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Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!

 
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
The general theme on this thread is we (humans) don't know dick, but the inference is that some "invisible" grand creator does... whatevvvvvvaaaaaaaa
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be away just checked in

wow thanks for the pin.

so when i started this thread it is more how our high and mighty NASA and many scientist fly around debunking this, that, and the other based on their theoretical beliefs.

with an unbudging belief they are right.

well we just do not know as much as we think and entering science arenas which are heavily based in theory with closed minds will inevitable end in failure.

i am not sure if there is a god in the form of our modern earth based religions, though i feel there is a universal power...or the powers of the universe as i like to refer to it.

PEACE all
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
The general theme on this thread is we (humans) don't know dick, but the inference is that some "invisible" grand creator does... whatevvvvvvaaaaaaaa
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be away just checked in

wow thanks for the pin.

so when i started this thread it is more how our high and mighty NASA and many scientist fly around debunking this, that, and the other based on their theoretical beliefs.

with an unbudging belief they are right.

well we just do not know as much as we think and entering science arenas which are heavily based in theory with closed minds will inevitable end in failure.

i am not sure if there is a god in the form of our modern earth based religions, though i feel there is a universal power...or the powers of the universe as i like to refer to it.

PEACE all
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There is the whole creative consciousness that is the Father per se. Then there is the government and hierarchy of it all
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
Wow! blink

Why do threads like this always devolve into such nasty religion vs. science mud-slinging babble?

Can't you just enjoy the beauty of the mystery that is constantly unfolding around us?
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Can't you simply accept the beauty of our Creator's universe instead of constantly pushing a faith that it is some unknowable "mystery" that scientists have yet to discover?
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you mean your creator. you christians killed off peoples of every other religion you came in contact with to erase any competition to your religion.

otherwise we would he hearing stories of Cronus and Mt. Olympia, Odin and the World Tree, the Great Spirit, the Rainbow Serpent, and hundreds more beautiful stories to hear.

instead, all there is left is your sickly God and his evil hypocrisies that do nothing but lie, deceive and destroy.

no pity for you. none at all.
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
Stop throwing god into the equation every time something comes up and you don't understand it. All you're doing is taking the easy way out by just saying "god did it". Use your damn brains and try to study and learn the unexplainable. Fucking sheep.
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All you're doing is saying "Natural accident or Aliens did it.." Mr. Psuedoskeptic..
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Did I type that up there? No.

All I'm saying is that if you don't know something, or don't understand it. Then try to research it and solve the mystery.

Anyone that says science is always right is a fool. We not gonna get it right all the time. It's called learning. Is learning a crime?
 Quoting: TRU


Have you yet learned how irrational it is to believe this universe and life formed by random chance?

Think """science""" (naturalist religion hijacking the label) will ever acknowledge this?

Or will they keep pushing their naturalist faith of natural big-bang, abiogenesis, and slime turning into humans over billions of years?
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Lol I did say that science is not always right. That's the fun of the mystery. I don't think I came from a puddle of slime. I could be wrong and I'm not afraid to admit that.

As far as forcing something on people, that's just wrong. That goes for science AND religion.
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
This goes to show that Scientists are a bunch of pricks.
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
Scientists should be forced to add a caveat to every statement they make..

'This is what we theorize at the present time..'
 Quoting: Waterbug


yes this is a good idea...
or at least look at thing simply with an open mind.

they are only human....in the end i would trust them more knowing their are using their brains to stumble through the darkness....and not just making things up to prove a theory.

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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
the Big Bang is a bunch of bullshit

just like fossil fuels
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
just think of what advanced civilizations probably live there.

and what hot alien women too!

5a
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
Cosmology is unbelievably profound. Not sure I could think about it all the time like some of these people that do . I hope they continue too and help me try to understand sometimes.
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
Hey British AC,


why so many BS Flags? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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probably because the bible tells them the world is only about 6000 years old
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So a wing developed from a tiny little nub that was an evolutionary advantage?

Where are all the intermediary creatures between stages of evolution.

You will believe anything an athiest tells you.
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
so, a blog with no backing, or other 'official' links or sources that can be checked, and you feel that since it's on the internet it's true?
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
Nothing has to make sense if we live in a simulation/matrix.
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
the Big Bang is a bunch of bullshit

just like fossil fuels
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agreed and each nebula is "big banged" (sort of, the word is not accurate) which sets forth the creation of each new universe, which are then governed.
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
and just mabe coments spread seeds too grow into stars hehe
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
3d humans operate as if something that can't be perceived by the 5 senses (or sixth) then it does not exist.

1d - Line = width
2d - Circle = width + height
3d - Sphere = width + height + depth
4d -
5d -
6d -
7d -

inconceivable

Some lessons just won't be learned here.
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
[link to refreshingnews99.blogspot.in]
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This galaxy is so large, so fully-formed, astronomers say it shouldn't exist at all. It's called a "grand-design" spiral galaxy, and unlike most galaxies of its kind, this one is old. Like, really, really old. According to a new study conducted by researchers using NASA's Hubble Telescope, it dates back roughly 10.7-billion years — and that makes it the most ancient spiral galaxy we've ever discovered.

So every time someone spouts out this or that about things are this way or that.....

well what do we base how the universe works on?

how do we even begin to say how the universe was created?
just recently NASA has admitted there concept of how the surface of the sun functioned was completely wrong.
now they find a galaxy that breaks all the rules....this newly discovered galaxy should not exist.

yet there it is!
 Quoting: psyoptics


they see a faint flickering light and come to the conclusion its 10.7 billion years old...load of fucking shit!!!
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i agree.. when will people stop getting fascinated by stupid articles like this that claim the sun is 500 million years old and dinosaurs lived 60 million years ago, and a giant living rectum lived 10000 million years ago... yawnn.... time dating is not linear you know... oh they don't... they just found out recently that carbon dating is inaccurate.. figures
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
nanarub

(((salivating)))
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My thoughts exactly. heh
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
Other physicists have different opinions. They would never give such a date to a galaxy with three visible bands. The wind-up dilemma says the galaxy of such an age should be a complete disk, and of a particular size.

[link to www.nature.com]

[link to creationrevolution.com]

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We're still young, and have A LOT to learn. If you were taught something at an early age, don't stick to it throughout your life and believe it to be true. Try to see what else is out there because it's a lot going on. And remember to keep an open mind.

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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
just think of what advanced civilizations probably live there.

and what hot alien women too!

5a
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5 +
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
3d humans operate as if something that can't be perceived by the 5 senses (or sixth) then it does not exist.

1d - Line = width
2d - Circle = width + height
3d - Sphere = width + height + depth
4d - Human in time + width + height + depth5d -
6d -
7d -

inconceivable

Some lessons just won't be learned here.
 Quoting: TheTruthWorker


I think most of us are at least 4d.

the other d's you can figure out yourself.

oh and you missed 5d.

6 d should be the center of man.
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
God created everythign about 6000 years ago. The galaxy they are looking at is clearly not billions of years old. What is wrong with the science geeks?
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Maybe a level 3 civilization has manipulated is to be so...
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
Interesting post OP.

Science is always the search for what, why, how, and we will always continue discovery after discovery.

Christianity is not at odds with Science, although some pro- and some anti- religionists believe it to be.
In his book, "Between Two Ages," Brzezinski wrote: "The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values."

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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
God created everythign about 6000 years ago. The galaxy they are looking at is clearly not billions of years old. What is wrong with the science geeks?
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Yeah, in your world lol.
The truth is out there.
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nanarub

(((salivating)))
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It says I'm infect you right?

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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
3d humans operate as if something that can't be perceived by the 5 senses (or sixth) then it does not exist.

1d - Line = width
2d - Circle = width + height
3d - Sphere = width + height + depth
4d - Human in time + width + height + depth5d -
6d -
7d -

inconceivable

Some lessons just won't be learned here.
 Quoting: TheTruthWorker


I think most of us are at least 4d.

the other d's you can figure out yourself.

oh and you missed 5d.

6 d should be the center of man.
 Quoting: Skin Suit


Looks like you backspaced the 5d line when you typed the 4d line :)

Yes time and space for us.
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
God created everythign about 6000 years ago. The galaxy they are looking at is clearly not billions of years old. What is wrong with the science geeks?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3978737


cosby
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
all these fucking lies so they can keep the funding going
of course
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
Wow! blink

Why do threads like this always devolve into such nasty religion vs. science mud-slinging babble?

Can't you just enjoy the beauty of the mystery that is constantly unfolding around us?
 Quoting: Éireann


Because your so called science nothing but fake science...
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Why do you assume I have preference of one over the other? I happen to believe they are complimentary to each other so long as you leave out the religious dogma which is man-made.
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