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Meth/Amphetamine Epidemic mostly Hype?

 
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While legal in the U.S. under brands such as Desoxyn and the commonly-prescribed ADHD medication Adderall (also administered to fighter pilots when prolonged alertness is required), to use it in its "street" form has been vehemently stigmatized as being anti-social to a misleading and perhaps dangerous point. It'd be surprising to find out if people who are prescribed it or are dosing it out to children/patients know just how near-identical their pharmaceutical version is to what the war on drugs has spent so much time/money turning into an "epidemic". Not to underscore its dangerous potential over long-term abuse, but when's the last time you've heard of someone having died of a meth overdose? Especially if you live in Europe or Canada, where ecstasy is usually much more sought-after. With weed/shrooms/ecstasy/speed being available to most anyone with a small circle of friends here in Canada, methamphetamine being sold in its pure crystal form is unheard of. Instead, it is almost exclusively sold on the streets as pills stamped with any logo one could imagine. [link to www.pillreports.com] Yet, for the way these illicit meth pills are being pushed onto the masses here in Canada (where both amphetamine and meth cannot be legally prescribed) and in Europe, no government body from either of its regions have ever cited meth use as coming anywhere close to "epidemic" proportions.

So, what gives in the U.S.? Why have its problem users stemmed from INJECTING (big problem) a poorly synthesized version cooked-up by amateurs in sheds and outhouses nationwide while being cast-out as modern day Lepers in a society that had its heyday when benzedrine inhalers (another name Amph has been marketed under) was sold over-the-counter while its current generation depends on it to get them from kindergarten to completing their college finals?bricks
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Mostly hype? Isn't that like the entire point of stimulants in general? I think it's fair to say it's all hype.
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So why huge amounts end up on the streets?


Nazi Germany...yup.. see in its crystal form it responds to wave form modulation while in the blood stream..little known fact.

a form of control was instigated.... as well as the addictive drug effects as well.

yes hitler was one of the first mind controlled METH FREEKS!!

GODDERDAMRUNG!

so....it also made the person sexually active for building ARMY'S..
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The street drug form is mostly bathtub produced. Bad stuff. Very habit forming destroys lives. and nobody is saying the script is a good thing.
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I cast a death spell upon all makers of this evil drug, "I draw my sword made of the density of pain and plunge it through your fuckin hearts after I have ripped out your eyeballs and shoved them down your throat so you can choke on what you see you have done to many." I picture this every night before I go to sleep. This is my prayer of death to the most evil fuckers spawned. Die fuckers. In my dreams at night I come kill you. Once I have perfected OBE this will happen.
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the meth war creates the using of it more so than the occasional ussage as a tool to progress in our society today
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I've never came across a person high on meth (here in Canada) that doesn't become at least slightly more empathetic while in the throws of their high. Granted, it's the ensuing looooows that can bring out the worst in addicts, though reports of people caught committing crimes while twitching and gacking with their eyes glazed over in the midst of a binge as often reported in the states is a virtual non-occurence here. Illicit drug synthesis is bound to vary greatly between chemists/regions, though the even bigger variables in user effects and behavior between the spans of a certain drug and different drug-using cultures is enough for making a case about possible fundamental differences in the who/what of Meth in the U.S. Idol1
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While legal in the U.S. under brands such as Desoxyn and the commonly-prescribed ADHD medication Adderall (also administered to fighter pilots when prolonged alertness is required), to use it in its "street" form has been vehemently stigmatized as being anti-social to a misleading and perhaps dangerous point. It'd be surprising to find out if people who are prescribed it or are dosing it out to children/patients know just how near-identical their pharmaceutical version is to what the war on drugs has spent so much time/money turning into an "epidemic". Not to underscore its dangerous potential over long-term abuse, but when's the last time you've heard of someone having died of a meth overdose? Especially if you live in Europe or Canada, where ecstasy is usually much more sought-after. With weed/shrooms/ecstasy/speed being available to most anyone with a small circle of friends here in Canada, methamphetamine being sold in its pure crystal form is unheard of. Instead, it is almost exclusively sold on the streets as pills stamped with any logo one could imagine. [link to www.pillreports.com] Yet, for the way these illicit meth pills are being pushed onto the masses here in Canada (where both amphetamine and meth cannot be legally prescribed) and in Europe, no government body from either of its regions have ever cited meth use as coming anywhere close to "epidemic" proportions.

So, what gives in the U.S.? Why have its problem users stemmed from INJECTING (big problem) a poorly synthesized version cooked-up by amateurs in sheds and outhouses nationwide while being cast-out as modern day Lepers in a society that had its heyday when benzedrine inhalers (another name Amph has been marketed under) was sold over-the-counter while its current generation depends on it to get them from kindergarten to completing their college finals?bricks
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I think long and often about this very subject. For instance, the FDA has approved Adderall for four year olds. Let me say that again, FOUR YEAR OLDS. Amphetamines for FOUR YEAR OLD CHILDREN.

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I've never came across a person high on meth (here in Canada) that doesn't become at least slightly more empathetic while in the throws of their high. Granted, it's the ensuing looooows that can bring out the worst in addicts, though reports of people caught committing crimes while twitching and gacking with their eyes glazed over in the midst of a binge as often reported in the states is a virtual non-occurence here. Illicit drug synthesis is bound to vary greatly between chemists/regions, though the even bigger variables in user effects and behavior between the spans of a certain drug and different drug-using cultures is enough for making a case about possible fundamental differences in the who/what of Meth in the U.S. Idol1
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Not sure about meth heads up there but I have had several friends that got hooked on it, it can destroy your life in a matter of months.

First they start spending rent money on more, then they start selling their possessions for more, then they start borrowing money from their friends for more. Then borrowing money from more worrisome sources, then stealing it. It becomes their life, nothing else matters.

I had one friend that was on it and was trying to buy a shelf from me so he could sell it to get more. A shelf, A tiny corner shelf built from two chunks of 2x4. He was convinced he could sell it for enough money to get more meth.

Your teeth get destroyed, you can practically turn into a skeleton.

A person that needs those drugs like adderall and such usually have focusing and energy problems to begin with and the drug brings them up to what doctor's would consider a "normal" level. If taken properly it shouldn't give them the high street users search for. I've known people that take it and they act just fine, they say it doesn't make them feel high at all, just more awake than usual.

The problem with the medicine and why I am against is that if you prescribe it to a lot of people there are always going to be those people that sell the pills, in which case it's just adding more problems to the street drug problem. It doesn't do the exact same thing as meth but it's darn close, keeps you up and active but not nearly as intense as meth,, depending on the quality.


I didn't realize parts of canada were practically meth free as you say, makes me wanna move there =( Can't go a day around here without running into someone that looks like a zombie because of meth.
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While legal in the U.S. under brands such as Desoxyn and the commonly-prescribed ADHD medication Adderall (also administered to fighter pilots when prolonged alertness is required), to use it in its "street" form has been vehemently stigmatized as being anti-social to a misleading and perhaps dangerous point. It'd be surprising to find out if people who are prescribed it or are dosing it out to children/patients know just how near-identical their pharmaceutical version is to what the war on drugs has spent so much time/money turning into an "epidemic". Not to underscore its dangerous potential over long-term abuse, but when's the last time you've heard of someone having died of a meth overdose? Especially if you live in Europe or Canada, where ecstasy is usually much more sought-after. With weed/shrooms/ecstasy/speed being available to most anyone with a small circle of friends here in Canada, methamphetamine being sold in its pure crystal form is unheard of. Instead, it is almost exclusively sold on the streets as pills stamped with any logo one could imagine. [link to www.pillreports.com] Yet, for the way these illicit meth pills are being pushed onto the masses here in Canada (where both amphetamine and meth cannot be legally prescribed) and in Europe, no government body from either of its regions have ever cited meth use as coming anywhere close to "epidemic" proportions.

So, what gives in the U.S.? Why have its problem users stemmed from INJECTING (big problem) a poorly synthesized version cooked-up by amateurs in sheds and outhouses nationwide while being cast-out as modern day Lepers in a society that had its heyday when benzedrine inhalers (another name Amph has been marketed under) was sold over-the-counter while its current generation depends on it to get them from kindergarten to completing their college finals?bricks
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Not indorsing big pharma but for clarification, there is a difference between methamphetamine and amphetamine.
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While legal in the U.S. under brands such as Desoxyn and the commonly-prescribed ADHD medication Adderall (also administered to fighter pilots when prolonged alertness is required), to use it in its "street" form has been vehemently stigmatized as being anti-social to a misleading and perhaps dangerous point. It'd be surprising to find out if people who are prescribed it or are dosing it out to children/patients know just how near-identical their pharmaceutical version is to what the war on drugs has spent so much time/money turning into an "epidemic". Not to underscore its dangerous potential over long-term abuse, but when's the last time you've heard of someone having died of a meth overdose? Especially if you live in Europe or Canada, where ecstasy is usually much more sought-after. With weed/shrooms/ecstasy/speed being available to most anyone with a small circle of friends here in Canada, methamphetamine being sold in its pure crystal form is unheard of. Instead, it is almost exclusively sold on the streets as pills stamped with any logo one could imagine. [link to www.pillreports.com] Yet, for the way these illicit meth pills are being pushed onto the masses here in Canada (where both amphetamine and meth cannot be legally prescribed) and in Europe, no government body from either of its regions have ever cited meth use as coming anywhere close to "epidemic" proportions.

So, what gives in the U.S.? Why have its problem users stemmed from INJECTING (big problem) a poorly synthesized version cooked-up by amateurs in sheds and outhouses nationwide while being cast-out as modern day Lepers in a society that had its heyday when benzedrine inhalers (another name Amph has been marketed under) was sold over-the-counter while its current generation depends on it to get them from kindergarten to completing their college finals?bricks
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Not indorsing big pharma but for clarification, there is a difference between methamphetamine and amphetamine.
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And that is?
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While legal in the U.S. under brands such as Desoxyn and the commonly-prescribed ADHD medication Adderall (also administered to fighter pilots when prolonged alertness is required), to use it in its "street" form has been vehemently stigmatized as being anti-social to a misleading and perhaps dangerous point. It'd be surprising to find out if people who are prescribed it or are dosing it out to children/patients know just how near-identical their pharmaceutical version is to what the war on drugs has spent so much time/money turning into an "epidemic". Not to underscore its dangerous potential over long-term abuse, but when's the last time you've heard of someone having died of a meth overdose? Especially if you live in Europe or Canada, where ecstasy is usually much more sought-after. With weed/shrooms/ecstasy/speed being available to most anyone with a small circle of friends here in Canada, methamphetamine being sold in its pure crystal form is unheard of. Instead, it is almost exclusively sold on the streets as pills stamped with any logo one could imagine. [link to www.pillreports.com] Yet, for the way these illicit meth pills are being pushed onto the masses here in Canada (where both amphetamine and meth cannot be legally prescribed) and in Europe, no government body from either of its regions have ever cited meth use as coming anywhere close to "epidemic" proportions.

So, what gives in the U.S.? Why have its problem users stemmed from INJECTING (big problem) a poorly synthesized version cooked-up by amateurs in sheds and outhouses nationwide while being cast-out as modern day Lepers in a society that had its heyday when benzedrine inhalers (another name Amph has been marketed under) was sold over-the-counter while its current generation depends on it to get them from kindergarten to completing their college finals?bricks
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I'm assuming you live our west or east. I have come across many meth heads in my part of Canada. Just the other day I was commenting to my friend about the number of people tweaking in public.
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While legal in the U.S. under brands such as Desoxyn and the commonly-prescribed ADHD medication Adderall (also administered to fighter pilots when prolonged alertness is required), to use it in its "street" form has been vehemently stigmatized as being anti-social to a misleading and perhaps dangerous point. It'd be surprising to find out if people who are prescribed it or are dosing it out to children/patients know just how near-identical their pharmaceutical version is to what the war on drugs has spent so much time/money turning into an "epidemic". Not to underscore its dangerous potential over long-term abuse, but when's the last time you've heard of someone having died of a meth overdose? Especially if you live in Europe or Canada, where ecstasy is usually much more sought-after. With weed/shrooms/ecstasy/speed being available to most anyone with a small circle of friends here in Canada, methamphetamine being sold in its pure crystal form is unheard of. Instead, it is almost exclusively sold on the streets as pills stamped with any logo one could imagine. [link to www.pillreports.com] Yet, for the way these illicit meth pills are being pushed onto the masses here in Canada (where both amphetamine and meth cannot be legally prescribed) and in Europe, no government body from either of its regions have ever cited meth use as coming anywhere close to "epidemic" proportions.

So, what gives in the U.S.? Why have its problem users stemmed from INJECTING (big problem) a poorly synthesized version cooked-up by amateurs in sheds and outhouses nationwide while being cast-out as modern day Lepers in a society that had its heyday when benzedrine inhalers (another name Amph has been marketed under) was sold over-the-counter while its current generation depends on it to get them from kindergarten to completing their college finals?bricks
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Not indorsing big pharma but for clarification, there is a difference between methamphetamine and amphetamine.
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And that is?
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It wouldn't be a methyl group (that replaces a single molecule) that makes it smoke-able is it?

Do meth, no one cares except your mother. Don't give it to/make children take it for fucks sake.

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"Meth mouth" is a condition that appears due to users physiological and behavioral factors that amphetamines incur, not because of any actual "corrosive" aspects of the chemical compound in itself. Chronic use entails chronic dry mouth, leaving one's teeth prone to the elements without saliva's natural bacterial/PH moderator. It's appetite-supressing effects also make it less likely for users to drink water (or eat satiably in general) which would help the situation all the while leaving users craving for very sugary and acidic drinks once the high wears off. Most speedfreaks I've come to know (who address the issue) have resorted to toting a water bottle with them and swishing their mouth with every sip. Why so many meth users are (seemingly) having problems with their teeth in the U.S. should be at issue, and some simple harm-reduction info could be of great help.
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"Meth mouth" is a condition that appears due to users physiological and behavioral factors that amphetamines incur, not because of any actual "corrosive" aspects of the chemical compound in itself. Chronic use entails chronic dry mouth, leaving one's teeth prone to the elements without saliva's natural bacterial/PH moderator. It's appetite-supressing effects also make it less likely for users to drink water (or eat satiably in general) which would help the situation all the while leaving users craving for very sugary and acidic drinks once the high wears off. Most speedfreaks I've come to know (who address the issue) have resorted to toting a water bottle with them and swishing their mouth with every sip. Why so many meth users are (seemingly) having problems with their teeth in the U.S. should be at issue, and some simple harm-reduction info could be of great help.
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Great. I heard it prevents saliva from entering the root of your teeth. Do meth, no one cares but your mother.
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Not indorsing big pharma but for clarification, there is a difference between methamphetamine and amphetamine.
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I've literally tried hundreds of variants of street meth/amph "speed" pills over many years as well as dextroamphetamine along with Adderall on a few ocassions, and I never would have divided or classed the subjective differences between them as being amph-like or meth-like or ritalin-like, only by whether they were good pills or shitty pills (ie: potent or duds). The only attribute that methamphetamine has over it's non-methyl precursor is that it can be cooked and injected; one would need to have been very peculiar about their prior-use in order to discern one from aother if taken orally.
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Im gonna fill all you ignorant script pill popping uppity junkies in on a little secret. people on meth, or cocaine or any uncontrolled substance would not get so weird if you all would leave them alone and let them do their thing. theyre not hurtin anybody and they would do a lot less if they didnt have to sneak around . if these meth was readily available and easily accessible the user would have no reason to stress and and freak out for fear of running out . This is the problem with drugs and if you dont agree then youre probably an alcoholic "drugs arent a problem until drugs are gone"you ever see a drug user when they are happy and wnt to clean your carpet at 4am? hes that way cuz hes got what his mind needs to make everything ok. You take that little bit of powder away and deprive that same individual and you will have a unhappy soul who just wants to be left alone. Think about that for a minute. Alcohol and prescription kill and hurt so many and the government doesnt care because it generates so much revenue. Its all about money.
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From the article Astral Dreamscape Manipulation by James Bartley

[link to www.whale.to]

Crystal methedrine and crank have a "Sympathetic Resonance" with the reptilians. Have you ever wondered why many cranksters and speed freaks become involved in acts of mayhem and sexual violence? Its because prolonged use of these kinds of amphetamines leads to the user becoming a "Host" for a reptilian entity.

The entity utilizes the host as a vehicle to wreak all kinds of mayhem and sexual violence and deviance upon society. Indeed crystal meth and crank use is the FAST TRACK TO BECOMING HOSTED BY A REPTILIAN ENTITY. Forget about occultic rituals and group meditations at vortex areas. This is the best (or worst) way to become a full on reptilian host. I have spoken to a mental health professional who told me that many people in the state hospital where this person worked were speed freaks who confidentially spoke of "the spirits" that told them to commit their crimes. Many people who use crank have confessed that their sexual desires became more and more deviant as time went on. They began to visit the child pornography sites on the internet or began to mentally sexualize women in a sadomasochistic and bondage and discipline fashion. I will discuss in more detail below how some abductees can be turned into pedophiles by the reptilians but this is a good opportunity to discuss how the reptilians and their alien vassals keep people addicted to certain forms of substance abuse.

Crystal methedrine and crank are some of the most difficult drugs to quit. When an individual is on speed they resonate at a different frequency than they ordinarily would. Excess nervous frenetic energy oozes out of the crank user which is assimilated greedily by any and all reptilians that are present in or out of the visible spectrum. Speed makes people paranoid and easier to manipulate. Some crank users begin to develop deviant sexual thoughts and desires and may begin acting on them. In some cases, crank users have found it well nigh impossible to stay off of the child porno sites on the internet.

Crank users are manipulated into becoming violent and unpredictable thus creating an environment of high drama and tension for the other family members in the household. The wives or girlfriends of crank users who have become hosted have described how they suddenly realized that the individual they were living with "was not the same man I married." This comes up so often that it cannot be ascribed merely to some kind of hundredth monkey effect. More like a hundredth reptilian host effect. The woman will notice that her crankster boyfriend or husband has developed extremely deviant sexual desires which he wants to try on "his" mate. "He's not the same man I married." No doubt.

When the speed user decides to quit using the drug, that's when the astral dreamscape manipulation kicks in that is tailor made to keep him on crank or crystal meth. There really is no need to elaborate on it suffice to say that they ensure that the user in the dreamscape is always in a situation where the drug is being used by himself and others or he is always in possession of the drug. Whether he's sitting in a dreamscape parking lot, theater, park or classroom, the former user will always find that he has his drug of choice in his possession. Pretty soon the crank user begins using again in "the real world" and the whole miserable cycle begins anew.
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Before Japan became nearly Drug-Free they had huge Problems
with all this Meth-Drugs (Drugs in General),
the whole Bubble Economy in the '60-70'ties was build
by People using huge amounts of Speed
but the People who used it literally went mad, sick and died!

But before they died they have done bad things
because the Human Brain is not made to Work overtime!
G.Y.!B.E.
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Addrell is no where NEAR as potent as 70-80% ice. This is coming from an ex addict, I have seen what meth does to people first hand.

The media hypes the war on drugs, but meth is a real issue.
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The media hypes the war on drugs, but meth is a real issue.
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I think so, from the US i know only what People are reporting
but from Thailand i know it very well!

Meth was always a big Problem in South East Asia
but when they
(the People without chemical knowledge)
discovered a smokeable form it really
went out of Control!

Smoking gives a huge Dosage in a very short Time,
nearly like injecting.
The Bio-Availability is in between 90-95%!

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Yeah, meth here was never pills. I have never done meth btw, but I have had a good friend totally lost to it. It is clear crystals. I think that that qualifies it as not poorly synthesized, which was the normal form of it. My friend said when he cut it up and snorted it, it cut up his sinuses and throat and he couldn't talk for several days. He was utterly obsessed with meth, even as I thought he was on a recovery. He would hear the words of a song and say, "Here that, they are really talking about meth."

It was like meeting someone who looks alive but is actually dead. He had lost his morality, and he was not the same guy.

I don't think adderall touches meth and its destructive nature. At least, according to drug users, adderall is about 1/3 the strength of meth, does not have the rush of meth, or the big comedown. I have lived with a person taking adderall and they seemed totally normal...

Im not linking cause it seems not right?
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Before Japan became nearly Drug-Free they had huge Problems
with all this Meth-Drugs (Drugs in General),
the whole Bubble Economy in the '60-70'ties was build
by People using huge amounts of Speed
but the People who used it literally went mad, sick and died!

But before they died they have done bad things
because the Human Brain is not made to Work overtime!
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I agree that the name is not important.

Isn't this the same chemical that was once sold to many millions of women as 'slimming-pills'?
Wait for it...and remember: Madness (not the common american meaning of the word) is real and it is contagious. If you remember this, you can avoid getting too much contamination
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ADHD drugs are not meth they are dextroamphetamine you can make meth out of some ephedra and some chemicals anyone can make it anywhere.
People think meth is purely synthetic, yet the original ephedrine which is is made from not pseudo-ephedrine came from a the Ma Huang plant.
Ma Huang plant is very easy to grow in your back yard no cops would know what it is.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Pollen of Ephedra spp. was found in the Shanidar IV burial site in Iraq, suggesting its use as a medicinal plant dates to over 60,000 years ago
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Methamphetamine and Amphetamine's are different. Methamphetamine is extremely addictive, and we have a lot of trouble with it in fly-over country...
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Its like alcohol.

Lots of people drink, many drink responsibly without becoming alcoholics or going all bat-shit crazy.

The same thing applies to meth (and other speeds). A lot of people use it occasionally (yes even IV slamming) and they don't get addicted to it, don't get all bat shit crazy. Yes there is a bit of a higher tendency toward addiction for meth (and other speed products) than alcohol.

I know people who have been doing speed (crank, crystal, crack) and have maintained good health, kept their job, maintain a functioning life - and they have done this for decades!

The media/Government doesn't like these types, because they break the propaganda that they want you to believe.

Recall back in the 1950's and 1950's we had 'Reefer Madness' with pot being propagandized into a demon drug.

Faces of Meth is the hard core cases. We could do Faces of Alcohol, picking up the very worst alcoholics and painting them as the typical alcohol drinker.

I used (slammed - IV used) for nearly a decade. I did it on weekends and on vacations. I stayed social, I kept my hygiene up (never lost a single tooth) maintained a job, never developed meth monsters, face picking, even maintained a healthy body weight for those 9 years.

Then came the tenth year where I was faced with a death of a close family member then went to work to find out that the company went under and I had no job. Two big hits to my heart, this opened the door for me to seek happiness in my baggy of sunshine.

The next 9 months I did go a bit bat-shit crazy, and went from 'week-end warrior' to everyday user.

Still didn't pick, still didn't lose teeth. I did drop down to 128 pounds (at 6'2" you can imagine how thin that is). I did develop hallucinations - but that was because I was sleeping only once every 4-5 days - sleep deprivation is the real killer for people.

It wasn't the drug that got me addicted, it was my self medicating, trying to deal with too much grief.

This happens a lot for a lot of people. They party for years functioning, healthy-like then something big comes along and they run into the arms of booze, meth, or sleeping pills - anything that allows them to escape the horrors of their reality.

Go into AA/NA meetings and you find that the shares are similar in that the majority there have other issues - abusive childhood, loss of a loved one, loss of a career that lead them to seeking relief in a substance.

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Re: Meth/Amphetamine Epidemic mostly Hype?
Before Japan became nearly Drug-Free they had huge Problems
with all this Meth-Drugs (Drugs in General),
the whole Bubble Economy in the '60-70'ties was build
by People using huge amounts of Speed
but the People who used it literally went mad, sick and died!

But before they died they have done bad things
because the Human Brain is not made to Work overtime!
 Quoting: the mighty Atom
Isn't this the same chemical that was once sold to many millions of women as 'slimming-pills'?
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More or less, in any of it's chemical precursor or isomers and analogues stemming from ephedra or even saffrole. [link to en.wikipedia.org]
Obesity certainly wasn't as much of a problem back then....
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Oooh that crystal blue persuasion.
Has anyone ever done the blue meth?
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Before Japan became nearly Drug-Free they had huge Problems
with all this Meth-Drugs (Drugs in General),
the whole Bubble Economy in the '60-70'ties was build
by People using huge amounts of Speed
but the People who used it literally went mad, sick and died!

But before they died they have done bad things
because the Human Brain is not made to Work overtime!
 Quoting: the mighty Atom
Isn't this the same chemical that was once sold to many millions of women as 'slimming-pills'?
 Quoting: Abe Fatso


More or less, in any of it's chemical precursor or isomers and analogues stemming from ephedra or even saffrole. [link to en.wikipedia.org]
Obesity certainly wasn't as much of a problem back then....
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Thanks for replying, I thought it might have been!

By coincidence, I finished reading a book called "Crystal Meth" by S. Jennings just last night, it was so upsetting that I could not sleep for a long time and this morning the story came right back to me. I have watched some utube vids about the subject and yes I have to agree that I noticed that many of them do hype the problem.

It's not a criticism because in most cases the film makers are only trying to raise awareness. Just that imo there's more than enough drama without that kind of presentation with music etc.

Yes, it's true obesity was nowhere near the problem it is today but when staying slim was as easy as popping a pill and with doctors support.

The PM of GB anthony eden had an operation (might have been for a hernia - not sure) point being that he was prescribed amphetamines as a pain-suppressor.

He was taking far more than he had been advised to and his instability attracted the attention of his cabinet ministers and others.

It is my belief that he became a speed-freak-addict and that his handling of it directly led to the so-called 1956 Suez Crisis - a fiasco.
Wait for it...and remember: Madness (not the common american meaning of the word) is real and it is contagious. If you remember this, you can avoid getting too much contamination
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I've seen more meth damage than all other drugs combined, including alcohol and tobacco. All that from a drug that is not nearly as popular relatively.
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A person that needs those drugs like adderall and such usually have focusing and energy problems to begin with and the drug brings them up to what doctor's would consider a "normal" level. If taken properly it shouldn't give them the high street users search for. I've known people that take it and they act just fine, they say it doesn't make them feel high at all, just more awake than usual.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18169141

this.

I know people who have been doing speed (crank, crystal, crack) and have maintained good health, kept their job, maintain a functioning life - and they have done this for decades!
 Quoting: Bowyn Aerrow

this.

sleep deprivation is the real killer for people.
 Quoting: Bowyn Aerrow

and this.

some people just can't handle a drug, other do can.

that being said, amphetamines and metamphetamine are a huge problem in most westernized societies. it's just not as visible as the problems most other drugs can create.

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