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I think we need a lot of serious investigation as to exactly what happened out there before we all go baling into backing Zionism...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


exactly.

A bunch of Pentagon shills showing their true colors today.


Most people know that the Zionists rule the world, and that deception is their favorite weapon.

The only dumbasses that buy into this fox-news type bullshit are senior citizens who are too old fashioned to realize that the media is lying to them.

The media has been lying since WW2, but us younger generations are finally seeing the world for what it really is.

George Orwell was right.
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Sheesh...I only thought you were an idiot up till now...
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I mean, we demonize and prosecute our own soldiers for urinating on the corpses of the jihadis that just blew up their buddies.

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Some of us didn't.

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I think we need a lot of serious investigation as to exactly what happened out there before we all go baling into backing Zionism...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


exactly.

A bunch of Pentagon shills showing their true colors today.


Most people know that the Zionists rule the world, and that deception is their favorite weapon.

The only dumbasses that buy into this fox-news type bullshit are senior citizens who are too old fashioned to realize that the media is lying to them.

The media has been lying since WW2, but us younger generations are finally seeing the world for what it really is.

George Orwell was right.
 Quoting: chris999


Sheesh...I only thought you were an idiot up till now...
 Quoting: SHR


No, I just call it as I see it.

I am smart enough to know that if Fox News says something, it is a lie. (or CNN or MSNBC)

You know it is true.



9/11 was fake as hell, and so is this. This generation isnt as easy to fool as the baby-boomers were. The same bullshit wont work on us twice...
I dont mean everything I say to be literal. I just like to throw around ideas, and play devil's advocate.

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.

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Obama has been quite consistent.

Obama refused to help the people when they protested in Iran where the Islamic fanatics are already in power, and helped the Islamic fanatics take over in Libya and Egypt.

He's also considering helping the Islamic fanatics in Syria.

In other words, Obama is criminally insane.

As for the Islamic fanatics world wide we have two choices:

1- toss around a few nukes to intimidate them. The downside is that it could kill millions and not necessarily change their hearts.

2- Strike at their weak spot - their religious beliefs. This has been suggested before. I'm bringing it up because it makes tremendous sense and means millions fewer killed and wounded.

The specific solutions are bacon burials, and bacon grease bullets.

The fanatics fear that they would spend eternity in hell if those things were to come into contact with their bodies at death.

That's right we terrorize them. We give them nightmares. Especially the fanatics, because they would not be talked out of their terror even if an Imam declared pig fat and pig blood to be Hallal.

Recruitment would drop to zero. They could not raise an army or a navy, nor could they raise a suicide bomber.

Although I would accept the first choice, the second one would be more effective.

The one thing that won't work is "fighting fair." We have fought fair, and we've seen the results. Strike the enemy where they are weak.

There is a technique in a bar fight where you take the aggressor to the floor and break their little fingers if need be. It ends the fight in seconds because the attacker ends up in so much pain.

We can break their fingers and get them to quit or we can nuke them. Nuking might not even work. It could get us caught up in a worldwide war where we nuke and get nuked.

Let's desecrate the fanatics' bodies until they cry for mercy, and then continue to desecrate their bodies as a constant reminder not to fuck with us.
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Just close these UN embassys and DEPORT ISLAM from the west.

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I think we need a lot of serious investigation as to exactly what happened out there before we all go baling into backing Zionism...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


exactly.

A bunch of Pentagon shills showing their true colors today.


Most people know that the Zionists rule the world, and that deception is their favorite weapon.

The only dumbasses that buy into this fox-news type bullshit are senior citizens who are too old fashioned to realize that the media is lying to them.

The media has been lying since WW2, but us younger generations are finally seeing the world for what it really is.

George Orwell was right.
 Quoting: chris999


Sheesh...I only thought you were an idiot up till now...
 Quoting: SHR


No, I just call it as I see it.

I am smart enough to know that if Fox News says something, it is a lie. (or CNN or MSNBC)

You know it is true.



9/11 was fake as hell, and so is this. This generation isnt as easy to fool as the baby-boomers were. The same bullshit wont work on us twice...
 Quoting: chris999


Yup! Makes ya wonder how much more elaborate the 'next deception' will be? That's the trick...staying one step ahead ~ hf
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exactly.

A bunch of Pentagon shills showing their true colors today.


Most people know that the Zionists rule the world, and that deception is their favorite weapon.

The only dumbasses that buy into this fox-news type bullshit are senior citizens who are too old fashioned to realize that the media is lying to them.

The media has been lying since WW2, but us younger generations are finally seeing the world for what it really is.

George Orwell was right.
 Quoting: chris999


Sheesh...I only thought you were an idiot up till now...
 Quoting: SHR


No, I just call it as I see it.

I am smart enough to know that if Fox News says something, it is a lie. (or CNN or MSNBC)

You know it is true.



9/11 was fake as hell, and so is this. This generation isnt as easy to fool as the baby-boomers were. The same bullshit wont work on us twice...
 Quoting: chris999


Yup! Makes ya wonder how much more elaborate the 'next deception' will be? That's the trick...staying one step ahead ~ hf
 Quoting: Beso


Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Sometimes Islamic fanatics are just Islamic fanatics. Send your son or daughter over there to talk sense to them. Or you go yourself.
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I think we need a lot of serious investigation as to exactly what happened out there before we all go baling into backing Zionism...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


exactly.

A bunch of Pentagon shills showing their true colors today.


Most people know that the Zionists rule the world, and that deception is their favorite weapon.

The only dumbasses that buy into this fox-news type bullshit are senior citizens who are too old fashioned to realize that the media is lying to them.

The media has been lying since WW2, but us younger generations are finally seeing the world for what it really is.

George Orwell was right.
 Quoting: chris999


Sheesh...I only thought you were an idiot up till now...
 Quoting: SHR


No, I just call it as I see it.

I am smart enough to know that if Fox News says something, it is a lie. (or CNN or MSNBC)

You know it is true.



9/11 was fake as hell, and so is this. This generation isnt as easy to fool as the baby-boomers were. The same bullshit wont work on us twice...
 Quoting: chris999


Whoever told you that you were "Smart"?

So what do you think then...it didn't happen? All the footage from both Libya and Egypt are fake?....everyone from the President down to the vice assistant dog catcher and everyone from every other country that made a statement has been fooled?....lol...
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exactly.

A bunch of Pentagon shills showing their true colors today.


Most people know that the Zionists rule the world, and that deception is their favorite weapon.

The only dumbasses that buy into this fox-news type bullshit are senior citizens who are too old fashioned to realize that the media is lying to them.

The media has been lying since WW2, but us younger generations are finally seeing the world for what it really is.

George Orwell was right.
 Quoting: chris999


Sheesh...I only thought you were an idiot up till now...
 Quoting: SHR


No, I just call it as I see it.

I am smart enough to know that if Fox News says something, it is a lie. (or CNN or MSNBC)

You know it is true.



9/11 was fake as hell, and so is this. This generation isnt as easy to fool as the baby-boomers were. The same bullshit wont work on us twice...
 Quoting: chris999


Whoever told you that you were "Smart"?

So what do you think then...it didn't happen? All the footage from both Libya and Egypt are fake?....everyone from the President down to the vice assistant dog catcher and everyone from every other country that made a statement has been fooled?....lol...
 Quoting: SHR


Yeah total dimwit...
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exactly.

A bunch of Pentagon shills showing their true colors today.


Most people know that the Zionists rule the world, and that deception is their favorite weapon.

The only dumbasses that buy into this fox-news type bullshit are senior citizens who are too old fashioned to realize that the media is lying to them.

The media has been lying since WW2, but us younger generations are finally seeing the world for what it really is.

George Orwell was right.
 Quoting: chris999


Sheesh...I only thought you were an idiot up till now...
 Quoting: SHR


No, I just call it as I see it.

I am smart enough to know that if Fox News says something, it is a lie. (or CNN or MSNBC)

You know it is true.



9/11 was fake as hell, and so is this. This generation isnt as easy to fool as the baby-boomers were. The same bullshit wont work on us twice...
 Quoting: chris999


Whoever told you that you were "Smart"?

So what do you think then...it didn't happen? All the footage from both Libya and Egypt are fake?....everyone from the President down to the vice assistant dog catcher and everyone from every other country that made a statement has been fooled?....lol...
 Quoting: SHR


Mossad hit.

Dark skinned Jew that grows a beard, puts on a turban and shouts allu ackbar is still a jew.

Netenyahu wanted to create more division in our country, and punish us for not immediately giving into his demands to murder Iran.


And everyone knows that the Arab Spring protests are easily controlled by TPTB.

Those people will protest if you wave a porkchop in the air.



-By deception, that shalt do war -Mossad.

Last Edited by chris999 on 09/13/2012 12:09 AM
I dont mean everything I say to be literal. I just like to throw around ideas, and play devil's advocate.

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.

-Galileo Galilei
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Sheesh...I only thought you were an idiot up till now...
 Quoting: SHR


No, I just call it as I see it.

I am smart enough to know that if Fox News says something, it is a lie. (or CNN or MSNBC)

You know it is true.



9/11 was fake as hell, and so is this. This generation isnt as easy to fool as the baby-boomers were. The same bullshit wont work on us twice...
 Quoting: chris999


Whoever told you that you were "Smart"?

So what do you think then...it didn't happen? All the footage from both Libya and Egypt are fake?....everyone from the President down to the vice assistant dog catcher and everyone from every other country that made a statement has been fooled?....lol...
 Quoting: SHR


Mossad hit.

Dark skinned Jew that grows a beard, puts on a turban and shouts allu ackbar is still a jew.

Netenyahu wanted to create more division in our country, and punish us for not immediately giving into his demands to murder Iran.


And everyone knows that the Arab Spring protests are easily controlled by TPTB.

Those people will protest if you wave a porkchop in the air.



-By deception, that shalt do war -Mossad.
 Quoting: chris999


Actually that's in the Koran, look it up. And, you are seriously deluded...
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Sheesh...I only thought you were an idiot up till now...
 Quoting: SHR


No, I just call it as I see it.

I am smart enough to know that if Fox News says something, it is a lie. (or CNN or MSNBC)

You know it is true.



9/11 was fake as hell, and so is this. This generation isnt as easy to fool as the baby-boomers were. The same bullshit wont work on us twice...
 Quoting: chris999


Whoever told you that you were "Smart"?

So what do you think then...it didn't happen? All the footage from both Libya and Egypt are fake?....everyone from the President down to the vice assistant dog catcher and everyone from every other country that made a statement has been fooled?....lol...
 Quoting: SHR


Mossad hit.

Dark skinned Jew that grows a beard, puts on a turban and shouts allu ackbar is still a jew.

Netenyahu wanted to create more division in our country, and punish us for not immediately giving into his demands to murder Iran.


And everyone knows that the Arab Spring protests are easily controlled by TPTB.

Those people will protest if you wave a porkchop in the air.



-By deception, that shalt do war -Mossad.
 Quoting: chris999


You truly are a very scared and very deluded little boy, I actually feel sorry for you.
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I think we need a lot of serious investigation as to exactly what happened out there before we all go baling into backing Zionism...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


exactly.

A bunch of Pentagon shills showing their true colors today.


Most people know that the Zionists rule the world, and that deception is their favorite weapon.

The only dumbasses that buy into this fox-news type bullshit are senior citizens who are too old fashioned to realize that the media is lying to them.

The media has been lying since WW2, but us younger generations are finally seeing the world for what it really is.

George Orwell was right.
 Quoting: chris999


Sheesh...I only thought you were an idiot up till now...
 Quoting: SHR


No, I just call it as I see it.

I am smart enough to know that if Fox News says something, it is a lie. (or CNN or MSNBC)

You know it is true.



9/11 was fake as hell, and so is this. This generation isnt as easy to fool as the baby-boomers were. The same bullshit wont work on us twice...
 Quoting: chris999


I don't make a habit of cursing, but, how fucking stupid are you, and how old??????? Your statement is that of a grade school level.
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It wasn't the movie that cause this.

It was a planned attack. The movie was a cover for a protest, while extremest use this as an opportunity to attack the United States.

The question is who is ultimately behind this attack?

Jihadist (such as Al Qaeda)?
Iran (State sponsored terrorism)?
Israel (Mossad's dirty tricks)?
Elitist bankers (Illuminati agenda)?
Someone else (Disgruntled CIA operatives)?

Who had the most to gain here? The violence was planned, coordinated and executed. It was timed with a response and counter response to US actions.

...round up the usual suspects.
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^^^
This...who has the most to gain?
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Thank you for that amazing post. I really appreciate your time that you put into it.

Hopefully, it opens many other peoples' lives.
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^^^ lives > *eyes
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It wasn't the movie that cause this.

It was a planned attack. The movie was a cover for a protest, while extremest use this as an opportunity to attack the United States.

The question is who is ultimately behind this attack?

Jihadist (such as Al Qaeda)?
Iran (State sponsored terrorism)?
Israel (Mossad's dirty tricks)?
Elitist bankers (Illuminati agenda)?
Someone else (Disgruntled CIA operatives)?

Who had the most to gain here? The violence was planned, coordinated and executed. It was timed with a response and counter response to US actions.

...round up the usual suspects.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6182120


^^^
This...who has the most to gain?
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The jewish people have the most to gain... They didnt have American support, and now they do...


But dont let logic get in the way of jumping to conclusions about those evil muslims that dont even have any military equipment to fight with.

Fox News said it was al CIAda, so it must be true.

Rupert Murdoch doesnt have an agenda or anything...
I dont mean everything I say to be literal. I just like to throw around ideas, and play devil's advocate.

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.

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Karma-pin-5star-bump. Well said!

Netanyahu said he "is done waiting" to handle Iran. Campaign season. The world is a powder keg. This is gonna get bat shit crazy for sure!

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It wasn't the movie that cause this.

It was a planned attack. The movie was a cover for a protest, while extremest use this as an opportunity to attack the United States.

The question is who is ultimately behind this attack?

Jihadist (such as Al Qaeda)?
Iran (State sponsored terrorism)?
Israel (Mossad's dirty tricks)?
Elitist bankers (Illuminati agenda)?
Someone else (Disgruntled CIA operatives)?

Who had the most to gain here? The violence was planned, coordinated and executed. It was timed with a response and counter response to US actions.

...round up the usual suspects.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6182120

this
"This world is more like a mystery, trapped in a conundrum, spun by a paradox." - AC1118155
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No matter what we do, in a few thousand years from now, no one will give a shit our society ever existed...

A little perspective.
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duely noted
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It wasn't the movie that cause this.

It was a planned attack. The movie was a cover for a protest, while extremest use this as an opportunity to attack the United States.

The question is who is ultimately behind this attack?

Jihadist (such as Al Qaeda)?
Iran (State sponsored terrorism)?
Israel (Mossad's dirty tricks)?
Elitist bankers (Illuminati agenda)?
Someone else (Disgruntled CIA operatives)?

Who had the most to gain here? The violence was planned, coordinated and executed. It was timed with a response and counter response to US actions.

...round up the usual suspects.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6182120


^^^
This...who has the most to gain?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12454943


The jewish people have the most to gain... They didnt have American support, and now they do...


But dont let logic get in the way of jumping to conclusions about those evil muslims that dont even have any military equipment to fight with.

Fox News said it was al CIAda, so it must be true.

Rupert Murdoch doesnt have an agenda or anything...
 Quoting: chris999


You really are brainwashed...
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Let's just finish what the Knights Templar Crusaders started over 2 centuries ago.
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You know, maybe in this us Dutchies are one step ahead of you, for once. We don't let 'the game' be put upon us any longer. Let me explain.

We had our struggles with integration of foreigners, mainly Muslims. We have a party, fronted by Wilders, that warned against the Muslims and the baaaad stuff they put upon us. Besides the reports in the msm, on the streets not many had problems with Muslims perse...they did with foreign youth, bored, without jobs, with different culture. Culture.

In the elections we had yesterday, the Wilders' party lost bigtime, after they'd already for a major part ditched the anti-Muslim part 'in favor of' a anti-Europe sound. He lost, middle parties; one slightly leftwing, one rightwing, won bigtime.

We see here that religion is not the problem. Although culture might be; the world becoming a meltingpot of culture doesn't go without hassle. It takes some time to adjust to eachother.

Sure, there have been terrorist attacks by Muslims, fundamentalists have some strange views they put into to practice, but are we (so called 'Christian',ahem...) Westerners so much better? I think we've done more harm and malice in Muslim countries, than vice versa...

My point: the anti-Muslim agenda is forced upon us (US(A)) to focus attention OF the REAL problem: the monetary shit, caused by the greedy fucks of this world's system. It seems as here in the Netherlands we've noticed that and shifted our attention from the fake problem (fundamentalist Muslims) to the real problem; the world's fucked up monetary (power) policies...As long you get sucked into their powerplay, abusing your patriotistic emotions, they can go on scam us while we're watching to the other side...The problem is HERE, in ús, not thére...

Just a (always flexible) point of view.

Last Edited by R... on 09/13/2012 01:37 AM
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well put desert monotheist cults will do that to a region.

islam and judeauism are plagues upon this earth

worse than locusts.

at least vikings believed in odin and thor.
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Unleash the hounds.
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Who's god is the best? Let's kill each other to find out. How sick you humans are.
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You know, maybe in this us Dutchies are one step ahead of you, for once. We don't let 'the game' be put upon us any longer. Let me explain.


In the elections we had yesterday, the Wilders' party lost bigtime, after they'd already for a major part ditched the anti-Muslim part 'in favor of' a anti-Europe sound. He lost, middle parties; one slightly leftwing, one rightwing, won bigtime.


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and with that I wanted to say it seems we've started ditching our OWN fundamentalistic points of view. We're accepting our change in culture (it's just evolutionary biology) and start tackling the REAL (manmade) problems at hand. No more far rightwing (Wilders), no far leftwing (Socialist Party) but firmly in between. Not the split duality, but a more centred policy. Less divide and conquer, but unite and conquer.

In my view it's a major disadvantage of your (US's) politic two party system; it's made for divide and conquer tactics, no options in between for solide, uniting policies.

Don't be fooled into the game too much, please. The enemy's within.

Last Edited by R... on 09/13/2012 01:58 AM
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You write nice and all, but you just do not live in reality SHR.
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We'll see...one thing I do know is that reality eventually comes to meet you face to face whether you believe in it or not...

So far I have had a pretty fair track record about being right and proven correct....I'd say ask Chris Stevens about reality, but he isn't talking any longer...
 Quoting: SHR


The reality is, The United States is not a force for good on this earth anymore.

P.S. Those in control of Washington attacked America on 911.
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I'll never forget the day that I realized this. It was the ultimate kick in the gut.
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Indeed it was. Even for us outside the USA.
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Re: So here we are...
I think it was not about the movie.
I believe this was a planned attach for 911 and the movie stuff is all just coincident smoke screen for the operation.
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Re: So here we are...
Let's just finish what the Knights Templar Crusaders started over 2 centuries ago.
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The problem there is that most countries didn't have the ability to turn whole cities into dust in a matter of days, hours minutes or seconds 200 years ago. The world is very different place now...yet some of us seem to have not caught up in many aspects dispite the modern power and ability to project it they might own by virtue of only purchasing it.

The "Islamic problem" issue has existed for a very long time now...I have personally watched it's growth and march for over 30 years. It's not going to go away by itself and in fact the attack has only increased in violence and frequency over the years.

As I said, this is not merely a religion, it's a complete immersion political, social, ideological operating system that is a culture, if it can be elevated to call it that. There are no real extremists, no seperation between Alquida, Hamas, Hezbollah, Muslim Brotherhood, Islamic Jihad, Fatah and all the other so called "factions"...it's all the same people...especially so among the Arabs and North Africans. No more seperation between these subgroups in the terms of Islam than there is between New Yorkers and Floridians when you speak in terms of Americans. This is why you do not see the condemnation from the so called "Moderate Islamics" as a whole for these acts of violence than you would see people from Ohio condeming Texans for something that America does...they are one entity like we are one entity and although we have differnt states that sometimes bicker under one flag?...they have countries no larger than many of our states also under one flag of Islam as a binding force....and it's a powerful one.

Islam is also openly hostile to the west and anything it percieves as the west...among other non-Islamic portions of the world, but the west especially because western influence on culture, technology, arts science everything etc is so pervasive throughout the entire world. I am convinced that eventually it will reach a breaking point, because as much as anyone wants to deny the hate and hostility, they don't...in fact as you can see, they embrace it.

In the meantime I do not think it is in our best interest to aid and abet them, nor appologize to them over the latest outrage dejur and killing of our people.
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