Christians Avoid Certain Bible Passages

Try reading some time.
Luk 12:41 Peter asked, "Lord, did you use this illustration just for us or for everyone?"
That covers verses 41 thru 48.

Verse 47 is part of an illustration,not something he Commanded.

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Does it matter if Jesus was talking to just his followers or to everyone? If Jesus was against beating slaves he would have said so.

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NUF said.

Let me just help you Christians a little.
1 Timothy 1:10 is your best argument. But it means that the bible is at best contradictory in the subject of slavery.

Slave traders are contradictory to sound doctrine.

So congratulations to the guy who posted that.

It still doesn't change the fact that Jesus was telling us how to beat slaves in Luke 12:47 through his parable.

Erroneous assumptions lead to erroneous conclusions.

It is not an assumption. It is fact.
It says right there in Luke 12:47.

Your assumption, not Scripture's. Most of the posters here see it.

he sees it. he is trolling. don't waste your time with this one.

He was just a man not a god. You are right to weigh all of his teachings against your own conscience and moral code. No guru or teacher is ever infallible and without error.

They all are. They're here for entertainment, not civilized discussion. And then they wonder why we don't want to play. And just for stating the obvious I expect them to hurl more vitriol and demands and judgments. But Jesus said something about not throwing pearls to swine, which for some reason most of them don't condemn Him for as being a "bad Christian". And that's pretty mild compared to what He called the Pharisees.

The def girl is still lost. She'd probably still be a snob if she weren't def.

This has to do with the GOSPEL, those who know the Savior and refuse the gift of salvation from the FATHER they will be judged far worse, than those who do not know the Christ and the Gospel....

Oh. Now I'm being labeled a troll because I won the argument. Listen Christians. If you were smart, you would promote the 1 Timothy passage and give up trying to defend Jesus and Paul for that matter. Paul who tells slaves to obey their masters.

Well have you done so? I guess not, so that makes you a complete hypocrite who probably hates what these words stand for.

Sounds like your Jesus was a commie hippie dropout.

Why should anyone take notice of a closed minded bigotted (self proclaimed) believer of these alleged teachings when you have FAILED to follow any of his instructions?

You earn respect not demand it, so start leading by example.

You shall be judged right now for defending bible characters who defend slavery.

If it pleases you that you "won the argument," I'm happy for you, whether you're a troll or not.

I agree with shenandoah regarding judgment of the churches - please be aware that there are many wolves in sheep's clothing in the church who abuse their power and positions - something they will be judged for. God warns us of them. Sometimes they are hard to see but sometimes very easy to find! Especially some so called Christian groups or groups that killed others in the name of Christ - hiding behind Christianity. They will be judged. God knows who His true believers are and they always spread His love.

Regarding Old Testament violence understand that in a society where people were killing God's people and wiping them out He needed them to live and exist for it was through them Jesus would be born and the Savior of the world would be brought forth. The devil was trying to stop this plan. God gave so many societies so many chances and so many times to change their ways and they would not. Some even 400 years. He sent them prophets and people to try and help them to stop their evil ways - which included child sacrifices and rape and all forms of evil but they would not stop even though God tried hard to show them a better way of life and to choose better - again God cannot force us - that is not love and would make us robots. If they desolated God's people then there would be no Savior for the world. And everyone would suffer forevermore in so much more evil than we do now. Look at the Rwanda massacre for an example of how bad it can get - if you do not know how bad it can get I urge you to read a few personal accounts and stories from those who survived.

Regarding logic and reality and the reply given to my post before (sorry I don't know your name!) but to the person who I was talking to about this - you either say there is a God or you don't and if there is a God all things are possible for can not a creator do whatever He pleases? And thus anything miraculous no matter what it is especially if He created such a vast and magnificent universe and even us.... that is miraculous enough to say He can do anything.....


There are good books and websites that show the following which is based on reality and logic ....

* The accuracy of the biblical record - it is greater than the most relied on secular history books.
[link to carm.org]
and
[link to www.christianadvice.net]
Many more sources to confirm this and elaborate this can be found.

* Archaeology which confirms biblical account over and over. Many things over the past few hundred years have been scoffed at by secular historians only later to be found and proven true.
[link to www.biblestudysite.com]
and
[link to www.forumterrace.com]
These are just the tip - there is so much more....


* Prophecy Proof - all bible prophecy has been 100% true - just as a start [link to www.clarifyingchristianity.com] - but there have been books written on this - huge amount of information on this truth on the internet. Last time I remember looking into the chances for even one prophecy regarding Jesus to come true was so far of the planet that is could be nothing but prophecy for knowing the so many elements that had to be to confirm that prophecy.

* Secular Historians records
[link to www.clarifyingchristianity.com]

* Science confirms bible verses as we know and learn more...

[link to www.inplainsite.org]

and

[link to www.clarifyingchristianity.com]

and
[link to carm.org]

Also I posted this on another thread

"There are new possible theories/evidence of our world actually not being created from a big bang...

From one of Australia's biggest news sites...

[link to news.ninemsn.com.au]

Which would line up with scripture;

Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

And then quoting from the article

"The reason we use the water analogy is water is without form.

"In the beginning there wasn't even space, space did not exist because there was no form.""

And their reference to the universe being created from water...

And the bible was written so long before all this scientific knowledge was even known....

Though I do understand discoveries like this come and go... so may not be "proven" to be so. Just thought what they had to say was interesting if it does come to be so..."


If my internet wasn't so slow lately I would be more thorough and produce more but all this and more is there for the finding.

Not only these things but the personal testimonies of peoples lives changing through KNOWING Jesus - if He was an imagination of the mind I do not believe they would be where they are but in mental hospitals. The fact stands rapists, murderers, addicts, workaholics and a whole facade of people have been saved and helped by Jesus. There are the stories of people even in psych wards who were there for years until Jesus set them free when they found Him... if He was not real this would not be possible.

You have the examples of millions of Christians who day by day experience the truth of Jesus in their lives which changes them and society. Yes some are charlatans, but if you look in the right places you will see the people of God doing great works for Him and for others in society. God isn't about being a show off. But it is there to be found.

Then there is - in my view - creation itself. Creation itself speaks to me of a creator. Simple as that :) There is to much design and beauty for there to not be a creator. To look at how we function and work is truly marvelous and beyond any spontaneous existence than I could believe in. I believe believing in that we just magically one day appeared from nothingness is more of a fairy tale than believing in a creator for whom there is no time.

This site has a lot of good responses for many common questions
[link to carm.org]

Also - why we believe in Jesus and not Santa Claus
[link to carm.org]

But personally my belief comes even stronger from asking Jesus into my heart and Him revealing to me the reality of His truth and who He is day in and day out in a relationship I have with Him.

And some more info.... [link to www.focusonthefamily.com]

PS sorry if this post is out of place now! I wrote this hours ago and had to go and just came back then to finish it!

Last Edited by Sharing on 09/11/2012 08:32 PM

You don't declare yourself the winner of your own argument.

And no, we're not calling you trolls because of your alleged winnings, but because of your shallow "helicopter theology"-- dropping down on a verse, lifting it up, and dropping it someplace else without regard to the meanings of words in their context.

You presume too many things and lump all Christians together, you never are willing to take the same degree and duration of inquisition you continually wage against us, and you do not practice what you preach either. Rational, thinking people don't behave the way you all have behaved here, and if you want to prove your alleged moral superiority, then you might actually consider playing the part for a change.

You hate God, we know that already. You despise anyone who believes in God, we get that. But we're not obligated to serve as places for you to vent your spleens; we're not the smiling, empty caricatures you see on TV shows. And just as you wouldn't allow anyone to invalidate your entire worldview just because you can't answer every little detail that 50 people at a time fire at you, then don't cry when we don't allow it either.

The next anti-theist that wants answers will have to earn the right to be heard.

You are a SLAVE.....

Obviously you have no clue what the Biblical meaning of SLAVES are...

Further help for Christians.
So if I was defending Jesus, I would admit the bible is full of errors and that Jesus didn't say this parable.
If the bible wasn't capable of being wrong then there wouldn't be a curse at the end warning the janitor of the church not to sneak in redactions.
The bible is with error.
Then I would continue to cherry pick passages that support my moral view of who Jesus should be -- a guy who hates slavery.
Christianity was popular with slaves and women because they did have more power early in the Christian religion.

So I guess you don't know the answer..


OP..


ANSWER THIS...


WHO ARE THE SLAVES IN THE BIBLE??????????????????


Learn to Understand your question and how to answer it yourself, before you ask other's to do it for you....

Can you speak up? I didn't hear you.

Learn the English language. Learn grammar and spelling.

did not read. I do not want to read. namaste!

LOL...

TROLL THREAD.....

Not fun to be outed isn't...

Read the Bible before you post a question, you have no understanding of....

True believing Christians are brain washed and or mentally challenged. Non-believing people who pretend to believe and go to church love the family environment, the good and moral friendships and need to please their bosses. I get why the Christian church is important. Too bad it is all based on lies from the bible and from fictional Jesus.

That is why I promote the Pagan faith. No bible. No man/god. Just family values, holidays, and a nature God that is hard to refute.

Good luck with that.