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Why does *Obama* keep peddling a message...Parents cannot afford to send there kids to college?????

 
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Why does *Obama* keep peddling a message...Parents cannot afford to send there kids to college?????
Sick of hearing this!

So what!

Maybe if that child had an opportunity in school to learn about working in trade industries, and taking courses like:

1. Horticulture- (Farming)

2. Metal Classes

3. Woodshop Classes

4. Automotive Classes

5. Home Economics Classes


He or she might want to start there careers off in trades like:

Plumbers

Electricians

Chefs

Farmers

Carpenters

Auto Mechanics


I know many people, even in my own family and circle of friends that sent there kids to college, and those kids are now out of college sitting around there parents house, broke with no job....

They don't know how to do anything, they did not go to College for a career that demands a College Education like a Doctor, Lawyer, Teacher, Engineer, they just went..

Now the parents are 60 70K in debt...

If you do not know what it is to work before you get to College, you won't know after you are out either...
Susie

For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.....Matthew 6:21
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Re: Why does *Obama* keep peddling a message...Parents cannot afford to send there kids to college?????
Back when I was in high school we had wood shop, car mechanics shop, beauty school and even CNA training. Probably other things too, that's all I can remember.

School was actually useful back then.
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Back when I was in high school we had wood shop, car mechanics shop, beauty school and even CNA training. Probably other things too, that's all I can remember.

School was actually useful back then.
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Exactly Lisa!

I remember going on Field Trips in elementary school actually doing work on Farms in California it was part of the horticulture class...

Had sewing class, cooking class, even a class where you could learn about making glass...

Teaching kids the value of work....
Susie

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Re: Why does *Obama* keep peddling a message...Parents cannot afford to send there kids to college?????
no shit OP its a scam the whole system is fucked. they just want kids to go to college for the :

med field
bussiness field
science field
communications/tech/media field
basically.


there aint no jobs just more debt.

wake up
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no shit OP its a scam the whole system is fucked. they just want kids to go to college for the :

med field
bussiness field
science field
communications/tech/media field
basically.


there aint no jobs just more debt.

wake up
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Well Obozo is always talking about his Shovel, Roads and Bridges jobs, while he stands at the Podium with his drivel message...

**Poor Parents sitting around the Kitchen Table wondering how they can send Johnny to College....**


Since Obama never ever has had a job except opening his pie hole...
Susie

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... because he wants people to think they need the government's help with everything. Without dependency or at least the perception of need, socialist programs hold no sway over popular opinion.

For states, it's outright blackmail because if they take the government subsidy, they are subject to the federal requirements for that money. The more you take, the more you are dependent, the less freedom you have, and the more control the federal government has over every aspect of your life.

That's why.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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wake up to real politics Susie. they are all programmed cyborgs.
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wake up to real politics Susie. they are all programmed cyborgs.
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they are all programmed cyborgs.
That attract flies!
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... because he wants people to think they need the government's help with everything. Without dependency or at least the perception of need, socialist programs hold no sway over popular opinion.

For states, it's outright blackmail because if they take the government subsidy, they are subject to the federal requirements for that money. The more you take, the more you are dependent, the less freedom you have, and the more control the federal government has over every aspect of your life.

That's why.
 Quoting: Resister


And that is just what OBAMA is all about! yet people will still vote him into office....unbelieveable!
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Lol...seems like none of you tards graduated from highschool.
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... because he wants people to think they need the government's help with everything. Without dependency or at least the perception of need, socialist programs hold no sway over popular opinion.

For states, it's outright blackmail because if they take the government subsidy, they are subject to the federal requirements for that money. The more you take, the more you are dependent, the less freedom you have, and the more control the federal government has over every aspect of your life.

That's why.
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And that is just what OBAMA is all about! yet people will still vote him into office....unbelieveable!
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Useful idiots have a long history of cheering their leader right up until the time they are lined up and shot by the guy they blindly followed.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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Re: Why does *Obama* keep peddling a message...Parents cannot afford to send there kids to college?????
GREAT post!!

this is SO true. these should be taught in high school, imo! if a child wants to take this route, the courses should be offered!

that way, whatever they decide, they will at least have a start! good skills are priceless!
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Lol...seems like none of you tards graduated from highschool.
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Went to nursing school and I worked to pay for it....
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In my hometown skilled tradesmen (plumbers and electricians) are refusing to train young people during the economic downturn. Word is, they're afraid to train a new guy and then have him go off and start his own business and become their competition... adding to their recession woes.

Go figure, right.
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GREAT post!!

this is SO true. these should be taught in high school, imo! if a child wants to take this route, the courses should be offered!

that way, whatever they decide, they will at least have a start! good skills are priceless!
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I have never seen so many kids under 20 that do not know how to do anything! NOTHING that requires working with your hands....
Susie

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College costs are another attack against the middle class family. Poor people get aid to go to college free. Rich can afford it easily. It is the middle class that are told they have to go to college in order to be a success. So they get loans and do what ever they have to so they can send their kids to college. They are left with debt and very little guidance on how to survive in the world after college.
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Lol...seems like none of you tards graduated from highschool.
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Highschool 1987
College 1992

Entered the workforce at 15 in the summer 1984 to save up money for car insurance and gas and worked each summer after that until my Jr year of college when I was able to work nights all year long. Been employeed ever since.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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... because he wants people to think they need the government's help with everything. Without dependency or at least the perception of need, socialist programs hold no sway over popular opinion.

For states, it's outright blackmail because if they take the government subsidy, they are subject to the federal requirements for that money. The more you take, the more you are dependent, the less freedom you have, and the more control the federal government has over every aspect of your life.

That's why.
 Quoting: Resister


And that is just what OBAMA is all about! yet people will still vote him into office....unbelieveable!
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Obama is about NOTHIng, He is run by a computer. The several of them are cyborgs and if Romney is not yet a cyborg, he will be.
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Re: Why does *Obama* keep peddling a message...Parents cannot afford to send there kids to college?????
In my hometown skilled tradesmen (plumbers and electricians) are refusing to train young people during the economic downturn. Word is, they're afraid to train a new guy and then have him go off and start his own business and become their competition... adding to their recession woes.

Go figure, right.
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Well, this is certainly true. No one wants to train their OWN replacement! Having said that, however, I believe the reason the schools don't offer vocational training any more is a lot of "out-sourcing," and the gov't wants MORE people taking out loans (as in school loans) so more people are slaves to the gov't.

Not everyone needs to be a doctor or nurse, or lawyer, but everyone needs to know how to do something. Hell, even a carpenter can learn stuff at a trade school to help his chosen profession, but N-O-O!!! Let's have everyone take out thousands and thousands of $$ in school loans to become - ??? Something there is not going to be a need of in 5-10 years?
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In my hometown skilled tradesmen (plumbers and electricians) are refusing to train young people during the economic downturn. Word is, they're afraid to train a new guy and then have him go off and start his own business and become their competition... adding to their recession woes.

Go figure, right.
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That is shameful! My Dad was a Tile Contractor and he taught my brothers how to do this kind of work when they were about 13, they did not want to do this kind of work as adults, however my one brother who wanted to be a Big Shot Real Estate Agent went back to doing tile work when the real estate market fell....
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Sick of hearing this!

So what!

Maybe if that child had an opportunity in school to learn about working in trade industries, and taking courses like:

1. Horticulture- (Farming)

2. Metal Classes

3. Woodshop Classes

4. Automotive Classes

5. Home Economics Classes


He or she might want to start there careers off in trades like:

Plumbers

Electricians

Chefs

Farmers

Carpenters

Auto Mechanics


I know many people, even in my own family and circle of friends that sent there kids to college, and those kids are now out of college sitting around there parents house, broke with no job....

They don't know how to do anything, they did not go to College for a career that demands a College Education like a Doctor, Lawyer, Teacher, Engineer, they just went..

Now the parents are 60 70K in debt...

If you do not know what it is to work before you get to College, you won't know after you are out either...
 Quoting: christian


Most of the Corporate and Bureaucratic professionals (doctors, lawyers, teachers, engineers, etc.) are either directly or indirectly being subsidized by the Government. The remaining ones who aren't, are jobless.

The construction industry, artists, and agriculture are also heavily subsidized. But that only benefits the top echelon; ordinary laborers / employees get too little.

Kids are being encouraged to go to college, by suggesting that if they do so, they will not have to do any real physical, manual labor (like plumbers, farmers, carpenters, chefs, etc. -- most of whom are dreadfully underpaid, btw). Kids are led to believe that buying a college degree will save them from ever having to break a sweat. Those college degrees only benefit the banks and colleges / universities and their overpaid staffs.
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Re: Why does *Obama* keep peddling a message...Parents cannot afford to send there kids to college?????
.."most" people have no need to attend a 4yr college...but the message is that you MUST go or else you will be unemployable...in addition, you have 100's thousands of new consumers of education and the price spirals ...so now you have kids getting deeply in debt for a piece of paper which "most" of them will find useless in finding employment..vocational schools provide real training/education for all the jobs listed in the newspaper..I am not discounting the social interaction and growth that occurs nor the new avenues a young person might come across...but be realistic and unless you have the bucks, or daddy does, Junior College, State College or vocational...and find a area you enjoy not just the $$$ or travel etc etc...
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Sick of hearing this!

So what!

Maybe if that child had an opportunity in school to learn about working in trade industries, and taking courses like:

1. Horticulture- (Farming)

2. Metal Classes

3. Woodshop Classes

4. Automotive Classes

5. Home Economics Classes


He or she might want to start there careers off in trades like:

Plumbers

Electricians

Chefs

Farmers

Carpenters

Auto Mechanics


I know many people, even in my own family and circle of friends that sent there kids to college, and those kids are now out of college sitting around there parents house, broke with no job....

They don't know how to do anything, they did not go to College for a career that demands a College Education like a Doctor, Lawyer, Teacher, Engineer, they just went..

Now the parents are 60 70K in debt...

If you do not know what it is to work before you get to College, you won't know after you are out either...
 Quoting: christian


Most of the Corporate and Bureaucratic professionals (doctors, lawyers, teachers, engineers, etc.) are either directly or indirectly being subsidized by the Government. The remaining ones who aren't, are jobless.

The construction industry, artists, and agriculture are also heavily subsidized. But that only benefits the top echelon; ordinary laborers / employees get too little.

Kids are being encouraged to go to college, by suggesting that if they do so, they will not have to do any real physical, manual labor (like plumbers, farmers, carpenters, chefs, etc. -- most of whom are dreadfully underpaid, btw). Kids are led to believe that buying a college degree will save them from ever having to break a sweat. Those college degrees only benefit the banks and colleges / universities and their overpaid staffs.
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You are sure right about that!

My cousins daughter and her friends all graduating college want to work in Tatoo Parlors, because they say: That is the Job of the Future??? WHO KNEW!
Susie

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Sick of hearing this!

So what!

Maybe if that child had an opportunity in school to learn about working in trade industries, and taking courses like:

1. Horticulture- (Farming)

2. Metal Classes

3. Woodshop Classes

4. Automotive Classes

5. Home Economics Classes


He or she might want to start there careers off in trades like:

Plumbers

Electricians

Chefs

Farmers

Carpenters

Auto Mechanics


I know many people, even in my own family and circle of friends that sent there kids to college, and those kids are now out of college sitting around there parents house, broke with no job....

They don't know how to do anything, they did not go to College for a career that demands a College Education like a Doctor, Lawyer, Teacher, Engineer, they just went..

Now the parents are 60 70K in debt...

If you do not know what it is to work before you get to College, you won't know after you are out either...
 Quoting: christian


Most of the Corporate and Bureaucratic professionals (doctors, lawyers, teachers, engineers, etc.) are either directly or indirectly being subsidized by the Government. The remaining ones who aren't, are jobless.

The construction industry, artists, and agriculture are also heavily subsidized. But that only benefits the top echelon; ordinary laborers / employees get too little.

Kids are being encouraged to go to college, by suggesting that if they do so, they will not have to do any real physical, manual labor (like plumbers, farmers, carpenters, chefs, etc. -- most of whom are dreadfully underpaid, btw). Kids are led to believe that buying a college degree will save them from ever having to break a sweat. Those college degrees only benefit the banks and colleges / universities and their overpaid staffs.
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But see, that's only part of the bigger picture. TPTB want America to be a low-wage service industry country that spends like crazy. But it's hard to have it both ways (especially if the credit market collapses and the food stamp program is cut).
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Children are being indoctrinated to believe that there is something ~shameful about working with their hands or doing physical labor of any kind. And since it's so clear to everyone that laborers are grossly underpaid anyway -- who would want that? You can hardly blame them.

If Corporatism was abolished along with all the favoritism, lobbying, government and discrimination that goes with it; and the Bureaucracy was trimmed down to only what is absolutely necessary (probably around 10% of what we now have) -- there would be lots of resources left to 1) balance the National budget; and 2) allow Individual citizens to compete fairly in the Free Market / Free Enterprise system of economy. A lot of people would learn skills and become self-employed.
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Children are being indoctrinated to believe that there is something ~shameful about working with their hands or doing physical labor of any kind. And since it's so clear to everyone that laborers are grossly underpaid anyway -- who would want that? You can hardly blame them.

If Corporatism was abolished along with all the favoritism, lobbying, government and discrimination that goes with it; and the Bureaucracy was trimmed down to only what is absolutely necessary (probably around 10% of what we now have) -- there would be lots of resources left to 1) balance the National budget; and 2) allow Individual citizens to compete fairly in the Free Market / Free Enterprise system of economy. A lot of people would learn skills and become self-employed.
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I hardly think a Journeyman Electrician or Plumber is under-paid, but if they work for themselves the govvie makes it very hard to keep most of your own hard earned money....

That is what puts many of these folks out of buisness...
Susie

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Journeyman Electricians...

After completing an apprenticeship, electricians earned average salaries of $49,890 in May 2008, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. The highest paid 10 percent of electricians earned as much as $79,420
Susie

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Well, Obama is certainly right about this. Too bad he's too stupid to know that he's the reason why so many kids/parents can't afford college. Since government (the common taxpayer) now backs student loans, and student loans can't be discharged, loans are made to everyone who seeks to attend college, even if these individuals have no way of paying the loan back. This causes tuition rates to increase because you have more demand for college attendance and still only a finite number of colleges. As a result, college becomes more expensive and the value of a college education declines. If you want to stop college tuition from rising, end government backed loans and then the banks won't make loans to those that can't repay them.

And to anyone that disagrees with my assessment, do you ever wonder how the baby boomers and older generations managed to graduate from college with little or no debt? Most jobs don't require college degrees and there's plenty of trades one can learn to earn a decent living.

I do know that we're in a depression, however, and most jobs are low paying. All the more reason to skip college (going in to debt) and start waiting tables at 18.
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97% can not afford to go to college.

70% are not college material.

Tired of lowering standards.
Who is John Galt?
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Sick of hearing this!

So what!

Maybe if that child had an opportunity in school to learn about working in trade industries, and taking courses like:

1. Horticulture- (Farming)

2. Metal Classes

3. Woodshop Classes

4. Automotive Classes

5. Home Economics Classes


He or she might want to start there careers off in trades like:

Plumbers

Electricians

Chefs

Farmers

Carpenters

Auto Mechanics


I know many people, even in my own family and circle of friends that sent there kids to college, and those kids are now out of college sitting around there parents house, broke with no job....

They don't know how to do anything, they did not go to College for a career that demands a College Education like a Doctor, Lawyer, Teacher, Engineer, they just went..

Now the parents are 60 70K in debt...

If you do not know what it is to work before you get to College, you won't know after you are out either...
 Quoting: christian


Most of the Corporate and Bureaucratic professionals (doctors, lawyers, teachers, engineers, etc.) are either directly or indirectly being subsidized by the Government. The remaining ones who aren't, are jobless.

The construction industry, artists, and agriculture are also heavily subsidized. But that only benefits the top echelon; ordinary laborers / employees get too little.

Kids are being encouraged to go to college, by suggesting that if they do so, they will not have to do any real physical, manual labor (like plumbers, farmers, carpenters, chefs, etc. -- most of whom are dreadfully underpaid, btw). Kids are led to believe that buying a college degree will save them from ever having to break a sweat. Those college degrees only benefit the banks and colleges / universities and their overpaid staffs.
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But see, that's only part of the bigger picture. TPTB want America to be a low-wage service industry country that spends like crazy. But it's hard to have it both ways (especially if the credit market collapses and the food stamp program is cut).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18768713


The economy has already collapsed and food stamps cut... we just haven't heard the sound of the crash, yet. TPTB are just dragging their feet, hoping that we'll die (or, ~enough us will) before they have to finally ~do anything about it. People are dying, to feed Corporatism and Bureaucracy.

Some of those kids who are fortunate enough to have college educations but are not working now, have family to lean on for awhile; but that support system can't last forever.
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the scholarships are mostly for the muslim brotherhood.....

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