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MuayThai User ID: 15873665 Philippines 09/14/2012 08:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just think about it, a few weeks ago the euro was scraping the 1.22 level and now it's over 1.29, what a load. The only people who are benefiting are the traders who have the inside scoop on these markets. Everyone else is being played for fools. I gotta love these financial channel talking heads who are trying to sell this QE3 BS. Their money will become just as worthless as mine and they are happy about it. Morons |
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Therion156 User ID: 1461665 United States 09/14/2012 11:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Read the Feds Press statement at the St. Louis Fed site.... it explicitly states that the Fed is going to "REINVEST THE PRINCIPLE OF AGENCY DEBT" into MBS at a rate of $40 bb per month.... IOW the Fed is not printing money that would support the bond market, they announced they are merely moving one class of assets (long bonds) into another class of assets (MBS) as an official policy.... Therefore the Fed has announced it is terminating FULL support (but not all supports) for the long bond by moving into MBS... Go to St. Louis Fed and look at "All Liquidity Swaps chart," what you will observe is that the Fed has been purchasing UST's and swapping them for MBS since the beginning of 2012.... Yesterday the Fed merely made public their covert ongoing policy of MBS Swaps and said they would continue that policy.... Why MBS? The banks are insolvent by holding worthless & devalued MBS that cannot be employed as collateral..... so the Fed began an operation of buying up UST's then covertly swapping low risk highly acceptable collateral for high risk nonacceptable collateral to prevent the banks from declaring insolvency.... a bank cannot operate with nonacceptable worthless collateral, but the Fed can! Thus an insolvent bank holding $250 bb face value MBS that is actually worth $100 bb can swap the devalued $250 bb MBS with the Fed for $250 bb UST's .... now the bank returns to market solvency with low risk collateral by shifting the unacceptable MBS to the Fed. The Feds books only record the swap in notional value.... the relaxing of "mark to market" accounting rules did not prevent the "real market" from discounting or not accepting the questionable collateral.... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 21589881 Sweden 09/14/2012 12:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “The fallacy of monetary policy in the U.S. is to believe this money will go to the man on the street. It won't. It goes to the Mayfair economy of the well-to-do people and boosts asset prices of Warhols…Very happy. Very good for the Fed. Congratulations, Mr. Bernanke. I’m happy. My asset values go up but as a responsible citizen I have to say the monetary policies of the U.S. will destroy the world.” Faber on more Federal Reserve stimulus: “It is difficult to tell what will happen. I happen to believe that eventually we will have a systemic crisis and everything will collapse. But the question is really between here and then. Will everything collapse with Dow Jones 20,000 or 50,000 or 10 million? Mr. Bernanke is a money printer and, believe me, if Mr. Romney wins the election the next Fed chairman will also be a money printer. And so it will go on. The Europeans will print money. The Chinese will print money. Everybody will print money and the purchasing power of paper money will go down. And I don't like bonds. I don't particularly like equities, but I think equities are a better space to be in than bonds.” On what he will do with his portfolio in reaction to yesterday’s move: “I own corporate bonds and I recently, as I wrote, I pulled some bonds from Kazakhstan because Kazakhstan economically is a much sounder country than the United States or any European country. But it is in small doses. I wouldn't put all of my money in corporate bonds. |
Saddletramp User ID: 736749 Puerto Rico 09/14/2012 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You know it's a helluva day in the news when this story is back page... "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
Saddletramp User ID: 736749 Puerto Rico 09/14/2012 12:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The derivative markets will be under a lot of pressure very soon... Not sure 40 billion a month is going to keep our banks afloat through this... "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
Saddletramp User ID: 736749 Puerto Rico 09/14/2012 12:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Moody's threat to downgrade the U.S. debt is looking more and more like it's going to be a reality... "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
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Therion156 User ID: 1461665 United States 09/14/2012 02:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry folks... there will be NO massive sell off in bonds... at least not yet... the banks that are using these bonds as collateral can sustain major losses compared to the losses they received on their MBS as collateral.... As of NOW, the UST is the best horse in the glue factory.... |
Therion156 User ID: 1461665 United States 09/14/2012 02:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Derivatives which are mostly outstanding "INTEREST RATE SWAPS" are, for now under control.... WHY do you think the FED continues to announce after EVERY FOMC meeting that THEY will direct & CONTINUE the ZIRP & NIRP policies until at least 2015..... this operates as a direct warning against specs or anyone else that attempts to short or circumvent the Feds plans to provide stability in the derivatives markets! You might beat the Fed at this game and you might beat the USTreasury, but you wont beat them both when they are teamed up & co-ordinated to resist any attack on the derivatives market! The only thing that could possiblyl implode the derivatives market would be an unforseen exogenis event, a VERY RARENATURAL black swan that just appears out of nowhere.... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 14581504 United States 09/14/2012 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Derivatives which are mostly outstanding "INTEREST RATE SWAPS" are, for now under control.... WHY do you think the FED continues to announce after EVERY FOMC meeting that THEY will direct & CONTINUE the ZIRP & NIRP policies until at least 2015..... this operates as a direct warning against specs or anyone else that attempts to short or circumvent the Feds plans to provide stability in the derivatives markets! You might beat the Fed at this game and you might beat the USTreasury, but you wont beat them both when they are teamed up & co-ordinated to resist any attack on the derivatives market! The only thing that could possiblyl implode the derivatives market would be an unforseen exogenis event, a VERY RARENATURAL black swan that just appears out of nowhere.... Quoting: Therion156 1461665 Yup! |