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A muslim's view on recent situation

 
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"In the United States, if you draw a swastika, or say the holocaust was fake, or even dress as Hitler for Halloween, you can get thrown in jail for hate crimes, but its okay to insult the Prophet and religion of Muslims?"
 Quoting: Loadz



No, you can't, and yes, it is.

Is that what people think in Islamic countries? Below is the 1st Amendment to our Constitution. We don't punish people for any kind of speech unless they are inciting violence, and no, criticism of a group of people is not inciting violence. How that group responds is its own responsibility.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

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Rev. 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.
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"In the United States, if you draw a swastika, or say the holocaust was fake, or even dress as Hitler for Halloween, you can get thrown in jail for hate crimes, but its okay to insult the Prophet and religion of Muslims?"
 Quoting: Loadz



No, you can't, and yes, it is.

Is that what people think in Islamic countries? Below is the 1st Amendment to our Constitution. We don't punish people for any kind of speech unless they are inciting violence, and no, criticism of a group of people is not inciting violence. How that group responds is its own responsibility.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
 Quoting: ReVbo™


Exactly, especially this part: "or the right of the people peaceably to assemble"

Which is certainly not what has happened in Libya and elsewhere.
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The west bombs, occupies, colonizes Muslim countries and then adds insult to injury and they can't understand why things like this happen.

The west must respect Islam and the Muslims as well as their countries. They must know by now that Insulting the Prophet Mohammed and Allah is something that causes them pain. It is not just the Prophet Mohammed that is dear to Muslims but all the prophets of the holy book. From Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Joseph, David, Jesus, Mary and many more are all dear to Muslims.

Just as the holocaust is painful to the Jewish people. Muslims respect this. The west should learn to respect other people's faith since they (the west) know it is a sensitive subject to Muslims.

In the United States, if you draw a swastika, or say the holocaust was fake, or even dress as Hitler for Halloween, you can get thrown in jail for hate crimes, but its okay to insult the Prophet and religion of Muslims?

I don't believe that killing the American Ambassador in Libya was a fair response. He had nothing to do with the video and i am deeply saddened by his death and the two with him. However, the 1.7 million Iraqi people that were killed and 1.5 million Afghani's that were killed also had nothing to do with September 11th 2001.

Obviously certain people are in control of how your society works in America and tell you who to like and dislike. They program you to hate certain people if it is beneficial to them.

Freedom of speech does not equal insulting other religions. Just as it does not equal making fun of what happened to the Jewish people during the Holocaust.

Personally i love the United States but sometimes the U.S government's actions are just predictable and shocking. Every time there's a new president i think to myself: jee i wonder which country they're going to attack next and how they are going to make it look like they didn't start it.

I ask myself, what is the United States (a country all the way on the other side of the globe) doing all the way over in the middle east dropping bombs and killing people for? Why can't they just leave everyone alone? I'll give you an example. I'll pick a random South American country like Chile. Chile keeps to itself and nobody bothers it. They have no business in the Middle East and Middle Eastern countries don't have any business in Chile. Why can't the U.S be like that? There is absolutely no need for any of this.

I know I'm going to get a bunch of racist and hateful replies but i just wanted to explain how i feel about all this and I hope that you see things in a different light instead of through the barrel of a gun.
 Quoting: Loadz


First of all I agree with you on western wars, but I don't see why I am not allowed to disrespect your religion.

Because if you demand respect from me as an atheist then I think you need to respect atheists as well. And hence your religion should not condemn atheists to hell (although a plus point of Islam is that it reserves the worst level of hell for their own followers if they are to hypocritical for your deities liking).

Oh wait.... You are not willing to do that as that would require rewriting the Qu'ran.

So why exactly should I pay special respect to any religious symbol?
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Thanks OP, you have many interesting points and I appreciate that you are sharing them. Freedom of speech...
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The west bombs, occupies, colonizes Muslim countries and then adds insult to injury and they can't understand why things like this happen.

The west must respect Islam and the Muslims as well as their countries. They must know by now that Insulting the Prophet Mohammed and Allah is something that causes them pain. It is not just the Prophet Mohammed that is dear to Muslims but all the prophets of the holy book. From Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Joseph, David, Jesus, Mary and many more are all dear to Muslims.

Just as the holocaust is painful to the Jewish people. Muslims respect this. The west should learn to respect other people's faith since they (the west) know it is a sensitive subject to Muslims.

In the United States, if you draw a swastika, or say the holocaust was fake, or even dress as Hitler for Halloween, you can get thrown in jail for hate crimes, but its okay to insult the Prophet and religion of Muslims?

I don't believe that killing the American Ambassador in Libya was a fair response. He had nothing to do with the video and i am deeply saddened by his death and the two with him. However, the 1.7 million Iraqi people that were killed and 1.5 million Afghani's that were killed also had nothing to do with September 11th 2001.

Obviously certain people are in control of how your society works in America and tell you who to like and dislike. They program you to hate certain people if it is beneficial to them.

Freedom of speech does not equal insulting other religions. Just as it does not equal making fun of what happened to the Jewish people during the Holocaust.
 Quoting: Loadz


In our country, we have freedom of speech. This means that anyone can say pretty much what they want about pretty much anything. This is to open up dialog and allow everyone to have an idea and an opinion. There are things that are said that are offensive and hateful. I may not like those ideas, but I will support and defend the person's right to say them. We must not stamp down on the open dissemination of ideas and thoughts. Why? Because then we start to see more and more speech silenced - it's a slippery slope. I want to live in a country where I can express my ideas and have others do so also. Don't you?

And just because someone says something nasty about Islam does not make it true.

Try to understand that this is one of the most important tenets that our country is based on, inherent to the ideas of life, liberty and freedom.
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The west bombs, occupies, colonizes Muslim countries and then adds insult to injury and they can't understand why things like this happen.

The west must respect Islam and the Muslims as well as their countries. They must know by now that Insulting the Prophet Mohammed and Allah is something that causes them pain. It is not just the Prophet Mohammed that is dear to Muslims but all the prophets of the holy book. From Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Joseph, David, Jesus, Mary and many more are all dear to Muslims.

Just as the holocaust is painful to the Jewish people. Muslims respect this. The west should learn to respect other people's faith since they (the west) know it is a sensitive subject to Muslims.

In the United States, if you draw a swastika, or say the holocaust was fake, or even dress as Hitler for Halloween, you can get thrown in jail for hate crimes, but its okay to insult the Prophet and religion of Muslims?

I don't believe that killing the American Ambassador in Libya was a fair response. He had nothing to do with the video and i am deeply saddened by his death and the two with him. However, the 1.7 million Iraqi people that were killed and 1.5 million Afghani's that were killed also had nothing to do with September 11th 2001.

Obviously certain people are in control of how your society works in America and tell you who to like and dislike. They program you to hate certain people if it is beneficial to them.

Freedom of speech does not equal insulting other religions. Just as it does not equal making fun of what happened to the Jewish people during the Holocaust.

Personally i love the United States but sometimes the U.S government's actions are just predictable and shocking. Every time there's a new president i think to myself: jee i wonder which country they're going to attack next and how they are going to make it look like they didn't start it.

I ask myself, what is the United States (a country all the way on the other side of the globe) doing all the way over in the middle east dropping bombs and killing people for? Why can't they just leave everyone alone? I'll give you an example. I'll pick a random South American country like Chile. Chile keeps to itself and nobody bothers it. They have no business in the Middle East and Middle Eastern countries don't have any business in Chile. Why can't the U.S be like that? There is absolutely no need for any of this.

I know I'm going to get a bunch of racist and hateful replies but i just wanted to explain how i feel about all this and I hope that you see things in a different light instead of through the barrel of a gun.
 Quoting: Loadz


Not all Americans hate Muslims, only the easily brainwashed or the developmentally delayed. I find it horrific that people can so easily hate one group of people based on their religion. Apparently we didn't learn anything from the holocaust. People always seem to wonder how on ear the people ALLOWED millions of their neighbors and friends to be murdered, well guess what? THIS is how! Brainwashing people to believe that anyone different from ourself is the enemy. What a sad, pathetic world we live in. It certainly isn't the world of MY choosing!
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Thanks OP, you have many interesting points and I appreciate that you are sharing them. Freedom of speech...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8637765


I agree completely. What if that freedom to tell us how he thought was squelched?

This is why it is so important to encourage, protect and defend free speech rights, all over the world, for all people.
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The west bombs, occupies, colonizes Muslim countries and then adds insult to injury and they can't understand why things like this happen.

The west must respect Islam and the Muslims as well as their countries. They must know by now that Insulting the Prophet Mohammed and Allah is something that causes them pain. It is not just the Prophet Mohammed that is dear to Muslims but all the prophets of the holy book. From Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Joseph, David, Jesus, Mary and many more are all dear to Muslims.

Just as the holocaust is painful to the Jewish people. Muslims respect this. The west should learn to respect other people's faith since they (the west) know it is a sensitive subject to Muslims.

In the United States, if you draw a swastika, or say the holocaust was fake, or even dress as Hitler for Halloween, you can get thrown in jail for hate crimes, but its okay to insult the Prophet and religion of Muslims?

I don't believe that killing the American Ambassador in Libya was a fair response. He had nothing to do with the video and i am deeply saddened by his death and the two with him. However, the 1.7 million Iraqi people that were killed and 1.5 million Afghani's that were killed also had nothing to do with September 11th 2001.

Obviously certain people are in control of how your society works in America and tell you who to like and dislike. They program you to hate certain people if it is beneficial to them.

Freedom of speech does not equal insulting other religions. Just as it does not equal making fun of what happened to the Jewish people during the Holocaust.
 Quoting: Loadz


In our country, we have freedom of speech. This means that anyone can say pretty much what they want about pretty much anything. This is to open up dialog and allow everyone to have an idea and an opinion. There are things that are said that are offensive and hateful. I may not like those ideas, but I will support and defend the person's right to say them. We must not stamp down on the open dissemination of ideas and thoughts. Why? Because then we start to see more and more speech silenced - it's a slippery slope. I want to live in a country where I can express my ideas and have others do so also. Don't you?

And just because someone says something nasty about Islam does not make it true.

Try to understand that this is one of the most important tenets that our country is based on, inherent to the ideas of life, liberty and freedom.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1321115


If your 5 year old son is in school and is constantly mocked and ridiculed by others, should the teacher stop the bullies or let it happen for the sake of freedom of speech?
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The west bombs, occupies, colonizes Muslim countries and then adds insult to injury and they can't understand why things like this happen.

The west must respect Islam and the Muslims as well as their countries. They must know by now that Insulting the Prophet Mohammed and Allah is something that causes them pain. It is not just the Prophet Mohammed that is dear to Muslims but all the prophets of the holy book. From Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Joseph, David, Jesus, Mary and many more are all dear to Muslims.

Just as the holocaust is painful to the Jewish people. Muslims respect this. The west should learn to respect other people's faith since they (the west) know it is a sensitive subject to Muslims.

In the United States, if you draw a swastika, or say the holocaust was fake, or even dress as Hitler for Halloween, you can get thrown in jail for hate crimes, but its okay to insult the Prophet and religion of Muslims?

I don't believe that killing the American Ambassador in Libya was a fair response. He had nothing to do with the video and i am deeply saddened by his death and the two with him. However, the 1.7 million Iraqi people that were killed and 1.5 million Afghani's that were killed also had nothing to do with September 11th 2001.

Obviously certain people are in control of how your society works in America and tell you who to like and dislike. They program you to hate certain people if it is beneficial to them.

Freedom of speech does not equal insulting other religions. Just as it does not equal making fun of what happened to the Jewish people during the Holocaust.

Personally i love the United States but sometimes the U.S government's actions are just predictable and shocking. Every time there's a new president i think to myself: jee i wonder which country they're going to attack next and how they are going to make it look like they didn't start it.

I ask myself, what is the United States (a country all the way on the other side of the globe) doing all the way over in the middle east dropping bombs and killing people for? Why can't they just leave everyone alone? I'll give you an example. I'll pick a random South American country like Chile. Chile keeps to itself and nobody bothers it. They have no business in the Middle East and Middle Eastern countries don't have any business in Chile. Why can't the U.S be like that? There is absolutely no need for any of this.

I know I'm going to get a bunch of racist and hateful replies but i just wanted to explain how i feel about all this and I hope that you see things in a different light instead of through the barrel of a gun.
 Quoting: Loadz


The west? The west isn't a country. Or do you mean christian? The west isn't christian, most are more evolved than that.
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The west bombs, occupies, colonizes Muslim countries and then adds insult to injury and they can't understand why things like this happen.

The west must respect Islam and the Muslims as well as their countries. They must know by now that Insulting the Prophet Mohammed and Allah is something that causes them pain. It is not just the Prophet Mohammed that is dear to Muslims but all the prophets of the holy book. From Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Joseph, David, Jesus, Mary and many more are all dear to Muslims.

Just as the holocaust is painful to the Jewish people. Muslims respect this. The west should learn to respect other people's faith since they (the west) know it is a sensitive subject to Muslims.

In the United States, if you draw a swastika, or say the holocaust was fake, or even dress as Hitler for Halloween, you can get thrown in jail for hate crimes, but its okay to insult the Prophet and religion of Muslims?

I don't believe that killing the American Ambassador in Libya was a fair response. He had nothing to do with the video and i am deeply saddened by his death and the two with him. However, the 1.7 million Iraqi people that were killed and 1.5 million Afghani's that were killed also had nothing to do with September 11th 2001.

Obviously certain people are in control of how your society works in America and tell you who to like and dislike. They program you to hate certain people if it is beneficial to them.

Freedom of speech does not equal insulting other religions. Just as it does not equal making fun of what happened to the Jewish people during the Holocaust.

Personally i love the United States but sometimes the U.S government's actions are just predictable and shocking. Every time there's a new president i think to myself: jee i wonder which country they're going to attack next and how they are going to make it look like they didn't start it.

I ask myself, what is the United States (a country all the way on the other side of the globe) doing all the way over in the middle east dropping bombs and killing people for? Why can't they just leave everyone alone? I'll give you an example. I'll pick a random South American country like Chile. Chile keeps to itself and nobody bothers it. They have no business in the Middle East and Middle Eastern countries don't have any business in Chile. Why can't the U.S be like that? There is absolutely no need for any of this.

I know I'm going to get a bunch of racist and hateful replies but i just wanted to explain how i feel about all this and I hope that you see things in a different light instead of through the barrel of a gun.
 Quoting: Loadz


The west? The west isn't a country. Or do you mean christian? The west isn't christian, most are more evolved than that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23645079


Im sure you understand what i mean when i say "the west". If you dont, im sorry im not going to get into the details for you.
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Guess that's why all the scuMuslims have so much respect for the Jewish religion...and the Buddists...and the Christians....

Fuck Muslims and their infantile "Outrage"...Fuck Mohammed the Pedophile baby raper, and fuck all their 8th century primative bullshit.

Make a move....so we can exterminate yas as you do...if you have the balls to attack anything except women, children and unarmed peaceniks...which you don't...and even the few times you did try?...lol...you got your asses kicked hard like the punk bitches you all are and are STILL whimpering about it.

Muzzies are the big bunch of crying bitches I have ever seen in my life, in fact you do NOTHING but cry like women and little gurls. Unless you get a gang of your limp dick fake men together to attack someone who is unarmed?...you'd never have a single thing ever to be "proud" of..,that is all you ever can take pride in, forming up a gang to prey on some weaklings, because that is all you primative illiterates can accomplish.

What sad little sorry excuses for men you are, no wonder you have to keep your women covered, you are afraid of them too, they are more men than you are. I guess that's why the pedophile prophet Mohammed had to take a 9 year old child as a wife, a child was all he could handle.

What a great heritage THAT is isn't it, and that's your religion that runs your entire sheep lives every single second of every single day...lol...what a joke...maybe it was meant to be a joke and you all fell for it because that's how stupid you are. Probably some Rabbi from the 8th century made a bet with another Rabbi...Hey Irving think we make all these stupid Arabs whorship this 40 year old loser Mohammed?...Nah, even THEY can't be THAT dumb...wanna bet?...LOL....Boom OWNED!..Islam is born and you retards are still doing the same silly shit over a thousand years later...lol...isn't that funny?...
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Im surprised out of all the posts, the least intelligent hateful ridiculing post comes from a forum admin. Learn to express yourself with respect please.
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You're a fucking idiot. The very existence of islam casues me pain. You and your ancestors invaded every fucking country they could until you got your ass kicked at Vienna. You enslaved millions around the world and demanded tribute from countless others. Fuck you and your pain. You and your kind casue the whole world pain. We should have NO respect for a religious political system that was founded by a blood thirsty pedophile who killed because he wanted another man's wife. Muzzies like you don't respect anything. You think you should run the world.

You're talking out of your ass about the US. It's not ilegal to question the holocaust, wear a nazi uniform or draw a swastika. You people insult Christianity on a daily basis and get pissed when we do it to you. Get over it. You have no more right to be free from being insulted than any one else does.

Most of the iraquis and afghans who have been killed have been killed by their own people. Afghans sheltered OBL. That's why Afghanistan was attacked. A lot of Afghans hated the Taliban so fuck you on that one.
You bearded clam mullahs tell you towel heads what you need to think and believe. You tolerate no dissension and want the rest of the world to bow down to you. Listen to what they tell you and get your head out of your ass. They preach hate and violence, not peace.

You have nothing to respect. I'll agree with you on one thing. We should have nothing to do with any muzzie country.The US has enough oil to replace the entire ME so we don't need for that. See what your life would be like without western money.

As for leaving everyone else alone, you people have invaded every western nation and are trying to transform them all into sharia ridden muslim countries. You couldn't do it by military invasion so now you are doing by using our tolerance against us. One day the people of the west will wake up and we will get rid of every muzzie who doesn't declare loyalty to the west.

Ferdinand and Isabella were right to kick every last one of you out of Spain. Your religion has been a cancer in the world ever since that illiterate, schizophrenic, blood thirsty pedophile rode out of the desert and attacked his first caravan.

The west bombs, occupies, colonizes Muslim countries and then adds insult to injury and they can't understand why things like this happen.

The west must respect Islam and the Muslims as well as their countries. They must know by now that Insulting the Prophet Mohammed and Allah is something that causes them pain.

Just as the holocaust is painful to the Jewish people. Muslims respect this. The west should learn to respect other people's faith since they (the west) know it is a sensitive subject to Muslims.

In the United States, if you draw a swastika, or say the holocaust was fake, or even dress as Hitler for Halloween, you can get thrown in jail for hate crimes, but its okay to insult the Prophet and religion of Muslims?

I don't believe that killing the American Ambassador in Libya was a fair response. He had nothing to do with the video and i am deeply saddened by his death and the two with him. However, the 1.7 million Iraqi people that were killed and 1.5 million Afghani's that were killed also had nothing to do with September 11th 2001.

Obviously certain people are in control of how your society works in America and tell you who to like and dislike. They program you to hate certain people if it is beneficial to them.

Freedom of speech does not equal insulting other religions. Just as it does not equal making fun of what happened to the Jewish people during the Holocaust.

Personally i love the United States but sometimes the U.S government's actions are just predictable and shocking. Every time there's a new president i think to myself: jee i wonder which country they're going to attack next and how they are going to make it look like they didn't start it.

I ask myself, what is the United States (a country all the way on the other side of the globe) doing all the way over in the middle east dropping bombs and killing people for? Why can't they just leave everyone alone? I'll give you an example. I'll pick a random South American country like Chile. Chile keeps to itself and nobody bothers it. They have no business in the Middle East and Middle Eastern countries don't have any business in Chile. Why can't the U.S be like that? There is absolutely no need for any of this.

I know I'm going to get a bunch of racist and hateful replies but i just wanted to explain how i feel about all this and I hope that you see things in a different light instead of through the barrel of a gun.
 Quoting: Loadz
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The west bombs, occupies, colonizes Muslim countries and then adds insult to injury and they can't understand why things like this happen.

The west must respect Islam and the Muslims as well as their countries. They must know by now that Insulting the Prophet Mohammed and Allah is something that causes them pain. It is not just the Prophet Mohammed that is dear to Muslims but all the prophets of the holy book. From Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Joseph, David, Jesus, Mary and many more are all dear to Muslims.

Just as the holocaust is painful to the Jewish people. Muslims respect this. The west should learn to respect other people's faith since they (the west) know it is a sensitive subject to Muslims.

In the United States, if you draw a swastika, or say the holocaust was fake, or even dress as Hitler for Halloween, you can get thrown in jail for hate crimes, but its okay to insult the Prophet and religion of Muslims?

I don't believe that killing the American Ambassador in Libya was a fair response. He had nothing to do with the video and i am deeply saddened by his death and the two with him. However, the 1.7 million Iraqi people that were killed and 1.5 million Afghani's that were killed also had nothing to do with September 11th 2001.

Obviously certain people are in control of how your society works in America and tell you who to like and dislike. They program you to hate certain people if it is beneficial to them.

Freedom of speech does not equal insulting other religions. Just as it does not equal making fun of what happened to the Jewish people during the Holocaust.

Personally i love the United States but sometimes the U.S government's actions are just predictable and shocking. Every time there's a new president i think to myself: jee i wonder which country they're going to attack next and how they are going to make it look like they didn't start it.

I ask myself, what is the United States (a country all the way on the other side of the globe) doing all the way over in the middle east dropping bombs and killing people for? Why can't they just leave everyone alone? I'll give you an example. I'll pick a random South American country like Chile. Chile keeps to itself and nobody bothers it. They have no business in the Middle East and Middle Eastern countries don't have any business in Chile. Why can't the U.S be like that? There is absolutely no need for any of this.

I know I'm going to get a bunch of racist and hateful replies but i just wanted to explain how i feel about all this and I hope that you see things in a different light instead of through the barrel of a gun.
 Quoting: Loadz


The west? The west isn't a country. Or do you mean christian? The west isn't christian, most are more evolved than that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23645079


Im sure you understand what i mean when i say "the west". If you dont, im sorry im not going to get into the details for you.
 Quoting: Loadz


No i don't understand what you mean by the west. I know its a throwaway phrase but it means nothing.


Any religion that allows killing should be mocked, ridiculed, taunted until it realizes its a demonic thing and rejects it. If that hurts your feelings, so what. You killing for god is more offensive. This is where you say you haven't killed anything, but generalizations are good for you, so they are good for me.
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The west bombs, occupies, colonizes Muslim countries and then adds insult to injury and they can't understand why things like this happen.

The west must respect Islam and the Muslims as well as their countries. They must know by now that Insulting the Prophet Mohammed and Allah is something that causes them pain. It is not just the Prophet Mohammed that is dear to Muslims but all the prophets of the holy book. From Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Joseph, David, Jesus, Mary and many more are all dear to Muslims.

Just as the holocaust is painful to the Jewish people. Muslims respect this. The west should learn to respect other people's faith since they (the west) know it is a sensitive subject to Muslims.

In the United States, if you draw a swastika, or say the holocaust was fake, or even dress as Hitler for Halloween, you can get thrown in jail for hate crimes, but its okay to insult the Prophet and religion of Muslims?

I don't believe that killing the American Ambassador in Libya was a fair response. He had nothing to do with the video and i am deeply saddened by his death and the two with him. However, the 1.7 million Iraqi people that were killed and 1.5 million Afghani's that were killed also had nothing to do with September 11th 2001.

Obviously certain people are in control of how your society works in America and tell you who to like and dislike. They program you to hate certain people if it is beneficial to them.

Freedom of speech does not equal insulting other religions. Just as it does not equal making fun of what happened to the Jewish people during the Holocaust.
 Quoting: Loadz


In our country, we have freedom of speech. This means that anyone can say pretty much what they want about pretty much anything. This is to open up dialog and allow everyone to have an idea and an opinion. There are things that are said that are offensive and hateful. I may not like those ideas, but I will support and defend the person's right to say them. We must not stamp down on the open dissemination of ideas and thoughts. Why? Because then we start to see more and more speech silenced - it's a slippery slope. I want to live in a country where I can express my ideas and have others do so also. Don't you?

And just because someone says something nasty about Islam does not make it true.

Try to understand that this is one of the most important tenets that our country is based on, inherent to the ideas of life, liberty and freedom.
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If your 5 year old son is in school and is constantly mocked and ridiculed by others, should the teacher stop the bullies or let it happen for the sake of freedom of speech?
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So the prophet Mohammed is a 5 year old boy currently alive that is being bullied?
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The west bombs, occupies, colonizes Muslim countries and then adds insult to injury and they can't understand why things like this happen.

The west must respect Islam and the Muslims as well as their countries. They must know by now that Insulting the Prophet Mohammed and Allah is something that causes them pain. It is not just the Prophet Mohammed that is dear to Muslims but all the prophets of the holy book. From Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Joseph, David, Jesus, Mary and many more are all dear to Muslims.

Just as the holocaust is painful to the Jewish people. Muslims respect this. The west should learn to respect other people's faith since they (the west) know it is a sensitive subject to Muslims.

In the United States, if you draw a swastika, or say the holocaust was fake, or even dress as Hitler for Halloween, you can get thrown in jail for hate crimes, but its okay to insult the Prophet and religion of Muslims?

I don't believe that killing the American Ambassador in Libya was a fair response. He had nothing to do with the video and i am deeply saddened by his death and the two with him. However, the 1.7 million Iraqi people that were killed and 1.5 million Afghani's that were killed also had nothing to do with September 11th 2001.

Obviously certain people are in control of how your society works in America and tell you who to like and dislike. They program you to hate certain people if it is beneficial to them.

Freedom of speech does not equal insulting other religions. Just as it does not equal making fun of what happened to the Jewish people during the Holocaust.
 Quoting: Loadz


In our country, we have freedom of speech. This means that anyone can say pretty much what they want about pretty much anything. This is to open up dialog and allow everyone to have an idea and an opinion. There are things that are said that are offensive and hateful. I may not like those ideas, but I will support and defend the person's right to say them. We must not stamp down on the open dissemination of ideas and thoughts. Why? Because then we start to see more and more speech silenced - it's a slippery slope. I want to live in a country where I can express my ideas and have others do so also. Don't you?

And just because someone says something nasty about Islam does not make it true.

Try to understand that this is one of the most important tenets that our country is based on, inherent to the ideas of life, liberty and freedom.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1321115


If your 5 year old son is in school and is constantly mocked and ridiculed by others, should the teacher stop the bullies or let it happen for the sake of freedom of speech?
 Quoting: Loadz


Hmmmm, you should have used a better example. Bullying, mocking and ridicule falls under the exception to the First Amendment, "Fighting Words". These are words that are likely to induce a person to fight. Do you have a better example you'd like to throw out?

As quick primer, the other side of free speech means we DO place limits on that speech (remember I wrote "almost" all speech?) You can't yell "fire" in a crowded theatre or a shopping mall - this falls under the incitement of "imminent lawless action" (clear and present danger test - look it up). Certain types of obscenity is not protected, nor is fraudulent commercial speech (commercials that contain verifiable lies and mistruths are banned under the First Amendment.
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The west bombs, occupies, colonizes Muslim countries and then adds insult to injury and they can't understand why things like this happen.

The west must respect Islam and the Muslims
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And i stopped reading here.

The west doesn't have to do shit, respect is earned not given. Islam hasn't earned my respect so will not receive it.
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Lets get out of your lives, money, aid, bombs and all.
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The west bombs, occupies, colonizes Muslim countries and then adds insult to injury and they can't understand why things like this happen.

The west must respect Islam and the Muslims as well as their countries. They must know by now that Insulting the Prophet Mohammed and Allah is something that causes them pain. It is not just the Prophet Mohammed that is dear to Muslims but all the prophets of the holy book. From Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Joseph, David, Jesus, Mary and many more are all dear to Muslims.

Just as the holocaust is painful to the Jewish people. Muslims respect this. The west should learn to respect other people's faith since they (the west) know it is a sensitive subject to Muslims.

In the United States, if you draw a swastika, or say the holocaust was fake, or even dress as Hitler for Halloween, you can get thrown in jail for hate crimes, but its okay to insult the Prophet and religion of Muslims?

I don't believe that killing the American Ambassador in Libya was a fair response. He had nothing to do with the video and i am deeply saddened by his death and the two with him. However, the 1.7 million Iraqi people that were killed and 1.5 million Afghani's that were killed also had nothing to do with September 11th 2001.

Obviously certain people are in control of how your society works in America and tell you who to like and dislike. They program you to hate certain people if it is beneficial to them.

Freedom of speech does not equal insulting other religions. Just as it does not equal making fun of what happened to the Jewish people during the Holocaust.

Personally i love the United States but sometimes the U.S government's actions are just predictable and shocking. Every time there's a new president i think to myself: jee i wonder which country they're going to attack next and how they are going to make it look like they didn't start it.

I ask myself, what is the United States (a country all the way on the other side of the globe) doing all the way over in the middle east dropping bombs and killing people for? Why can't they just leave everyone alone? I'll give you an example. I'll pick a random South American country like Chile. Chile keeps to itself and nobody bothers it. They have no business in the Middle East and Middle Eastern countries don't have any business in Chile. Why can't the U.S be like that? There is absolutely no need for any of this.

I know I'm going to get a bunch of racist and hateful replies but i just wanted to explain how i feel about all this and I hope that you see things in a different light instead of through the barrel of a gun.
 Quoting: Loadz


Dude, can you please explain to me how your so called Muslim people who are so pious can RAPE a man. How can they put thier pecker into another man, then slaughter him and defile his body.. Egypt ?????? And recently didn't you sick fucks say it is ok to fuck your dead wife for 3 days after her death..

Yours is not a religion, it ia a path for evil to beget evil.

Goat fuckers
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The west bombs, occupies, colonizes Muslim countries and then adds insult to injury and they can't understand why things like this happen.

The west must respect Islam and the Muslims
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And i stopped reading here.

The west doesn't have to do shit, respect is earned not given. Islam hasn't earned my respect so will not receive it.
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The west doesn't have to do shit, respect is earned not given. Islam hasn't earned my respect so will not receive it.
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If your 5 year old son is in school and is constantly mocked and ridiculed by others, should the teacher stop the bullies or let it happen for the sake of freedom of speech?
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Wahhhhh, everybody is picking on us poor muslims.
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You're a fucking idiot. The very existence of islam casues me pain. You and your ancestors invaded every fucking country they could until you got your ass kicked at Vienna. You enslaved millions around the world and demanded tribute from countless others. Fuck you and your pain. You and your kind casue the whole world pain. We should have NO respect for a religious political system that was founded by a blood thirsty pedophile who killed because he wanted another man's wife. Muzzies like you don't respect anything. You think you should run the world.

You're talking out of your ass about the US. It's not ilegal to question the holocaust, wear a nazi uniform or draw a swastika. You people insult Christianity on a daily basis and get pissed when we do it to you. Get over it. You have no more right to be free from being insulted than any one else does.

Most of the iraquis and afghans who have been killed have been killed by their own people. Afghans sheltered OBL. That's why Afghanistan was attacked. A lot of Afghans hated the Taliban so fuck you on that one.
You bearded clam mullahs tell you towel heads what you need to think and believe. You tolerate no dissension and want the rest of the world to bow down to you. Listen to what they tell you and get your head out of your ass. They preach hate and violence, not peace.

You have nothing to respect. I'll agree with you on one thing. We should have nothing to do with any muzzie country.The US has enough oil to replace the entire ME so we don't need for that. See what your life would be like without western money.

As for leaving everyone else alone, you people have invaded every western nation and are trying to transform them all into sharia ridden muslim countries. You couldn't do it by military invasion so now you are doing by using our tolerance against us. One day the people of the west will wake up and we will get rid of every muzzie who doesn't declare loyalty to the west.

Ferdinand and Isabella were right to kick every last one of you out of Spain. Your religion has been a cancer in the world ever since that illiterate, schizophrenic, blood thirsty pedophile rode out of the desert and attacked his first caravan.

The west bombs, occupies, colonizes Muslim countries and then adds insult to injury and they can't understand why things like this happen.

The west must respect Islam and the Muslims as well as their countries. They must know by now that Insulting the Prophet Mohammed and Allah is something that causes them pain.

Just as the holocaust is painful to the Jewish people. Muslims respect this. The west should learn to respect other people's faith since they (the west) know it is a sensitive subject to Muslims.

In the United States, if you draw a swastika, or say the holocaust was fake, or even dress as Hitler for Halloween, you can get thrown in jail for hate crimes, but its okay to insult the Prophet and religion of Muslims?

I don't believe that killing the American Ambassador in Libya was a fair response. He had nothing to do with the video and i am deeply saddened by his death and the two with him. However, the 1.7 million Iraqi people that were killed and 1.5 million Afghani's that were killed also had nothing to do with September 11th 2001.

Obviously certain people are in control of how your society works in America and tell you who to like and dislike. They program you to hate certain people if it is beneficial to them.

Freedom of speech does not equal insulting other religions. Just as it does not equal making fun of what happened to the Jewish people during the Holocaust.

Personally i love the United States but sometimes the U.S government's actions are just predictable and shocking. Every time there's a new president i think to myself: jee i wonder which country they're going to attack next and how they are going to make it look like they didn't start it.

I ask myself, what is the United States (a country all the way on the other side of the globe) doing all the way over in the middle east dropping bombs and killing people for? Why can't they just leave everyone alone? I'll give you an example. I'll pick a random South American country like Chile. Chile keeps to itself and nobody bothers it. They have no business in the Middle East and Middle Eastern countries don't have any business in Chile. Why can't the U.S be like that? There is absolutely no need for any of this.

I know I'm going to get a bunch of racist and hateful replies but i just wanted to explain how i feel about all this and I hope that you see things in a different light instead of through the barrel of a gun.
 Quoting: Loadz

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22531883


Actually, it is you that have been terrorizing Muslim countries since the beginning of Islam. Since the crusades and are still going til this day. You say Islam is spread by the sword. If it was, then explain a country like India, where the rulers of India from the Mogul dynasty were Muslim. They built the Taj Mahal. If they spread Islam forcefully in India, then India should be 100% Muslim. But when you look at it, there are many religions in India. The Muslims didn't force the religion on anyone.
Even to this day it is the fastest growing religion around the world. When people discover the true Islam. The reality behind the lies that are spread such as the lies that you are spreading in your post, they find truth and convert by their own will. Not because they are threatened.
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So Gallager flattening dog turds in the ko-ran is a no go...got it.

Dont worry, our nutless leader will tape his member between his legs, put on his big girl panties and apologize.
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If your 5 year old son is in school and is constantly mocked and ridiculed by others, should the teacher stop the bullies or let it happen for the sake of freedom of speech?
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Are you comparing Islam to a 5 year old, if so.

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Yeah i suppose it is a bit fucking juvenile!.
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Lets get out of your lives, money, aid, bombs and all.
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Yes that would be fantastic!

Kingpin is a great movie by the way :)
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If your 5 year old son is in school and is constantly mocked and ridiculed by others, should the teacher stop the bullies or let it happen for the sake of freedom of speech?
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Are you comparing Islam to a 5 year old, if so.

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Yeah i suppose it is a bit fucking juvenile!.
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If you think that way then i suppose you are juvenile too.
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Freedom of speech does not equal insulting other religions. Just as it does not equal making fun of what happened to the Jewish people during the Holocaust.
 Quoting: Loadz


Try to understand that this is one of the most important tenets that our country is based on, inherent to the ideas of life, liberty and freedom.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1321115


If your 5 year old son is in school and is constantly mocked and ridiculed by others, should the teacher stop the bullies or let it happen for the sake of freedom of speech?
 Quoting: Loadz


Honestly, I am glad you are asking questions. As you are from another country, I can understand how it may be confusing for you. The interpretation of our Constitution is a very complex subject. I have a grasp on it because I have a law degree.
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I know I'm going to get a bunch of racist and hateful replies but i just wanted to explain how i feel about all this and I hope that you see things in a different light instead of through the barrel of a gun.



Even to this day it is the fastest growing religion around the world. When people discover the true Islam. The reality behind the lies that are spread such as the lies that you are spreading in your post, they find truth and convert by their own will. Not because they are threatened.


I appreciate your devotion to Islam, but many of us will never convert because we are just as strong Christians in our faith as you are Muslim.
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Op. don't bother to try to reach out to the these lowlifes.
They are mad at there mothers and taking it out on you.
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Guess that's why all the scuMuslims have so much respect for the Jewish religion...and the Buddists...and the Christians....

Fuck Muslims and their infantile "Outrage"...Fuck Mohammed the Pedophile baby raper, and fuck all their 8th century primative bullshit.

Make a move....so we can exterminate yas as you do...if you have the balls to attack anything except women, children and unarmed peaceniks...which you don't...and even the few times you did try?...lol...you got your asses kicked hard like the punk bitches you all are and are STILL whimpering about it.

Muzzies are the big bunch of crying bitches I have ever seen in my life, in fact you do NOTHING but cry like women and little gurls. Unless you get a gang of your limp dick fake men together to attack someone who is unarmed?...you'd never have a single thing ever to be "proud" of..,that is all you ever can take pride in, forming up a gang to prey on some weaklings, because that is all you primative illiterates can accomplish.

What sad little sorry excuses for men you are, no wonder you have to keep your women covered, you are afraid of them too, they are more men than you are. I guess that's why the pedophile prophet Mohammed had to take a 9 year old child as a wife, a child was all he could handle.

What a great heritage THAT is isn't it, and that's your religion that runs your entire sheep lives every single second of every single day...lol...what a joke...maybe it was meant to be a joke and you all fell for it because that's how stupid you are. Probably some Rabbi from the 8th century made a bet with another Rabbi...Hey Irving think we make all these stupid Arabs whorship this 40 year old loser Mohammed?...Nah, even THEY can't be THAT dumb...wanna bet?...LOL....Boom OWNED!..Islam is born and you retards are still doing the same silly shit over a thousand years later...lol...isn't that funny?...
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Im surprised out of all the posts, the least intelligent hateful ridiculing post comes from a forum admin. Learn to express yourself with respect please.
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Well I don't have any respect for Islam, it's a life control system for simpletons, women abusers and pedophiles, based on the life of a pedophile and woman abuser, so why would I? "Loadz"...nice homosexual name you got there too.
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You're a fucking idiot. The very existence of islam casues me pain. You and your ancestors invaded every fucking country they could until you got your ass kicked at Vienna. You enslaved millions around the world and demanded tribute from countless others. Fuck you and your pain. You and your kind casue the whole world pain. We should have NO respect for a religious political system that was founded by a blood thirsty pedophile who killed because he wanted another man's wife. Muzzies like you don't respect anything. You think you should run the world.

You're talking out of your ass about the US. It's not ilegal to question the holocaust, wear a nazi uniform or draw a swastika. You people insult Christianity on a daily basis and get pissed when we do it to you. Get over it. You have no more right to be free from being insulted than any one else does.

Most of the iraquis and afghans who have been killed have been killed by their own people. Afghans sheltered OBL. That's why Afghanistan was attacked. A lot of Afghans hated the Taliban so fuck you on that one.
You bearded clam mullahs tell you towel heads what you need to think and believe. You tolerate no dissension and want the rest of the world to bow down to you. Listen to what they tell you and get your head out of your ass. They preach hate and violence, not peace.

You have nothing to respect. I'll agree with you on one thing. We should have nothing to do with any muzzie country.The US has enough oil to replace the entire ME so we don't need for that. See what your life would be like without western money.

As for leaving everyone else alone, you people have invaded every western nation and are trying to transform them all into sharia ridden muslim countries. You couldn't do it by military invasion so now you are doing by using our tolerance against us. One day the people of the west will wake up and we will get rid of every muzzie who doesn't declare loyalty to the west.

Ferdinand and Isabella were right to kick every last one of you out of Spain. Your religion has been a cancer in the world ever since that illiterate, schizophrenic, blood thirsty pedophile rode out of the desert and attacked his first caravan.

The west bombs, occupies, colonizes Muslim countries and then adds insult to injury and they can't understand why things like this happen.

The west must respect Islam and the Muslims as well as their countries. They must know by now that Insulting the Prophet Mohammed and Allah is something that causes them pain.

Just as the holocaust is painful to the Jewish people. Muslims respect this. The west should learn to respect other people's faith since they (the west) know it is a sensitive subject to Muslims.

In the United States, if you draw a swastika, or say the holocaust was fake, or even dress as Hitler for Halloween, you can get thrown in jail for hate crimes, but its okay to insult the Prophet and religion of Muslims?

I don't believe that killing the American Ambassador in Libya was a fair response. He had nothing to do with the video and i am deeply saddened by his death and the two with him. However, the 1.7 million Iraqi people that were killed and 1.5 million Afghani's that were killed also had nothing to do with September 11th 2001.

Obviously certain people are in control of how your society works in America and tell you who to like and dislike. They program you to hate certain people if it is beneficial to them.

Freedom of speech does not equal insulting other religions. Just as it does not equal making fun of what happened to the Jewish people during the Holocaust.

Personally i love the United States but sometimes the U.S government's actions are just predictable and shocking. Every time there's a new president i think to myself: jee i wonder which country they're going to attack next and how they are going to make it look like they didn't start it.

I ask myself, what is the United States (a country all the way on the other side of the globe) doing all the way over in the middle east dropping bombs and killing people for? Why can't they just leave everyone alone? I'll give you an example. I'll pick a random South American country like Chile. Chile keeps to itself and nobody bothers it. They have no business in the Middle East and Middle Eastern countries don't have any business in Chile. Why can't the U.S be like that? There is absolutely no need for any of this.

I know I'm going to get a bunch of racist and hateful replies but i just wanted to explain how i feel about all this and I hope that you see things in a different light instead of through the barrel of a gun.
 Quoting: Loadz

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22531883


Actually, it is you that have been terrorizing Muslim countries since the beginning of Islam. Since the crusades and are still going til this day. You say Islam is spread by the sword. If it was, then explain a country like India, where the rulers of India from the Mogul dynasty were Muslim. They built the Taj Mahal. If they spread Islam forcefully in India, then India should be 100% Muslim. But when you look at it, there are many religions in India. The Muslims didn't force the religion on anyone.
Even to this day it is the fastest growing religion around the world. When people discover the true Islam. The reality behind the lies that are spread such as the lies that you are spreading in your post, they find truth and convert by their own will. Not because they are threatened.
 Quoting: Loadz


You are making a pretty impressive claim here.

You are logically deducing that all Muslim conversions were done through solely proselytizing and that no Muslim ever forcibly converted anyone because the Muslim rulers of India in the past did not do so.

I hope you understand that this is a rather shaky argument considering your neighboring country (Saudi Arabia) has even banned Bibles (outside Amranco compounds and such) and if a native Saudi there would actively say he became an atheist then he is simply put in trouble (as turning away from Islam is illegal in the religion). And that isn't even going into extra taxes and statuses that someone has to pay as dhimmi etc.

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