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Levees Blown Say Eyewitnesses -
Media Ignores Them
Eye Witnesses Living Near 17th St. Levee
Say Loud Explosion Heard Just Prior
To Raging Waters Flooding The 9th Ward

By Greg Szymanski
1-9-5

Eye witnesses are starting to come forward, some only a block away from the 17th
St Canal levee break, saying they heard a loud, powerful explosion right before water starting gushing in, as they ended up in a matter of minutes floating downstream on their rooftops.

Terry Adams, who lives one block away from the 17th
St. break, remembers hearing what sounded "like a bomb going off" from where the levee gave-way before rushing water forced him to his rooftop.

"Everything was calm, it was late at night and the storm had passed. I thought we had dodged a bullet and there was no water in my house and I was only a block away from the 17 th
St. break," said Adams, a lower 9th
Ward resident, in an extended conversation this week from New Orleans.

"Then I heard what sounded like a bomb go off from the direction of where the levee gave-way and within a matter of minutes I was forced up on my roof where I floated for about a mile into town before somehow getting to safety."

Asked if he was sure he heard an explosion, he added: "Water breaking a levee isn't going to make the noise I heard and besides, the levee should have broke before or during the storm, not afterward.

"I heard an explosion and so did a lot of other people. It came right from where the levee broke. What else could it have been but somebody blowing up the levee?"

The question of how the levee burst in one gigantic place at the 17th
St. and London Ave. drainage canals, estimated by some to be a gaping hole three football fields long, as well as a number of other locations, has been on the minds of other local residents from the lower 9 th
Ward besides Adams, many hearing the same explosions but being ignored by the mainstream media, putting their accounts in the realm of conspiracy theorists.

For example, whenever the subject of the levees being intentionally detonated comes up, most mainstream commentators like ABC's Michel Martin, dismiss even the slightest possibility of foul play, appeasing Black listeners with comments such as this:

"Anybody with any knowledge of history can understand why a lot of people can feel this way, but any real possibility that the levies were intentionally exploded must be dismissed."

However, according to Ryan Washington, a long time New Orleans bus driver and former resident of the lower 9th
Ward who grew up playing football on top the levee, said the possibility of government dirty work and foul play isn't so far fetched.


Now living in nearby Slidell, also hard hit by the hurricane, he has talked to numerous eye witnesses who say the exact same thing as Adams, insisting the levee was blown up and didn't give-way by natural means.

Washington also said the media should not concentrate on testimony from experts, new commentators and government officials, who have biased opinions, buy emphasis should be placed on interviewed the hundreds if not thousands of people who heard or saw something the night the levees blew.

"Why don't they talk to the people who were there? Why are they relying on government experts who have a reason to hide the truth? I personally am gathering a list of people, a long list, who saw and heard what really happened that night," said Washington, in a telephone conversation this week from New Orleans.

He added that government officials have been wanted to get hold of the valuable lower 9th
Ward property ever since 1965 when Hurricane Betsy flooded the area and the same suspicions of foul play circulated through his neighborhood.

"I even have talked to many reporters on the scene and tell them to get the story from the horse's mouth and talk to the people," said Washington, adding it's easier to hear and learn the real truth on a city bus than behind the veil of city hall and the corrupted television cameras.

"The stories about people hearing and seeing explosions, as well as stories about bomb residue being found at the scene, never see the light of day or get in the papers or on television.

"And if they do, these stories are always dismissed as being crazy or discredited by experts or government officials, who I personally don't believe one bit."

According to Washington, several important factors convince him beyond a reasonable doubt that the levees were blown intentionally to racially cleanse the city, as well as the first step in a redevelopment plan to put up high rise casinos and hotels in the lower 9 th
Ward.

"First, they always say that explosion was a power generator. But the power was off when the levees blew and the power station they were talking about was not in the vicinity of where the explosions were heard," said Washington. "Next, they say the barge in the canal broke the levees. I never once saw a barge in the canal in all the years I lived there.

"Also, if it did plow through the levee, it never would have made such a noise or cause an immediate break three football fields long. Further, why were immediately on the scene to fence of the levees so no one could see what happened when it too them more than 10 days in some cases to rescue people. What are they hiding?

"Please someone from the media come down here and get the real story as I have talked to so many people who feel the same way I do. The government has been trying to get our land since 1965 and they are still trying today."

Besides numerous residents suspecting foul play, New York filmmaker Spike Lee in October Lee said on Friday night's Real Time with Bill Maher on HBO, that he believes Louis Farakhan's allegation that a levee was blown up to flood the nearly all-Black 9th Ward.

Lee added that "a choice had to be made, one neighborhood got to save another neighborhood and flood another 'hood, flood another neighborhood." He then engaged in a heated battle of words with neo con shill and MSNBC reporter, bow tied Tucker Carlson, who dismissed Lee as conspiracy theorist spreading paranoia and fear.

At this point the short exchange between the two shows Carlson's true colors as a government propagandist and as far from being a journalist as George W. Bush himself:

Lee: "Presidents have been assassinated. So why is that so far-fetched? Do you think that election in 2000 was fair? You don't think that was rigged If they can rig an election, they can do anything!"

Carlson: "I was in New Orleans right after the hurricane in the ninth ward. And while I didn't hear anybody say the levee was blown up by the federal government, I did interview a bunch of people who were stuck there who said they believed this was part of the conspiracy to rid New Orleans of black people. They honestly believed that. I didn't argue with them, I just listened to what they said and I felt bad for them. So as you sit here -- who is someone who is rich and has option -- and are watched by people who are poor and have no options, it seems to me it's your responsibility, your obligation to tell them the truth and you know the truth, which is the federal government did not blow up the levees so don't feed the paranoia and the crazies."

Lee: "First of all, how's that feeding the paranoia?"

Carlson: "Because you're saying it's entirely possible when you know perfectly well it's not possible."

Lee: "How's it not possible?"

Although numerous questions remain unanswered about the reason behind the levee controversy, one question never posed was how could a man like Carlson ever call himself a fair-minded journalist after comments made on Real Time?

"I know why," said Washington. "These journalists are as corrupt as the government folks they write about. I'm only a bus driver but I know the difference between right and wrong and the media is dead wrong by not covering this story fairly.

One of the biggest controversies still brewing is the preliminary results of the three main investigatory groups looking at why the levees erupted. The groups, all tied to government interests, include the National Science Foundation in conjunction with the American Society of Civil Engineers; the United States Army Corps of Engineers; and the third group being funded by the State of Louisiana, led by scientists at the Louisiana State University hurricane center.

Although each investigation is independent of the other, scientists claim to be sharing data, coming to some surprising preliminary conclusions, one of which could have enormous consequences.

In a recent article by John M. Barry analyzing the data from the three groups, he looks at some of the suspicious preliminary questions, raising even more questions of how could the 17th
St. levee break with such a small storm surge emanating from Lake Pontchartrain not the Gulf of Mexico.

"We know that Hurricane Katrina made landfall with enormous power, devastating the Gulf Coast, and that the levee on the Industrial Canal in New Orleans was overtopped by a storm surge coming directly from the Gulf of Mexico. When a levee is overtopped, there is basically nothing that can be done. Water pouring over a levee long enough will, in effect, wash part of the levee away. That's what happened on the Industrial Canal, resulting in the flooding of part of the Ninth Ward, along with much of St. Bernard and Plaquemines Parishes.

"But most of New Orleans was not flooded by water coming directly from the Gulf. It was flooded from the north and rear by Lake Pontchartrain , when levees failed along the 17th Street and London Avenue drainage canals. Initially, the Corps of Engineers said that the storm was so great that it overtopped these levees also.

"But after inspecting the levees and reviewing storm data, all three investigating teams agree: Hurricane Katrina hit Lake Pontchartrain with far less strength than it did the Gulf Coast, and the storm surge fell well short of the tops of the levees. In fact, a design or construction flaw caused them to collapse in the face of a force they were designed to hold. In other words, if the levies had performed as they were supposed to, the deaths in New Orleans proper, the scenes in the Superdome and the city's devastation would never have taken place."

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Greg Szymanski





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Re: NO levees blown
When tons of earth give way to millions of gallons of water, do you think it happens silently?

Explosions... Pfft!
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01/09/2006 01:18 PM
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George Bush doesn't like black people.
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when Hurricane Katrina hit the land, it was only category 2.
There is no way it could have broken those levies.
BS in its purest form. And many people were onto the hoax.
Weather centeres included.
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W likes brown Rice.
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OR... Nagin and Blanco lined their pockets instead of bulding levees to spec and they burst violently.
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" when Hurricane Katrina hit the land, it was only category 2.
There is no way it could have broken those levies. "

CORRECT and nothing else!
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ...
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NO stands for New Orleans, right?

There is no question in my circle of friends that the levees were intentionally blown up...

...Katrina was a cat 2 when it finally hit NewOrleans...there is a 50 mile wide buffer of "wetlands" between the coast and the city but you would not know that from reading or watching the news...

...Of course, if they can pull down the WTC and lie about it, I have every reason in the world to believe they blew up the levees, and now lie about it...

...In the land of BushCo the Tyrants, anything they want is possible...

They have their agenda...and we have ours!

SIC TEMPER TYRANNIS
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>>>"There is no question in my circle of friends that the levees were intentionally blown up..."<<<

No one really cares what you and your cat think...
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we talked so some survivors from NOLA, they too heard loud explosion, before water started coming up..
We used to live by the Lake there, it waslater unundated 10 feet.
Thank God we moved 3 years ago..
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A few others and I already said they were blown up some hours after the disaster started.

Of course I was bashed for that.
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ...
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AC61392:

You can read the title as:
>> No levees blown <<
If you like it better that way.
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ...
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Some time ago, there were protests in LA (black people).
I was listening to Hannity on the radio, and they were playing clips from the protest. You could hear people yelling out about Levies blown and govt not wanting blacks there...
Well, Hannity totally ignored that (surprise!) and kept spinning the story by talking about FEMA and Democrats.
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I recall the dire forecasts for NO for days and days.

The Hurricane bore down, and it really looked bad.

The it came ashore, and a weaker, but still a very powerful storm.

It was still headed to NO.

THEN

A slight right hand push. A very sharp jump of the eyewall to the east of NO. Just enough to clear it as the storm passed by. Very evident from the satellite view.

The Hurricane wiped out much of the Gulf though. mainly thru stormsurge, and the hurricane did pack a wind punch.

Yet NO escaped yet again. The next morning showed little damage.

All those high profile reporters that flew into NO came out and were "amazed" at how little damage had been done to the city.

(didn't anyone else find it strange that all the networks flew there top reporters into NO to report this storm. At thietime they arrived the projection was for a HIT. and the hurricane was just offshore, and a 5 or a strong four. Yet all the top reporters/anchors from cable and network were in NO. A cat 5 bearing down on them, yet they went. )

THen within hours the story changed. and we all know what we were shown.

Helicopters rescuing people. In a city and countryside littered with boats of all kinds. No water resues. Helicopters. (then we find out most of the citizen boats were told to turn around.)

and then the stories get even worse.

my point is the conspritital pov could be this.

In weather wars the hurricane was being directed to NO. If that had happened it could have been much much much worse. At that point rescues by helicopter would have been the most effective. Many would have been in bed asleep if the levees had failed. As they weren't most had time to find higher ground. Many still even at this time of day did not.

But the "other side" nudges the hurricane and decreases its winds.

The side that wanted NO gone, had a plan B. Risky, but they took it.

Who is they in this case. Is it one side doing all. If so, then well. If it is different sides. Are we in some sort of long term economic war using weather.

Or is it all just a coincidence.
when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
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He added that government officials have been wanted to get hold of the valuable lower 9th
Ward property ever since 1965


D....for what purpose? what do you think the government would want THIS area for.

I am not understanding.
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No one is rushing to rebuild it as a "city". like it was.

Its a major major sea port.

Its being shut down has cost farmers lots of money in the midwest.

Some may not grow next year, lost too much already.

Then the drought seems to be sticking a around.

Ameica's breadbasket is changing for many reasons.
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Freya, for high rise and office building developments?

I don't know, but the explosion story has been there from the beginning.

I know the government lies most of the time, so to figure out the truth, I start by assuming they are lying.

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