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ATF gun seizure for ALL 'suspected' drug abusers---without being charged or convicted of a crime

 
ladyannie2009
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ATF gun seizure for ALL 'suspected' drug abusers---without being charged or convicted of a crime
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The Obama administration is making it easier for bureaucrats to take away guns without offering the accused any realistic due process. In a final rule published last week, the Justice Department granted the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) authority to “seize and administratively forfeit property involved in controlled-substance abuses.” That means government can grab firearms and other property from someone who has never been convicted or even charged with any crime.

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Re: ATF gun seizure for ALL 'suspected' drug abusers---without being charged or convicted of a crime
Apparantly it's a 'pilot program' and applies even if you've been falsely accused!

Totally un-friggin-believeable


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As part of a one-year trial run, the Department of Justice has granted the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives the power to “to seize and administratively forfeit property allegedly involved in controlled substance offenses,” which is almost tantamount to saying that on the mere suspicion that one is doing something illegal, the ATF can snatch one’s firearms and property.

The Washington Times, among other publications, have explained the implications of this new DoJ decree:

It’s a dangerous extension of the civil-forfeiture doctrine, a surreal legal fiction in which the seized property — not a person — is put on trial. This allows prosecutors to dispense with pesky constitutional rights, which conveniently don’t apply to inanimate objects. In this looking-glass world, the owner is effectively guilty until proved innocent and has the burden of proving otherwise. Anyone falsely accused will never see his property again unless he succeeds in an expensive uphill legal battle.

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Re: ATF gun seizure for ALL 'suspected' drug abusers---without being charged or convicted of a crime
Well I aint no College educated type , but that there just sounds like a direct violation of the constitution.
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Re: ATF gun seizure for ALL 'suspected' drug abusers---without being charged or convicted of a crime
This is how you start a revolution!
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Re: ATF gun seizure for ALL 'suspected' drug abusers---without being charged or convicted of a crime
Well I aint no College educated type , but that there just sounds like a direct violation of the constitution.
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Re: ATF gun seizure for ALL 'suspected' drug abusers---without being charged or convicted of a crime
civil asset forfeiture has been going on for years and it's a huge invitation to corruption - it encourages agencies to target people who have property worth seizing for themselves, their agencies and their cronies.

This was happening in Minnesota, properties would be seized and disposed of at less than market value to their insider friends, long before any trial was held.

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