration) then I guess that if Scandinavians would populate the entire earth by themselves that would create the same mass effect.

Not all white people are the same though, there's a lot of mixture in Britain, southern and eastern Europe etc. Scandinavians seem to have remained quite pure and thus they have better overall traits, both physical and spiritual. They are the latest update to the human species and if this world was smarter they would create an eugenics program to further the spread of the Scandinavian race instead of other less gifted races, specially the darker ones who can't seem to stop fucking breeding while not producing anything remotely proportional to their numbers.
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Re: why white women dont like asian men
if the man has money, women will go after it.

look what happened to tiger woods.
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Oh but they do!

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