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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 20182567 United States 09/12/2012 09:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Muslims that killed the ambassador, are 'good' and 'devout' Muslims, following the teachings of Islam This sentence doesn't even make sense. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23487446 There is no such thing as a muslim or islam. islam is a farce created for times such as these. It is a compilation of writings that don't have any meaning. there is no such thing as a "religion" what it is ; in reality is a communist type organization that uses this "book" as a cover for its "belief system" but in reality is is a political and social organization to go into a society; invade that society and re organize it into the organizations communist ideal. Sharia law did not even exist til after Muhammad was dust in his grave. It was created later and is nowhere in the Quran. It was man made and incorporated into the religion. hahaha that sounds like Christianity too This is partly true, but is false, Sharia law is based on both the Quran and the Sunnah. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 23487446 United States 09/12/2012 09:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Muslims that killed the ambassador, are 'good' and 'devout' Muslims, following the teachings of Islam This sentence doesn't even make sense. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23487446 There is no such thing as a muslim or islam. islam is a farce created for times such as these. It is a compilation of writings that don't have any meaning. there is no such thing as a "religion" what it is ; in reality is a communist type organization that uses this "book" as a cover for its "belief system" but in reality is is a political and social organization to go into a society; invade that society and re organize it into the organizations communist ideal. To be technical, I would call it a 'A Totalitarian Political Theocracy', like also this man, who correcty identifies it: [link to www.youtube.com] Thanks I will look at this Sounds about right tho.... 1. Totalitarian in that the entire society is forced to follow one ideal or else DEATH 2. Political; in that it has a leader or leaders who enforce the "ideal" on the people with threat of death for going against it 3. Theocracy in that the leaders are forcing the public to look at them as royalty and hold them in high regard when in reality they are no more than thugs enforcing their own agenda |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 23580294 Australia 09/12/2012 09:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Muslims that killed the ambassador, are 'good' and 'devout' Muslims, following the teachings of Islam Question: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20182567 Does Islam command that those who insult the religion should be put to death? Summary Answer: Under Sharia, those who insult Muhammad or Allah are to be put to death. So are those who desecrate the Qur'an, or commit other acts of blasphemy. the ambassador didn't do those things, so they aren't following the teachings of Islam |
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shadasonic User ID: 15732022 United States 09/12/2012 09:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Muslims that killed the ambassador, are 'good' and 'devout' Muslims, following the teachings of Islam The truth behind all religions needs to be known or this will never end. Ego and fear rule the day, and all religions and leaders promote both. We really need a HUGE revelation or catastrophic do-over. Peace, for what its worth any more “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 20182567 United States 09/12/2012 09:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Muslims that killed the ambassador, are 'good' and 'devout' Muslims, following the teachings of Islam Question: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20182567 Does Islam command that those who insult the religion should be put to death? Summary Answer: Under Sharia, those who insult Muhammad or Allah are to be put to death. So are those who desecrate the Qur'an, or commit other acts of blasphemy. the ambassador didn't do those things, so they aren't following the teachings of Islam The scriptures inspired this act, combined with mob mentality, of attacking the person(s) who most closely resembles / represents the direct perpetrator. Muslims are known for doing this, and the core motivation that gives justification for their acts, are still scriptural. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 23580294 Australia 09/12/2012 09:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Muslims that killed the ambassador, are 'good' and 'devout' Muslims, following the teachings of Islam Question: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20182567 Does Islam command that those who insult the religion should be put to death? Summary Answer: Under Sharia, those who insult Muhammad or Allah are to be put to death. So are those who desecrate the Qur'an, or commit other acts of blasphemy. the ambassador didn't do those things, so they aren't following the teachings of Islam The scriptures inspired this act, combined with mob mentality, of attacking the person(s) who most closely resembles / represents the direct perpetrator. Muslims are known for doing this, and the core motivation that gives justification for their acts, are still scriptural. You should show some respect for the ambassador, and not accuse him of doing those things which he did not do. |
Rufus User ID: 23560904 United States 09/12/2012 09:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Muslims that killed the ambassador, are 'good' and 'devout' Muslims, following the teachings of Islam In March 1785, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). Upon inquiring "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied: It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once. We have been at war with these people for over two hundred years. It's time realize its a war to the death. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11239192 United States 09/12/2012 09:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Muslims that killed the ambassador, are 'good' and 'devout' Muslims, following the teachings of Islam Yeah? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23675143 What about this: Thread: The Bible says you need to kill your daughter and your brother if they have a different religion Now what? Hmmm, well let's see. Sure haven't heard of anyone doing that these days. That would be the difference. Now what? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 23487446 United States 09/12/2012 09:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Muslims that killed the ambassador, are 'good' and 'devout' Muslims, following the teachings of Islam In March 1785, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). Upon inquiring "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied: Quoting: Rufus 23560904 It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once. We have been at war with these people for over two hundred years. It's time realize its a war to the death. What is amazing is WHAT is left out of the history books I bet MOST of the american populace do not even known this stuff went on 200 plus years ago |
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1COR15:22 User ID: 17601555 United States 09/12/2012 09:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Muslims that killed the ambassador, are 'good' and 'devout' Muslims, following the teachings of Islam So OP, what do you suggest we do about the Muslims from your Christian perspective? Last Edited by Let's Go! on 09/12/2012 09:50 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11239192 United States 09/12/2012 09:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Muslims that killed the ambassador, are 'good' and 'devout' Muslims, following the teachings of Islam Question: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20182567 Does Islam command that those who insult the religion should be put to death? Summary Answer: Under Sharia, those who insult Muhammad or Allah are to be put to death. So are those who desecrate the Qur'an, or commit other acts of blasphemy. This tradition began with Muhammad, as recorded in the Hadith and by his biographers. There is also a Qur'anic basis for it. The Qur'an: Qur'an (6:93) - "Who can be more wicked than one who inventeth a lie against Allah?" (Apparently not the adulterer or others for whom death is proscribed). Qur'an (33:57) - "Lo! those who malign Allah and His messenger, Allah hath cursed them in this world and the Hereafter, and hath prepared for them the doom of the disdained" Qur'an (33:61) - [continues from above] "Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter." From the Hadith: Bukhari (59:369) - This recounts the murder of Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, a Jewish poet who wrote verses about Muslims that Muhammad found insulting. He asked his followers, 'Who will rid me of this man?' and several volunteered. al-Ashraf was stabbed to death while fighting for his life. Bukhari (3:106) - "The Prophet said, "Do not tell a lie against me for whoever tells a lie against me (intentionally) then he will surely enter the Hell-fire." Bukhari (4:241) - Those who mocked Muhammad at Mecca were killed after he had retaken the city and asserted his authority. Perhaps the best evidence that Muhammad punished critics with death are the number of people who were murdered for this very reason shortly after he attained the power to do so. His biographers list numerous citizens who were murdered merely for mockery or criticism, particularly poets - the media artists of the time. One was a mother of five, who had her child pulled from her breast before she was run through with a sword. See Muhammad's Dead Poets Society for more information. When author Salman Rushdie published "The Satanic Verses," a 1988 novel deemed offensive to Muhammad, the Ayatollah Khomeini pronounced a death sentence that was supported by a majority of Muslims. In 2006, when a Danish newspaper published cartoons of Muhammad, an Imam (and immigrant to Denmark), traveled back to the Middle East and whipped up hatred that resulted in deadly rioting on three continents. Demonstrators in London held signs reading "Massacre Those Who Insult Islam." A radical Muslim, is who acts against the teachings of the Quran. A radical Muslim, would be say let's forgive this blasphemy, and forgive the movie producer, which is totally against the teachings of Islam. Only people with zero brain activity still buy the BS about 9/11 and the terrifying muslim boogeyman You don't read much do you? You should check out some news articles from around the world and you will learn a bit more about "peaceful Islam". |
1COR15:22 User ID: 17601555 United States 09/12/2012 09:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Muslims that killed the ambassador, are 'good' and 'devout' Muslims, following the teachings of Islam So OP, what do you suggest we do about the Muslims from your Christian perspective? Last Edited by Let's Go! on 09/12/2012 09:56 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11239192 United States 09/12/2012 09:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Muslims that killed the ambassador, are 'good' and 'devout' Muslims, following the teachings of Islam Question: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20182567 Does Islam command that those who insult the religion should be put to death? Summary Answer: Under Sharia, those who insult Muhammad or Allah are to be put to death. So are those who desecrate the Qur'an, or commit other acts of blasphemy. This tradition began with Muhammad, as recorded in the Hadith and by his biographers. There is also a Qur'anic basis for it. The Qur'an: Qur'an (6:93) - "Who can be more wicked than one who inventeth a lie against Allah?" (Apparently not the adulterer or others for whom death is proscribed). Qur'an (33:57) - "Lo! those who malign Allah and His messenger, Allah hath cursed them in this world and the Hereafter, and hath prepared for them the doom of the disdained" Qur'an (33:61) - [continues from above] "Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter." From the Hadith: Bukhari (59:369) - This recounts the murder of Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, a Jewish poet who wrote verses about Muslims that Muhammad found insulting. He asked his followers, 'Who will rid me of this man?' and several volunteered. al-Ashraf was stabbed to death while fighting for his life. Bukhari (3:106) - "The Prophet said, "Do not tell a lie against me for whoever tells a lie against me (intentionally) then he will surely enter the Hell-fire." Bukhari (4:241) - Those who mocked Muhammad at Mecca were killed after he had retaken the city and asserted his authority. Perhaps the best evidence that Muhammad punished critics with death are the number of people who were murdered for this very reason shortly after he attained the power to do so. His biographers list numerous citizens who were murdered merely for mockery or criticism, particularly poets - the media artists of the time. One was a mother of five, who had her child pulled from her breast before she was run through with a sword. See Muhammad's Dead Poets Society for more information. When author Salman Rushdie published "The Satanic Verses," a 1988 novel deemed offensive to Muhammad, the Ayatollah Khomeini pronounced a death sentence that was supported by a majority of Muslims. In 2006, when a Danish newspaper published cartoons of Muhammad, an Imam (and immigrant to Denmark), traveled back to the Middle East and whipped up hatred that resulted in deadly rioting on three continents. Demonstrators in London held signs reading "Massacre Those Who Insult Islam." A radical Muslim, is who acts against the teachings of the Quran. A radical Muslim, would be say let's forgive this blasphemy, and forgive the movie producer, which is totally against the teachings of Islam. Ok, Correct me if im wrong here Allah = God & Mohammad = Jesus is this not correct? So it's ok to speak against "God & Jesus" but death come to those who speak against "Allah & Mohammad" Psssst Whatever, give me a fucken break. All absolute Bullshit. People need to get their shit strait Mohammad is not Jesus. What if Mohammad's nickname was Jesus or in translation it became Jesus? Or some dummy thought Mohammad was to long a name to write? I say none of us know diddly squat for sure and should not be condemning anyone else's religion. We do know from historic documents that they are two separate people and lived about 600 years apart. So your theory is wrong. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 20182567 United States 09/12/2012 10:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Muslims that killed the ambassador, are 'good' and 'devout' Muslims, following the teachings of Islam So OP, what do you suggest we do about the Muslims from your Christian perspective? Quoting: 1COR15:22 1) The majority still believe this is a 'religion of peace'. Our education system and the mainstream media, perpetuate this lie, due to political correctness. Therefore, it'll require multiple people, to share the truth about Islam (e.g. blogs, videos, etc). Alternatively, recommend / advertise / promote sites / books that speak the truth about Islam. I recommend Jihadwatch.org 2)When the masses know the truth about Islam, mass solutions will naturally follow. 3) The Muslim's ideology, which is Islam, needs to also be targeted, bombs can't do this. So educate the Muslim's about how Islam is flawed. Another way to attack their ideology, is to present an alternative and better belief system. Personally, I'm a Christian, so I would prevent evidence, about how I became a Christian. I have university degree, conducted experiments, learned of various belief systems, so I plan on presenting multiple pieces of evidence, collected for many years, to show why I choose Christianity. 4) Once the masses are educated, then, they'll be more likely to vote for a leader / president like this man, who truly knows and bravely speaks the truth about Islam: Hope he runs in 2016. 5) This can't occur until the masses our educated, but, the ultimate goal should be to ban Islam, like how the Germans banned Nazism. 6) Don't forget prayers, and pray big. Most will lose faith, when asking for too much, but put your full faith in God, not in yourself. "I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father." John 14:12 Don't doubt, when you doubt, you cancel your prayers. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. - 2 Peter 3:9 It can be easy to fall into a hate mentality, but we should also remember, to pray that the Muslims find Christ, or lead them to him if possible. Whatever happens, may God's will be done (Muslims may even unknowingly be fulfilling Bible prophecies). Remember, it's ultimately only God, who we should fear: Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. - Matthew 10:28 |
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FHL(C) nli User ID: 23678458 China 09/12/2012 10:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Muslims that killed the ambassador, are 'good' and 'devout' Muslims, following the teachings of Islam YAH rebuke the wicked spirits massacring coptic believers in Egypt, let all the Isaiah prophesies concerning Egypt manifest now, and cities and places of refuge for copts and all believers manifest in Egypt and Africa and Middle east now Father in YAHshua/Jesus name, amen |
shadasonic User ID: 15732022 United States 09/12/2012 10:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Muslims that killed the ambassador, are 'good' and 'devout' Muslims, following the teachings of Islam In March 1785, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). Upon inquiring "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied: Quoting: Rufus 23560904 It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once. We have been at war with these people for over two hundred years. It's time realize its a war to the death. It seems there is no live and let live alive in the world, we are at an empass or the start of the ruination Last Edited by Thinking out loud on 09/12/2012 10:23 PM “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan |
FHL(C) nli User ID: 23678458 China 09/12/2012 10:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Muslims that killed the ambassador, are 'good' and 'devout' Muslims, following the teachings of Islam Do you guys understand the flood gates that have just opened, no shutting them down with money or conventional war, both will just lead to a unified front by all islam, can you imagine the Saudi's and Iran agreeing on anything, watch see and learn. |