Christians Avoid Certain Bible Passages

The link is Luke 12:47. It comes right from your bible. Read your own bible. Jesus says to beat slaves. I've backed up my claim with your source. Read it and try to tell me Jesus wasn't saying beat your slaves.

I'm a Christian. How dare you bring up biblical text at this ungodly hour. What is wrong with you. Go back to bed. We have bigger crickets to fry ok. We are all stocked up on crazy here...go sell it somewhere else. (hehe...snicker...)

In other words, you're tired of defending the evil advise of the bible such as Luke 12:47 where Jesus tells is to beat slaves. You can not. So I ask you once again to turn to the European God. The God of our fathers and mothers. Not this Roman Jesus. You have been lied to, a slave of an invader god.

Then do something about it. You scared bro?

The link I showed shows more than the holes in evolution - it shows the lies the top academic people go to to hide the truth and teach falsehoods. Well I think it does from memory. My computer connection is so slow here atm and would take a long time to load for me to double check but I am pretty sure it does. So take away all the holes and big problems with the theory of evolution itself and just look at how bias the scientific community is. They are more bias and deceitful than many know and realise. There is more to what they do than just shown in this article.

Regarding animals talking - I believe God gave the pet speech through the help of the Holy Spirit but regardless how it was done you cannot deny that some animals can talk - parrots can talk. Some dogs/cats can say one word. Not sure if they know what that word means! haha but they can it sounds like it! There is that dog that was in the news lately that knew 1000 words. If God is true how can you say He could not make a donkey talk? He can do anything He wants to do. If He wanted to make the world and everything in it all pink for one day He could. If He created us He could and can do anything... so why would you question the miraculous things if you simply do not believe in God in the first place? That doesn't make sense to me. There either is a God or there isn't. Explaining how miraculous things happen then is mute. Because if there is a God He can do whatever He please however He likes. Especially if He created you and me from dust and breathed life into us. Why could God who created the universe and set the sun and the stars in the sky not be able to halt His own creation?

A good search on the internet will explain the verses regarding cannibalism. To start [link to www.gotquestions.org] - to say that God says for people to eat their children is sorely mistaken and the scripture misunderstood and taken out of context. Would need to do further research to explain more but it is there for the finding if you truly wanted to find out for yourself. It is past midnight here so I have to go soon if not after this post! But maybe later if no one else addresses that issue for you I will later...

so how can Jesus say beat the slave but also love even your enemies?

in exodus there are laws about slaves too, and strange too.
i don't think that all the words in the bible are God's words, wherever is an "economic" gain or issue I presume in general it is the words of man.

Many of you are missing the point regarding context.

You cannot pick up a book - no matter what book it is. And read a few sentences and say this is the end all or be all. Those sentences always need to be looked at in context. They may be sentences from a poem the author is quoting, nothing to do with the character! Or they may be a prediction for the future not a judgment given. Or you may read a line that says a character was wearing mans pants so you say they must be a male! But in fact the next few lines you didn't look at show it was a female who had to wear those clothes for a play! If you lose context you lose meaning.

There are good examples of taking things out of context using the Harry Potter books as an example - will have to find them later. Something like if you read just such and such line and no other parts of the book you would think Harry was just a broom or something like that.

Many of you are also forgetting the point I made regarding the movie Amazing Grace - please if you have not watched it - go and watch it! He was a Christian man lead by God to end slavery. If you think the bible says slavery is okay then God would not have lead him to help abolish slavery. He is the man who wrote the song Amazing Grace. One of the most well known Christian hymns.

You are a liar and slanderer. I already corrected you. Just another anti-Christ deceiver. Pathetic.

Calling a nitwit a nitwit, and calling an asshole an asshole, as long as you are truthful and the guy you are calling is nitwit or asshole, you are indeed being honest. It's calling a spade a spade. But if those words are used to mock with no proven nitwit-ness or asshole-ness, then it's not truthful anymore.

When you said "Jesus telling us to beat slaves", you are smearing Jesus. Jesus didn't call anyone to beat anyone. Luke 12:47 didn't said that. It's just saying some servants shall be beaten with many stripes, some fewer stripes. It didn't even said who's the beater and it surely wasn't calling Christians to beat slaves. You twisted the meaning.

About Christianity being evil, yes, those who called themselves Christians were evil centuries ago during the inquisition period. But you are dealing with present day Christianity. Present day Christians do not condone inquisition and will condemn any torture under the banner of Christianity. When you said Christianity is evil, do you notice present day Christians having torture chambers to torture anyone disagreeing with its teaching? Do present day Christians practice slavery? Do present day Christians practice stoning adulterer? Beheading? Killing babies? If not, then what is meant by evil according to you?

Assuming for whatever reason, you're firm in your opinion of the Christianity evilness, then what do you propose for the replacement so that evil Christians have a chance to repent into that replacement? Since you are judging Christianity as evil, then I presume your present religion or philosophy (atheism or others) is the better choice for replacement? Could you please give the pro and cons of your religion/philosophy versus Christianity to enlighten all evil Christians?

the goddess is about freedom and equality.
no wonder the patriarch wants her destroyed.

Thread: The Bible God: Cruel, Savage, Deranged, Evil, Barbaric, Intolerant, Insanely Jealous, Vengeful and Bloodthirsty?

Isn't God Cruel Because he Didn't Speak Out Against Slavery but Condoned It?

In an article called Does God Condone Slavery in the Bible? (Old Testament) by Glenn Miller, it argues that there were several kinds of slavery, some worse than others, and that some even protected some poor people who would otherwise be made destitute by harsh conditions. It says:

"The specific case of slavery is more complex than first appears...there is no monolithic 'institution' of slavery in the bible--e.g. the OT [Old Testament] has SEVERAL models of what might be called 'slavery' and much of what passed as slavery in the ANE [Ancient Near East] is no longer considered such in socio-economic understandings of the period and area. ...

... In the ANE (and OT), ... The dominant (statistically) motivation was economic relief of poverty (i.e., 'slavery' was initiated by the slave--NOT by the owner--and the primary uses were purely domestic (except in cases of State slavery, where individuals were used for building projects).

The definitive work on ANE law today is the 2 volume work (History of Ancient Near Eastern Law). This work (by 22 scholars) surveys every legal document from the ANE (by period) and includes sections on slavery. A smattering of quotes will indicate this for-the-poor instead of for-the-rich purpose for most of ANE slavery: ...

"Most of the recorded cases of entry of free persons into slavery [in Emar] are by reason of debt or famine or both…A common practice was for a financier to pay off the various creditors in return for the debtor becoming his slave." (1.664f)

"On the other hand, mention is made of free people who are sold into slavery as a result of the famine conditions and the critical economic situation of the populations [Canaan]. Sons and daughters are sold for provisions…" (1.741)

"The most frequently mentioned method of enslavement [Neo-Sumerian, UR III] was sale of children by their parents. Most are women, evidently widows, selling a daughter; in one instance a mother and grandmother sell a boy…There are also examples of self sale. All these cases clearly arose from poverty; it is not stated, however, whether debt was specifically at issue." (1.199) ..."

Similar conditions prevailed in Anglo-Saxon times, when slavery was often an act of oppression, but sometimes entered into voluntarily by destitute people who found it their only means of surviving hard times.

An article called Slaves by Octavia Randolph says:

In hard times, the poorer agricultural class found their only hope of sustenance in voluntarily submitting to slavery, and sold themselves and their families to survive. ...

Slaves were sometimes granted their freedom at special occasions, or by condition of the deceased owner's will. One Anglo-Saxon lady gave: freedom to Ecceard the smith and Alfstan and his wife and all their children born and unborn, and Arcil and Cole and Ecgferth and Ealdhun's daughter and all those people who had bowed their heads to her in return for food when times were bad.

These last, who had "bowed their heads to her", had sold themselves into slavery during famine. These were perhaps failed farmers, but at least one of her slaves, Ecceard the smith, was a skilled labourer.

In an article called Does God Condone Slavery in the Bible? (New Testament) by Glenn Miller, it says:

Remember, most people assume that the slavery of the Roman Empire at the time of Paul's writings was at least as bad as New World Slavery, with all its horrors, injustices, and atrocities. For us to be able to lodge the ethical objection of "the NT condones slavery" against the Christian worldview, we will have to demonstrate that what the NT calls "slavery" is equivalent to what we would understand by that term, and we will have to show that NT teaching 'condones' that practice. In the case of the OT/Tanaach, we saw that the two different systems of 'slavery' were not even close enough for meaningful comparison. We will need to compare and contrast Roman slavery and New World slavery here too, to insure that we are not committing crimes of equivocation. ...

* 1. So, our first topic concerns the question of identity--does the slavery of the NT-period Roman Empire resemble New World slavery enough for the objection to have its customary force?

* The data is quite strong that the two systems are substantially different, especially in the areas most troubling to modern minds--the abuse, the oppression, the future prospects of the slave. ...

• Slaves could litigate on their behalf (esp. in cases of assault/abuse):

"In the law of GR Egypt the slave could own property and could enter into legal transactions such as loans, leases or paramone (i.e., service) contracts...A slave could also act on behalf of a master in his business dealings, e.g. loans, sales, issuance of receipts etc....In terms of litigation the slave was also considered as more than n object in the law of GRE. For example, in matters of personal injury or damage of property the slave could litigate (i.e. sue) and act on his own behalf or represent another....In this instance not only does it appear that the slave had entered into a contract with a certain villager but also when assaulted and robbed by this same villager lodged a petition against him."

[link to www.broadcaster.org.uk]

Last Edited by Salt on 09/11/2012 10:51 AM

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lol...

You are making some mighty big assumptions here. First off, let's just assume that I am involved in a religion called "Samarism." I made that up, but what if there were thousands of other believers and we believed in the book of Samaria? Now suppose that there were some story in that book that said that a pink flying monkey landed on a prophet's head and spoke in his ear. The monkey said, "Go to the land of Eliatizar and kill the men, women and children who live there." It would be the God of Samaria that we are told is speaking through this monkey.

What would you think? First off, would you believe me just because there is some story in an old book? If you were to argue with me, what if I told you, "The God of Samaria MADE the monkey talk. My God can do ANYTHING." Would you think I had a few screws loose or would you just blindly believe me. If you did just blindly believe my story, what would be the reason for it? Even if I told you that only my God, the God of Samaria, will get you to heaven, would you just ignore me? Think of the God of the Muslim people. I'll bet you just ignore their God, even though they are convinced that no Christian will ever enter their heaven.

Look, you need to make friends with the concept of logic and reason. Look around you. Do you see men living in the belly of whales for days? Do you see men living in a furnace? Do you see zombies coming out of their graves and speaking to people? If I told you that a big star in the sky lead the Samarian people to the birthplace of our God, would you believe me? Or would you laugh and know that it is physically impossible for a star to lead anyone ANYWHERE?

You are blinded to truth and logic and reality because of brainwashing. It isn't your fault. You were probably trained in this since childhood. But you can come out of this. You can start living in the real world, if you WANT to. But if you need to cling to the idea of a God because you think you will live forever, then you need to simply grow up. That has about a zero percent chance of happening. And you want to know why? Reason, logic and reality are the reasons why. We don't see a heaven for a dog, cat, cockroach, chicken, etc., and we are the same as they are, only more highly evolved. Let go of the idea of life after death and you will let go of the idea of the barbaric God of the Bible.

Why don't you speak for yourself? Why do you continuously quote this website where people were probably paid a ton of money to make excuses for God. There is Scripture which says you can beat your slave within an inch of his life. IF he gets up after a day or two, the slave owner should not be punished...as per God's commandment. Does this sound like slavery is the lovely idea that your biased website promotes?

Quit making excuses for God. The Bible is clear, God is a perverted monster who asks people to kill for him, just like Charles Manson and Hitler. Read Psalm 137:8 which says: "Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us, who seizes your infants and dashes them against rocks." God commands people to kill infants, even to tear them out of their mother's wombs.

So what can you say: You have to make SOME excuse for this sorry example of a "God" so you would tell me that I am taking this out of context or that I am misinterpreting this. You have to make these excuses. A person just told me that a donkey talked in the Bible because God made it talk. And then they used the example of a parrot that talks. LOL, READ THE DAMNED BIBLE. The donkey had a completely understandable conversation with his master, using proper English and sentences. He conversed back and forth, and it was a donkey, for Christ's sake.

Please, grow up. You Christians are so tranparent and fake. Your own egos are so large that you just can't imagine that your death is the end of you. SO you all invent your garden variety of Gods so you can fantasize that you will live forever in a BETTER place. It has to be a BETTER place because your fairy tale has to have that happy ending.

If you are believing absurdities, then expect that people will not take your seriously. Sure, there are a ton of you Christturds but that doesn't make what you believe correct. Not many people can accept that they are mortal and that this life is all you get. It takes a brave person and a person with a small ego that can accept this. THUS...we know why there are so damned many of you. Case closed.

which is easier? typing out in my words many many years of compiled data and fervent study, or simply accessing a trusted accurate source from a talented writer who has already formatted it? why be redundant?

if i posted it, that means i accept it as truth.

that is such a lame excuse that bible bashers run too so quickly - since i didn't type it, it is bullshit and that i can't form my own opinions.

and another thing, bible bashers want us to spend enormous amounts of time explaining what took years to study in a few easy to follow sophmoric sentences. i won't give that away without first knowing if it is really desired.

everybody wants a handout. i would be happy to spend hours with someone really working on getting information out there, spending enormous amounts of time discussing, typing, teaching, etc, to the one who really really wants it.

the facts are there, in front of you.

you can't accept them.

your problem, not mine.

Last Edited by Salt on 09/11/2012 11:47 AM

Look, one eye, you haven't a clue what is TRUTH. You are simply believing something that makes YOU happy. Your religion is all about you. You are selfish and cruel hearted. You worship a God that kills babies and you don't give a damn. You believe a donkey can talk human language and you then claim to be sane. Please, give us a break.

I always thought that God said his religion was supposed to be simple. Why does it take years and years to study it? What these people are doing is simple to see. They are taking each Scripture verse which portrays a barbaric, cruel, demonic God and they are twisting and turning it until it becomes sweet. They make lemonade out of the Bible but the BIble is not lemonade at all. God is a lemon, sour and bitter. Why do you have to add sugar and water to sweeten and dilute this crap you call Scripture. The Scriptures speak for themselves. God would be a demon if he were real, which he is not, but that is for another time. God killed around 3 million people in the BIble, again, you don't care because we all know it is all about YOU.

What is more, YOU KNOW that God is worse than Hitler. BUt you have to cling to these silly ideas that twist God up until he is nothing like he really is in Scripture. Just read the words in the Bible AS THEY REALLY ARE. It shouldn't take years and years of study to know that donkeys don't talk and the sun doesn't stand still. It shouldn't take charlatans to tell you that a God who kills babies is not a good God. GROW UP. YOu need psychological help.

Luke 12:41 Peter asked, "Lord are you telling this parable to us or to everyone?

Again you did not understand that parable. As he states.

Luke 12:46 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of.

Sinners will not be aware of the time of the day of judgement, it will come like a thief in the night.

This parable is about sinners us and our master God. I suggest you start from the beginning of the New Testament in group study to help your struggles.

You totally have no clue as to what you read. Damn gentiles. lol

You think you're my master? You're telling us that because Jesus was telling us a parable about masters beating their slave that Jesus wasn't telling us to beat slaves? You're the liar. You worship the prince of lies.

God is your master, slave.

He is my Master but yet I am Free.

bite my ass, krispy kreme. i have devoted my life to this study, am a 2nd year seminary student, and have spent more time reading ancient texts, archaelogical writings, and historical documents than you are probably willing to accept. your ignorance on the subject is sorely revealed in your posts. you are up way way past your bedtime here.

the truth of the writings has been put before you. you choose to not see it for what it is.

your problem.

now, God-hater, kindly remove your fucking talons from the flesh in my back.

This will end it as well.


If Jesus was for slavery.



How many slaves did Jesus own?



That's what I thought OP.



Jesus is the way the truth and the life.


His way is the correct way. And Jesus did not own slaves.

In fact Jesus was a homeless man and did not bear much wealth, possessions and had no slaves.

For if you become a slave to God, like Jesus you become something greater then what you never could have been.

What would your seminary say if they knew you cussed like a sailor?

would you prefer i say "brood of vipers?" or how about "full of dead men's bones?

It doesn't matter that Jesus didn't own slaves. He told us he approves of slave beating through his parable.

You have presented a very well thought out inspiring response. Thank you, Aussie. Time is Short... Jesus IS NOW at the door!

As a Christian, you are forbidden to cuss. I'm an ex-Christian reminding you of the rules of your own religion. I'm allowed to say fuck because I'm not Jesus' slave.

show me a scripture that says it is foridden to cuss.