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So we have our candidates for President and VP, if the election were today?...who would you vote for.

 
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Can someone tell me what President that is running is going to:


1) Reign in Corruption on Wall Street
2) Reign in Corruption in the Government
3) End Lobbying
4) End the Offensive Wars and reduce to Defense Spending Only.
5) End the police state, Kill the TSA, DHS etc and restore the rights and freedoms to America.
6) End the Failed Drug Wars that are costing us billions of tax dollars with no end in sight.
7) Get rid of Corporate Welfare.
8) Get rid of NAFTA, WTO etc


All these points are centered around Personal Responsibility

If you can't make it without the Government using my tax dollars to prop you up, you don't deserve to exist.
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for those who havent done the homework.
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...and whomever said SHR has a low IQ is just an idiot themselves. He and I disagree on the direction the country should take, but that doesnt make him an idiot. Im sure he loves this country every bit as much as I do, and as a blue dog myself, I see the validity to many of his points. At least he and I take the time to argue actual problems and the difference in our solutions to them. We believe that we can fix the problems in our country. We dont give up and blame some shadowy cabal for all the problems in the world. Yes, there is a cabal and yes they have a vision for the world that most of us here disagree with. However, they are not bogeymen, they are out in the open. To believe they control everything and cant be defeated, is forfeiting the game to them. So I say kudos to SHR for being so passionate, just as I am for the other side. Its people like he and I that will save our nation. While you watch from mommy's basement.
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Get your tongue out of his arsehole... that was me... grow a pair and do one
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Re: So we have our candidates for President and VP, if the election were today?...who would you vote for.
put the pipe down man.

Oh that's right - better to vote Obozo and get on the side of an ILLEGAL prez who took us into an Afghanistan war, ILLEGALLY, I might add.

WERE U IN OSAMA'S CAVE WHEN 9/11 HAPPENED AND BUSH CARPET BOMBED THE SHIT OUT OF EVERY ROCK HE COULD FIND OVER THEIR.. MAKING SURE TO MISS ANY INNOCENT POPPY FIELD? LOL
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Congress declared war on Afghanistan on 9-18-2001, under GWB. Therefore, it isnt Obama's war, and it isnt illegal.
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silly, congress hasn't DECLARED WAR since ww2. they would NEVER want to take away the war powers act that they granted the prez in the 70's and added to ever since by 'declaring war' .. after all, they've been doing there best to build up the imperial presidency since b4 Eisenhower warned us of the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX WIELDING GREAT POWER OVER US... i guess he was a paid member of godlikeproductions too.. and clearly despite being the head of allied powers in europe, dwight must of been a sick, sick man. lol and paranoid.
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Public Law #107-40 of September 18, 2001 authorized offensive military operations to combat terrorism. That included operations in Afghanistan. Public Law #107-243 of October 2002 authorized offensive military operations against Iraq. Those operations began on March 19, 2003.

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authorization is not a declaration. BY LAW (yes words have meanings believe it or not) BY LAW A DECLARATION OF WAR means you HAVE TO FIGHT UNTIL YOU WIN. NO CHOICE. BY LAW YOU THE ARMY CANNOT LEAVE UNTIL THEY WIN.

an authorization of force means when their done protecting the opium fields and set up a puppet gov't allowing them to build oil pipelines through the country, they can leave.
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Re: So we have our candidates for President and VP, if the election were today?...who would you vote for.
Hope you're all smart enough to realize that the only way to rid yourselves of Obama is to vote for Romney/Ryan.
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Very true! I'll hold my nose & do it.

But we'd better also form a strong 3rd party in the next four years to avoid always having to vote for lessor of two evils. The other party options besides Repub & Dem all seem too extreme in one way or another

How about a Centrist party, haha.
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Exactly!

If the Media is putting out Obama and Romney as the only TWO choices, whom are also donated to the most by Wall Street and Mega Corps, out of a country of 300 MILLION people, then I know not to choose either one of these criminal scumbags!


It's incredible how you let yourself be tought/brainwashed that there's only two options.

You cry about FoxNews and MSNBC being narrow minded.

Then you go out smiling and vote one of the two candidates laid infront of you by the very same institutions, when there would be a host of other possibilities for you.
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this poll needs to be redone with only Obama/Romney

you know those pesky voting boots will add all indi votes to the Pres anyway

INDIPENDENT PARTIES NO LONGER COUNT!

if they did you would see MSM coverage of RNC, DNC & INC
so that lolitta lequanda trailerpark Jackson knows who is running. You would see Gary Johnson participating in the "BIG DEBATE" in OCT

the VOICE has been silenced people
there is not enough $$ for it this time around
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this poll needs to be redone with
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SHR, please enlighten me how Libertarian policy is one that would most likely lead to domestic/foreign wars, thanks.
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Well lets see now...you remove if not all federal laws..so lets pick a few "New legal" things...kidnapping, Prosititution...hell child prositution...all hard drugs...so that's a few things just on the domestic side...how do you think just those few minor changes will work out as far as domestic traquility goes?...Oh and BTW?...chuck in fully automatic weapons, explosives like hand grenades etc etc now all being also legal...how do you think just those few minor changes will work out as far as domestic traquility goes?

Now on the foriegn policy side...we end all military, diplomatic "meddling"..all aid...everything...and we usher in a new age of "International harmony"...ROFL><.....Really?....Have the Libertarians actually checked out the "world" lately?...it's a pretty fucked up and uber violent place...that barely is holding together without a load of crazy fucktards blowing each other up...and the main reason that it is barely holding together at all?...is because WE are holding it together...

Seriously grow the fuck up...the reason that Libertarian Policy fails is because it replies on you and your BFF MoonBeam from myspace being the ONLY two people on earth...and even then...you'd probably end up killing each other...It totally dismisses nature and the harsh reality is that there would be an assload of evil, violent badass muther fuckers stomping the guts out of you and your bonghit time with MoonBeam....and that would just be the start of "Happy days"....it's get worse from there real fast...
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You really don't believe what you just wrote right?

Did you stumble onto Libertarianism yesterday?

Limited government is not lawless society. The propaganda from the idiots make it appear that way because all they know is extremism.

The rest of your post is exactly what I expected: unintelligible bullshit not worthy of debate.

Go figure, another fear mongering douche.
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It's too bad you Americans don't have a guy in the middle of both parties like I think we have in Canada.

And I really do think/believe PM Harper is that!!!! And that's why he won and Canada is doing ok today.

Of course the extreme left and extreme right bitch but the majority of us obviously get this up north. Just sayin....
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Give and take people, give and take. Quit being so stubborn, it won't help you as a whole.

Honestly, I think Romney is like Harper deep down except for the pressure of your politics during an election. My gut feeling anyways.
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Re: So we have our candidates for President and VP, if the election were today?...who would you vote for.
this poll needs to be redone with only Obama/Romney

you know those pesky voting boots will add all indi votes to the Pres anyway

INDIPENDENT PARTIES NO LONGER COUNT!

if they did you would see MSM coverage of RNC, DNC & INC
so that lolitta lequanda trailerpark Jackson knows who is running. You would see Gary Johnson participating in the "BIG DEBATE" in OCT

the VOICE has been silenced people
there is not enough $$ for it this time around
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No. The poll needs to be redone with NONE OF THE ABOVE as an option
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I bet you $10 bucks you won't get an answer.
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saved American Motors! woohoo! Ended useless illegal wars, created jobs to name a few, Now what has Gov. Romney accomplished?
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American motors huh....pretty sure it was the "Pacer" that saved them.....Just what useless illegal wars have ended and just how ARE the ones we are still in...assuming you call them "wars"....actually "illegal"? Did we not get the poper "War Permit" or something?...How many jobs has Obama actually "created" vs how many he is directly responsible for losing?
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How many jobs has any president actually created SHR? Please explain to me what influence, if any, the president has over the private economy? By what executive authority will Romney create jobs in the free market?

You are correct on one point. Both Iraq and Afghanistan, were legitimately declared wars by congress. So I dont understand what makes them illegal either. Poor judgement in the case of Iraq, but not illegal.
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A president has TONS of authority...he appoints the heads of virtually all regulating agencies...you really think that regulating either some avenue of business into or out of existance doesn't affect the private economy?...

Take a minor and single example such as CAFE standards...

There is no such thing as an "Illegal war"...we also have not had a declared "War" since WWII....people just parrot what they hear when they attempt to argue against something they do not like and many times they just repeat something that is wrong because they don't bother to look deeper that the surface...or cannot grasp anything beyond the surface.

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saved American Motors! woohoo! Ended useless illegal wars, created jobs to name a few, Now what has Gov. Romney accomplished?
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American motors huh....pretty sure it was the "Pacer" that saved them.....Just what useless illegal wars have ended and just how ARE the ones we are still in...assuming you call them "wars"....actually "illegal"? Did we not get the poper "War Permit" or something?...How many jobs has Obama actually "created" vs how many he is directly responsible for losing?
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How many jobs has any president actually created SHR? Please explain to me what influence, if any, the president has over the private economy? By what executive authority will Romney create jobs in the free market?

You are correct on one point. Both Iraq and Afghanistan, were legitimately declared wars by congress. So I dont understand what makes them illegal either. Poor judgement in the case of Iraq, but not illegal.
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A president has TONS of authority...he appoints the heads of virtually all regulating agencies...you really think that regulating either some avenue of business into or out of existance doesn't affect the private economy?...

Take a minor and single example such as CAFE standards...

There is no such thing as an "Illegal war"...we also have not had a declared "War" since WWII....people just parrot what they hear when they attempt to argue against something they do not like and many times they just repeat something that is wrong because they don't bother to look deeper that the surface...or cannot grasp anything beyond the surface.
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goodnight...hugs
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for those interested, well at least in california.

you have the option to Not vote for anyone & leave it blank when it comes to political candidates, judges etc. you can vote on the propositions and your vote is still valid/counted...or thats what i witness. Not sure behind the scenes.
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SHR, please enlighten me how Libertarian policy is one that would most likely lead to domestic/foreign wars, thanks.
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Well lets see now...you remove if not all federal laws..so lets pick a few "New legal" things...kidnapping, Prosititution...hell child prositution...all hard drugs...so that's a few things just on the domestic side...how do you think just those few minor changes will work out as far as domestic traquility goes?...Oh and BTW?...chuck in fully automatic weapons, explosives like hand grenades etc etc now all being also legal...how do you think just those few minor changes will work out as far as domestic traquility goes?

Now on the foriegn policy side...we end all military, diplomatic "meddling"..all aid...everything...and we usher in a new age of "International harmony"...ROFL><.....Really?....Have the Libertarians actually checked out the "world" lately?...it's a pretty fucked up and uber violent place...that barely is holding together without a load of crazy fucktards blowing each other up...and the main reason that it is barely holding together at all?...is because WE are holding it together...

Seriously grow the fuck up...the reason that Libertarian Policy fails is because it replies on you and your BFF MoonBeam from myspace being the ONLY two people on earth...and even then...you'd probably end up killing each other...It totally dismisses nature and the harsh reality is that there would be an assload of evil, violent badass muther fuckers stomping the guts out of you and your bonghit time with MoonBeam....and that would just be the start of "Happy days"....it's get worse from there real fast...
 Quoting: SHR


You really don't believe what you just wrote right?

Did you stumble onto Libertarianism yesterday?

Limited government is not lawless society. The propaganda from the idiots make it appear that way because all they know is extremism.

The rest of your post is exactly what I expected: unintelligible bullshit not worthy of debate.

Go figure, another fear mongering douche.
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Why don't you read it and tell me where I am wrong then...

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...and whomever said SHR has a low IQ is just an idiot themselves. He and I disagree on the direction the country should take, but that doesnt make him an idiot. Im sure he loves this country every bit as much as I do, and as a blue dog myself, I see the validity to many of his points. At least he and I take the time to argue actual problems and the difference in our solutions to them. We believe that we can fix the problems in our country. We dont give up and blame some shadowy cabal for all the problems in the world. Yes, there is a cabal and yes they have a vision for the world that most of us here disagree with. However, they are not bogeymen, they are out in the open. To believe they control everything and cant be defeated, is forfeiting the game to them. So I say kudos to SHR for being so passionate, just as I am for the other side. Its people like he and I that will save our nation. While you watch from mommy's basement.
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Sadly....that is what many of them will do...watch and bitch...nothing more...

We can disagree and hopefully argue out some points and make our cases...then I'll have to bomb you or sumthin us "MAD RIGHT WINGERS!" do....ROFL!!!!!...;)
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I am curious if you believe in Personal Responsibility, Morals and Ethics?

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so if the president and congress direct our armed forces to attack, invade, overthrow, and occupy a sovereign nation, who by ALL regards isn't posing a direct threat to the united states, this is 'legal'? The rationale for invading Iraq was 'weapons of mass destruction can be used against us via 'terrorists' from Iraq'. No weapons of mass destruction were found. You do realize the US is a signatory on international doctrines that clearly state what an illegal (war of aggression) is.. don't u?
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...and whomever said SHR has a low IQ is just an idiot themselves. He and I disagree on the direction the country should take, but that doesnt make him an idiot. Im sure he loves this country every bit as much as I do, and as a blue dog myself, I see the validity to many of his points. At least he and I take the time to argue actual problems and the difference in our solutions to them. We believe that we can fix the problems in our country. We dont give up and blame some shadowy cabal for all the problems in the world. Yes, there is a cabal and yes they have a vision for the world that most of us here disagree with. However, they are not bogeymen, they are out in the open. To believe they control everything and cant be defeated, is forfeiting the game to them. So I say kudos to SHR for being so passionate, just as I am for the other side. Its people like he and I that will save our nation. While you watch from mommy's basement.
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Get your tongue out of his arsehole... that was me... grow a pair and do one
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I have no tongue in his ass. Ask him, we argue and debate frequently. In a civilized society, we debate issues, then allow the people to decide.
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...and whomever said SHR has a low IQ is just an idiot themselves. He and I disagree on the direction the country should take, but that doesnt make him an idiot. Im sure he loves this country every bit as much as I do, and as a blue dog myself, I see the validity to many of his points. At least he and I take the time to argue actual problems and the difference in our solutions to them. We believe that we can fix the problems in our country. We dont give up and blame some shadowy cabal for all the problems in the world. Yes, there is a cabal and yes they have a vision for the world that most of us here disagree with. However, they are not bogeymen, they are out in the open. To believe they control everything and cant be defeated, is forfeiting the game to them. So I say kudos to SHR for being so passionate, just as I am for the other side. Its people like he and I that will save our nation. While you watch from mommy's basement.
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Sadly....that is what many of them will do...watch and bitch...nothing more...

We can disagree and hopefully argue out some points and make our cases...then I'll have to bomb you or sumthin us "MAD RIGHT WINGERS!" do....ROFL!!!!!...;)
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lol...true. Then Ill have to pack a bong and sing camp fire songs with you, like us loony libs do.
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Besides SHR has the coolest avatar on GLP.
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I am curious if you believe in Personal Responsibility, Morals and Ethics?

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Of course...but this country and the world are not made up solely of people that think like I and possibly you do.

That is why Libertarianism as any Utopian ideology fails in real life real world application....it's nice to dream...but more people will wake up screaming from a nightmare than any utopians can ever admit to...

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If you don't put a stop to this fucking nonsense, as in elect someone other than (R) or (D) then you're the only ones to blame for the coming FEMA Camp shit and all the drone goodies they have planned for you.

How you can not see that the only way to shake things up is elect "someone else" that TPTB isn't ready for?
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Gotta go with Mitt, since I'm in Nevada and he needs help here to win the state. Otherwise, I'd go with Gary.
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Wtf does this mean? Makes no sense
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so if the president and congress direct our armed forces to attack, invade, overthrow, and occupy a sovereign nation, who by ALL regards isn't posing a direct threat to the united states, this is 'legal'? The rationale for invading Iraq was 'weapons of mass destruction can be used against us via 'terrorists' from Iraq'. No weapons of mass destruction were found. You do realize the US is a signatory on international doctrines that clearly state what an illegal (war of aggression) is.. don't u?
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I guess you didnt read the "war powers act" as I suggested. Or the fact that congress did authorize force against Iraq. The president, in the state of emergency, may act alone and send troops anywhere in the world for 60 days, allowing a 30 day window to remove the troops. Without congressional authority. Following that 60 day window, the president must have congressional authority to continue.

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Now show me in this where it says that a declared war must be won. The constitution also gives congress the authority to make treaties. Which flies in the face of your argument entirely.
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Just a straight up poll..if the Presidential election were today?...who would you vote for?...

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I VOTE FOR SHR.
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so how many times have mods voted for Mitt?
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Just a straight up poll..if the Presidential election were today?...who would you vote for?...

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I VOTE FOR SHR.
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Me too. If he will add me to the ticket instead of, "mini SHR clone". Talk about a bipartisan administration.
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easy to see how on a national level, the Libertarians could give Obama the Presidency. Sickening.
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If you don't put a stop to this fucking nonsense, as in elect someone other than (R) or (D) then you're the only ones to blame for the coming FEMA Camp shit and all the drone goodies they have planned for you.

How you can not see that the only way to shake things up is elect "someone else" that TPTB isn't ready for?
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like.. American Hitler? Newt gingrich couldn't even get on all 50 states ballots... and he's nwo all the way. how is anyone who is loyal to the american people's interests supposed to ever get on the ballot, let alone get elected, and stay alive long enough to actually restore our sovereignty and liberty?

ONE THING I CAN BET MY DICK ON is when you finally turn your TV on and you see a man saying all the things you dreamed of hearing... he will be American Hitler. write it down...
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