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Recent Jupiter Anomalies Correspond with J Edward Carper’s Pre-proposed Theory

 
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The analysis of the Wesley mark surprised astronomers because it contained "abundant silica".

This forced them to say "asteroid" against their will because they knew this was impossible.

BUT, silica IS found at the CENTER OF JUPITER.
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It was quite an explosion, you can be sure of that.
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"Watch the impact mark spread and grow over the course of four weeks! It's the dark mark near the pole at the 2 o'clock position. Theo Ramakers writes, "Here is an updated animation containing the images of a large number of dedicated Jupiter imagers, members of the ALPO Jupiter listserve. Hans Joerg Mettig from Jupos.com in Germany converted the submitted images to a polar projection, and I put them together in an animation."

"Notice the rather that just spreading out, the original impact site seems to keep pouring out black stuff that then drifts away."

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Gotcha.

Well when Jupiter remains a planet, maybe at some point you'll bother researching this stuff for yourself.
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I said earlier that without help it would remain unlit in any average circumstance.
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Even under extraordinary circumstances it wouldn't light, or stay lit.

Let's say we hypothetically managed to raise the cores temperature to start stellar fusion.

What would happen next? IF you know please post, if you don't, still please post. I'm not judging you or anything like that either way.
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If it was near the center, the center would expand and liquidate. You would then see a violent hot thermal convection vent thrust to the surface with bits of the liquidated center carried along. The 'weak point' would be the path just as magma follows the weak path up to Earth's surface.

This is what we saw in July 2009 Wesley Mark. The Mark DID NOT have the signature of an impact and if you watch the animation of it, the "blow-out" [link to www.skyandtelescope.com] scroll down a bit.

it sourced from one spot and kept "puffing out" material over the course of weeks.

This blow-out would relieve the initial pressure, allowing a fusion reaction to self-regulate and conolidate where conditions were favorable.

Later electrical flashes would occur at the surface.
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Uhmmmm, no. First of all the asteroid impact would not reach the core, and if it did, it wouldn't be enough to heat the core up.

Ok, but let's say you did heat the core up, what happens next?

Fusion creates enough heat to massively expand the planet. This happens in stars too, but eventually due to their mass, the forces of gravity are enough to keep it in equilibrium. Jupiter does not have sufficient mass for this to happen, so it would rapidly expand. As it does, it would cool, and fusion would be turned off, as the heat and density (core pressures) would not be sufficient to keep fusion going. Unless you are going to substantially ad to the Mass of Jupiter, you will not be able to make it fuse for any substantial length of time.
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There WAS NO ASTEROID. You didn't read carefully. Astronomers had to say "asteroid" because they had no other explanation for "silica".

The Wesley mark was KEY EVIDENCE of a fusion reaction starting inside Jupiter.
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Fusion can be consolidated to a small area at first. It TRIED to expand the planet, but under such conditions a WEAK POINT is found. This was Jupiter relieving the fusion pressure.
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Fusion creates enough heat to massively expand the planet. This happens in stars too, but eventually due to their mass, the forces of gravity are enough to keep it in equilibrium. Jupiter does not have sufficient mass for this to happen, so it would rapidly expand. As it does, it would cool, and fusion would be turned off, as the heat and density (core pressures) would not be sufficient to keep fusion going. Unless you are going to substantially ad to the Mass of Jupiter, you will not be able to make it fuse for any substantial length of time.
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Ok, so fissile materiel eventually settles super deep in Joops's mass and sets off a slow burn. Eventually a shell is formed around the thing. After a lot more waiting the heat begins to build.

What next?

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Fusion can be consolidated to a small area at first. It TRIED to expand the planet, but under such conditions a WEAK POINT is found. This was Jupiter relieving the fusion pressure.
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The Wesley mark is the perfect evidence of this thermal convection vent coming UP FROM CENTER.
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Fusion creates enough heat to massively expand the planet. This happens in stars too, but eventually due to their mass, the forces of gravity are enough to keep it in equilibrium. Jupiter does not have sufficient mass for this to happen, so it would rapidly expand. As it does, it would cool, and fusion would be turned off, as the heat and density (core pressures) would not be sufficient to keep fusion going. Unless you are going to substantially ad to the Mass of Jupiter, you will not be able to make it fuse for any substantial length of time.
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Ok, so fissile materiel eventually settles super deep in Joops's mass and sets off a slow burn. Eventually a shell is formed around the thing. After a lot more waiting the heat begins to build.

What next?

goodevil

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The heat eventually works its way Upward closer and closer to the surface. This may take a few years, but NASA has already hinted of "increased internal IR heat" causing "global changes".
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"Jupiter is the reflected image of earth in hyperspace, is teaming with bizzare lifeforms, and is somehow key to the racial fate"
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So you got a big cast iron stove heating up. And you reach into the asteroid belt and grab some popcorn. You throw the kernels on the hot stove...
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"Jupiter is the reflected image of earth in hyperspace, is teaming with bizzare lifeforms, and is somehow key to the racial fate"
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It blew up like a hand grenade in God's living room.
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So you got a big cast iron stove heating up. And you reach into the asteroid belt and grab some popcorn. You throw the kernels on the hot stove...
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Good point. Extra Joop heat might have an effect on the asteroid belt.
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Nope again. Mythology is not created out of constellations. They incorporated constellations but they didn't worship the realms of the gods or their heavenly "houses" but the gods themselves. In order to teach you how you are setting the things upside down and worst , mixing myths from different civilizations, it would take me an eternity. Caiphas and Pontius Pilate or Tiberius Cesar or names mentioned by Peter have never been part of constellations or myths but Christ if ever and for reasons too long too explain. The same was done with other individuals which doesn't deny their existence. On the contrary it makes even more evident.

There's no real Virgo in heavens and I won't discuss with someone who even ignored the Bible never told about 3 kings. If people never read the Bible, haven't read books or ignore what was written in Greek or Hebrew it's like talking with a communist who has never read in his/her miserable life Karl Marx's Capital. A waste of time and energy so I won't comment in that subtopic unless the poster who originally wrote about the date 2 B.C. does.
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Zeus was considered real at one time, worshipped as an entity, now days it would be considered silly to worship Zeus, yet we have the same situation with "new gods". It's the same recycled nonsense and people keep falling for it.
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Wrong again!!!!! Zeus or Jupiter like many gods worldwide do have similarities IN SPITE OF THE FACT MANY OF SUCH CIVILIZATIONS DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONTACT AT ALL, for example these were the fathers of strong semigods who were begotten by a woman from earth. So, though is true Romans recycled Greek gods, this is not true regarding deities from other parts of the world. Different from Greek gods , ancient people could recognize the difference between human character and a deity. Historians depend a lot on Herodotus though there are many lies regarding his life and what he wrote. There's a difference between 740 Egyptian gods and Ramses II whose heroic deeds are as surprising as the ones said were done by Moses which was a very common name as in Tutmose, Amose, etc.
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There WAS NO ASTEROID. You didn't read carefully. Astronomers had to say "asteroid" because they had no other explanation for "silica".

The Wesley mark was KEY EVIDENCE of a fusion reaction starting inside Jupiter.
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You have to show proof no asteroid impact occurred first.

That still does not negate the issue as to what would actually happen if you heated the core up to thermonuclear fusion temperatures.

I already told you exactly what would happen, which is opposite of your claim.
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Remember the SUN is NOT ALL IN FUSION. It's fusion is contained to the inner 25-30% radius. Jup's would be even smaller, maybe only 5-10% and lower density.
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So you got a big cast iron stove heating up. And you reach into the asteroid belt and grab some popcorn. You throw the kernels on the hot stove...
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Good point. Extra Joop heat might have an effect on the asteroid belt.
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Take what you want as it boils off. With two suns solar sails have crosswinds as well.
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Fusion can be consolidated to a small area at first. It TRIED to expand the planet, but under such conditions a WEAK POINT is found. This was Jupiter relieving the fusion pressure.
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That's not how gas giant, or stellar, convection works.
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There WAS NO ASTEROID. You didn't read carefully. Astronomers had to say "asteroid" because they had no other explanation for "silica".

The Wesley mark was KEY EVIDENCE of a fusion reaction starting inside Jupiter.
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You have to show proof no asteroid impact occurred first.

That still does not negate the issue as to what would actually happen if you heated the core up to thermonuclear fusion temperatures.

I already told you exactly what would happen, which is opposite of your claim.
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The current understanding of solar system dynamics, is not.
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So you got a big cast iron stove heating up. And you reach into the asteroid belt and grab some popcorn. You throw the kernels on the hot stove...
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Good point. Extra Joop heat might have an effect on the asteroid belt.
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It would have catastrophic effects on the Astroid belt (if Jupiter was suddenly a 2nd sun, due to gravitational effects and it's own solar wind)
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There WAS NO ASTEROID. You didn't read carefully. Astronomers had to say "asteroid" because they had no other explanation for "silica".

The Wesley mark was KEY EVIDENCE of a fusion reaction starting inside Jupiter.
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You have to show proof no asteroid impact occurred first.

That still does not negate the issue as to what would actually happen if you heated the core up to thermonuclear fusion temperatures.

I already told you exactly what would happen, which is opposite of your claim.
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The current understanding of solar system dynamics, is not.
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Stop with the fake alien schick, it isn't helping the discussion any.
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There WAS NO ASTEROID. You didn't read carefully. Astronomers had to say "asteroid" because they had no other explanation for "silica".

The Wesley mark was KEY EVIDENCE of a fusion reaction starting inside Jupiter.
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You have to show proof no asteroid impact occurred first.

That still does not negate the issue as to what would actually happen if you heated the core up to thermonuclear fusion temperatures.

I already told you exactly what would happen, which is opposite of your claim.
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They can't prove one did and more evidence supports the NOT claim. No incoming spotted...signature does not match (no halo)...spectral analysis shows silica when they thought it should be a comet (Jup was to have cleared out ALL asteroids millions of years ago).

You keep stating that a fusion reaction can't be held, but you have no support for that.
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Fusion can be consolidated to a small area at first. It TRIED to expand the planet, but under such conditions a WEAK POINT is found. This was Jupiter relieving the fusion pressure.
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That's not how gas giant, or stellar, convection works.
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The Sun takes 1000's of years to push heat from fusion to the surface.
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There WAS NO ASTEROID. You didn't read carefully. Astronomers had to say "asteroid" because they had no other explanation for "silica".

The Wesley mark was KEY EVIDENCE of a fusion reaction starting inside Jupiter.
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You have to show proof no asteroid impact occurred first.

That still does not negate the issue as to what would actually happen if you heated the core up to thermonuclear fusion temperatures.

I already told you exactly what would happen, which is opposite of your claim.
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The current understanding of solar system dynamics, is not.
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Stop with the fake alien schick, it isn't helping the discussion any.
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Not all Jovian time travelers are aliens tard. Before you know it it's gonna be a subway stop.
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Holding fusion is balance of pressure (insider vs outside), density of the fusion in the volume in question, and temperature.

Assume Jupiter has 30 million bars of pressure to hold some sort of reaction.
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Psa 69:8 I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children.
Psa 69:9 For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me.
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Job 19:15 They that dwell in mine house, and my maids, count me for a stranger: I am an alien in their sight.
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In addition, the multiple FLASHES on Jupiter are exactly what would be expected from a nuclear fusion reaction inside Jupiter.
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Here's how the formula would be written:

30 million bars = temperature x density This would dictate the fusion density allowed in that ball.

Remember to account for SA:V ratio being more favorable than the Sun's.
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Psa 69:8 I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children.
Psa 69:9 For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me.
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Why on earth do you quote BIble verses which have absolutely NOTHING RELATED to Jupiter unless you wanna read something only you can detect?
Jovian aliens????
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Here's how the formula would be written:

30 million bars = temperature x density This would dictate the fusion density allowed in that ball.

Remember to account for SA:V ratio being more favorable than the Sun's.
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30 MILLION bars is actually conservative. It could be as high as 50.

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