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When TSHTF and money is worthiness and you're not working, what happens when you pay rent?

 
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09/13/2012 08:35 PM
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We are such a capitalism only country that we never even consider that the government could step in to restore order for a while. But no, that would be communism. Goverment isn't ALWAYS bad people!
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idiot the government has been stepping in to maintain order
at some point no matter how much they enforce monetary
regulation people are not going to want a piece of paper
which will soon be worthless.

you either have tangables or barter when that happens
plenty of history to confirm that if you go to the trouble to study some
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09/13/2012 08:37 PM
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You answered your own question; if the tshtf and money is worthless, how will your pay rent in the first place?

I'd personally say fuck it
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09/13/2012 08:38 PM
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All payments will be carried out in pounds of flesh.
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The Chinese kick you out , because the landlord cant pay his taxes , and the u.s gooberment is in debt to the tune of 16 trillion.

Over 500 thousand years in seconds.
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Re: When TSHTF and money is worthiness and you're not working, what happens when you pay rent?
who's going to force/enforce evictions?
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If you dont own you're screwed. The people who you pay rent to will happily evict you
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bsflag we ALL rent. Try NOT paying your property taxes and see how that works out for you. The people YOU pay rent to (the city/town/municipality) will happily evict you.
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Re: When TSHTF and money is worthiness and you're not working, what happens when you pay rent?
who's going to force/enforce evictions?
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If you dont own you're screwed. The people who you pay rent to will happily evict you
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From reading about SHTF events, it will go like this:

Food / electricity / supplies runs out, 90% of people living in the apartments try to go to their relatives.

The people left in the apartments either:

Have guns, and are a large family, gang, or group that trusts each other a lot. They "take over" the apartment complex.

The owner of the complex is not going to evict ANYONE, because most people will leave themselves and anyone that doesn't will stay there because they have a good number of trusted people with them.

Basically, apartment complexes will not inhabited by the original occupants before the SHTF event because most people that live in an apartment do not know their neighbors very well. A large family will probably move in AFTER the SHTF and set up a base there.
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Re: When TSHTF and money is worthiness and you're not working, what happens when you pay rent?
who's going to force/enforce evictions?
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If you dont own you're screwed. The people who you pay rent to will happily evict you
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You're missing the point. I rent and there is not a chance in hell I will be evicted unless my land lord shows up with an Apache or an Abrams. When the shit hits the fan, it is the guy with the biggest gun and the most bullets who makes the rules.

You think civilian law enforcement are going to help you do an eviction when the grocery stores are being looted and there are riots in the streets? Fat fucking chance buddy.

It is those who "own" who will be screwed. All you dumb asses with mortgages will find out real quick. Our government is run by the banks and they will gladly enforce foreclosures for as long as they can get away with it....Until the country descends into chaos.
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Who the hell do you think owns most of your rental properties brain child?

Say hello to the bank's enforcement youself.
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In the Bible it says, they threw their gold and silver in the streets, as it is worthless. you all sold your sou ls for free cell phone and food stamps. But yet our goverment grows corn for gasoline, just how dumb are you all. Hemp is easy to grow and easily replace corn as a better fuelsource! Corn feeds livestock !! No money then you will go to one of obamas concentraion camps and bush,aka as George W and all the elite want us dead anywway, so better buy some KY jellyrant and bend over if your poor we are screwed,Putin for President, impeach little barry and his silver back wife.
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Re: When TSHTF and money is worthiness and you're not working, what happens when you pay rent?
In the Bible it says, they threw their gold and silver in the streets, as it is worthless. you all sold your sou ls for free cell phone and food stamps. But yet our goverment grows corn for gasoline, just how dumb are you all. Hemp is easy to grow and easily replace corn as a better fuelsource! Corn feeds livestock !! No money then you will go to one of obamas concentraion camps and bush,aka as George W and all the elite want us dead anywway, so better buy some KY jellyrant and bend over if your poor we are screwed,Putin for President, impeach little barry and his silver back wife.
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12/08/2012 02:57 AM
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Re: When TSHTF and money is worthiness and you're not working, what happens when you pay rent?
who's going to force/enforce evictions?
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If you dont own you're screwed. The people who you pay rent to will happily evict you
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If the SHTF ain't nobody gonna be thinking about "Oh , the Jones rent is overdue"
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12/08/2012 02:59 AM
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this is an interesting question
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12/08/2012 03:00 AM
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they are crap ass landlords

who caresw about them
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12/08/2012 03:03 AM
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i say the landlord/tenant join forces against all the outsiders until the economic situation is figured out.
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why all this violence , just give ole landlordo a bottle of good stuff with some methanol in it , problem solved
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12/08/2012 03:09 AM
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Re: When TSHTF and money is worthiness and you're not working, what happens when you pay rent?
you have to ask yourself what you would do if you were a landlord. would you kick your tenant out if no one had any money anymore?
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12/08/2012 03:12 AM
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In the aftermath, it will be too chaotic to care. But as time passes, then most likely a surviving owner would be forced to hire security to take it. Now this is problematic, isn't it? It's doubtful that the owner has clear title, as most have mortgaged to pay for it, and so only own a portion. Banks could in effect do the same, and use private security to evict, but in the absence of continuous authority, the places would likely be filled with squatters moments after the security left.

Banks don't want the property. They want money or assets that make them money. It's possible that apartment owners or banks could become feudal lords like English imposed in Ireland and Scotland, and a lot of people would become serfs, or maybe tenant farmers in lieu of money. I see this as very likely since it follows history.

It gets complicated. Let's say a person dies and squatters come in and take everything and live in the home. Then the deceased family arrives to claim the property. See the issues?

People assume either nothing will happen, or a complete collapse, but neither of those outcomes is very likely. What probably will happen is a slow collapse, or varying degrees of chaos.
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Re: When TSHTF and money is worthiness and you're not working, what happens when you pay rent?
Imagine everyone you know without a place to live. Billions homeless
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Folks would build makeshift shacks on the streets. I think materials may be a problem this time around.
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One thing is for sure, women will be drinking gallons of sperm if they don't have a smart and worthy man who has prepared well. Rape will be so common that women might as well quit wearing pants. Just bend over and take the injection.

In every single collapse scenario it's the same thing. Eating pets, shoe leather, and women giving sex for a can of soup. Yea people go nuts when they're starving.

You could always just kill your landlord. But maybe he'll get you first. Most likely you'll just have to pimp your girl out and let him bust nuts all up inside of her with no condom.

Moral of the story, get ready now.
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Where do you get these fantasies from? No, she'll join a gang or her psychopath husband will rob and kill people.
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12/08/2012 03:37 AM
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Re: When TSHTF and money is worthiness and you're not working, what happens when you pay rent?
If everyone is in the same boat, and they throw everyone out, they'll get zero rents anyway. I think if money was worthless, they'd at least accept your valuables for awhile, or even food. Landlords will be hungry too.
 Quoting: Earth Daughter


If money was worthless then the landlords can't get any. I mean, you could give them legal paper money, if they refuse to accept it, it's their problem. It says on the paper money that it's a legal tender. (if it's not printed at home, lol)

Also, it would apply to everything else, so we would have a totally new situation, not only rent paying problems.
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Imagine everyone you know without a place to live. Billions homeless
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Folks would build makeshift shacks on the streets. I think materials may be a problem this time around.
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Lol, everybody would sleep just 5 yards away from their houses and apartments enjoying the fresh air.
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12/08/2012 03:45 AM
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Re: When TSHTF and money is worthiness and you're not working, what happens when you pay rent?
I own a rental property. If money is worthless, I fail to see why I should go to the effort to collect something worthless (equal to a pail of dirt) from the lady living in my spare house.

Besides, I think I want to keep her there to avoid having an empty property.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


Exactly. You'd probably be ahead to have someone making sure the pipes don't freeze, the yard stays cleared, the windows aren't broken out. Besides, most of us aren't stupid assholes. Throwing a renter out means you think you have another renter lined up who can pay. There won't be one in this scenario.
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Re: When TSHTF and money is worthiness and you're not working, what happens when you pay rent?
If there's no authority, which is usually how such a scenario is illustrated (WROL), then there's no rules of civilized behavior. That means utilities will get cut, and a lot of people will move out.

During the Great Depression, a lot of agricultural workers were sharecroppers in the South. They'd lived on these tenant farms for generations. Then they were evicted. People abided by the law then, I doubt they will now.

In lieu of money, the only things of value are bartered goods and services. Some very normal transactions could occur, or some very heinous ones in the abscence of a monetary system. Since whole cities could lost utlities, it matters not, for people will vacate places without sewers and running water, but will tolerate a lack of electricity and natural gas for heating.

I look for marijuana to become a very common barter item. Sweat through hard labor will likely become a service provided for rents. Unless one has marketable skills that the landowner desires, or can produce a good of some kind like shoes, gloves, sharpening, felling trees, growing crops, etc, then why bother accepting tenants in the first place?
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I own a rental property. If money is worthless, I fail to see why I should go to the effort to collect something worthless (equal to a pail of dirt) from the lady living in my spare house.

Besides, I think I want to keep her there to avoid having an empty property.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


Exactly. You'd probably be ahead to have someone making sure the pipes don't freeze, the yard stays cleared, the windows aren't broken out. Besides, most of us aren't stupid assholes. Throwing a renter out means you think you have another renter lined up who can pay. There won't be one in this scenario.
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Here's the wild card. The hipsters with trust funds always have money. But the landlord must be in a trendy neighborhood with artist types.
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If you dont own your home and pay rent, in the next Great Deppression are landlords just going to throw everyone out on the streets?
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Nope, a good landord would welcome the opportunity to have his tennants work off the rent or barter.

Same as for the last 10,000 years.
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If you dont own your home and pay rent, in the next Great Deppression are landlords just going to throw everyone out on the streets?
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Nope, a good landord would welcome the opportunity to have his tennants work off the rent or barter.

Same as for the last 10,000 years.

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Then who were the people in the pictures from the 1930's depression living in makeshift shelters in the streets if a lot of people were not evicted?
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There were a lot of people who left their rental homes in search of a better life in California, but today that tends to be in fracking areas. While that's a possibility, it's s repugnant one, and they still have a terrific shortage of workers.

So a lot of tenant farmers packed up what they could load on a truck and lived in makeshift shelters. Some were little more than holes due in the sides of hills and supported with branches. Don't think you won't be homeless. It can very well happen. It just depends upon how much authority there is as the collapse progresses.

We have tons of empty property now, but there's tons more in homes that haven't been foreclosed upon yet. Then lots of renters as a result of people losing income and their homes.

I look for a lot of squatting to take place.
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12/08/2012 04:07 AM
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If everyone is in the same boat, and they throw everyone out, they'll get zero rents anyway. I think if money was worthless, they'd at least accept your valuables for awhile, or even food. Landlords will be hungry too.
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THIS

I own and manage 45 sfh properties
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I don't own a home, but I've got this nifty tent that can fit my whole family. So we're cool.
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If you dont own your home and pay rent, in the next Great Deppression are landlords just going to throw everyone out on the streets?
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Nope, a good landord would welcome the opportunity to have his tennants work off the rent or barter.

Same as for the last 10,000 years.

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Then who were the people in the pictures from the 1930's depression living in makeshift shelters in the streets if a lot of people were not evicted?
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Those were people who didn't prep. One of the first rules for any disaster is to have a place to go and make sure you are nowhere near a large population center.

I live in Iowa and no one here was hurting for food or jobs. Their job in Iowa was to make food...plenty of work to go around when people in big cities are starving.