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Were Italians really spawned by uh..."Moors?"

 
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I'm Italian, Op.

We are from the Romans.

It was Leonardo Leccaculo who invented the Italian language in 464AD,
prior this date every Roman spoke officially Latin.

He wrote it up then convinced many to drop Latin for his language with the promise that he would erase the Emperor's taxes when he took over Rome (Italy). The Roman Empire became infuriatingly divided by 466AD between Flavius Ricimer loyalists and the Leccaculo's, and later fought the great battle of "Faccia di Cazzo" in 469AD lasting well over 2yrs.

The Loyalist's won when Leonardo was killed in a freak accident while rallying for more supporters at Piazza Senza Fica in Provincia delPello on March 15th 472AD. His supporters gave up on the battle but not the fight for ending the Empire's taxes by continuing to speak Italian in protest. The new language was an act of independence by Rome's citizens and contagious that by 475AD everyone was speaking the language "Lecca Leo" as it was first named except for those few still loyal to the Empire.

The new language brought upon the Fall of the Roman Empire by 476AD and was renamed "Italian" during the transition of the new Republic. Existing emperor Romulus Augustulus managed to make good on his way out by emptying the coffers of Rome's 1st National bank and The 2nd National bank, leaving the new Republic of Italy's central Bank coin-less. Italy went into panic, implemented austerity measures by ending many new projects started by the old Empire such as the Roman Colosseum but did not cut pays for the thousands of Public officials and workers although borrowed heavily by minting new coin's indebting themselves until this day - and why they are the most indebted European country today.

Library of Vatican city.
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La battaglia di faccia di cazzo? la piazza senza fica? lol... no one gets it. bravo
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Re: Were Italians really spawned by uh..."Moors?"
Miss Italy, Sicilian...

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I don't like her legs very much...

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Re: Were Italians really spawned by uh..."Moors?"
Maybe Othello was written because of careful observation.
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Re: Were Italians really spawned by uh..."Moors?"
Depends on the part of Italy, northern Italians are pretty much French/swiss.
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My mother's family are Italian from northern Italy, and they mostly look Germananic

My aunt looked like Virna Lisi

Countries on trading routes like the Mediterranean or on ancient routes like the Spice Road often have a wide variety of hair, eye and skin color

Whatever the source, Italians are very attractive people, so the mix is working for them ...think of Sophia Loren, Gina Lollobrigida, Caterina Murino, Valentina Cervi... Alyssa Milano

just sayin
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Italian women mostly are reverse butterflies.

Butterflies until 30 ... then they turn to fat maggots called "mama" dwelling in dimly lit apartments, munching away until they die.
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Thats good...
Germanic gals start getting fat in early 20s...
Just sayin
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petite beautiful young things that are an axe handle wide by 40. Some of them have bubble butts too you could set a tray on. Amazing transformation.
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Re: Were Italians really spawned by uh..."Moors?"
Maybe Othello was written because of careful observation.
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Gullible...to say the very least...
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Re: Were Italians really spawned by uh..."Moors?"
Hanibal was a black african. His army invaded Italy in ancient times and many italians are descended from the mixing between Hanibal's black african soldiers and the native italian women.
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Re: Were Italians really spawned by uh..."Moors?"
Hanibal was a black african. His army invaded Italy in ancient times and many italians are descended from the mixing between Hanibal's black african soldiers and the native italian women.
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bsflag

Back to school asap gullible!
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Re: Were Italians really spawned by uh..."Moors?"
Yes
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I am descended from these guys, which is cool. My family is from near Turin. We have a lot of redheads.
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Turin is in the northwest, which is arguably the only region of Italy with a noticeable and apparent Celtic-ethnic presence.
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Re: Were Italians really spawned by uh..."Moors?"
Hanibal was a black african. His army invaded Italy in ancient times and many italians are descended from the mixing between Hanibal's black african soldiers and the native italian women.
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Some of his troops may have been black, as the original inhabitants of Carthage were Berbers and they're pretty damn dark.

Hanibal himself was mostly of Phonecian origin. The Phonecians settled in northern Africa, and eventually broke free of far away Phonecia to form Carthage. But most ethnic Carthaginians were NOT black. The Phonecians from which they were descended came from modern-day Syria/Lebanon area.
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Re: Were Italians really spawned by uh..."Moors?"
Nah they're actually a mix of Indian (dot not feather) and mushroom elf.

Oh and white, obviously.

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Re: Were Italians really spawned by uh..."Moors?"
I'm Italian, Op.

We are from the Romans.
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Not entirely. While modern Italians do have substantial Roman ancestry, they are not fully Roman, there's been admixture since the fall of Rome.

Remember, all roads led to Rome. The City of Rome in the latter days of the Empire was like a lot of cities in the Western World today: filled with non-white people.

This was also apparent southward, as the Italic peninsula jets out into the Mediterranean. Where did all those non-white people go? They eventually intermixed with the ethnic Roman population, and it's very apparent if your travel in Southern Italy and Sicilly today.

Most of those people don't look like ethnic Romans at all, because much of their ancestry comes from migrants from other parts of the Empire.
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Re: Were Italians really spawned by uh..."Moors?"
love this scene


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"You're a cantaloupe!"

You gotta love Christopher Walken. He doesn't say much but his mannerisms just crack you up. Did you notice Tony Soprano in the background? I can't believe how fat he got by the time he did The Sopranos.

By the way, I'm pretty sure that the Moors are Arab. I think I might have a little bit of that myself. I'm just saying.
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Re: Were Italians really spawned by uh..."Moors?"
Hanibal was a black african. His army invaded Italy in ancient times and many italians are descended from the mixing between Hanibal's black african soldiers and the native italian women.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5330330


Some of his troops may have been black, as the original inhabitants of Carthage were Berbers and they're pretty damn dark.

Hanibal himself was mostly of Phonecian origin. The Phonecians settled in northern Africa, and eventually broke free of far away Phonecia to form Carthage. But most ethnic Carthaginians were NOT black. The Phonecians from which they were descended came from modern-day Syria/Lebanon area.
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There are marble carvings of Hannibal that still exist to this day. He looked like Grizzly Adams or Kenny Rogers! Not an african! The roman general Cicero that defeated him was dark brown but had caucasian facial features and was bald.

Afrocentric modern mythology will disappear when government funding dries up.
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Re: Were Italians really spawned by uh..."Moors?"
Hanibal was a black african. His army invaded Italy in ancient times and many italians are descended from the mixing between Hanibal's black african soldiers and the native italian women.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5330330


Some of his troops may have been black, as the original inhabitants of Carthage were Berbers and they're pretty damn dark.

Hanibal himself was mostly of Phonecian origin. The Phonecians settled in northern Africa, and eventually broke free of far away Phonecia to form Carthage. But most ethnic Carthaginians were NOT black. The Phonecians from which they were descended came from modern-day Syria/Lebanon area.
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There are marble carvings of Hannibal that still exist to this day. He looked like Grizzly Adams or Kenny Rogers! Not an african! The roman general Cicero that defeated him was dark brown but had caucasian facial features and was bald.

Afrocentric modern mythology will disappear when government funding dries up.
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Only a damn fool would think that Hannibal was Black. Hannibal was one of the greatest Generals in history. At the time that he lived, Blacks were in the jungles of Africa in tribes and not conquering anything.

I'm so sick of hearing about African this and African that when I know that it is false bullshit made up by liberals. The truth of the matter is that until the Portuguese landed on the coast of Africa in the late 15th century, Blacks had never left Africa. They then proceeded to enslave the Blacks and thus began the slave trade. That would be the first time that Blacks left Africa.
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I just watched True Romance where they tell a story about all Italians being mostly African. Is this true?
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Do you know the definition of the word "spawn?"

Italians weren't spawned by the Moors. What the fuck? They interbred with them though.
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Re: Were Italians really spawned by uh..."Moors?"
There are marble carvings of Hannibal that still exist to this day. He looked like Grizzly Adams or Kenny Rogers! Not an african! The roman general Cicero that defeated him was dark brown but had caucasian facial features and was bald.

Afrocentric modern mythology will disappear when government funding dries up.
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Haha what? Cicero wasn't a general and he didn't defeat Hannibal. What the hell are you talking about?
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This issue is resolved and verified in history. Black-arab and north African genes make up the Iberian peninsula and Italy, and lots of things in and around the Mediterranean.

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Re: Were Italians really spawned by uh..."Moors?"
There are marble carvings of Hannibal that still exist to this day. He looked like Grizzly Adams or Kenny Rogers! Not an african! The roman general Cicero that defeated him was dark brown but had caucasian facial features and was bald.

Afrocentric modern mythology will disappear when government funding dries up.
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Haha what? Cicero wasn't a general and he didn't defeat Hannibal. What the hell are you talking about?
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Sorry drunk on whiskey & high on coke. It was Scipio Africanus which is why africa is a roman province.

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Re: Were Italians really spawned by uh..."Moors?"
You do realize that the Romans and then the Vandals, a Germanic tribe, conquered North Africa? The Moors are largely descended from Germanic tribes.

Does this guy from Tunisia look like an Arab to you?
[link to articles.chicagotribune.com]

They used to be christian until the muslims converted them all by force, raping and pillaging as they went, as usual.
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Re: Were Italians really spawned by uh..."Moors?"
I'm Italian, Op.

We are from the Romans.

It was Leonardo Leccaculo who invented the Italian language in 464AD,
prior this date every Roman spoke officially Latin.

He wrote it up then convinced many to drop Latin for his language with the promise that he would erase the Emperor's taxes when he took over Rome (Italy). The Roman Empire became infuriatingly divided by 466AD between Flavius Ricimer loyalists and the Leccaculo's, and later fought the great battle of "Faccia di Cazzo" in 469AD lasting well over 2yrs.

The Loyalist's won when Leonardo was killed in a freak accident while rallying for more supporters at Piazza Senza Fica in Provincia delPello on March 15th 472AD. His supporters gave up on the battle but not the fight for ending the Empire's taxes by continuing to speak Italian in protest. The new language was an act of independence by Rome's citizens and contagious that by 475AD everyone was speaking the language "Lecca Leo" as it was first named except for those few still loyal to the Empire.

The new language brought upon the Fall of the Roman Empire by 476AD and was renamed "Italian" during the transition of the new Republic. Existing emperor Romulus Augustulus managed to make good on his way out by emptying the coffers of Rome's 1st National bank and The 2nd National bank, leaving the new Republic of Italy's central Bank coin-less. Italy went into panic, implemented austerity measures by ending many new projects started by the old Empire such as the Roman Colosseum but did not cut pays for the thousands of Public officials and workers although borrowed heavily by minting new coin's indebting themselves until this day - and why they are the most indebted European country today.

Library of Vatican city.
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Then Belisarius invaded (liberated?) and whipped everyone's ass.
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Ya know, I read a lot. Especially about things that have to do with history.

I find that shit fascinating.
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Re: Were Italians really spawned by uh..."Moors?"
Hanibal was a black african. His army invaded Italy in ancient times and many italians are descended from the mixing between Hanibal's black african soldiers and the native italian women.
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odanceodanceodanceodanceodance
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Re: Were Italians really spawned by uh..."Moors?"
I just watched True Romance where they tell a story about all Italians being mostly African. Is this true?
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Do you know the definition of the word "spawn?"

Italians weren't spawned by the Moors. What the fuck? They interbred with them though.
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Great point
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Re: Were Italians really spawned by uh..."Moors?"
Southern Italy has berber influence as well as greek, and others.

Some towns still speak griko.

Napoli is a greek word, Nea Poli.

Peoples from greece immigrated to southern italy in numbers.

DNA studies show greek and italian dna very similar, however southern italian tends to have some berber markers not present in greeks.



Southern Italy has an ancestral Greek heritage alongside the Italic one.

Southern Italy was influenced both by the ancient Greeks of Magna Graecia who brought Hellenic culture to Italy, and by the arrival of modern Greeks in the 7th century during the rule of the Byzantine Empire.

Sicilians have a diverse ancestry. After Roman rule, Sicily was conquered by the Ostrogoths, and then by the Byzantines.

However, after Byzantine rule, Sicily was conquered by Arab and Berber peoples, resulting in the introduction of Islam into Sicily.

After the period of Arab rule, the island was conquered by Norman warlords. The Normans brought a new addition to Sicilian ancestry.

By the 12th century, Swabian kings granted immigrants from northern Italy (particularly Piedmont, Lombardy and Liguria), Latium in central Italy, and the south of France settlement into Sicily, re-establishing the Latin element back to Sicily, a legacy which can be seen in the many Gallo-Italic dialects found in the interior and western parts of Sicily, brought by these settlers

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Magna Graecia (Latin meaning "Great Greece", Greek: Μεγάλη Ἑλλάς, Megálē Hellás) is the name of the coastal areas of Southern Italy on the Tarentine Gulf that were extensively colonized by Greek settlers; particularly the Achaean colonies of Tarentum, Croton, and Sybaris, but also, more loosely, the cities of Cumae and Neapolis to the north.

The colonists, who began arriving in the 8th century BC, brought with them their Hellenic civilization, which was to leave a lasting imprint in Italy, particularly on the culture of ancient Rome

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Re: Were Italians really spawned by uh..."Moors?"
when you mix one bunch of Mediterran Caucasoids (Moors) with an other bunch of Mediterran Caucasoids (Southern Italians) You get Mediterran Caucasoids.
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Well, yeah, this basically.
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Re: Were Italians really spawned by uh..."Moors?"
Why don't Italians have kinky hair then? or do they straiten it?
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Re: Were Italians really spawned by uh..."Moors?"
Fuggettaboutit!

Thats why they are called moorlinyans!

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