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I hope you won't be offended by my observations brother, because you and your gifts are vital in the body of Christ -
You have/can do all these things:

I Cor.13
Though I speak, though I have a gift, though I understand, though I know, though I have faith, though I give, though I feed...


You come across:

as a sounding brass or a tinkling cymbal a lot of times.

Maybe because:

You don't show love

These are some of the more personally applicable characteristics out of the list:

is patient long, is kind, vaunteth not itself, isn't puffed up, isn't easily provoked, doesn't jump to think evil intentions of another, bears all things, endures all things

I'm genuinely pointing these things out in love, for your betterment, and so the lost won't be repelled by your harshness and impatience at times but instead will be drawn to christ through him shining through you.

I know you would do the same for any of your brothers/sisters here.

Love in Christ,

happyheart
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I hope you won't be offended by my observations brother, because you and your gifts are vital in the body of Christ -
You have/can do all these things:

I Cor.13
Though I speak, though I have a gift, though I understand, though I know, though I have faith, though I give, though I feed...


You come across:

as a sounding brass or a tinkling cymbal a lot of times.

Maybe because:

You don't show love

These are some of the more personally applicable characteristics out of the list:

is patient long, is kind, vaunteth not itself, isn't puffed up, isn't easily provoked, doesn't jump to think evil intentions of another, bears all things, endures all things

I'm genuinely pointing these things out in love, for your betterment, and so the lost won't be repelled by your harshness and impatience at times but instead will be drawn to christ through him shining through you.

I know you would do the same for any of your brothers/sisters here.

Love in Christ,

happyheart
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You didn't say who your comment is directed to. But I don't see anything harsh or unloving. If you refer to my rebuke of the troll, remember that a good shepherd must be an extremist: gentle to the lambs but very harsh to the wolves. "There is a time for everything", and the arrival of a wolf is not the time for acceptance or tolerance.

Jesus and Paul could easily be "guilty" under your standards, and as our examples they cannot be made into a special class above what they themselves taught. Since they did act strongly against those who would scatter the flock, then too must any shepherd that follows them. To invite in the wolves is to show no love at all to the church.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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From [link to sacredsandwich.com] , a few samples of what people today would likely have said to the apostle Paul in the first century:

How arrogant of Mr. Apostle to think he has the right to judge these people and label them accursed. Isnít that Godís job? Regardless of this circumcision issue, these Galatians believe in Jesus just as much as he does, and it is very Pharisaical to condemn them just because they differ on such a secondary issue. Personally, I donít want a sharp instrument anywhere near my zipper, but that doesnít give me the right to judge how someone else follows Christ. Canít we just focus on our common commitment to Christ and furthering His kingdom, instead of tearing down fellow believers over petty doctrinal matters?

Iíve seen other dubious articles by Paul Apostle in the past, and frankly Iím surprised you felt that his recurrent criticisms of the Church deserved to be printed in your magazine. Mr. Apostle for many years now has had a penchant for thinking he has a right to ďmarkĒ certain Christian teachers who donít agree with his biblical position. Certainly I commend him for desiring to stay faithful to Godís word, but I think he errs in being so dogmatic about his views to the point where he feels free to openly attack his brethren. His attitude makes it difficult to fully unify the Church, and gives credence to the oppositionís view that Christians are judgmental, arrogant people who never show Godís love.

ADDED FOR CLARIFICATION: To those who don't understand SATIRE, these are MOCK (HYPOTHETICAL) COMMENTS that illustrate how people today WOULD HAVE treated the apostle Paul according to how they treat believers today. They say we cannot ever be harsh with wolves, so they also condemn Paul and Jesus. I SINCERELY hope this is clear now!

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if you pray to god thinking he could throw you in hell and toture you eternally then it is not the true god you pray to but another god.dont be decieved by accounting his discusting ways to the true father,the lover of your soul.a true father disciplines and corrects those he loves,this is what the suffering of the trib is all about.the suffering during the trib is to correct those who thought they knew him but indeed did not.on earth during this time there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. the fundamental principles of christianity have been infiltrated by the devil.he teaches grace and not the law,which is infact spitting in jesus face by saying that through his sacrafice he allows us to not follow the commandments.we follow the commandments because obidience is pleasing to the lord,we are saved by grace and the law.wake up to the love of the father and dont be mislead by the harlot,which is the church.
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Your heart is in a good place and I strongly agree with you regarding the bolded.

hf
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Yes, and I also agree with the last sentence that I bolded.
"For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light."
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Everyone please remember the topic, and especially this statement: "So please, no rants or list of grievances against God or Christians here; there are plenty of other threads for that."

I realize you believe you're not doing this, but this is my personal opinion being stated and nothing more, so turning it into a debate about who is a real Christian or is deluded or whatever is off-topic. Questions about why I believe as I do are welcome.
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OP, I pray that many will read and understand your post. So true, it doesn't matter how much we prep if we don't have faith, love and assurance that we belong to the LORD.
If you break my wings, I will just find a cloud and learn to fly again. The Lord will catch you when you fall or teach you to fly! May the footprints I leave lead you to BELIEVE.
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Jesus answered them, "Has it not been written in your Law, 'I SAID, YOU ARE GODS '?John 10:34


I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.'Psalm 82:6


Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is in the within you. Luke 17:21

Even though Jesus was God's Son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered. Hebrews 5:8

Mark 10:18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.
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OP, I pray that many will read and understand your post. So true, it doesn't matter how much we prep if we don't have faith, love and assurance that we belong to the LORD.
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That's my hope too. I think the time is almost up now, the last "number of Gentiles" is coming in (Rom. 11:25). The faster we get the gospel out, the sooner we go home!
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I have to address an AC's slander in her own thread. I banned her from this one for trolling, so in her thread she lifts my quotation of a SATIRE showing how people today would have treated the apostle Paul, since they forbid "harsh" words. Here is the slander:

Uh oh, what can you do? I am banned once again from
speaking in the Protestant threads. They won't
discuss the faith, they are closed.

I thought GLP was a discussion forum? I typed my
response to help and hit post...Banned...

Here it is.

From [link to sacredsandwich.com] , a few samples of what people today would likely have said to the apostle Paul in the first century:

How arrogant of Mr. Apostle to think he has the right to judge these people and label them accursed. Isnít that Godís job? Regardless of this circumcision issue, these Galatians believe in Jesus just as much as he does, and it is very Pharisaical to condemn them just because they differ on such a secondary issue. Personally, I donít want a sharp instrument anywhere near my zipper, but that doesnít give me the right to judge how someone else follows Christ. Canít we just focus on our common commitment to Christ and furthering His kingdom, instead of tearing down fellow believers over petty doctrinal matters?

Iíve seen other dubious articles by Paul Apostle in the past, and frankly Iím surprised you felt that his recurrent criticisms of the Church deserved to be printed in your magazine. Mr. Apostle for many years now has had a penchant for thinking he has a right to ďmarkĒ certain Christian teachers who donít agree with his biblical position. Certainly I commend him for desiring to stay faithful to Godís word, but I think he errs in being so dogmatic about his views to the point where he feels free to openly attack his brethren. His attitude makes it difficult to fully unify the Church, and gives credence to the oppositionís view that Christians are judgmental, arrogant people who never show Godís love.
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OP (Keep2theCode),

Don't you see your objection to Paul, saying he is wrong means your profession of "Bible Alone" as your lone authority is wrong too! The Bible is inerrant. Sola Scriptura, from Martin Luther is the big fat lie.

The Epistles, the letters are a help, a building up of the
faith, singular, to the first Christians. They are corrections for anyone falling away from Apostolic teachings.

Paul reminds the first Christians in 1 Cor 11:27, unless you discern it is the "body" of Our Lord in the Eucharist, you bring judgment on yourself. Pretty serious brother. Do not ignore that verse. An early reference to the Eucharist is "breaking bread."
 Quoting: slanderer

Sacred Sandwich's "comments" are pure satire, meaning NOT SERIOUSLY INTENDED BUT ACTUALLY SAYING THE OPPOSITE. The slandering AC thinks I actually took those as serious and agreed with them!

FOR THE RECORD, I fully support the entire Bible as it has been for centuries, without the Apocrypha (which means "of doubtful origin"). Paul is a bona fide apostle of Jesus Christ. My point, so BADLY MISSED, was that when people tell Christians they can never strongly refute or chase off wolves, they would have to also reject Paul and Jesus.

And this slanderer wonders why she gets banned!

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The hour has already come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. Romans 13:11

And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. Matthew 10:22

Wake up, oh sleeper, and rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you
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Great thread OP thanks for taking the time and your thoughtful determination to get the truth out hf
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Great thread OP thanks for taking the time and your thoughtful determination to get the truth out hf
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Thank you!hf
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OP, dont forget the commandments and the sin.

Dont forget the baptism: immersion in water.

You must be reborn in Christ through immersion in water. It can be sometime after you accepted him and repented from your sins.

At the same time, it doesnt matter if you believe and accept Jesus, but ignore the commandments and keep sinning and doing the things that God dont like.

And besides the ten commandments, there are other things like what you think, dealing with the dead/occult/spirits, using drugs/medicine... I forgot the rest :D
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So, even if there is no commandment saying "Do not be an hypocrite!", through the whole interpretation of the Bible, its there.

Lots of things are necessary to "walk the way".

The least you can say is that its very hard in the beggining. You are like "wait a minute, does it mean I cant masturbate all the time while watching porn?" and then you think "wow, but thats my standard of living"...

Yeah, hard stuff.
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OP, dont forget the commandments and the sin.

Dont forget the baptism: immersion in water.

You must be reborn in Christ through immersion in water. It can be sometime after you accepted him and repented from your sins.

At the same time, it doesnt matter if you believe and accept Jesus, but ignore the commandments and keep sinning and doing the things that God dont like.

And besides the ten commandments, there are other things like what you think, dealing with the dead/occult/spirits, using drugs/medicine... I forgot the rest :D
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26683900


Immersion in water does nothing but serve as a public expression of commitment. Peter spoke of the contrast between that which merely washes dirt from the body and that which cleanses the spirit. Paul also made several indications that this rite was not part of the gospel and something he was happy he hadn't done to many people. Even John the Baptist said that what he was doing was to be but a shadow of what was to come: the baptism of fire, meaning the Holy Spirit indwelling a person at the moment of belief. Even in Acts, the Spirit came sometimes before baptism and sometimes after, clearly indicating its irrelevance to salvation.

I've also stated many times in these threads that salvation, being a reconciliation with God, means no longer living in a way that grieves or ignores God. As Paul said, "We died to sin; how can we keep living in it?"

But the Ten Commandments were strictly for the nation of Israel. As the writer of Hebrews states clearly in chapter 7, with a change of priesthood comes a change of law. As Jesus said in the parable of the wineskins, you cannot mix old and new. As Paul said, the law was a custodian, a shadow, but the reality is Christ. And as John said, our new law is simply to love God and others, which Paul summed up as "Love does no harm to its neighbor, therefore love is the fulfillment of the law". Even James, who some think taught salvation by works (I disagree), said that the law was "a burden neither we nor our ancestors could bear", such that Gentiles would not need to practice Judaism to be saved.

Jesus set us free from legalism and from sin. He set us free from "dead works", rituals, temples, and regulations. "Where two or three gather in [His] name" and "neither here nor there but in spirit and truth", living in close relationship with Jesus, is how to practice Christianity. Our righteousness does not come from ourselves but only in Jesus.
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OP, dont forget the commandments and the sin.

Dont forget the baptism: immersion in water.

You must be reborn in Christ through immersion in water. It can be sometime after you accepted him and repented from your sins.

At the same time, it doesnt matter if you believe and accept Jesus, but ignore the commandments and keep sinning and doing the things that God dont like.

And besides the ten commandments, there are other things like what you think, dealing with the dead/occult/spirits, using drugs/medicine... I forgot the rest :D
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26683900


Immersion in water does nothing but serve as a public expression of commitment. Peter spoke of the contrast between that which merely washes dirt from the body and that which cleanses the spirit. Paul also made several indications that this rite was not part of the gospel and something he was happy he hadn't done to many people. Even John the Baptist said that what he was doing was to be but a shadow of what was to come: the baptism of fire, meaning the Holy Spirit indwelling a person at the moment of belief. Even in Acts, the Spirit came sometimes before baptism and sometimes after, clearly indicating its irrelevance to salvation.

I've also stated many times in these threads that salvation, being a reconciliation with God, means no longer living in a way that grieves or ignores God. As Paul said, "We died to sin; how can we keep living in it?"

But the Ten Commandments were strictly for the nation of Israel. As the writer of Hebrews states clearly in chapter 7, with a change of priesthood comes a change of law. As Jesus said in the parable of the wineskins, you cannot mix old and new. As Paul said, the law was a custodian, a shadow, but the reality is Christ. And as John said, our new law is simply to love God and others, which Paul summed up as "Love does no harm to its neighbor, therefore love is the fulfillment of the law". Even James, who some think taught salvation by works (I disagree), said that the law was "a burden neither we nor our ancestors could bear", such that Gentiles would not need to practice Judaism to be saved.

Jesus set us free from legalism and from sin. He set us free from "dead works", rituals, temples, and regulations. "Where two or three gather in [His] name" and "neither here nor there but in spirit and truth", living in close relationship with Jesus, is how to practice Christianity. Our righteousness does not come from ourselves but only in Jesus.
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Thanks Op, Very well put! nailed to the cross steps away from death two sinner along side Jesus, one just had to believe Jesus, was the son of God! no water needed and he was saved the other well not so good.
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See my blog about Lord Sebaot, Our God

[link to lordsebaot.wordpress.com]
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OP, dont forget the commandments and the sin.

Dont forget the baptism: immersion in water.

You must be reborn in Christ through immersion in water. It can be sometime after you accepted him and repented from your sins.

At the same time, it doesnt matter if you believe and accept Jesus, but ignore the commandments and keep sinning and doing the things that God dont like.

And besides the ten commandments, there are other things like what you think, dealing with the dead/occult/spirits, using drugs/medicine... I forgot the rest :D
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26683900


Immersion in water does nothing but serve as a public expression of commitment. Peter spoke of the contrast between that which merely washes dirt from the body and that which cleanses the spirit. Paul also made several indications that this rite was not part of the gospel and something he was happy he hadn't done to many people. Even John the Baptist said that what he was doing was to be but a shadow of what was to come: the baptism of fire, meaning the Holy Spirit indwelling a person at the moment of belief. Even in Acts, the Spirit came sometimes before baptism and sometimes after, clearly indicating its irrelevance to salvation.

I've also stated many times in these threads that salvation, being a reconciliation with God, means no longer living in a way that grieves or ignores God. As Paul said, "We died to sin; how can we keep living in it?"

But the Ten Commandments were strictly for the nation of Israel. As the writer of Hebrews states clearly in chapter 7, with a change of priesthood comes a change of law. As Jesus said in the parable of the wineskins, you cannot mix old and new. As Paul said, the law was a custodian, a shadow, but the reality is Christ. And as John said, our new law is simply to love God and others, which Paul summed up as "Love does no harm to its neighbor, therefore love is the fulfillment of the law". Even James, who some think taught salvation by works (I disagree), said that the law was "a burden neither we nor our ancestors could bear", such that Gentiles would not need to practice Judaism to be saved.

Jesus set us free from legalism and from sin. He set us free from "dead works", rituals, temples, and regulations. "Where two or three gather in [His] name" and "neither here nor there but in spirit and truth", living in close relationship with Jesus, is how to practice Christianity. Our righteousness does not come from ourselves but only in Jesus.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Thanks Op, Very well put! nailed to the cross steps away from death two sinner along side Jesus, one just had to believe Jesus, was the son of God! no water needed and he was saved the other well not so good.
 Quoting: Chef.


hf
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Here are some prophecies from the book of Isaiah that Yeshua/Jesus fulfilled to the T. This is something people shouldn't ignore, if the Bible really does prove Jesus to be the Messiah, wouldn't you like to know?

[link to www.agapebiblestudy.com]

Here's one from the prophet Micah about the Messiah being born in Bethlehem for starters.
Micah 5:2
"But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times. "
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Any topic ideas?


I love my husband so deeply that I worry it may be a sin. Is Jesus a jealous God? I wanted to be a nun as a child but I found out I wasnt Catholic. I am serious@: this interpheres with my prayers sometimes. Is it ok to give all of youtself to your spouse? What do you think happens to that relationship in heaven?
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I love my husband so deeply that I worry it may be a sin. Is Jesus a jealous God? I wanted to be a nun as a child but I found out I wasnt Catholic. I am serious@: this interpheres with my prayers sometimes. Is it ok to give all of youtself to your spouse? What do you think happens to that relationship in heaven?
 Quoting: LoriRNC 44050623


Really off-topic here, but...

You can love a person as much as you want, just as long as you wouldn't renounce Jesus for them. Don't idolize people; they will always disappoint you.

Jesus said that marital unions will not continue in heaven, but we will know and be at peace with everyone. This hardly means you won't love the people you knew here on earth.

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I hope you keep teaching here.

May the Lord Jesus Christ keep you in His holy peace.
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I hope you keep teaching here.

May the Lord Jesus Christ keep you in His holy peace.
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hf

Hope I can find one more "green" before the b4n hammer falls...
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of all the things i learned in spirituality is self respect and humility that is the most important thing.

telling others that there is only one branch in the divine tree is totally ludicrous.

Jesus is as good as any ascended masters.. so please for the sake of respect and humility don't impose your doctrine on others.


If we didn't had darkness to make light look good we would not be interested to go into the light...because that light is still more of the same about darkness...it's the other side of duality...beyond the duality there is LOVE.

Love is not dark or light it's not even tied to those clans.

You have nothing to proove to love, you don't even have to make a choice! Love exist even in darkness...So please religious people stop pretending to be with god and silently calling everyone who don't agree with you a bunch of sinners.

First of born sinner = Born of Chaos.. and this is not a bad thing.

Chaos = matter (dark)
Order = spirit (light)
G = God = (love) neither light or dark and both at the same time. Balance is the key.

matter exist in spirit as much as spirit exist in matter...Love is the consciousness that create the spirit, which is of pure love and is far above that pitiful duality.
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of all the things i learned in spirituality is self respect and humility that is the most important thing.

telling others that there is only one branch in the divine tree is totally ludicrous.
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... unless there really is only one branch in the divine tree. There is nothing arrogant in standing on one's convictions or expressing one's honest beliefs. It would only be arrogant if I claimed divinity or omniscience myself. In fact, I find it arrogant to presume... and judge... that everyone MUST believe there are many paths to God.


Jesus is as good as any ascended masters.. so please for the sake of respect and humility don't impose your doctrine on others.
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Jesus is the only one who rose physically from the dead. Why are YOU trying to impose YOUR doctrine on me?


So please religious people stop pretending to be with god and silently calling everyone who don't agree with you a bunch of sinners.
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You, too, are "religious people"; you too "pretend to be with god and silently call everyone who doesn't agree with you a bunch of sinners". Otherwise you wouldn't be wagging your finger at me right now.


Look up "double standard".
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No expert here but along with the OP's otherwise good advice there may be a requirement to confess sins, make amendment either through prayer or other and pledge to try and not sin again.
Fear God and Dread Nought.
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No expert here but along with the OP's otherwise good advice there may be a requirement to confess sins, make amendment either through prayer or other and pledge to try and not sin again.
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hf
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So if I believe in reincarnation I'm doomed?
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So if I believe in reincarnation I'm doomed?
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Salvation is by faith in the risen Jesus to reconcile you to God. Nothing more, nothing less.

Reincarnation can't be true if the above statement is true, so your fate is completely up to you. The choice is Jesus or not.
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