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You know, maybe in this us Dutchies are one step ahead of you, for once. We don't let 'the game' be put upon us any longer. Let me explain.


In the elections we had yesterday, the Wilders' party lost bigtime, after they'd already for a major part ditched the anti-Muslim part 'in favor of' a anti-Europe sound. He lost, middle parties; one slightly leftwing, one rightwing, won bigtime.


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and with that I wanted to say it seems we've started ditching our OWN fundamentalistic points of view. We're accepting our change in culture (it's just evolutionary biology) and start tackling the REAL (manmade) problems at hand. No more far rightwing (Wilders), no far leftwing (Socialist Party) but firmly in between. Not the split duality, but a more centred policy. Less divide and conquer, but unite and conquer.

In my view it's a major disadvantage of your (US's) politic two party system; it's made for divide and conquer tactics, no options in between for solide, uniting policies.

Don't be fooled into the game too much, please. The enemy's within.
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How'd that work out for Theo Van Gogh?....

Dutch culture is history anyway...your TFR is less than 1.8....in a few generations there won't anything left of the Netherlands as you know it and there will be nothing but "Multi-Culturalism" that remains due to Immigration. That is what you have left for the future of your country...a footnote of history and a few exhibits in a museum.
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That's right people. There is like a billion people that are just bat-shit crazy for no reason.
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I think it was not about the movie.
I believe this was a planned attach for 911 and the movie stuff is all just coincident smoke screen for the operation.
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Like I said, it's just an excuse....and the Islamics don't really need any excuses to go off in yet another Anti-American Anti-West tirade....Killing is just another part of the way of life in most of the Middle east and Africa...Most Americans live in a bubble.
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A grown up perspective indeed,but this shit is all pre-ordained.Wether the situation is being manipulated by nefarious forces or just playing out as prophesised these are the interesting times we are either blessed or cursed to endure.
We are well into WW3 and the next step is to unite all of islam against christianity.
So stand by for the appearance of the muslim mahdi and watch as prophecy unfolds,it's gonna be one helluva ride.
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What I don't understand is why we constantly airlift them out of the shithole desert.

If it wasn't for us, they wouldn't even have technology, cars, boats, PLANES!

After 911, we grounded our own skies? Why don't we just declare that whole a shithole a NO-FLY!

No flights in and especially OUT of the middle east. If they want out, they can try walking. Good luck swimming to the continental US.

What the fuck do they bring to the table? Hate, murder, resentment? Didn't know the job market had a shortage of those skills.
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I think it was not about the movie.
I believe this was a planned attach for 911 and the movie stuff is all just coincident smoke screen for the operation.
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Like I said, it's just an excuse....and the Islamics don't really need any excuses to go off in yet another Anti-American Anti-West tirade....Killing is just another part of the way of life in most of the Middle east and Africa...Most Americans live in a bubble.
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They don't value life as much as anyone else in the World these days.

Including the West.
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Not like we couldn't see this coming and not like we haven't seen the same sort of thing happen at other times in history.
4 American diplomats dead in Libya, one was the US Ambassador.
In Egypt the American embassy stormed by an angry mob, American flags burned, etc etc etc...the "Religion of peace", "Such a great grand beautiful religion"...it's just a few radicals...Puke...how much more is it going to take before the American people realize that Islam is not just a religion. It's a way of life, it's a political ideological all encompassing deeply embedded machine and far more than just a "Religion".

It also happens to not only be completely exlcusionary of any other religion, it is openly hostile toward and ultimately seeks to destroy or conquor them, Islam does not tolerate anything BUT Islam, it doesn't even tolerate NO religion, there is nothing but Islam, or you are the enemy.

There are only different levels to which that is practiced. On the outskirts in the more moderate practicing, concepts such as Jihad are akin to exercises on paper....something to be thought about, but not acted on...as the Muslims become more "Orthadox" these teachings become matters of real life and death.

There are vast tomes written about this, there is no reason to cite thousands of sources, quote thousands of other writers or list the thousands of examples of violence, murder, extreme reactions and or the constant outrage and irrational acts of the Modern day Muslims and Islamic nations. There are enough examples where it is accepted as fact and is common knowledge to any reasonable and rational thinker. The rational episodes of Islam in general throughout the world have become the annecdotal ones, the irrational, violent and formenting of violence are the norm. You either accept that or you don't, but it does not change it. It truly doesn't even warrant debate any longer, Islam is a violent operating system that seeks to conquor and control, it is only a matter of what level the Muslim is pratcing it at as to what level of either the hypothetical running through real life Jihad, destroy, conquor violence there is.

The sooner this nation as well as all other non-Islamic nations realize or admit this the sooner us and the world as a whole will better equipted to deal with this very serious problem, and a very serious problem is what it is. No one really cares if people want to merely think they are gods themselves, the grand wazoos of the universe, or are created and descended from pumkin seeds...who cares...go ahead and believe anything you want no matter how silly or awesome, good or bad, right or wrong anyone else thinks about it....frankly I couldn't care less. It is when that belief in something, anything, becomes an operating system for governing not only the law of individuals, but entire nations that it MUST be dealt with on a different level, because in fact at that point, it exists on a different level.

We need to stop making excuses for them...oh well someone made a movie that called them Doodyheads...so that's why they flipped out and killed some Americans.....OMG it seems we set foot on their soil at the request of their govt!!!...well well, so THAT'S why they attacked us!...of course, totally understandable....WUT WUT WUT???...Someone made a cartoon that made fun of them flipping out so they fliped out?...well of course they did, that's OUR FAULT...of course it's OUR FAULT!....the rest of world doesn't subscribe to your laws...we have freedom of speech...and no one goes on a killing spree mob rule berserk out when someone makes Jesus out of piss or shit or burns bibles...people might not like it, but they don't kill anyone over it. That is how it works at the grownups table and if you cannot deal with that?...you aren't going to be allowed at the grownup table...tough shit if you don't like it, bratty kids never do...and if you scream, wail and throw shit over that?...you can sit at no table and be sent to your room...it only gets worse from there.

That childrens scenerio is translated to real world international acts of policy in the forms of sanctions, less or no trade, all the way up military action if heaven forbid that is required. The next time some armed mob approaches a US embassy they are met with a superior force...or pull the Embassy if we do not have the stomach to defend it for real. Most times by far that sort of last resort situation never has to happen, that is...when America is respected and seen as strong, yet fair. We aren't going to take any shit...don't start any, there won't be any, but if you do?....you are going to wish you never did in the end, which will be YOUR end, not ours.

THAT above is a very simplistic answer, but it's a start as far as a beginning of a mindset goes...a mindset that our current President has seemed to reject..he has more or less in nutshell publically stated that apparently we have the hurt the Muslims feelings again and that is the root cause of this latest mob riot and the murder of four US citizens. If you plug that into the childrens disipline problem scenerio it would equate to asking why little Johnny was so upset that he burned the house down and killed your daughter...is the reason really relevant? Unless your daughter was firing a flame thrower out a window at Johnny and he only repelled some of the fire in self defense and the house lit on fire in the course of that defense, then it really isn't...it doesn't matter if your Daughter made a meanie face at him or called him a dookie stain or if the daughter was there to tutor him in math and he hates math....his response was far and away outside of what could be considered a reasoned and rational response or reaction, or even that a response was deserved as many times not responding at all is really the "Adult" thing to do in the case of a taunt.

In any case you don't buy Johnny a lollipop and tell him to try and do better next time...you either throw his ass in jail or you execute him because he killed people...you solve the Johnny Jihad problem one way or the other and the solution isn't always going to one of understanding his butthurt "feelings" when he kills a little girl. It's also at this time that if there is any soul searching on a psychological level to be done you might just want to look into why Johnny wasn't concerned enough over what he might face as a result of him burning your daughter to death and why he wasn't afraid or concerned enough about his own fate, why he didn't have enough respect for life, limb, property and consiquence to not burn the house down and kill your daughter in the first place.

You also don't take the living remainder of your kids and runaway to go live in a boarded up house and live in fear hoping it never happens again....while simultaneously removing all the police and fireman from your city posting a few in your yard alone, open up all the jails in the city and hope that works out...which is exactly what I see so many of you doing when you say that we need to shun the world and bring all our troops home to protect the border. Sorry, but living in fear and isolation will not work for America. Not only is that something that Americans should never consider because we do NOT live in fear and isolation, it just will not work practically and logistically...just like the city run wild while you live in your boarded up house with a cop and a fireman parked on the front lawn will not work...soon there will be no water, no electricity, how will you get food?..what will happen when the gangs of released convicts organize and roll down your street and penetrate your defenses?...and do you really want to live in reduced conditions just so feel more secure for only a little while until that eventuality comes roaring down your road?....that is not the answer.

In fact there is NO easy answer. There are simplistic ways to illustrate the situation so that anyone can understand it, but what to do about it and how to deal with it?...that is a very complex and ever changing situation of international importance...the "Islam Problem"...and this may very well be one of if not THE most important long term issue that the entire world faces.

I know that trying to "Play nice", hand holding and even helping them has not worked, this is what Obama has done and it has brought us closer to full out theater war in the middle east which is currently in the process of virtually self destructing and eating it's own young. It was also extremely naive as well as foolish if he actually believed that course of action would actually do any good because it never has in the past. Whether you believe he is just epically naive or that he has a more nefarious agenda is cause for debate at least, but it is obvious now that his agenda has led to and fostered more violence and expansion of extremism, regardless.

We have been reactionary in military response, for lack of better terminology, killing them after they pull off some sort of attack over the years...Also hasn't worked very well although it engages our military on "their turf" so to speak, but where has that really gotten us?...not any real gains as far as long term results go...maybe it's disrupted some enclaves and had some effect of holding the tide at bay temporarily, but that is all it has done. It has also cost us a lot in the price of blood and money, have we really gotten a desirable value for the cost?....I don't think so...

Ignoring the problem has also not worked...the results of that were the Taliban taking over afghanistan and becoming a training ground for those who later committed the largest attack by modern Islam against the USA...at home...along with a hit parade of other violent and or oppressive acts of some of the most extreme behaviors the world has ever witnessed.

So if playing friend to them doesn't work, killing the ones that cross some line doesn't work, ignoring them doesn't work...what will?....

Because if nothing we are willing to try works?...we are only going to continue to face a growing, ever advancing and increasingly overtly violent psychopathic hoarde of Islamics that are governed and controled by not just a religion, but by a theocratic operating system of life and governance that knows no end other than total world domination. One that controls entire nation states as well as people...a lot of people...well over a billion to varying degrees.


As I watch the political pundits review the deaths of our Libyan diplomats and the assualt on our embassy in Egypt I have come to conclusion that we are sorrily prepared for dealing with this problem. In fact if anything we are currently making things worse. We are not dealing with the Islamic problem from a position of strength and that has not only never worked well for America in general, it's also never worked with or on the Islamics, at all...ever.

Eventually this juagernaught is going to meet the rest of the world head on, it will, because it is now and has been for a very long time been advancing toward a confrontation which it seems to desire. Since the rest of the world isn't on board with the program of being dominated in a global Islamic caliphate, one side or the other is going to be pushed back as the other resists...and on the scale of human kind that we are ALL involved in this, like it or not?....it could mean anything from several relatively large confrontations to an Armageddon world war....that is a very dark proposition if we allow it to progress that far....

Godspeed to all...I don't think it's too late to turn back....hope not anyway...but we are near, moving forward toward it and getting ever closer...
 Quoting: SHR


Dear SHR,

Please read "Confessions of a British Spy."

[link to www.google.com]

The British Empire version of Islam, initiated by Wahhab and later modified by the modern west, is not the Islam that created good mathematics and other things. It is not the tolerant religion of the Ottoman Empire, wherein Christians and Jewish people were thought about as "people of the book." Islam is indeed very much as you say, however there are more secular forms that are being destroyed. Wahhab was educated at Oxford for his very mission of dividing and conquering the middle east, and the British did not have to soil themselves by killing them. The Wahhabi sect would kill other Muslims, and create terror. The current version the "Islamic Brotherhood," is worse.
"With an eye made quiet by the power of harmony and the deep power of joy, we see into the life of things." William Wordsworth

And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe—the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.

John F. Kennedy Inaugural Address

Lincoln's economic advisor Henry C. Carey explained the universal issue in his 1851 Harmony of Interests:

"Two systems are before the world.... One looks to pauperism, ignorance, depopulation, and barbarism; the other to increasing wealth, comfort, intelligence, combination of action, and civilization. One looks towards universal war; the other towards universal peace. One is the English system; the other ... the American system, for ... elevating while equalizing the condition of man throughout the world."
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if alien races do exist, now would be a good time for them to 'show' themselves publically, and to end all religions and give us a new way of thinking
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we're in the midst of a holy war.

israel is commandeering the US (mostly christians) to use their army to fight israel's wars.

75-80% of the US military are identified as christian.
around 20% are agnostic/atheist
the rest are jewish/muslim/other
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War will ensue, the west will win and the radicals will be written as devils in the history books.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

I'm not so sure the West would win, anymore. We are mostly a bunch of pansified momma's boys that don't have the stomach for real war anymore.


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Speak for yourself. I am armed to the teeth and a mean son-of-a-bitch. I would gut'em and not miss a wink of sleep. See ya.
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no more wars on Earth
the picture is bigger than presented down here [divisive one]
enjoy your times & address your feelings [+ influence]

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I read your whole post, OP. I too agree with the hopelessness of the situation. Looking at it from my Christian perspective, I'm seeing the beginning of the clashing of the nations before the the BIG war begins.

I honestly don't see any real solutions. People are who they are and there's a great divide between North Americans and the rest of the world. Throw religion into the mix and now you have a ton of TNT and some really missed up power freaks wanting to be the first to light the fuse.

Not much we can do but pray and hope it can be contained but we all know how things can get out of control quickly and with Obama looking like he's only interesting in "talking peace" and avoiding conflicts at all cost, our world has become a very dangerous place to live in.

Our planet is about to change in ways that we can't currently fathom. I always felt deep in my inner being that people would eventually go mad when the end of days rowed around and I think I'm going to be right on the money with that theory.

Good post BTW
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militia
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The Islamic world is a snakepit, but like all snakepits if you just left it alone it would leave you alone.

The hand that's pushing you into the snakepit is the Zionist hand.
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I think we need a lot of serious investigation as to exactly what happened out there before we all go baling into backing Zionism...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


exactly.

A bunch of Pentagon shills showing their true colors today.


Most people know that the Zionists rule the world, and that deception is their favorite weapon.

The only dumbasses that buy into this fox-news type bullshit are senior citizens who are too old fashioned to realize that the media is lying to them.

The media has been lying since WW2, but us younger generations are finally seeing the world for what it really is.

George Orwell was right.
 Quoting: chris999


^^^^
This.
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The Islamic world is a snakepit, but like all snakepits if you just left it alone it would leave you alone.

The hand that's pushing you into the snakepit is the Zionist hand.
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working analogy right there
nice Japan!
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Looks like people are falling for TPTB grand scheme of things, mind control. Shame on you & the muslims for falling for it. Muslims are not your enemy, the enemy is you. Hate is poison for the soul, we need to take control of our own minds instead of being brainwashed by TPTB.
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Every detail you need to about the Muzzie faith.


As you will see below, Muhammad posed as an apostle of God. Yet his life is filled with lustfulness (12 marriages and sex with a child, slaves and concubines), rapes, warfare, conquests, and unmerciful butcheries. The infinitely good, just and all holy God simply cannot tolerate anything in the least unjust or sinful. What Muhammad produced in the Qur'an is simply a book of gibberish consisting of later evil verses abrogating (superseding) earlier peaceful verses. These verses in Arabic poetically "tickle" the ears of Arab listeners. Islam is a caustic blend of paganism and twisted Bible stories. Muhammad, its lone "prophet", who made no prophecies, conceived his religion to satiate his lust for power, sex, and money. He was a terrorist. And if you think these conclusions are shocking, wait until you see the evidence mostly from Islamic historians below. 70% of what is here is from Muslim and ex-Muslim historians - back to the 8th century and the Qur'an itself.

[link to bibleprobe.com]
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Looks like people are falling for TPTB grand scheme of things, mind control. Shame on you & the muslims for falling for it. Muslims are not your enemy, the enemy is you. Hate is poison for the soul, we need to take control of our own minds instead of being brainwashed by TPTB.
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exactly!
hf
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Looks like people are falling for TPTB grand scheme of things, mind control. Shame on you & the muslims for falling for it. Muslims are not your enemy, the enemy is you. Hate is poison for the soul, we need to take control of our own minds instead of being brainwashed by TPTB.
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That doesn't even make sence.putin
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Looks like people are falling for TPTB grand scheme of things, mind control. Shame on you & the muslims for falling for it. Muslims are not your enemy, the enemy is you. Hate is poison for the soul, we need to take control of our own minds instead of being brainwashed by TPTB.
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That doesn't even make sence.putin
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because you are still asleep

would love to talk more but gotta go to work.
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You know, maybe in this us Dutchies are one step ahead of you, for once. We don't let 'the game' be put upon us any longer. Let me explain.


In the elections we had yesterday, the Wilders' party lost bigtime, after they'd already for a major part ditched the anti-Muslim part 'in favor of' a anti-Europe sound. He lost, middle parties; one slightly leftwing, one rightwing, won bigtime.


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and with that I wanted to say it seems we've started ditching our OWN fundamentalistic points of view. We're accepting our change in culture (it's just evolutionary biology) and start tackling the REAL (manmade) problems at hand. No more far rightwing (Wilders), no far leftwing (Socialist Party) but firmly in between. Not the split duality, but a more centred policy. Less divide and conquer, but unite and conquer.

In my view it's a major disadvantage of your (US's) politic two party system; it's made for divide and conquer tactics, no options in between for solide, uniting policies.

Don't be fooled into the game too much, please. The enemy's within.
 Quoting: R...


How'd that work out for Theo Van Gogh?....

Dutch culture is history anyway...your TFR is less than 1.8....in a few generations there won't anything left of the Netherlands as you know it and there will be nothing but "Multi-Culturalism" that remains due to Immigration. That is what you have left for the future of your country...a footnote of history and a few exhibits in a museum.
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nothing lost there afro
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Wonder which handler gave him that to post?
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You write nice and all, but you just do not live in reality SHR.
 Quoting: Skeeter 23635682


Islam, the middle east, and Israel's foreign policy goals....are not American goals.

This Netanyahoo psy op...is very colorful, and well organized...but, it is all fraud to promote an attack on Iran.

I guarantee you...Fox News will use this psy op violence to promote an attack on Iran.

Read up on KESHE FOUNDATION, and free energy comes from....yup....Iran.

A muslim country offers "free energy to the world" and has technology to "end all wars" and......this thread starter, promotes the attack on Iran?????????
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I think we need a lot of serious investigation as to exactly what happened out there before we all go baling into backing Zionism...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


exactly.

A bunch of Pentagon shills showing their true colors today.


Most people know that the Zionists rule the world, and that deception is their favorite weapon.

The only dumbasses that buy into this fox-news type bullshit are senior citizens who are too old fashioned to realize that the media is lying to them.

The media has been lying since WW2, but us younger generations are finally seeing the world for what it really is.

George Orwell was right.
 Quoting: chris999


^^^^
This.
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just THIS 1994
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Looks like people are falling for TPTB grand scheme of things, mind control. Shame on you & the muslims for falling for it. Muslims are not your enemy, the enemy is you. Hate is poison for the soul, we need to take control of our own minds instead of being brainwashed by TPTB.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1370992


It is human nature canucks.

The flesh is stronger than the spirit.
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Sheesh...I only thought you were an idiot up till now...
 Quoting: SHR


No, I just call it as I see it.

I am smart enough to know that if Fox News says something, it is a lie. (or CNN or MSNBC)

You know it is true.



9/11 was fake as hell, and so is this. This generation isnt as easy to fool as the baby-boomers were. The same bullshit wont work on us twice...
 Quoting: chris999


Yup! Makes ya wonder how much more elaborate the 'next deception' will be? That's the trick...staying one step ahead ~ hf
 Quoting: Beso


Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Sometimes Islamic fanatics are just Islamic fanatics. Send your son or daughter over there to talk sense to them. Or you go yourself.
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SHIT NO. lol I didn't say they weren't fanatics or that these things aren't happening. There is just a hell of a lot more to the 'story' than we are ever told. One would be foolish if they didn't realize how much we are swayed by media. hf
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Re: So here we are...
the solution is simple

GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST
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TL'DR

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