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So we have our candidates for President and VP, if the election were today?...who would you vote for.

 
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I originally wanted Ron Paul because he was so adamantly against gays but now I'm liking Romney more and more.
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If you don't put a stop to this fucking nonsense, as in elect someone other than (R) or (D) then you're the only ones to blame for the coming FEMA Camp shit and all the drone goodies they have planned for you.

How you can not see that the only way to shake things up is elect "someone else" that TPTB isn't ready for?
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like.. American Hitler? Newt gingrich couldn't even get on all 50 states ballots... and he's nwo all the way. how is anyone who is loyal to the american people's interests supposed to ever get on the ballot, let alone get elected, and stay alive long enough to actually restore our sovereignty and liberty?

ONE THING I CAN BET MY DICK ON is when you finally turn your TV on and you see a man saying all the things you dreamed of hearing... he will be American Hitler. write it down...
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There is that Gary Johnson guy who you could choose and change the system. You wouldn't choose him because you agree with him on everything, but because you would like to see the lobbying take a step back with the corruption.

Why wouldn't you?
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If you don't put a stop to this fucking nonsense, as in elect someone other than (R) or (D) then you're the only ones to blame for the coming FEMA Camp shit and all the drone goodies they have planned for you.

How you can not see that the only way to shake things up is elect "someone else" that TPTB isn't ready for?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23117725


like.. American Hitler? Newt gingrich couldn't even get on all 50 states ballots... and he's nwo all the way. how is anyone who is loyal to the american people's interests supposed to ever get on the ballot, let alone get elected, and stay alive long enough to actually restore our sovereignty and liberty?

ONE THING I CAN BET MY DICK ON is when you finally turn your TV on and you see a man saying all the things you dreamed of hearing... he will be American Hitler. write it down...
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My god, I think you came to the wrong site. Loud mouth megaphone guy awaits, and he needs money so dont make him wait too long.
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so if the president and congress direct our armed forces to attack, invade, overthrow, and occupy a sovereign nation, who by ALL regards isn't posing a direct threat to the united states, this is 'legal'? The rationale for invading Iraq was 'weapons of mass destruction can be used against us via 'terrorists' from Iraq'. No weapons of mass destruction were found. You do realize the US is a signatory on international doctrines that clearly state what an illegal (war of aggression) is.. don't u?
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Actually the reason was that Iraq was in violation of UNSC resolutions. They did also possess several hundred tons of Yellow cake uranium which was later sold, removed/flown to Canada. The real reason though?....Saddamn was shooting at our planes in the no fly zone for years, was offereing money to various terrorist type douchbags and generally being a pain in the ass. Another UN resolution after the invasion did recognize the US and the UK as legitimate occupying powers under international law...but really all that is semantics and not much else.

I thought at the time that it was a good idea to remove Saddam and his psychosons from...life...but the not having a plan in place to just plain takeover the running of the country and doing this "govt democracy 101" training and hand holding program was a mistake IMO...live and learn I suppose...

If you are not prepared to anhilate a country into a smoking cat litter box and kill as many thousands or millions of people that is required to destroy command and control of an enemy state for the next 100 years?...then don't go to war...or deploy the military as the case may be...

The military is not a meals on wheels or educational out reach encounter group...they kill people and break things...that's what they do..if you don't have the stomach for that?....then send the bluehat retards in there to get in touch with peoples feelings or whatever...
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...and whomever said SHR has a low IQ is just an idiot themselves. He and I disagree on the direction the country should take, but that doesnt make him an idiot. Im sure he loves this country every bit as much as I do, and as a blue dog myself, I see the validity to many of his points. At least he and I take the time to argue actual problems and the difference in our solutions to them. We believe that we can fix the problems in our country. We dont give up and blame some shadowy cabal for all the problems in the world. Yes, there is a cabal and yes they have a vision for the world that most of us here disagree with. However, they are not bogeymen, they are out in the open. To believe they control everything and cant be defeated, is forfeiting the game to them. So I say kudos to SHR for being so passionate, just as I am for the other side. Its people like he and I that will save our nation. While you watch from mommy's basement.
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Sadly....that is what many of them will do...watch and bitch...nothing more...

We can disagree and hopefully argue out some points and make our cases...then I'll have to bomb you or sumthin us "MAD RIGHT WINGERS!" do....ROFL!!!!!...;)
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lol...true. Then Ill have to pack a bong and sing camp fire songs with you, like us loony libs do.
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If you promie to leave the patchouli oil at home?...I'll promise not bring any gun that has "MAGNUM" in it's name...
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I bet SHR and GLP get paid for all the responses from this poll and thread...
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I will NEVER vote and be a part of this horse and pony show again!!!!!!
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I want Romney & Ryan. A massive 20 year depression will build character and teach people basic values.
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...and whomever said SHR has a low IQ is just an idiot themselves. He and I disagree on the direction the country should take, but that doesnt make him an idiot. Im sure he loves this country every bit as much as I do, and as a blue dog myself, I see the validity to many of his points. At least he and I take the time to argue actual problems and the difference in our solutions to them. We believe that we can fix the problems in our country. We dont give up and blame some shadowy cabal for all the problems in the world. Yes, there is a cabal and yes they have a vision for the world that most of us here disagree with. However, they are not bogeymen, they are out in the open. To believe they control everything and cant be defeated, is forfeiting the game to them. So I say kudos to SHR for being so passionate, just as I am for the other side. Its people like he and I that will save our nation. While you watch from mommy's basement.
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Sadly....that is what many of them will do...watch and bitch...nothing more...

We can disagree and hopefully argue out some points and make our cases...then I'll have to bomb you or sumthin us "MAD RIGHT WINGERS!" do....ROFL!!!!!...;)
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lol...true. Then Ill have to pack a bong and sing camp fire songs with you, like us loony libs do.
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If you promie to leave the patchouli oil at home?...I'll promise not bring any gun that has "MAGNUM" in it's name...
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lol. Youve got a deal. See, we can find common ground. Now if we could just convince the nitwits in DC to do the same and do some good....
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You're a racist if you vote for Obama
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well that's about as lame as "it is Bush's fault"
believe what you will, both are occult members and blaming anyone for any reason is as logical as "it is Bush's fault"
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It was sarcasm Bozo
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This is true.
Your having admitted that though opens up a can of worms.


Everyone is fighting for their best interests, not just in other countries, but here in America as well.

We need to come to an agreement that we need protections from those that have no morals, ethics or personal responsibility.

We do that by having a defensive military for outside threats, and judicial system for inside threats, but the problem today, is the judicial system only represents the interests of the few rich elite.


So, people need to realize the top elite are the enemy of this country and need to fight them and fight for their best interests in order to maintain a balance.

Because, otherwise, these elite will take over everything, since it is in their interest to do so.

The socialists, fascists, oligarch's of this country is not the small and medium sized business of America, are the people of America but the Multi- National Corporations and Banks that control our government on the outside via lobbyists, or on the inside by going into politics to help their cronies out.


These people at the top are Financial Terrorists.




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Of course...but this country and the world are not made up solely of people that think like I and possibly you do.

That is why Libertarianism as any Utopian ideology fails in real life real world application....it's nice to dream...but more people will wake up screaming from a nightmare than any utopians can ever admit to...

I am a realist.
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It's a corrupt system, and I will no longer be a "Party" to it.
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so how many times have mods voted for Mitt?
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I only voted once...any mod can vote for whomever they want to and I'm sure that not all voted for Mitt...contrary to popular belief we do not manipulate the polls or do any of the neferious bullshit a lot of you think we do...the forum code will not allow it...Trinity doesn't want any of that bullshit..neither do I for that matter...hell we cannot even edit a thread without a time stamp being put on it...and that is the way we want it.
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You're all going to vote one of them two, aren't you?


You fucking idiots.
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"These people at the top are Financial Terrorists."

That's an accurate statement.
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I love when people post a link, which they clearly haven't read themselves.

Reding comprehension is not a strong suit of American culture.
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so how many times have mods voted for Mitt?
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I only voted once...any mod can vote for whomever they want to and I'm sure that not all voted for Mitt...contrary to popular belief we do not manipulate the polls or do any of the neferious bullshit a lot of you think we do...the forum code will not allow it...Trinity doesn't want any of that bullshit..neither do I for that matter...hell we cannot even edit a thread without a time stamp being put on it...and that is the way we want it.
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My apologies SHR. First of all, who cares? Its a GLP poll, not Gallup. Second of all, I just love that there are conspiracies about the conspiracy site. Ive found the mods here to be fair and honest about their opinions. But most importantly, again, this is a GLP poll. Not the November ballot box, so lighten up.
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I want Romney & Ryan. A massive 20 year depression will build character and teach people basic values.
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the people who survive...
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SHR, explain where in this paragraph there is implication of a lawless society:

Government exists to protect the rights of every individual including life, liberty and property.  Criminal laws should be limited to violation of the rights of others through force or fraud, or deliberate actions that place others involuntarily at significant risk of harm. Individuals retain the right to voluntarily assume risk of harm to themselves. We support restitution to the victim to the fullest degree possible at the expense of the criminal or the negligent wrongdoer. We oppose reduction of constitutional safeguards of the rights of the criminally accused. The rights of due process, a speedy trial, legal counsel, trial by jury, and the legal presumption of innocence until proven guilty, must not be denied. We assert the common-law right of juries to judge not only the facts but also the justice of the law.
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I love when people post a link, which they clearly haven't read themselves.

Reding comprehension is not a strong suit of American culture.
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Apparently neither is spelling in your school district. Could you please provide the link of which you speak? Hell, even a little context would be nice.
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If you don't put a stop to this fucking nonsense, as in elect someone other than (R) or (D) then you're the only ones to blame for the coming FEMA Camp shit and all the drone goodies they have planned for you.

How you can not see that the only way to shake things up is elect "someone else" that TPTB isn't ready for?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23117725


like.. American Hitler? Newt gingrich couldn't even get on all 50 states ballots... and he's nwo all the way. how is anyone who is loyal to the american people's interests supposed to ever get on the ballot, let alone get elected, and stay alive long enough to actually restore our sovereignty and liberty?

ONE THING I CAN BET MY DICK ON is when you finally turn your TV on and you see a man saying all the things you dreamed of hearing... he will be American Hitler. write it down...
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There's the writing on the wall. I'll bet your dick you are right. LOL
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so if the president and congress direct our armed forces to attack, invade, overthrow, and occupy a sovereign nation, who by ALL regards isn't posing a direct threat to the united states, this is 'legal'? The rationale for invading Iraq was 'weapons of mass destruction can be used against us via 'terrorists' from Iraq'. No weapons of mass destruction were found. You do realize the US is a signatory on international doctrines that clearly state what an illegal (war of aggression) is.. don't u?
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Actually the reason was that Iraq was in violation of UNSC resolutions. They did also possess several hundred tons of Yellow cake uranium which was later sold, removed/flown to Canada. The real reason though?....Saddamn was shooting at our planes in the no fly zone for years, was offereing money to various terrorist type douchbags and generally being a pain in the ass. Another UN resolution after the invasion did recognize the US and the UK as legitimate occupying powers under international law...but really all that is semantics and not much else.

I thought at the time that it was a good idea to remove Saddam and his psychosons from...life...but the not having a plan in place to just plain takeover the running of the country and doing this "govt democracy 101" training and hand holding program was a mistake IMO...live and learn I suppose...

If you are not prepared to anhilate a country into a smoking cat litter box and kill as many thousands or millions of people that is required to destroy command and control of an enemy state for the next 100 years?...then don't go to war...or deploy the military as the case may be...

The military is not a meals on wheels or educational out reach encounter group...they kill people and break things...that's what they do..if you don't have the stomach for that?....then send the bluehat retards in there to get in touch with peoples feelings or whatever...
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huh blink scratching
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On Thursday, in his acceptance speech delivered at the US Republican Party convention, presidential candidate Mitt Romney vowed to toughen Washington’s stance on Russia if he makes it to the White House.

“Under my administration, our friends will see more loyalty, and Mr. Putin will see a little less flexibility and more backbone,”
Romney stated.

More wars! Go Romney go!
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SHR, explain where in this paragraph there is implication of a lawless society:

Government exists to protect the rights of every individual including life, liberty and property.  Criminal laws should be limited to violation of the rights of others through force or fraud, or deliberate actions that place others involuntarily at significant risk of harm. Individuals retain the right to voluntarily assume risk of harm to themselves. We support restitution to the victim to the fullest degree possible at the expense of the criminal or the negligent wrongdoer. We oppose reduction of constitutional safeguards of the rights of the criminally accused. The rights of due process, a speedy trial, legal counsel, trial by jury, and the legal presumption of innocence until proven guilty, must not be denied. We assert the common-law right of juries to judge not only the facts but also the justice of the law.
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I like that. Looks like you covered it. Which "Party" subscribes to this policy?
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On Thursday, in his acceptance speech delivered at the US Republican Party convention, presidential candidate Mitt Romney vowed to toughen Washington’s stance on Russia if he makes it to the White House.

“Under my administration, our friends will see more loyalty, and Mr. Putin will see a little less flexibility and more backbone,”
Romney stated.

More wars! Go Romney go!
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If you believe that, I have some Ocean front property in Kentucky ill sell you. That was a way for him to do what he has done this entire process. Make people nostalgic for Reagan, and then compare himself to Reagan. No moran wants a nuclear war.
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I originally wanted Ron Paul because he was so adamantly against gays but now I'm liking Romney more and more.
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lol turn off mark levin

he doesn't care about gay's and think's they should be allowed to do what they please.

this is from his website about gay marriage.

In a 2007 interview, Paul said that he supported the right of gay couples to marry, so long as they didn't "impose" their relationship on anyone else, on the grounds of supporting voluntary associations.[139] He also said, "Matter of fact, I'd like to see all governments out of the marriage question. I don't think it's a state function, I think it's a religious function." Paul has stated that in a best case scenario, governments would enforce contracts and grant divorces but otherwise have no say in marriage.[140] He has also said he doesn't want to interfere in the free association of two individuals in a social, sexual, and religious sense.[141][142] When asked if he was supportive of gay marriage, Paul responded, "I am supportive of all voluntary associations and people can call it whatever they want."
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On Thursday, in his acceptance speech delivered at the US Republican Party convention, presidential candidate Mitt Romney vowed to toughen Washington’s stance on Russia if he makes it to the White House.

“Under my administration, our friends will see more loyalty, and Mr. Putin will see a little less flexibility and more backbone,”
Romney stated.

More wars! Go Romney go!
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So all of Hillary's kicking Putin in the shins hasn't been enough.

We put anti missiles on Russia's border, is Romney going to put some inside Russia and start a cold war?
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so if the president and congress direct our armed forces to attack, invade, overthrow, and occupy a sovereign nation, who by ALL regards isn't posing a direct threat to the united states, this is 'legal'? The rationale for invading Iraq was 'weapons of mass destruction can be used against us via 'terrorists' from Iraq'. No weapons of mass destruction were found. You do realize the US is a signatory on international doctrines that clearly state what an illegal (war of aggression) is.. don't u?
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Actually the reason was that Iraq was in violation of UNSC resolutions. They did also possess several hundred tons of Yellow cake uranium which was later sold, removed/flown to Canada. The real reason though?....Saddamn was shooting at our planes in the no fly zone for years, was offereing money to various terrorist type douchbags and generally being a pain in the ass. Another UN resolution after the invasion did recognize the US and the UK as legitimate occupying powers under international law...but really all that is semantics and not much else.

I thought at the time that it was a good idea to remove Saddam and his psychosons from...life...but the not having a plan in place to just plain takeover the running of the country and doing this "govt democracy 101" training and hand holding program was a mistake IMO...live and learn I suppose...

If you are not prepared to anhilate a country into a smoking cat litter box and kill as many thousands or millions of people that is required to destroy command and control of an enemy state for the next 100 years?...then don't go to war...or deploy the military as the case may be...

The military is not a meals on wheels or educational out reach encounter group...they kill people and break things...that's what they do..if you don't have the stomach for that?....then send the bluehat retards in there to get in touch with peoples feelings or whatever...
 Quoting: SHR


huh blink scratching
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Dont understand what you are confused about. Im what most people call a liberal, even though if Im a Dem, its a blue dog. I supported the war in Iraq initially also, even though I was well aware of the problems that SHR only later came to realize. So in a way that makes me worst than him. But he is correct, the military is not UNICEF or the Peace Corps. When we send them into harms way, it should be to accomplish a clear military objective. Not to implement government, or administer law and order. Thats not their purpose, and using them for that purpose puts American lives in danger.
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Voting here for Jill Stein since you don't have Sub-commandante Bobo of the Baboon Liberation Army on your poll.
free your inner baboon.
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