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Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!

 
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
I see "The fact that this galaxy exists is astounding".

I don't see "this galaxy shouldn't exist".

If you can't understand the difference, maybe you should let others post the articles.
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if you can't pull your head outta yo ass, maybe you should fuck off and die

peace
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Well played. Fight for "the truth" and "waking up" but tell people to guck off and die when they point out the lies and misinformation.

GMAFB.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1487956


dude do you not get it i am not saying anything more then what the people who are using the high tech equipment are saying.
talk to NASA if you got issues.
i do have a love hate relationship with them....but this is all them here.
if it would make your AC butt happy i will take this thread down....heck no.......this is cool deal with it!
a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants.
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
Always been torn between the religion I knew growing up.. church on Sunday, young people's gatherings during the week.. and science.. which I've loved since I read my first science fiction.. '
The one would seem to preclude the other.

In my graying years I have come to know both in harmony.
I just leave organized religion out of it .. and I take my science with a side of skepticism..

It's all good..!
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
[link to refreshingnews99.blogspot.in]
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This galaxy is so large, so fully-formed, astronomers say it shouldn't exist at all. It's called a "grand-design" spiral galaxy, and unlike most galaxies of its kind, this one is old. Like, really, really old. According to a new study conducted by researchers using NASA's Hubble Telescope, it dates back roughly 10.7-billion years — and that makes it the most ancient spiral galaxy we've ever discovered.

So every time someone spouts out this or that about things are this way or that.....

well what do we base how the universe works on?

how do we even begin to say how the universe was created?
just recently NASA has admitted there concept of how the surface of the sun functioned was completely wrong.
now they find a galaxy that breaks all the rules....this newly discovered galaxy should not exist.

yet there it is!
 Quoting: psyoptics



they see a faint flickering light and come to the conclusion its 10.7 billion years old...load of fucking shit!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23528889

This is the stupidest, most ignorant thing I've read in my entire life.

Do you also not believe in computers because... electrical impulses and 1s and 0s let me see things on a fake screen and communicate with people thousands of miles away? Yeah right!

GMAFB.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1487956


READ up on Edwin Hubble, Physicists Paul Dirac,Carl Anderson, and Andrei Sakharov. They all worked on a simple theory of why there is something instead of nothing. Antimatter, Annihilation principles, the Majoron.

Read up on the differences between cosmic coincidence and anthropic principles. Why we have an entropic universe and the reason behind Heisenbergs uncertainty principle, and last but not least THE MANY WORLDS THEORY by Hugh Everett III. Then comeback with your simple GMAFB statement you simple minded covale!
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
I gucking hate titles like this. You take a completely legitimate topic and turn it into sensationalist drivel. While this is a valid discovery, to say that it is "so old... it should not exist" is pure garbage and deserving of the BS flags it gets.

I'll never understand why people feel the need to sensationalize or otherwise bend the truth to try to prove a point. We're all looking for the truth; there's no reason to add more noise.
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dude!
not my title or phrase...out of the month of the guys looking through Hubble....the scientists themselves said this!

 Quoting: psyoptics

Source?

I see "The fact that this galaxy exists is astounding".

I don't see "this galaxy shouldn't exist".

If you can't understand the difference, maybe you should let others post the articles.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1487956

wow i have given 5 different sources and a news video. someone else gave the Nature article link.
you want me to hold your hand....
OK here

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: psyoptics

To make a long rant short: No scientist says that this galaxy shouldn't exist.

They said they are surprised by it, astounded that it DOES exist, but never that it SHOULDN'T exist. "Sheeplefication" or "newsy" or whatever the guck that YouTube came from sensationalized it and you fed into it.
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
Always been torn between the religion I knew growing up.. church on Sunday, young people's gatherings during the week.. and science.. which I've loved since I read my first science fiction.. '
The one would seem to preclude the other.

In my graying years I have come to know both in harmony.
I just leave organized religion out of it .. and I take my science with a side of skepticism..

It's all good..!
 Quoting: Waterbug


Excellent post waterbug!
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
[link to refreshingnews99.blogspot.in]
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This galaxy is so large, so fully-formed, astronomers say it shouldn't exist at all. It's called a "grand-design" spiral galaxy, and unlike most galaxies of its kind, this one is old. Like, really, really old. According to a new study conducted by researchers using NASA's Hubble Telescope, it dates back roughly 10.7-billion years — and that makes it the most ancient spiral galaxy we've ever discovered.

So every time someone spouts out this or that about things are this way or that.....

well what do we base how the universe works on?

how do we even begin to say how the universe was created?
just recently NASA has admitted there concept of how the surface of the sun functioned was completely wrong.
now they find a galaxy that breaks all the rules....this newly discovered galaxy should not exist.

yet there it is!
 Quoting: psyoptics



these guys really have a problem understanding infinity.

EVERYTHING, including history, as in the light placed to denote ALL the distant planets was created by God---thats Jesus Christ, the infinite God.

when are they going to admit that just because the light is there doesn't mean so and so is X old---what is sure is God put the celestial bodies their with the required light to denote its proper proportion, distance and perspective in order to have the universe function ======duhhh!!!!!!!

yeah and so what if he created this huge explosion of celestial bodies, including light history in the blink of an eye.

still no proof of age.

how in the heck do these genius scientist know God didn't instantly expand that explosion to point xyz---including the dam light distance travel?

what!!!?--- you think God is going to create the stars and forget about putting in the light eh.

bloody Godless scientists

one solution or theory tends to introduce new questions about past theories and new things---this is how infinity works.

it will never end.

seculars--anything but God ---are
like a dumb animal chasing its tail.





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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
[link to refreshingnews99.blogspot.in]
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This galaxy is so large, so fully-formed, astronomers say it shouldn't exist at all. It's called a "grand-design" spiral galaxy, and unlike most galaxies of its kind, this one is old. Like, really, really old. According to a new study conducted by researchers using NASA's Hubble Telescope, it dates back roughly 10.7-billion years — and that makes it the most ancient spiral galaxy we've ever discovered.

So every time someone spouts out this or that about things are this way or that.....

well what do we base how the universe works on?

how do we even begin to say how the universe was created?
just recently NASA has admitted there concept of how the surface of the sun functioned was completely wrong.
now they find a galaxy that breaks all the rules....this newly discovered galaxy should not exist.

yet there it is!
 Quoting: psyoptics



they see a faint flickering light and come to the conclusion its 10.7 billion years old...load of fucking shit!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23528889

This is the stupidest, most ignorant thing I've read in my entire life.

Do you also not believe in computers because... electrical impulses and 1s and 0s let me see things on a fake screen and communicate with people thousands of miles away? Yeah right!

GMAFB.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1487956


READ up on Edwin Hubble, Physicists Paul Dirac,Carl Anderson, and Andrei Sakharov. They all worked on a simple theory of why there is something instead of nothing. Antimatter, Annihilation principles, the Majoron.

Read up on the differences between cosmic coincidence and anthropic principles. Why we have an entropic universe and the reason behind Heisenbergs uncertainty principle, and last but not least THE MANY WORLDS THEORY by Hugh Everett III. Then comeback with your simple GMAFB statement you simple minded covale!
 Quoting: shadasonic

What are you even defending? You attack me for not believing the truth that the OP is sensationalizing, then attack me again for condemning someone that brushes off the entire article because, hey, they don't understand how it works, so obviously it's all made up.

So much ignorance on this site.
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dude!
not my title or phrase...out of the month of the guys looking through Hubble....the scientists themselves said this!

 Quoting: psyoptics

Source?

I see "The fact that this galaxy exists is astounding".

I don't see "this galaxy shouldn't exist".

If you can't understand the difference, maybe you should let others post the articles.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1487956

wow i have given 5 different sources and a news video. someone else gave the Nature article link.
you want me to hold your hand....
OK here

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: psyoptics

To make a long rant short: No scientist says that this galaxy shouldn't exist.

They said they are surprised by it, astounded that it DOES exist, but never that it SHOULDN'T exist. "Sheeplefication" or "newsy" or whatever the guck that YouTube came from sensationalized it and you fed into it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1487956


And you're upset because you can't grasp it,ego sucks, but keep an open mind at least. We're all searching for the truth and Psyoptics is one of the best searchers out there. Everything 'they' give us has some truth to it ,discernment is the key! Peace AC,and good luck!
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
Always been torn between the religion I knew growing up.. church on Sunday, young people's gatherings during the week.. and science.. which I've loved since I read my first science fiction.. '
The one would seem to preclude the other.

In my graying years I have come to know both in harmony.
I just leave organized religion out of it .. and I take my science with a side of skepticism..

It's all good..!
 Quoting: Waterbug


as our knowledge of the universe grows we will learn some important thing about our modern religions...and our modern sciences.
just like at the birth of the Chaos Theory.....
there was a huge divide between math and physics...hard to believe today but this was the way then.
by blending these two areas through the work of an early pioneer of the theory, Edward Lorenz whose interest in chaos came about accidentally through his work on weather prediction in 1961 we ended up with the Chaos Theory.

the first book i read about Chaos stated the new marriage of math and physic would bring in the age of Chaos....true knowledge would not come until science as a whole can blend with religion.

sorry to say from what i have read here today we humans might be sometime away from that marriage.

Last Edited by psyoptics on 09/10/2012 11:12 PM
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they see a faint flickering light and come to the conclusion its 10.7 billion years old...load of fucking shit!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23528889

This is the stupidest, most ignorant thing I've read in my entire life.

Do you also not believe in computers because... electrical impulses and 1s and 0s let me see things on a fake screen and communicate with people thousands of miles away? Yeah right!

GMAFB.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1487956


READ up on Edwin Hubble, Physicists Paul Dirac,Carl Anderson, and Andrei Sakharov. They all worked on a simple theory of why there is something instead of nothing. Antimatter, Annihilation principles, the Majoron.

Read up on the differences between cosmic coincidence and anthropic principles. Why we have an entropic universe and the reason behind Heisenbergs uncertainty principle, and last but not least THE MANY WORLDS THEORY by Hugh Everett III. Then comeback with your simple GMAFB statement you simple minded covale!
 Quoting: shadasonic

What are you even defending? You attack me for not believing the truth that the OP is sensationalizing, then attack me again for condemning someone that brushes off the entire article because, hey, they don't understand how it works, so obviously it's all made up.

So much ignorance on this site.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1487956


Get over it.. This isn't the Harvard Press.
What is in a thread title..? Who gives a shit..?
It is the people who post which makes a thread.
And besides, you are way off topic.
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
..NASA?...doesn't every one on here think they faked the Moon landing, rockets can't work in space?...it's all Hollywood? Why on Earth, or any other planet,believe anything from NASA?...I do...and WOW...
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Source?

I see "The fact that this galaxy exists is astounding".

I don't see "this galaxy shouldn't exist".

If you can't understand the difference, maybe you should let others post the articles.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1487956

wow i have given 5 different sources and a news video. someone else gave the Nature article link.
you want me to hold your hand....
OK here

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: psyoptics

To make a long rant short: No scientist says that this galaxy shouldn't exist.

They said they are surprised by it, astounded that it DOES exist, but never that it SHOULDN'T exist. "Sheeplefication" or "newsy" or whatever the guck that YouTube came from sensationalized it and you fed into it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1487956


And you're upset because you can't grasp it,ego sucks, but keep an open mind at least. We're all searching for the truth and Psyoptics is one of the best searchers out there. Everything 'they' give us has some truth to it ,discernment is the key! Peace AC,and good luck!
 Quoting: shadasonic

LOL you're taking my comments completely wrong.

I don't have any problem with the possibility that the galaxy exists.

I do have a problem with the sensationalistic nature of "news" these days that takes a rational topic and twists it to make it more appeal, get more hits/views, etc.

Why does it have to be "RETHINK EVERYTHING! THIS CANNOT BE OMGOMGOMG!!!!!!!"? Why can't it just be "10.7 Billion-Year-Old Galaxy Discovered, Oldest Ever Found"?

The whole point of science is to test hypotheses and revise your understanding. If you're going into it with a firm bias, you're doing it wrong.
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This is the stupidest, most ignorant thing I've read in my entire life.

Do you also not believe in computers because... electrical impulses and 1s and 0s let me see things on a fake screen and communicate with people thousands of miles away? Yeah right!

GMAFB.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1487956


READ up on Edwin Hubble, Physicists Paul Dirac,Carl Anderson, and Andrei Sakharov. They all worked on a simple theory of why there is something instead of nothing. Antimatter, Annihilation principles, the Majoron.

Read up on the differences between cosmic coincidence and anthropic principles. Why we have an entropic universe and the reason behind Heisenbergs uncertainty principle, and last but not least THE MANY WORLDS THEORY by Hugh Everett III. Then comeback with your simple GMAFB statement you simple minded covale!
 Quoting: shadasonic

What are you even defending? You attack me for not believing the truth that the OP is sensationalizing, then attack me again for condemning someone that brushes off the entire article because, hey, they don't understand how it works, so obviously it's all made up.

So much ignorance on this site.
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Get over it.. This isn't the Harvard Press.
What is in a thread title..? Who gives a shit..?
It is the people who post which makes a thread.
And besides, you are way off topic.
 Quoting: Waterbug

Thread titles are like newspaper headlines. They're a short, concise summary of the article/post.

If you're tainting the way people look at the content before they even see it, the resulting discussion is inherently biased.
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they see a faint flickering light and come to the conclusion its 10.7 billion years old...load of fucking shit!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23528889

This is the stupidest, most ignorant thing I've read in my entire life.

Do you also not believe in computers because... electrical impulses and 1s and 0s let me see things on a fake screen and communicate with people thousands of miles away? Yeah right!

GMAFB.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1487956


READ up on Edwin Hubble, Physicists Paul Dirac,Carl Anderson, and Andrei Sakharov. They all worked on a simple theory of why there is something instead of nothing. Antimatter, Annihilation principles, the Majoron.

Read up on the differences between cosmic coincidence and anthropic principles. Why we have an entropic universe and the reason behind Heisenbergs uncertainty principle, and last but not least THE MANY WORLDS THEORY by Hugh Everett III. Then comeback with your simple GMAFB statement you simple minded covale!
 Quoting: shadasonic

What are you even defending? You attack me for not believing the truth that the OP is sensationalizing, then attack me again for condemning someone that brushes off the entire article because, hey, they don't understand how it works, so obviously it's all made up.

So much ignorance on this site.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1487956


I'm defending the OP a good friend and adept study, the whole theory behind the other worlds postulation,and other readers that may be persuaded by someone who hasn't taken the needed time to 'try' and understand it. This isn't the space and time correlation done in five minutes, this is slowly taking in bits and pieces of whats given over years to somehow wrap our minds around a multiverse that at this point has no truth. For you to come out and brazenly throw a tirade because its all bullshit doesn't sit well with me, thats beyond childish. You aren't even trying to understand because you're frustrated that it makes no sense to you!
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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This is the stupidest, most ignorant thing I've read in my entire life.

Do you also not believe in computers because... electrical impulses and 1s and 0s let me see things on a fake screen and communicate with people thousands of miles away? Yeah right!

GMAFB.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1487956


READ up on Edwin Hubble, Physicists Paul Dirac,Carl Anderson, and Andrei Sakharov. They all worked on a simple theory of why there is something instead of nothing. Antimatter, Annihilation principles, the Majoron.

Read up on the differences between cosmic coincidence and anthropic principles. Why we have an entropic universe and the reason behind Heisenbergs uncertainty principle, and last but not least THE MANY WORLDS THEORY by Hugh Everett III. Then comeback with your simple GMAFB statement you simple minded covale!
 Quoting: shadasonic

What are you even defending? You attack me for not believing the truth that the OP is sensationalizing, then attack me again for condemning someone that brushes off the entire article because, hey, they don't understand how it works, so obviously it's all made up.

So much ignorance on this site.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1487956


I'm defending the OP a good friend and adept study, the whole theory behind the other worlds postulation,and other readers that may be persuaded by someone who hasn't taken the needed time to 'try' and understand it. This isn't the space and time correlation done in five minutes, this is slowly taking in bits and pieces of whats given over years to somehow wrap our minds around a multiverse that at this point has no truth. For you to come out and brazenly throw a tirade because its all bullshit doesn't sit well with me, thats beyond childish. You aren't even trying to understand because you're frustrated that it makes no sense to you!
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When did I ever say it makes no sense to me? Talk about childish.
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Thread titles are like newspaper headlines. They're a short, concise summary of the article/post.


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Like this..?

Thread: fart smell in central coast california (calling fartworkers again.)

Thread: Calling FARTWORKERS! A FARTING PLACE

Thread: My girlfriend randomly yelled "Smell What the Rock Is Cookin'" and then Farted In my Face...

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Thread: Anybody Know where The Fart Workers Went? ! I'm looking For A Farting Place!

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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
so here you go AC 1487956
your time to shine....
what can you add to this thread.
what do you think about all the posts...the articles...
the images of this new galaxy.


this is a galaxy which just might...opps...your turn....
a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants.
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time for water on a duck shadasonic
a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants.
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READ up on Edwin Hubble, Physicists Paul Dirac,Carl Anderson, and Andrei Sakharov. They all worked on a simple theory of why there is something instead of nothing. Antimatter, Annihilation principles, the Majoron.

Read up on the differences between cosmic coincidence and anthropic principles. Why we have an entropic universe and the reason behind Heisenbergs uncertainty principle, and last but not least THE MANY WORLDS THEORY by Hugh Everett III. Then comeback with your simple GMAFB statement you simple minded covale!
 Quoting: shadasonic

What are you even defending? You attack me for not believing the truth that the OP is sensationalizing, then attack me again for condemning someone that brushes off the entire article because, hey, they don't understand how it works, so obviously it's all made up.

So much ignorance on this site.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1487956


I'm defending the OP a good friend and adept study, the whole theory behind the other worlds postulation,and other readers that may be persuaded by someone who hasn't taken the needed time to 'try' and understand it. This isn't the space and time correlation done in five minutes, this is slowly taking in bits and pieces of whats given over years to somehow wrap our minds around a multiverse that at this point has no truth. For you to come out and brazenly throw a tirade because its all bullshit doesn't sit well with me, thats beyond childish. You aren't even trying to understand because you're frustrated that it makes no sense to you!
 Quoting: shadasonic

When did I ever say it makes no sense to me? Talk about childish.
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You have added NOTHING to validate,except you don't like sensationalistic journalism
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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time for water on a duck shadasonic
 Quoting: psyoptics


Gotcha
Excellent thread again, I'm off to hunt GRBs

Last Edited by shadahoochie on 09/10/2012 11:26 PM
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
so, a blog with no backing, or other 'official' links or sources that can be checked, and you feel that since it's on the internet it's true?
 Quoting: The Wretched

so go buy the next issue of Nature...that is where the whole thing will be.
i am sure NASA will have this on the sites soon as well.
 Quoting: psyoptics

here are more links and pics
[link to www.space.com]
[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]
[link to www.npr.org]
 Quoting: psyoptics

The Universe is truly the greatest mystery. It's like the gift that keeps on giving. I just love it. No matter how much we think we understand, God just winks and says, "Surprise!"
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
Also there are new possible theories/evidence of our world actually not being created from a big bang...

From one of Australia's biggest news sites...

[link to news.ninemsn.com.au]

Which would line up with scripture;

Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

And then quoting from the article

"The reason we use the water analogy is water is without form.

"In the beginning there wasn't even space, space did not exist because there was no form.""

And their reference to the universe being created from water...

And the bible was written so long before all this scientific knowledge was even known....

Though I do understand discoveries like this come and go... so may not be "proven" to be so. Just thought what they had to say was interesting if it does come to be so...
 Quoting: Sharing

thank you for this link. i have booked it and will read later.
i like what i read.
i never did really think the big bang idea held the water.

i will think about the time before things cools and crystallizes

i am thinking humans just need things to be explosive. i would much rather believe things cool....yah!
the universe just chilled out!
a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants.
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
so, a blog with no backing, or other 'official' links or sources that can be checked, and you feel that since it's on the internet it's true?
 Quoting: The Wretched

so go buy the next issue of Nature...that is where the whole thing will be.
i am sure NASA will have this on the sites soon as well.
 Quoting: psyoptics

here are more links and pics
[link to www.space.com]
[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]
[link to www.npr.org]
 Quoting: psyoptics

The Universe is truly the greatest mystery. It's like the gift that keeps on giving. I just love it. No matter how much we think we understand, God just winks and says, "Surprise!"
 Quoting: Éireann


hf
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
Also there are new possible theories/evidence of our world actually not being created from a big bang...

From one of Australia's biggest news sites...

[link to news.ninemsn.com.au]

Which would line up with scripture;

Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

And then quoting from the article

"The reason we use the water analogy is water is without form.

"In the beginning there wasn't even space, space did not exist because there was no form.""

And their reference to the universe being created from water...

And the bible was written so long before all this scientific knowledge was even known....

Though I do understand discoveries like this come and go... so may not be "proven" to be so. Just thought what they had to say was interesting if it does come to be so...
 Quoting: Sharing

thank you for this link. i have booked it and will read later.
i like what i read.
i never did really think the big bang idea held the water.

i will think about the time before things cools and crystallizes

i am thinking humans just need things to be explosive. i would much rather believe things cool....yah!
the universe just chilled out!
 Quoting: psyoptics


Thats funny , I had a Physics prof. tell me there was no big bang it all started with a little poof. He said the big bang would have provided way to much Helium and not enough Hydrogen,it did just chill into being(personal belief).

It riles them to believe you perceive the web they weave- Moody Blues
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
Éireann
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
Also there are new possible theories/evidence of our world actually not being created from a big bang...

From one of Australia's biggest news sites...

[link to news.ninemsn.com.au]

Which would line up with scripture;

Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

And then quoting from the article

"The reason we use the water analogy is water is without form.

"In the beginning there wasn't even space, space did not exist because there was no form.""

And their reference to the universe being created from water...

And the bible was written so long before all this scientific knowledge was even known....

Though I do understand discoveries like this come and go... so may not be "proven" to be so. Just thought what they had to say was interesting if it does come to be so...
 Quoting: Sharing

thank you for this link. i have booked it and will read later.
i like what i read.
i never did really think the big bang idea held the water.

i will think about the time before things cools and crystallizes

i am thinking humans just need things to be explosive. i would much rather believe things cool....yah!
the universe just chilled out!
 Quoting: psyoptics

This is a very cool theory. Definitely something for me to ponder over. Thanks for posting this, Sharing :)

Great thread, psyoptics. I've enjoyed reading all of the links and posts. Very thought provoking.
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
I do not give negative Karma. I believe that all opinions are worthy of debate and discussion. Free speech is essential to the growth and advancement of each individual and all of Humankind.
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
If the Great Creator is eternal (which I believe Him to be) then it's only logic that so is His creation.


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"Great Creator" WTF are you smoking?
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He's probably smoking whatever weed that makes one think with reason and intelligence. A fine watch with intricate workings only works because a "watch maker" put it together. It does not work because someone blew it up with a stick of dynamite and all the parts came back together just right.
"I like Sub Commanders. They don't have time for bullshit, neither do I." (Franklin Roosevelt)
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
...

What are you even defending? You attack me for not believing the truth that the OP is sensationalizing, then attack me again for condemning someone that brushes off the entire article because, hey, they don't understand how it works, so obviously it's all made up.

So much ignorance on this site.
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I'm defending the OP a good friend and adept study, the whole theory behind the other worlds postulation,and other readers that may be persuaded by someone who hasn't taken the needed time to 'try' and understand it. This isn't the space and time correlation done in five minutes, this is slowly taking in bits and pieces of whats given over years to somehow wrap our minds around a multiverse that at this point has no truth. For you to come out and brazenly throw a tirade because its all bullshit doesn't sit well with me, thats beyond childish. You aren't even trying to understand because you're frustrated that it makes no sense to you!
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When did I ever say it makes no sense to me? Talk about childish.
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You have added NOTHING to validate,except you don't like sensationalistic journalism
 Quoting: shadasonic

Sometimes someone needs to say something like that or you get threads like this filled with biased, stubborn peeps.
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"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."


No re-thinking necessary at all.
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Re: Time to rethink our Universe......Hubble has now discovered a galaxy that is so old and well formed, it should not exist!
The answers are in our dreams. That is, when we've relieved our conciousness from the psycological and emotional aspects of this boring, working world we live in............

Our dream states take flight.
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[link to refreshingnews99.blogspot.in]
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This galaxy is so large, so fully-formed, astronomers say it shouldn't exist at all. It's called a "grand-design" spiral galaxy, and unlike most galaxies of its kind, this one is old. Like, really, really old. According to a new study conducted by researchers using NASA's Hubble Telescope, it dates back roughly 10.7-billion years — and that makes it the most ancient spiral galaxy we've ever discovered.

So every time someone spouts out this or that about things are this way or that.....

well what do we base how the universe works on?

how do we even begin to say how the universe was created?
just recently NASA has admitted there concept of how the surface of the sun functioned was completely wrong.
now they find a galaxy that breaks all the rules....this newly discovered galaxy should not exist.

yet there it is!
 Quoting: psyoptics


I suppose if I told you I had the answer, you would call me a liar...

So =/

This is good news for man kind!!!
 Quoting: Prophet.



well whats the answer..I'm game

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