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They were offered a 16% pay raise over 4 years. And still in this economy refused.

BTW... its democrat mayor vs democrat union...lol

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What is R gonna do? Give it to them or give in? I noticed they are all wearing red. Seems funny to me like red is a choice of color for the unions these days.
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More reason to home school.

If every parent decided to home school these crying libtards would be without a job instead of blackmailing people for a massive increase of money!

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Rahm's really has everything under control doesn't he? I think this illustrates that even with a bad economy democrats and especially unions think everyone else should pay regardless.

the concept of "shared sacrifice" goes right out the window when it comes to them, their salaries, and their benefits.

this is what democrats do.
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I find it odd that this strike is in chicago of all places. Obama's home town. Maybe they still think "i won't have to pay my mortgage, or put gas in my car, cause we have a black president", is just not being done fast enough for them. LOL
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I can't stand those lib teachers, not a fan of Rahm but I hope he stands his ground with them.

The entire Chicago school system is terrible, low test scores across the board...how about teach better then you get your raise.
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Key issues separating Chicago Public Schools and the Chicago Teachers Union:

[link to www.chicagotribune.com]
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Rahm's really has everything under control doesn't he? I think this illustrates that even with a bad economy democrats and especially unions think everyone else should pay regardless.

the concept of "shared sacrifice" goes right out the window when it comes to them, their salaries, and their benefits.

this is what democrats do.
 Quoting: Davvi



You are right they don't get their 16% raise while the rest of the country is cutting teachers ...
what a bunch of ...
baby
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The main concern with the strike seems to be that the kids won't have any place to go during school hours. Nobody interviewed in the newspaper article I read seemed to worried about the learning they would miss.

Reagan replaced the air traffic controllers, to their shock and surprise. This could be a great opportunity to start over with non-union teachers in Chicago. Too bad it's not a Republican mayor who might think of that.
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Rahm's really has everything under control doesn't he? I think this illustrates that even with a bad economy democrats and especially unions think everyone else should pay regardless.

the concept of "shared sacrifice" goes right out the window when it comes to them, their salaries, and their benefits.

this is what democrats do.
 Quoting: Davvi



You are right they don't get their 16% raise while the rest of the country is cutting teachers ...
what a bunch of ...
baby
 Quoting: RightMama


Wish our district in NY state would stop giving them raises.

It's time to end public employee unions. If it takes a year of dislocation for our kids in school, it's well worth it -- for THEIR futures!
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Idiocy in full display.....

Reminds me of going to pick up a check from Eastern Airlines
because they were not credit worthy...i.e. bankrupt.

Upon arriving at the Airport...seeing the Eastern Airline
pilots in full pilot uniforms STRIKING out front...i scratched
my head as a young twenty something...with the thought..

"wtf, are you guys idiots..your company is bankrupt and
you are asking for MORE MONEY???" lmao
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What is the average salary of a teacher in chicago? then compare what the average salary is of people in the district. the teacher's salary should not be more than 1 or 2 percent above what is the average taxpayers.


most teachers work less than ten months out of the years which is actually part-time employment. the product that they produce is very often sub-par, so why should they be paid top dollar when most kids graduate from school unable to read?
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Teachers everywhere complain that they should not be evaluated on student performance measures because some factors are beyond their control.

I don't know of any other job, anywhere, where an employee is guaranteed that his review or his compensation will be based on factors entirely within his or her control. Certainly not at a professional level!

This argument should be thrown out entirely, with a slap at them for even daring to utter this idea. Millions of people have lost their jobs for reasons entirely beyond their control. It's time for teachers, especially the old ones, to start to experience this along with the rest of society.
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Rahm's really has everything under control doesn't he? I think this illustrates that even with a bad economy democrats and especially unions think everyone else should pay regardless.

the concept of "shared sacrifice" goes right out the window when it comes to them, their salaries, and their benefits.

this is what democrats do.
 Quoting: Davvi



You are right they don't get their 16% raise while the rest of the country is cutting teachers ...
what a bunch of ...
baby
 Quoting: RightMama


Wish our district in NY state would stop giving them raises.

It's time to end public employee unions. If it takes a year of dislocation for our kids in school, it's well worth it -- for THEIR futures!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19852008


when you think about a public employee's union, one has to ask just who are they organized against? not some rich, evil corporate owner. no, they are unionized against us the tax-payer who very often makes far less than they do.

democraps rail against the rich while supporting rich unions? it makes no sense at all.
There are three genders in the US, male, female and democrat. Democrat men are not really women, they just act like it.

I never give RED karma, only GREEN for great posters. If you give me red or green please leave your name, I like to say thank you...

Leftist Jews create anti-Semitism.


Krauthammer: "If Fences Don't Work, Why Is There One Around The White House?"
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fire all of them...
start over!
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Teachers everywhere complain that they should not be evaluated on student performance measures because some factors are beyond their control.

I don't know of any other job, anywhere, where an employee is guaranteed that his review or his compensation will be based on factors entirely within his or her control. Certainly not at a professional level!

This argument should be thrown out entirely, with a slap at them for even daring to utter this idea. Millions of people have lost their jobs for reasons entirely beyond their control. It's time for teachers, especially the old ones, to start to experience this along with the rest of society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19852008


this would be the same as ford saying I can't make a good car because the roads have potholes.
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From the looks of the headline photo on Drudge, they could also GO ON A DIET!

[link to drudgereport.com]
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What is the average salary of a teacher in chicago? then compare what the average salary is of people in the district. the teacher's salary should not be more than 1 or 2 percent above what is the average taxpayers.


most teachers work less than ten months out of the years which is actually part-time employment. the product that they produce is very often sub-par, so why should they be paid top dollar when most kids graduate from school unable to read?
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im here in Chicago & the Teachers union is FUCKING GREEDY!

teachers had an offer for $70k salary avg with 16% avg increases for working only 9months out of the year plus 2weeks paid vacation during work months AND free Health benefits & Pension but they want MORE MONEY!! WTF!????!
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current avg is $76,000!!
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Teachers everywhere complain that they should not be evaluated on student performance measures because some factors are beyond their control.

I don't know of any other job, anywhere, where an employee is guaranteed that his review or his compensation will be based on factors entirely within his or her control. Certainly not at a professional level!

This argument should be thrown out entirely, with a slap at them for even daring to utter this idea. Millions of people have lost their jobs for reasons entirely beyond their control. It's time for teachers, especially the old ones, to start to experience this along with the rest of society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19852008


this would be the same as ford saying I can't make a good car because the roads have potholes.
 Quoting: Davvi


Actually I don't expect that they can do much better, or that I could do better in their shoes. What kind of students can we imagine these teachers have in front of them? Think south side Chicago ...

But that's tough. I wouldn't fire teachers if I didn't think I could get better ones, but that's the measure they should be competing against, not some phony notion of acceptable performance which puts the bar way too low.

These days, one can get fired because someone in India or China can do your job cheaper. And in fact, education is going online these days too. One can find all kinds of courses on the internet, even courses from great universities. Do we really need these teachers and this education model? If it isn't working, the answer isn't to insulate the teachers and worry about how to do a little better. The modern response to business failure to fire them all and reorganize the business. The rest of the country has faced this hard reality for about 30 years now. It's time for them to face reality now too, and this strike is a great opportunity for an unexpected plot twist!
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Oh, and "better" can mean "nearly as good and much cheaper". Just like business. Taxpayers are paying all these costs and they need a break.

As Davvi said, whom are public employee unions organized against? Against us!
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Teachers everywhere complain that they should not be evaluated on student performance measures because some factors are beyond their control.

I don't know of any other job, anywhere, where an employee is guaranteed that his review or his compensation will be based on factors entirely within his or her control. Certainly not at a professional level!

This argument should be thrown out entirely, with a slap at them for even daring to utter this idea. Millions of people have lost their jobs for reasons entirely beyond their control. It's time for teachers, especially the old ones, to start to experience this along with the rest of society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19852008


You know what - life's a bitch like this. Shit happens out of your control. Trying to legislate shit out of life, are we? How well do you think that works in the long run?

Shit is like energy. It can change form and it can be passed around, but you simply can't make shit go away. By delegating the shit out of these teachers' lives, you are passing it onto others. The ones being shit upon are the students, because there's a chance true teachers that put their students' well being above their own are looking for jobs in Chitown.

Someone else could potentially be a better teacher that would be able to get students to a level to be able to pass standardized tests. I've seen what the standardized tests look like now, and the only way a student would fail them is if that student either can't read English or has no respect for education institutions and is just purposefully trying to make it look bad.

This mindset is not a product of poverty, violence, or homelessness. It is a product of either lazy or feeble teachers. Yes, I realize many good teachers feel emasculated with how easily teachers can catch flak for being as strict as can be needed. I'm not saying the teachers are wholly to blame; I'm saying I would rather see teachers striking because of the inability to discipline unruly children who aren't properly disciplined at home.

That these strikers' main point lies in the changes for teacher evaluations tells me that these teachers know they could be doing a better job, found loopholes to laziness within the current evaluation guidelines, and are now worried their loopholes will be closed.

These teachers need to adapt to the changing environment if they want to keep their job security. Prime example of how unions enact regression through promise of progression.
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Teachers everywhere complain that they should not be evaluated on student performance measures because some factors are beyond their control.

I don't know of any other job, anywhere, where an employee is guaranteed that his review or his compensation will be based on factors entirely within his or her control. Certainly not at a professional level!

This argument should be thrown out entirely, with a slap at them for even daring to utter this idea. Millions of people have lost their jobs for reasons entirely beyond their control. It's time for teachers, especially the old ones, to start to experience this along with the rest of society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19852008


this would be the same as ford saying I can't make a good car because the roads have potholes.
 Quoting: Davvi


Actually I don't expect that they can do much better, or that I could do better in their shoes. What kind of students can we imagine these teachers have in front of them? Think south side Chicago ...

But that's tough. I wouldn't fire teachers if I didn't think I could get better ones, but that's the measure they should be competing against, not some phony notion of acceptable performance which puts the bar way too low.

These days, one can get fired because someone in India or China can do your job cheaper. And in fact, education is going online these days too. One can find all kinds of courses on the internet, even courses from great universities. Do we really need these teachers and this education model? If it isn't working, the answer isn't to insulate the teachers and worry about how to do a little better. The modern response to business failure to fire them all and reorganize the business. The rest of the country has faced this hard reality for about 30 years now. It's time for them to face reality now too, and this strike is a great opportunity for an unexpected plot twist!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19852008


I think the reason our schools are bad is because just like welfare there is no incentive to perform. the teacher has a double layer of protection in that they have a union and they have tenure. how many people are not judged by their performance on the job?

the teacher knows that no matter how well or how poorly they perfom the salary and the benefits will be there. the teacher takes the path of least resistance and just passes the kid along much as government kicks the can down the road over the debt, at the end of the school year the troubled student, the under-educated student becomes the new teachers problem.

i don't have any answers, but we really do need to break the back of these damn public employee unions.
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i don't have any answers, but we really do need to break the back of these damn public employee unions.
 Quoting: Davvi


Exactly. There are risks in trying something new, but there are also risks (to everyone but the teachers) in continuing as we are. It's irresponsible to keep bailing out this entrenched education establishment.
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Cops Pour Onto Streets to Deal With 'Unsupervised Kids'...


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Teachers everywhere complain that they should not be evaluated on student performance measures because some factors are beyond their control.

I don't know of any other job, anywhere, where an employee is guaranteed that his review or his compensation will be based on factors entirely within his or her control. Certainly not at a professional level!

This argument should be thrown out entirely, with a slap at them for even daring to utter this idea. Millions of people have lost their jobs for reasons entirely beyond their control. It's time for teachers, especially the old ones, to start to experience this along with the rest of society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19852008


You know what - life's a bitch like this. Shit happens out of your control. Trying to legislate shit out of life, are we? How well do you think that works in the long run?

Shit is like energy. It can change form and it can be passed around, but you simply can't make shit go away. By delegating the shit out of these teachers' lives, you are passing it onto others. The ones being shit upon are the students, because there's a chance true teachers that put their students' well being above their own are looking for jobs in Chitown.
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 Quoting: Psychedelicat

Taxpayers are being shit on too, by the excessively high pay these teachers are getting. Most are not worth nearly that much. They're largely education majors, and back at least when they were in college, you didn't major in education if you had the brians to do a real major.
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More reason to home school.

If every parent decided to home school these crying libtards would be without a job instead of blackmailing people for a massive increase of money!

- Sara
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That Sara cunt is a shill, and if you look at her posting history, will only post very brief one or two short sentence replies, then NEVER re-respond when questioned on said responses.

All she does is tow the repuke, neo-con, zionist line with a few words -- kinda of like a few other shills here (scrum p, brief, txgal, etc) -- 100% agenda pushing, partisan retard shills.

Not an original thought in their souls -- while pretending to be "chrisitan" they desire a zionist world -- the same zionists jewish who murdered their "god" jesus.

Fucking hypocritial, dumbfucks who will all hopefully swallow a bullet in a very short time.
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Should be a 16% pay cut in today's economy and considering Chicago's budget is in the negative by 1 billion with the pensions and healthcare.
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Chicago can blow me where the pampers is. Let it burn...all except for Wrigley Field.
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be hilarious when they outsource teachers , your kids will come home with an indian call center accent. acquired from the teacher over the live webcam who works for 10 k a year on contract.

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