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GERMANS, what were/are you taught in school about Hitler, WWII, Holocaust?

 
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GERMANS, what were/are you taught in school about Hitler, WWII, Holocaust?
I'm curious about the unique perspective regarding Hitler, WWII, and the Holocaust that only growing up in Germany can bring. I assume a lot of what is taught in schools about that time period is "politically correct", but I don't know. I'd like to hear some firsthand German people's accounts of what you're taught/told about it.
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I'm curious about the unique perspective regarding Hitler, WWII, and the Holocaust that only growing up in Germany can bring. I assume a lot of what is taught in schools about that time period is "politically correct", but I don't know. I'd like to hear some firsthand German people's accounts of what you're taught/told about it.
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They're probably told the story with some ridiculous BS spin, just like here in the US we're told that Europeans came to the United States and the native inhabitants just happened to accidentally "die off" through diseases they contracted from us.

No one is told that the European settlers are responsible for an American holocaust which in every way is comparable with the German one, and in some ways exceeds it.
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German masculinity was broken by WW2.

The rape do Berlin dispelled the myth of male strength for its women.

That's why most German youth these days are liberal.
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This is what I got taught:

When entering 5th grade, we visited Auschwitz.
Hitler had delusions of grandeur, thinking he had to fight the Jewish financial conspiracy. He thought, the US are financially depentent of the jewish establishment.

Hitler thought, jewish people are genetically inferior. He killed lots of them, in gas chambers. We attacked Poland and Chechoslovakia by suprise. (blitzkrieg) and betrayed russia, with which we had a treaty.

Hundreds and thousands of books of german veterans with experience reports are on the market, underlining the story.

It is very hard for germans to tackle the other side of the coin, without slipping off on the right wing antisemitic side.
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This is what I got taught:

When entering 5th grade, we visited Auschwitz.
Hitler had delusions of grandeur, thinking he had to fight the Jewish financial conspiracy. He thought, the US are financially depentent of the jewish establishment.

Hitler thought, jewish people are genetically inferior. He killed lots of them, in gas chambers. We attacked Poland and Chechoslovakia by suprise. (blitzkrieg) and betrayed russia, with which we had a treaty.

Hundreds and thousands of books of german veterans with experience reports are on the market, underlining the story.

It is very hard for germans to tackle the other side of the coin, without slipping off on the right wing antisemitic side.
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Sehr interessant
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I dont remember we covered that when I was in school. Never visited a KZ either
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I dont remember we covered that when I was in school. Never visited a KZ either
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You missed nothing. It's like old, rusty bunkers. Typical armored concrete building style of te hitler era.

We also visited the Adlerhorst and the Ww2 museum in berchdesgaden once, while we were down there on ski vacation with our class.
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This is what I got taught:

When entering 5th grade, we visited Auschwitz.
Hitler had delusions of grandeur, thinking he had to fight the Jewish financial conspiracy. He thought, the US are financially depentent of the jewish establishment.

Hitler thought, jewish people are genetically inferior. He killed lots of them, in gas chambers. We attacked Poland and Chechoslovakia by suprise. (blitzkrieg) and betrayed russia, with which we had a treaty.

Hundreds and thousands of books of german veterans with experience reports are on the market, underlining the story.

It is very hard for Germans to tackle the other side of the coin, without slipping off on the right wing antisemitic side.
 Quoting: •••Weltschmerz•••


The Allies rewrote all German textbooks after the war to include German guilt and blame for the war.

I realize that Holocaust denial laws limit what Germans can say on the subject, but Hitler was not as stupid as some think.
The day the soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you stopped leading them.
They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care.
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This is what I got taught:

When entering 5th grade, we visited Auschwitz.
Hitler had delusions of grandeur, thinking he had to fight the Jewish financial conspiracy. He thought, the US are financially depentent of the jewish establishment.

Hitler thought, jewish people are genetically inferior. He killed lots of them, in gas chambers. We attacked Poland and Chechoslovakia by suprise. (blitzkrieg) and betrayed russia, with which we had a treaty.

Hundreds and thousands of books of german veterans with experience reports are on the market, underlining the story.

It is very hard for germans to tackle the other side of the coin, without slipping off on the right wing antisemitic side.
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Do they tell you that Stalin and his little (we shall not speak their name) friends killed off at least 30 million Orthodox Christians in Eastern Europe in the 20' and 30's?

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The Allies rewrote all German textbooks after the war to include German guilt and blame for the war.

I realize that Holocaust denial laws limit what Germans can say on the subject, but Hitler was not as stupid as some think.
 Quoting: A_Historian


Uh...so Hitler's Germany wasn't responsible for the war?

Seeing as there was the small matter of them putting half of Europe under the Nazi jackboot, and ending with ruin for their own country and people.

Not that I personally think Germans of today should be blamed. It's in the past. But Hitler brought ruin to his own people.
The chariots of God are tens of thousands, and thousands of thousands.
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The Allies rewrote all German textbooks after the war to include German guilt and blame for the war.

I realize that Holocaust denial laws limit what Germans can say on the subject, but Hitler was not as stupid as some think.
 Quoting: A_Historian


Uh...so Hitler's Germany wasn't responsible for the war?

Seeing as there was the small matter of them putting half of Europe under the Nazi jackboot, and ending with ruin for their own country and people.

Not that I personally think Germans of today should be blamed. It's in the past. But Hitler brought ruin to his own people.
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England declared war on Germany. Useless Brit. Stop crying.
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The Allies rewrote all German textbooks after the war to include German guilt and blame for the war.

I realize that Holocaust denial laws limit what Germans can say on the subject, but Hitler was not as stupid as some think.
 Quoting: A_Historian


Uh...so Hitler's Germany wasn't responsible for the war?

Seeing as there was the small matter of them putting half of Europe under the Nazi jackboot, and ending with ruin for their own country and people.

Not that I personally think Germans of today should be blamed. It's in the past. But Hitler brought ruin to his own people.
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England declared war on Germany. Useless Brit. Stop crying.
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The Allies rewrote all German textbooks after the war to include German guilt and blame for the war.

I realize that Holocaust denial laws limit what Germans can say on the subject, but Hitler was not as stupid as some think.
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Uh...so Hitler's Germany wasn't responsible for the war?

Seeing as there was the small matter of them putting half of Europe under the Nazi jackboot, and ending with ruin for their own country and people.

Not that I personally think Germans of today should be blamed. It's in the past. But Hitler brought ruin to his own people.
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They block many of the best National Socialist videos from the internet in Germany as well.
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The Allies rewrote all German textbooks after the war to include German guilt and blame for the war.

I realize that Holocaust denial laws limit what Germans can say on the subject, but Hitler was not as stupid as some think.
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Uh...so Hitler's Germany wasn't responsible for the war?

Seeing as there was the small matter of them putting half of Europe under the Nazi jackboot, and ending with ruin for their own country and people.

Not that I personally think Germans of today should be blamed. It's in the past. But Hitler brought ruin to his own people.
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If by "his own people" you mean the germans, then, no. Hitler was Austrian.
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Dang

Let's try that again

"judea declares war on germany 1933"

Google that phrase.
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The Allies rewrote all German textbooks after the war to include German guilt and blame for the war.

I realize that Holocaust denial laws limit what Germans can say on the subject, but Hitler was not as stupid as some think.
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Uh...so Hitler's Germany wasn't responsible for the war?

Seeing as there was the small matter of them putting half of Europe under the Nazi jackboot, and ending with ruin for their own country and people.

Not that I personally think Germans of today should be blamed. It's in the past. But Hitler brought ruin to his own people.
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England declared war on Germany. Useless Brit. Stop crying.
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Pretty much sums it up.
Britain had no business offering unconditional support to Poland knowing full well it could not back it up. I don't see where Britain also declared war on the Soviet Union when they invaded Poland either.

Perhaps you can help us out with that one.
The day the soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you stopped leading them.
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The Allies rewrote all German textbooks after the war to include German guilt and blame for the war.

I realize that Holocaust denial laws limit what Germans can say on the subject, but Hitler was not as stupid as some think.
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Uh...so Hitler's Germany wasn't responsible for the war?

Seeing as there was the small matter of them putting half of Europe under the Nazi jackboot, and ending with ruin for their own country and people.

Not that I personally think Germans of today should be blamed. It's in the past. But Hitler brought ruin to his own people.
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If by "his own people" you mean the germans, then, no. Hitler was Austrian.
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Austrians are germans.

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The Allies rewrote all German textbooks after the war to include German guilt and blame for the war.

I realize that Holocaust denial laws limit what Germans can say on the subject, but Hitler was not as stupid as some think.
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Uh...so Hitler's Germany wasn't responsible for the war?

Seeing as there was the small matter of them putting half of Europe under the Nazi jackboot, and ending with ruin for their own country and people.

Not that I personally think Germans of today should be blamed. It's in the past. But Hitler brought ruin to his own people.
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England declared war on Germany. Useless Brit. Stop crying.
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Yep, and it's a good thing we did, because Herr Hitler had set his sights on invading us as well, via Operation Sealion.
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The Allies rewrote all German textbooks after the war to include German guilt and blame for the war.

I realize that Holocaust denial laws limit what Germans can say on the subject, but Hitler was not as stupid as some think.
 Quoting: A_Historian


Uh...so Hitler's Germany wasn't responsible for the war?

Seeing as there was the small matter of them putting half of Europe under the Nazi jackboot, and ending with ruin for their own country and people.

Not that I personally think Germans of today should be blamed. It's in the past. But Hitler brought ruin to his own people.
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If by "his own people" you mean the germans, then, no. Hitler was Austrian.
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Austrians are germans.


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And canadians are US citizens?lolsign
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The Allies rewrote all German textbooks after the war to include German guilt and blame for the war.

I realize that Holocaust denial laws limit what Germans can say on the subject, but Hitler was not as stupid as some think.
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Uh...so Hitler's Germany wasn't responsible for the war?

Seeing as there was the small matter of them putting half of Europe under the Nazi jackboot, and ending with ruin for their own country and people.

Not that I personally think Germans of today should be blamed. It's in the past. But Hitler brought ruin to his own people.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


England declared war on Germany. Useless Brit. Stop crying.
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cruise

Yep, and it's a good thing we did, because Herr Hitler had set his sights on invading us as well, via Operation Sealion.
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Do they really teach that tripe in your schools?
Hitler practically begged Britain to help him take on the Soviet Union.

But no, Britain just like the US played enabler, arming Uncle Joe through Lend-lease and stood by as he took over half of Europe and kept it under the Communist yoke until the fall in 1989..

Smart move.
The day the soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you stopped leading them.
They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care.
Either case is a failure of leadership.
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cruise

Yep, and it's a good thing we did, because Herr Hitler had set his sights on invading us as well, via Operation Sealion.
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You'd have been better off. Now look at your sorry ass island, overrun with Paki molesters and nagger gangs.

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The Allies rewrote all German textbooks after the war to include German guilt and blame for the war.

I realize that Holocaust denial laws limit what Germans can say on the subject, but Hitler was not as stupid as some think.
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Uh...so Hitler's Germany wasn't responsible for the war?

Seeing as there was the small matter of them putting half of Europe under the Nazi jackboot, and ending with ruin for their own country and people.

Not that I personally think Germans of today should be blamed. It's in the past. But Hitler brought ruin to his own people.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


England declared war on Germany. Useless Brit. Stop crying.
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cruise

Yep, and it's a good thing we did, because Herr Hitler had set his sights on invading us as well, via Operation Sealion.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


Hitler proposed in 940 to have the pre-war borders restored. Britain declined. Britain wanted the war.
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You missed nothing. It's like old, rusty bunkers. Typical armored concrete building style of te hitler era.
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A typical cold, emotionless German response.

It's certainly more than old rusty bunkers. Much more. It's a journey of the mind, the imagination, as in imagining the people 70 years ago who occupied that space, commuting with their ghosts; not real ghosts but ghosts as in memories, and reflecting on what went wrong and how to avoid it in the future. Sure, you can do all that from the comfort of your home, but it's not the same. Just as seeing a picture of a beach is nothing compared to the experience of being there, so too for the more infamous places that dot the landscape of human history.
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You missed nothing. It's like old, rusty bunkers. Typical armored concrete building style of te hitler era.
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A typical cold, emotionless German response.

It's certainly more than old rusty bunkers. Much more. It's a journey of the mind, the imagination, as in imagining the people 70 years ago who occupied that space, commuting with their ghosts; not real ghosts but ghosts as in memories, and reflecting on what went wrong and how to avoid it in the future. Sure, you can do all that from the comfort of your home, but it's not the same. Just as seeing a picture of a beach is nothing compared to the experience of being there, so too for the more infamous places that dot the landscape of human history.
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Note to self: Visit Guantanamo Bay.
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Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

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You missed nothing. It's like old, rusty bunkers. Typical armored concrete building style of te hitler era.
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A typical cold, emotionless German response.

It's certainly more than old rusty bunkers. Much more. It's a journey of the mind, the imagination, as in imagining the people 70 years ago who occupied that space, commuting with their ghosts; not real ghosts but ghosts as in memories, and reflecting on what went wrong and how to avoid it in the future. Sure, you can do all that from the comfort of your home, but it's not the same. Just as seeing a picture of a beach is nothing compared to the experience of being there, so too for the more infamous places that dot the landscape of human history.
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German masculinity was broken by WW2.

The rape do Berlin dispelled the myth of male strength for its women.

That's why most German youth these days are liberal.
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I agree, though if you forget about any particular partisan viewpoint, and simply add up all the wars your European masters have led their flock into in just the past 225+ years (inc. Napoleon) THAT'S A LOT OF ALPHA MALES THAT DISAPPEARED.. no wonder so many lesbians, the poor gals can't find a good man without strapping one on.

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Uh...so Hitler's Germany wasn't responsible for the war?

Seeing as there was the small matter of them putting half of Europe under the Nazi jackboot, and ending with ruin for their own country and people.

Not that I personally think Germans of today should be blamed. It's in the past. But Hitler brought ruin to his own people.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


England declared war on Germany. Useless Brit. Stop crying.
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cruise

Yep, and it's a good thing we did, because Herr Hitler had set his sights on invading us as well, via Operation Sealion.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


Hitler proposed in 940 to have the pre-war borders restored. Britain declined. Britain wanted the war.
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What borders are you talking about?
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You missed nothing. It's like old, rusty bunkers. Typical armored concrete building style of te hitler era.
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A typical cold, emotionless German response.

It's certainly more than old rusty bunkers. Much more. It's a journey of the mind, the imagination, as in imagining the people 70 years ago who occupied that space, commuting with their ghosts; not real ghosts but ghosts as in memories, and reflecting on what went wrong and how to avoid it in the future. Sure, you can do all that from the comfort of your home, but it's not the same. Just as seeing a picture of a beach is nothing compared to the experience of being there, so too for the more infamous places that dot the landscape of human history.
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