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Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!

 
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Interesting post OP.

Science is always the search for what, why, how, and we will always continue discovery after discovery.

Christianity is not at odds with Science, although some pro- and some anti- religionists believe it to be.
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
all these fucking lies so they can keep the funding going
of course
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Science: Yes, NASA told some lies, and gets funded.

Religion: Keep putting your money in that money tray at church so you can hear a few lies from your pastor.


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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
Hey British AC,


why so many BS Flags? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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probably because the bible tells them the world is only about 6000 years old
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LOL! I was going to say the same thing, and add that they probably don't believe in evolution either, and think that dinosaur fossils were planted by archeologists!
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
so, a blog with no backing, or other 'official' links or sources that can be checked, and you feel that since it's on the internet it's true?
 Quoting: The Wretched

so go buy the next issue of Nature...that is where the whole thing will be.
i am sure NASA will have this on the sites soon as well.
a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants.
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[link to www.nature.com]

The thing is not 10 bazzillion years old just because some priest "said so". Bunch of paid liars.
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Hey British AC,


why so many BS Flags? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12786780


probably because the bible tells them the world is only about 6000 years old
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Except that nowhere in the bible does it say that.
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Hey British AC,


why so many BS Flags? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12786780


probably because the bible tells them the world is only about 6000 years old
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11224014


Why do people always fail to realise the Bible does NOT say the earth is only 6000 years old, MAN says that.

Infact the bible clearly says there was something going on well before the Gensis creation saga, as it specifically refers to the creation as a RECREATION not original, first or only as MAN has wrongly interpreted for what ever reason.

This is such a huge problem in the world today, everyone dismisses the bible based on mans misinterpretation do yourself a favor and study it for yourself not what someone else tells you about it.
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so, a blog with no backing, or other 'official' links or sources that can be checked, and you feel that since it's on the internet it's true?
 Quoting: The Wretched


why not, if christians can do it with a book that was just a bunch of personal letters added to the Jewish Torah, had no backing (the jewish people reject christianity), and can not be checked for accuracy since it was, conveniently, written decades after the supposed fact. and there was nothing at all written by historians or chroniclers from that time that corroborates anything in the bible.

but they insist it's true!
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
It doesn't. You arena fool for falling into.this. who.cares
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so, a blog with no backing, or other 'official' links or sources that can be checked, and you feel that since it's on the internet it's true?
 Quoting: The Wretched

so go buy the next issue of Nature...that is where the whole thing will be.
i am sure NASA will have this on the sites soon as well.
 Quoting: psyoptics

here are more links and pics
[link to www.space.com]
[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]
[link to www.npr.org]
a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants.
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Hey British AC,


why so many BS Flags? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12786780


probably because the bible tells them the world is only about 6000 years old
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11224014


Why do people always fail to realise the Bible does NOT say the earth is only 6000 years old, MAN says that.

Infact the bible clearly says there was something going on well before the Gensis creation saga, as it specifically refers to the creation as a RECREATION not original, first or only as MAN has wrongly interpreted for what ever reason.

This is such a huge problem in the world today, everyone dismisses the bible based on mans misinterpretation do yourself a favor and study it for yourself not what someone else tells you about it.
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clappa

Exactly what I've been saying to them throughout this whole thread!
The truth is out there.
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so, a blog with no backing, or other 'official' links or sources that can be checked, and you feel that since it's on the internet it's true?
 Quoting: The Wretched



[link to www.youtube.com]
a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants.
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
Just goes to show that the scientists don't know shit and just like to theorize! Man has always been arrogant!
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This is the best post I've read in months!
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
Also there are new possible theories/evidence of our world actually not being created from a big bang...

From one of Australia's biggest news sites...

[link to news.ninemsn.com.au]

Which would line up with scripture;

Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

And then quoting from the article

"The reason we use the water analogy is water is without form.

"In the beginning there wasn't even space, space did not exist because there was no form.""

And their reference to the universe being created from water...

And the bible was written so long before all this scientific knowledge was even known....

Though I do understand discoveries like this come and go... so may not be "proven" to be so. Just thought what they had to say was interesting if it does come to be so...

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[link to refreshingnews99.blogspot.in]
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This galaxy is so large, so fully-formed, astronomers say it shouldn't exist at all. It's called a "grand-design" spiral galaxy, and unlike most galaxies of its kind, this one is old. Like, really, really old. According to a new study conducted by researchers using NASA's Hubble Telescope, it dates back roughly 10.7-billion years — and that makes it the most ancient spiral galaxy we've ever discovered.

So every time someone spouts out this or that about things are this way or that.....

well what do we base how the universe works on?

how do we even begin to say how the universe was created?
just recently NASA has admitted there concept of how the surface of the sun functioned was completely wrong.
now they find a galaxy that breaks all the rules....this newly discovered galaxy should not exist.

yet there it is!


[link to www.youtube.com]

 Quoting: psyoptics


Interesting. Have you seen D.L. Hotson's treatise on Dirac's equation and the "sea of negative energy" ?

It's a fundamental rethink of modern physics, and uses Dirac's equation to show that "action at a distance" is not necessary.

By this model, there IS a medium that transmits light waves and moderates gravity.

Ok, about this new galaxy: Hotson's model implies that the red shift is NOT due to galaxies moving away from us. It's due to diffusion or loss of energy as light is transmitted via this medium across the universe.

If you buy this, then you no longer need an expanding universe and even more cool, you don't need a BIG BANG.

Pretty cool eh? Here's a link:

[link to scienceforums.com]
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bsflag
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Really thor,you seem more awake than this on most posts!

Remember guys the spirals are continuous, one inside another as our system spins inside the galaxy as it spins inside the universe and so on....

Psy my brother , EXCELLENT THREAD. This one is going to keep me up for awhile!applause2

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“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
I gucking hate titles like this. You take a completely legitimate topic and turn it into sensationalist drivel. While this is a valid discovery, to say that it is "so old... it should not exist" is pure garbage and deserving of the BS flags it gets.

I'll never understand why people feel the need to sensationalize or otherwise bend the truth to try to prove a point. We're all looking for the truth; there's no reason to add more noise.
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
Our understanding of the universe and our world is so limited that if you don't believe in some form of afterlife there's no point in thinking about it. In 100 years it'll be completely different. You could say that it's irrelevant, except when it comes to the people who actually do the research and push it forward, as those in the future will build on their work. But us normal folk? Absolutely pointless.
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
I gucking hate titles like this. You take a completely legitimate topic and turn it into sensationalist drivel. While this is a valid discovery, to say that it is "so old... it should not exist" is pure garbage and deserving of the BS flags it gets.

I'll never understand why people feel the need to sensationalize or otherwise bend the truth to try to prove a point. We're all looking for the truth; there's no reason to add more noise.
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dude!
not my title or phrase...out of the month of the guys looking through Hubble....the scientists themselves said this!

a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants.
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I gucking hate titles like this. You take a completely legitimate topic and turn it into sensationalist drivel. While this is a valid discovery, to say that it is "so old... it should not exist" is pure garbage and deserving of the BS flags it gets.

I'll never understand why people feel the need to sensationalize or otherwise bend the truth to try to prove a point. We're all looking for the truth; there's no reason to add more noise.
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Did you read the article noise boy, the op is using a statement made by astronomers, its not his personal rant. By the way who are you and what have you done but add more noise, AC 1487956!
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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I gucking hate titles like this. You take a completely legitimate topic and turn it into sensationalist drivel. While this is a valid discovery, to say that it is "so old... it should not exist" is pure garbage and deserving of the BS flags it gets.

I'll never understand why people feel the need to sensationalize or otherwise bend the truth to try to prove a point. We're all looking for the truth; there's no reason to add more noise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1487956

dude!
not my title or phrase...out of the month of the guys looking through Hubble....the scientists themselves said this!

 Quoting: psyoptics


A gucking drive by shilling Psy!

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“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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[link to refreshingnews99.blogspot.in]
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This galaxy is so large, so fully-formed, astronomers say it shouldn't exist at all. It's called a "grand-design" spiral galaxy, and unlike most galaxies of its kind, this one is old. Like, really, really old. According to a new study conducted by researchers using NASA's Hubble Telescope, it dates back roughly 10.7-billion years — and that makes it the most ancient spiral galaxy we've ever discovered.

So every time someone spouts out this or that about things are this way or that.....

well what do we base how the universe works on?

how do we even begin to say how the universe was created?
just recently NASA has admitted there concept of how the surface of the sun functioned was completely wrong.
now they find a galaxy that breaks all the rules....this newly discovered galaxy should not exist.

yet there it is!
 Quoting: psyoptics


they see a faint flickering light and come to the conclusion its 10.7 billion years old...load of fucking shit!!!
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This is the stupidest, most ignorant thing I've read in my entire life.

Do you also not believe in computers because... electrical impulses and 1s and 0s let me see things on a fake screen and communicate with people thousands of miles away? Yeah right!

GMAFB.
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
I gucking hate titles like this. You take a completely legitimate topic and turn it into sensationalist drivel. While this is a valid discovery, to say that it is "so old... it should not exist" is pure garbage and deserving of the BS flags it gets.

I'll never understand why people feel the need to sensationalize or otherwise bend the truth to try to prove a point. We're all looking for the truth; there's no reason to add more noise.
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dude!
not my title or phrase...out of the month of the guys looking through Hubble....the scientists themselves said this!

 Quoting: psyoptics

Source?

I see "The fact that this galaxy exists is astounding".

I don't see "this galaxy shouldn't exist".

If you can't understand the difference, maybe you should let others post the articles.
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I gucking hate titles like this. You take a completely legitimate topic and turn it into sensationalist drivel. While this is a valid discovery, to say that it is "so old... it should not exist" is pure garbage and deserving of the BS flags it gets.

I'll never understand why people feel the need to sensationalize or otherwise bend the truth to try to prove a point. We're all looking for the truth; there's no reason to add more noise.
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Did you read the article noise boy, the op is using a statement made by astronomers, its not his personal rant. By the way who are you and what have you done but add more noise, AC 1487956!
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ac 1487956 been shadasonically served!

nice one shadasonic :)

now wake up to yourself 1487956 before you end up in the complete assmoran asylum for the rest of your life

how does one understand the need of muppets to defend their absurd models of reality in the realms of form? one finds better things to do... "should not exist" according to our current planet of the ape like models of existence (consciousness, energy, motion)

:greatday:
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I see "The fact that this galaxy exists is astounding".

I don't see "this galaxy shouldn't exist".

If you can't understand the difference, maybe you should let others post the articles.
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if you can't pull your head outta yo ass, maybe you should fuck off and die

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Interesting,...

Thank you for the post OP.




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I see "The fact that this galaxy exists is astounding".

I don't see "this galaxy shouldn't exist".

If you can't understand the difference, maybe you should let others post the articles.
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if you can't pull your head outta yo ass, maybe you should fuck off and die

peace
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Well played. Fight for "the truth" and "waking up" but tell people to guck off and die when they point out the lies and misinformation.

GMAFB.
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I gucking hate titles like this. You take a completely legitimate topic and turn it into sensationalist drivel. While this is a valid discovery, to say that it is "so old... it should not exist" is pure garbage and deserving of the BS flags it gets.

I'll never understand why people feel the need to sensationalize or otherwise bend the truth to try to prove a point. We're all looking for the truth; there's no reason to add more noise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1487956

dude!
not my title or phrase...out of the month of the guys looking through Hubble....the scientists themselves said this!

 Quoting: psyoptics

Source?

I see "The fact that this galaxy exists is astounding".

I don't see "this galaxy shouldn't exist".

If you can't understand the difference, maybe you should let others post the articles.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1487956

wow i have given 5 different sources and a news video. someone else gave the Nature article link.
you want me to hold your hand....
OK here

[link to www.youtube.com]

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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
the world is flat... no it is a sphere
the sun revolves around the earth... no the earth revolves around the sun
spiral galaxies that are very old shouldn't exist... etc.
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The Bible had it right from the beginning.

The earth is a circle (round) and it hangs upon nothing in the universe.

What a "coincidence" that the Bible happens to be Right and Right on these two points, instead of proclaiming some fantastic story about it riding on turtles or any other idea out of the endless amount of ideas that could have been proven an error through science by now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


You my friend know NOTHING about Jewish mythology, and the idea that the Bible talks about the world being "round". What a tool... they believed that the world was basically a snow globe type of structure, with pillars on the bottom holding it up from the "watery deep", and small "slits" at the top of this "snow globe" structure that allowed water and clouds to move in and out... you freaking bible thumpers are full of shit. Do some research, get an education, and learn something so you can speak as an informed person, making intelligent conversation!!!
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haha you think your intelligent mindlessly reciting made up "science" that gets changed every few years when the bible has stood alone in being provable? hahah
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[link to refreshingnews99.blogspot.in]
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This galaxy is so large, so fully-formed, astronomers say it shouldn't exist at all. It's called a "grand-design" spiral galaxy, and unlike most galaxies of its kind, this one is old. Like, really, really old. According to a new study conducted by researchers using NASA's Hubble Telescope, it dates back roughly 10.7-billion years — and that makes it the most ancient spiral galaxy we've ever discovered.

So every time someone spouts out this or that about things are this way or that.....

well what do we base how the universe works on?

how do we even begin to say how the universe was created?
just recently NASA has admitted there concept of how the surface of the sun functioned was completely wrong.
now they find a galaxy that breaks all the rules....this newly discovered galaxy should not exist.

yet there it is!
 Quoting: psyoptics


they see a faint flickering light and come to the conclusion its 10.7 billion years old...load of fucking shit!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23528889


all this shit they would have us believe is cast in cement is in truth at best inference. We don't know diddly.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.

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