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New Attack on 2nd Amendment: Obama Says Substance Abusers Cannot Own Firearms

 
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New Attack on 2nd Amendment: Obama Says Substance Abusers Cannot Own Firearms
New Attack on 2nd Amendment: Obama Says Substance Abusers Cannot Own Firearms


Susanne Posel
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September 12, 2012







The Obama Administration through the Justice Department has given the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) the authority to “seize and administratively forfeit property involved in controlled-substance abuses.” In effect: those who are convicted of crimes involving alcohol and/or substance abusers will have their right to bear arms revoked.

By misuse of the civil-forfeiture doctrine, constitutional rights can be circumvented while the owner of the property will have it taken without recourse.

In 2010, the Department of Justice published that document entitled, “Investigating Terrorism and Criminal Extremism” wherein the definition of “constitutionalist” is reworked to reflect a “generic term for members of the ‘patriot’ movement. It is now often used to refer to members of the sovereign citizen or common law court movement. Sometimes the word ‘constitutionalist’ is also used.”

This document attempts to down play the term New World Order by explaining it as a term “used by conspiracy theorists to refer to a global conspiracy designed to implement worldwide socialism.” This ideal is “targeted by right-wing extremists” as bad yet those types are afraid that “Jewish people ultimately [will] control the world.”

The FBI surmises that “Sovereign citizens are anti-government extremists who believe that even though they physically reside in this country, they are separate or ‘sovereign’ from the United States. As a result, they believe they don’t have to answer to any government authority, including courts, taxing entities, motor vehicle departments, or law enforcement” and that these citizens are a domestic terror threat.

Last month, Brian Loftus, member of Oathkeepers, was unduly harassed for purchasing “a few boxes of ammunition.”

Former US Marine Brandon Raub was indefinitely detained in a VA psychiatric hospital for speaking out against the US government on Facebook.
Raub’s attorney, John Whitehead of the Rutherford Institute, has stated that he is receiving correspondence from people across America that report that US veterans are being detained in psychiatric hospitals for speaking out against the US government.

Because of the Department of Homeland Security report entitled Rightwing Extremism, the US government is coming after US veterans; decrying them as domestic terrorists, extremists and white supremacists.

In July of this year, Obama vowed to “curb violence in American cities, including reasonable restrictions on gun ownership.”

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I don't see a problem with this.
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I own a gun and last think I want is some drugged or drunk person next to me at the shooting range.
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I don't see a problem with this.
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Then you ARE the problem.
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I don't see a problem with this.
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It doesn't surprise me.....


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And I declare that people with forged long forms can't tell me what to do.
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I own a gun and last think I want is some drugged or drunk person next to me at the shooting range.
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Doesn't mean they cant own one. Who decides what 'abuser' means? Someone who has a couple of beers with his friends? Someone who smokes a joint now and then? Nanny state is as Nanny state does.
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"Because of the Department of Homeland Security report entitled Rightwing Extremism, the US government is coming after US veterans; decrying them as domestic terrorists, extremists and white supremacists."

Yeah but they'll never admit inner city blacks commit violent crime at 900% the rate of whites.
When's the last time you saw a white flash mob?
How much longer will people tolerate this?
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What next Barry? Unpaid traffic tickets? Speeding? Not recycling? What the hell, we have a illegal alien playing president that commits treason on all levels ....

Gov. Ventura is correct, we have a gang in Washington that has to go.
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We may be beginning WW3, and he wants to start disarming the population?


hmm...




I think that the number of firearm owners in America is one of the reasons how we can guarantee that our homeland will be defended. Now, of all times, is not the right time to start disarming people for smoking a joint, or tried drugs before.
I dont mean everything I say to be literal. I just like to throw around ideas, and play devil's advocate.

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.

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Let's try, substance abusers can't hold office first? Maybe?
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We all do drugs what country are you all from have you ever looked at the back of any food label its drugged up...
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This is actually common sense.

I own several firearms and am a huge supporter of the 2nd amendment, but drug and alcohol abusers who are convicted have no business owning a firearm, period.
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So you think a drunk or a drug addict should be running around with a gun? I don't.
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So you think a drunk or a drug addict should be running around with a gun? I don't.
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The problem, as others have mentioned is this: who gets to define "drunk" or "drunk addict?" I toke occasionally, but I sure as hell am not a "drug addict". I drink to the point where I am rather impaired a couple of times a week, but I am not a "drunk" either.

The trouble is if they go by "expert" definitions (I've heard some that say more than five drinks a week indicates a drinking problem...)
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This is actually common sense.

I own several firearms and am a huge supporter of the 2nd amendment, but drug and alcohol abusers who are convicted have no business owning a firearm, period.
 Quoting: <<FOCUS>> 660580


I would say that if one is convicted of DUI it might be grounds for looking at your "right" to own a firearm since that person obviously exhibits poor judgement and utter disregard for the safety of others.
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It is a classic case of this:

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist..

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the jewish people,
I didn't speak up,
because I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no-one left
to speak out.
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The government will break down the law and people with think that is great because "those people" don't deserve guns..but it is only to separate and divide the people so all our rights are taken away

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So you think a drunk or a drug addict should be running around with a gun? I don't.
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Thats the problem numb nuts they are running around with guns and their either stolen or bought illeagly more laws trashing the second admendment doesn't help this. It only keeps honest americans from defending themselves from them.
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So you think a drunk or a drug addict should be running around with a gun? I don't.
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Drug addicts are already exempt. Drinking is legal, as well as gun ownership. While they don't go well simultaneously, one shoudl not preclude the other generally.

Wake up, this is just a way to take your guns....

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the jewish people,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
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It is a classic case of this:

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist..

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the jewish people,
I didn't speak up,
because I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no-one left
to speak out.


The government will break down the law and people with think that is great because "those people" don't deserve guns..but it is only to separate and divide the people so all our rights are taken away
 Quoting: waterman


Damn you beat me to it... :)
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So you think a drunk or a drug addict should be running around with a gun? I don't.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11758031


The problem, as others have mentioned is this: who gets to define "drunk" or "drunk addict?" I toke occasionally, but I sure as hell am not a "drug addict". I drink to the point where I am rather impaired a couple of times a week, but I am not a "drunk" either.

The trouble is if they go by "expert" definitions (I've heard some that say more than five drinks a week indicates a drinking problem...)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1283316


Well, I don't know how they handle it with alcohol, but in the case of illegal drugs, ANY use is defined as "abuse". how convenient.
Wouldn't it be great to heal the world, with only a song?
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Re: New Attack on 2nd Amendment: Obama Says Substance Abusers Cannot Own Firearms
It is a classic case of this:

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist..

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the jewish people,
I didn't speak up,
because I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no-one left
to speak out.


The government will break down the law and people with think that is great because "those people" don't deserve guns..but it is only to separate and divide the people so all our rights are taken away
 Quoting: waterman


Damn you beat me to it... :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19333122


Roberts got a quick hand.
Hell look around the room, he wont tell you his plan.
Hes got a rolled cigarette, hanging out his mouth hes a cowboy kid.
Yeah he found a six shooter gun.
In his dads closet hidden in a box of fun things,
and I dont even know what.
But hes coming for you, yeah hes coming for you.

All the other kids with the pumped up kicks
You better run, better run, outrun my gun
All the other kids with the pumped up kicks,
You better run, better run, faster than my bullet.
Heed the warning or endure the mourning
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This is actually common sense.

I own several firearms and am a huge supporter of the 2nd amendment, but drug and alcohol abusers who are convicted have no business owning a firearm, period.
 Quoting: <<FOCUS>> 660580


I would say that if one is convicted of DUI it might be grounds for looking at your "right" to own a firearm since that person obviously exhibits poor judgement and utter disregard for the safety of others.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1283316


For there to be a crime there must be a victim. A dui is farce and is no law. Until the drunk/texting/distracted driver actually harms somebody there is no crime.

What Obama is doing is disarming white Americans. Remember fast and furious? They have no problemo arming DRUG CARTELS.
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Right out of the Marxist playbook. He who defines controls.

Political abuse of psychiatry in the Soviet Union
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I own a gun and last think I want is some drugged or drunk person next to me at the shooting range.
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How about like 3-4 beers and some good bud thats when I shoot best.
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Next those who are declared to be 'substance abusers' will be deprived of their 1st Amendment rights as well.
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I don't see a problem with this.
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Ridiculous, if you got a DUI 20 years ago or were ticketed at a rock concert for smoking pot you can't own a gun?
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But it is OK for them to give guns to the drug cartels in Mexico? Remember fast and furious?
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I own a gun and last think I want is some drugged or drunk person next to me at the shooting range.
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Yes I agree.
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But it is OK for them to give guns to the drug cartels in Mexico? Remember fast and furious?
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Pass that joint and grab me another cold one Bubba while I get a couple of these clips loaded up .