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Recent Jupiter Anomalies Correspond with J Edward Carper’s Pre-proposed Theory

 
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Thread: Jupiter Visble During Daylight: Made Crazy Ass Video

Jupiter clearly visible in daylight time...just sayin'...
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Jesus is a fictituous character, at least the one in the bible (other non-bible Jesus's maybe existed).

Even Thomas Paine was to publish an essay on the "Jesus - A Sun Story" reality but his wife said keep it secret. We still have a summary of what he wrote.

So this is why there is so much trouble locating the "birth time". When the character is fictitious, this is what happens. It wasn't until 320 CE that they finally said "let's make it Dec. 25 to usurp the Yule celebration".

What the "Jesus Age" represents is just that "an age" determined by the astologers based on heavenly signs.

The partial overlap of Venus on Jupiter was DEFINITELY a major SIGN that a new AGE had come. There were two other close conjunctions of this BEFORE the final overlap within a short amount of time. This is why we have a "star" that lasts several months = 3 conjunctions of Venus Jupiter and the the last being an extremely rare OVERLAP in 2 B.C. The star is also known as "The Star of Virgo".

Note this is happening in VIRGO, but in the constellation LEO near REGULUS. What this means to astrologers = A Jewish King is born (Lion of Judah=LEO, King=Regulus) born of a VIRGIN (Virgo). This is where the story origninated. The THREE KINGS are likely the 3 stars of ORION.

Once the story took off, word of mouth turned it into a sensation, hence eventually embellished to "Son of God on Earth".

Regarding Saturn vs. Jupiter. A.C. Clarke/Kurbrick were told to switch from Saturn to Jupiter in the books/movies at some time in the 70's for one reason or another. Originally it WAS supposed to be Saturn.
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Specially this part:

And in REAL LIFE the Galileo probe was actually carrying 49 ¼ pounds plutonium, causing some buzz about a possible nuclear reaction turning Jupiter into the second sun of the solar system! Unlike nuclear fission bombs, the power of an H-bomb or thermonuclear weapon has no practical limit, -- it can be made as powerful as you want, by adding more deuterium/tritium to the second stage. What is interesting is this deuterium (D) heavy isotope of hydrogen on Jupiter. D has disappeared from the Sun as a result of nuclear reactions in the solar interior. Because no such reactions occur on Jupiter, the ratio of deuterium to hydrogen there should be identical to the ratio of those isotopes in the cloud of interstellar gas and dust that collapsed to form the solar system 4.6 billion years ago. Since deuterium was made primarily in the "big bang" that has been postulated to have begun the expansion of the universe, an accurate measurement of deuterium/hydrogen on Jupiter would allow the calibration of expansion models.

An engineer named Jacco van der Worp claimed that, plunging into Jupiter’s deep and increasingly dense atmosphere, the on-board Galileo electrical power supply – a set of 144 plutonium-238 fuel pellets, arrayed in two large canister devices called “RTGs” (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generators – see image and schematic, below) – would ultimately “implode”; that the plutonium Galileo carried would ultimately collapse in upon itself under the enormous pressures of Jupiter’s overwhelming atmosphere—.So maybe there was a Hiroshima & Nagasaki Jovian holocaust after all, September (that month), 2003:

[link to www.goroadachi.com]


buzz
Larger than the earth Jovian polar dark spot:

[link to www.space.com]

[link to www.enterprisemission.com]

This is a Satanic plan Arthur Clark knew because of a letter from someone who knew better – NASA’s Dr. Walter Jastrow- which leads to the novel 3001 Space Odyssey. Wanna briefly know about it and its relationship with Shoemaker-Levy comet and the assassination (?) of the one who discover the comet, Eugene Shoemaker? Be my guests:

[link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com]

I don’t think is needed to talk about 11 code and Twin World Trade Center Towers, do I?

In 2010 Space Odyssey I observed the first number appearing in the ship’s computer is the 33, a well known number used by Freemasons. In the cover of a magazine, when they are talking about the war between USA and Russia about Central America circumstances we see both the faces of Kubrick and Clark as if they were the presidents.
It was very interesting the idea of the monolith multiplying itself like a virus and eating the planet (in fact adding mass to the planet), altering the chemistry and fading the color to create something like an EYE that eventually leads to the implosion of the planet converting it into the second smaller and more dense sun in our Milky Way.

John von Neumann, relying on A. Turing's works, interested himself on the theory of self-reproductive automata and worked on the conception of a self-reproductive machine, the "kinematon". Such a machine was supposed to be able to reproduce any machine described in its programs, including a copy of itself. The most famous of his machines is the monolith of the series "2001 Space Odyssey". To change Jupiter into a star, a first monolith self-reproduces, as well as its descendants, the population so increases exponentially to quickly reach the size necessary to realize such a gigantic task.

The prior discovery of chlorophyll in Europa even though covered with 100 km thick shield of ice. This is also relevant since Arthur Clarke also wrote “The Snow of Olympus”:

[link to www.enterprisemission.com]

[link to www.enterprisemission.com]

It was interesting to watch Discovery at Lagrange Point, the Jupiter-Io system where the gravity action is neutralized regarding the different bodies of a mechanical system. Discovery was covered with sulfur and we know Io (discovered in 1610 by Galileo) is formed by volcanic components rich in sulfur. Clarke himself appears in that film as the old man feeding doves in front of White House and the plot was made through daily contact with the director Peter Hyams (who also did Capricorn one in 1978 and Outland in 1981) by computers (in that time!). Clark was at Sri Lanka at that time.
This made me look for information about the RED SPOT in Jupiter and found it could be a vortex anticyclone in the same place for 3 centuries!

[link to www.grantchronicles.com]
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Fusion doesn't work that way. If the core suddenly started doing that it would case a chain reaction and Jupiter would ignite. It can't though, because it doesn't have sufficient mass to do so. This is very simple astrophysics were are dealing with here.
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Fusion doesn't work that way. If the core suddenly started doing that it would case a chain reaction and Jupiter would ignite. It can't though, because it doesn't have sufficient mass to do so. This is very simple astrophysics were are dealing with here.
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And monkeys could never talk and form their own society.

Also, if you go over 60mph, your face peels off.
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"Sufficient Mass" is needed for the "temperature" limit.

If the TEMP can be increased artificially Jupiter can hold a modest fusion reaction at the center.

Jupiter has the right ingredients and adequate pressure to hold a reaction that has a lower "fusion density" than the sun, and much smaller fusion ball than the sun's which reaches out to 30% radius in the sun, so theory says.

What Jupiter LACKED was the natural TEMP to START fusion. That has now been supplied with a small FISSION SPARK deep inside where heavy hydrogen sits.
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Fusion doesn't work that way. If the core suddenly started doing that it would case a chain reaction and Jupiter would ignite. It can't though, because it doesn't have sufficient mass to do so. This is very simple astrophysics were are dealing with here.
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And monkeys could never talk and form their own society.

Also, if you go over 60mph, your face peels off.
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How you think those two things are equatable to the ability of Jupiter to sustain fusion is beyond me.
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Fusion doesn't work that way. If the core suddenly started doing that it would case a chain reaction and Jupiter would ignite. It can't though, because it doesn't have sufficient mass to do so. This is very simple astrophysics were are dealing with here.
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And monkeys could never talk and form their own society.

Also, if you go over 60mph, your face peels off.
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"Sufficient Mass" is needed for the "temperature" limit.

If the TEMP can be increased artificially Jupiter can hold a modest fusion reaction at the center.

Jupiter has the right ingredients and adequate pressure to hold a reaction that has a lower "fusion density" than the sun, and much smaller fusion ball than the sun's which reaches out to 30% radius in the sun, so theory says.

What Jupiter LACKED was the natural TEMP to START fusion. That has now been supplied with a small FISSION SPARK deep inside where heavy hydrogen sits.
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This is explained here: [link to www.amazon.com]
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Fusion doesn't work that way. If the core suddenly started doing that it would case a chain reaction and Jupiter would ignite. It can't though, because it doesn't have sufficient mass to do so. This is very simple astrophysics were are dealing with here.
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And monkeys could never talk and form their own society.

Also, if you go over 60mph, your face peels off.
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"Sufficient Mass" is needed for the "temperature" limit.

If the TEMP can be increased artificially Jupiter can hold a modest fusion reaction at the center.

Jupiter has the right ingredients and adequate pressure to hold a reaction that has a lower "fusion density" than the sun, and much smaller fusion ball than the sun's which reaches out to 30% radius in the sun, so theory says.

What Jupiter LACKED was the natural TEMP to START fusion. That has now been supplied with a small FISSION SPARK deep inside where heavy hydrogen sits.
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The theory is plain wrong. Increasing the temperature won't matter, because again, the mas is insufficient to sustain a reaction. Have you looked up brown dwarfs, jupiter, stellar fusion, any of that? Please go research it for yourself, don't take my word for it.
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In the movie "2010 Odyssey" at the end of the movie the words,

All These Worlds
Are Yours Except
Europa
Attempt No
Landing There

Who sent this message to them?
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The ETs from Sirius who put the monolites on earth, on the moon and on Jupiter and finally on Jupiter's moon. We know they are from Sirius because that's the scene from monolith with alignment representing Sirius star as worshipped by Freemasons. Actually director Kubrick changed the persplex crystal tetrahedron glass cos it didn't look too crystaline but a bit green, so he replaced it with 14 rectangular monoliths made of wood and sprayed with black ink, crew had to deal with it with gloves and in vaccum not to leave a single fingerprint on the monoliths..., such the neurosis of the director.
These Sentinels written by Arthur Clark created an implosion in Jupiter adding mass to the planet cos the monoliths replicated as virus, changing the very chemistry of the planet and even fading its colors.

The film was made (2010 Space Odyssey , the sequel) by the same director , Peter Hyam, who did Capricorn One, which is about a FAKE TRIP TO MARS with the cooperation of astronauts who have their lives in jeopardy if they don't accept playing their key roles......

The first numbers appearing on a computer in that film is the famous 33 Freemason number.
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Thank You, I plan on watching 2010
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Fusion doesn't work that way. If the core suddenly started doing that it would case a chain reaction and Jupiter would ignite. It can't though, because it doesn't have sufficient mass to do so. This is very simple astrophysics were are dealing with here.
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And monkeys could never talk and form their own society.

Also, if you go over 60mph, your face peels off.
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"Sufficient Mass" is needed for the "temperature" limit.

If the TEMP can be increased artificially Jupiter can hold a modest fusion reaction at the center.

Jupiter has the right ingredients and adequate pressure to hold a reaction that has a lower "fusion density" than the sun, and much smaller fusion ball than the sun's which reaches out to 30% radius in the sun, so theory says.

What Jupiter LACKED was the natural TEMP to START fusion. That has now been supplied with a small FISSION SPARK deep inside where heavy hydrogen sits.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 203360


The theory is plain wrong. Increasing the temperature won't matter, because again, the mas is insufficient to sustain a reaction. Have you looked up brown dwarfs, jupiter, stellar fusion, any of that? Please go research it for yourself, don't take my word for it.
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Wrong, the MASS will DICTATE the FUSION DENSITY and SIZE OF FUSION BALL. You will get a POSITIVE amount with Jupiter, but it is SMALL. The mass of Jupiter will SELF-REGULATE what Jupiter can hold, and THAT AMOUNT is a small fusion ball with LOW FUSION DENSITY.
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Fusion doesn't work that way. If the core suddenly started doing that it would case a chain reaction and Jupiter would ignite. It can't though, because it doesn't have sufficient mass to do so. This is very simple astrophysics were are dealing with here.
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And monkeys could never talk and form their own society.

Also, if you go over 60mph, your face peels off.
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How you think those two things are equatable to the ability of Jupiter to sustain fusion is beyond me.
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I understand the argument. Experience is the best teacher.
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In the movie "2010 Odyssey" at the end of the movie the words,

All These Worlds
Are Yours Except
Europa
Attempt No
Landing There

Who sent this message to them?
 Quoting: Dr.Ricks


The ETs from Sirius who put the monolites on earth, on the moon and on Jupiter and finally on Jupiter's moon. We know they are from Sirius because that's the scene from monolith with alignment representing Sirius star as worshipped by Freemasons. Actually director Kubrick changed the persplex crystal tetrahedron glass cos it didn't look too crystaline but a bit green, so he replaced it with 14 rectangular monoliths made of wood and sprayed with black ink, crew had to deal with it with gloves and in vaccum not to leave a single fingerprint on the monoliths..., such the neurosis of the director.
These Sentinels written by Arthur Clark created an implosion in Jupiter adding mass to the planet cos the monoliths replicated as virus, changing the very chemistry of the planet and even fading its colors.

The film was made (2010 Space Odyssey , the sequel) by the same director , Peter Hyam, who did Capricorn One, which is about a FAKE TRIP TO MARS with the cooperation of astronauts who have their lives in jeopardy if they don't accept playing their key roles......

The first numbers appearing on a computer in that film is the famous 33 Freemason number.
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Thank You, I plan on watching 2010
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It's not anywhere near as entertaining as 2001. Kubrick didn't even direct.
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And monkeys could never talk and form their own society.

Also, if you go over 60mph, your face peels off.
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"Sufficient Mass" is needed for the "temperature" limit.

If the TEMP can be increased artificially Jupiter can hold a modest fusion reaction at the center.

Jupiter has the right ingredients and adequate pressure to hold a reaction that has a lower "fusion density" than the sun, and much smaller fusion ball than the sun's which reaches out to 30% radius in the sun, so theory says.

What Jupiter LACKED was the natural TEMP to START fusion. That has now been supplied with a small FISSION SPARK deep inside where heavy hydrogen sits.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 203360


The theory is plain wrong. Increasing the temperature won't matter, because again, the mas is insufficient to sustain a reaction. Have you looked up brown dwarfs, jupiter, stellar fusion, any of that? Please go research it for yourself, don't take my word for it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6476436


Wrong, the MASS will DICTATE the FUSION DENSITY and SIZE OF FUSION BALL. You will get a POSITIVE amount with Jupiter, but it is SMALL. The mass of Jupiter will SELF-REGULATE what Jupiter can hold, and THAT AMOUNT is a small fusion ball with LOW FUSION DENSITY.
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Absolute rubbish and not based on any real scientific principle. Look it up yourself. Thermonuclear fusion on a stellar level does not work that way.
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Fusion doesn't work that way. If the core suddenly started doing that it would case a chain reaction and Jupiter would ignite. It can't though, because it doesn't have sufficient mass to do so. This is very simple astrophysics were are dealing with here.
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And monkeys could never talk and form their own society.

Also, if you go over 60mph, your face peels off.
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How you think those two things are equatable to the ability of Jupiter to sustain fusion is beyond me.
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I understand the argument. Experience is the best teacher.
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Gotcha.

Well when Jupiter remains a planet, maybe at some point you'll bother researching this stuff for yourself.
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Jesus is a fictituous character, at least the one in the bible (other non-bible Jesus's maybe existed).

Even Thomas Paine was to publish an essay on the "Jesus - A Sun Story" reality but his wife said keep it secret. We still have a summary of what he wrote.

So this is why there is so much trouble locating the "birth time". When the character is fictitious, this is what happens. It wasn't until 320 CE that they finally said "let's make it Dec. 25 to usurp the Yule celebration".

What the "Jesus Age" represents is just that "an age" determined by the astologers based on heavenly signs.

The partial overlap of Venus on Jupiter was DEFINITELY a major SIGN that a new AGE had come. There were two other close conjunctions of this BEFORE the final overlap within a short amount of time. This is why we have a "star" that lasts several months = 3 conjunctions of Venus Jupiter and the the last being an extremely rare OVERLAP in 2 B.C. The star is also known as "The Star of Virgo".

Note this is happening in VIRGO, but in the constellation LEO near REGULUS. What this means to astrologers = A Jewish King is born (Lion of Judah=LEO, King=Regulus) born of a VIRGIN (Virgo). This is where the story origninated. The THREE KINGS are likely the 3 stars of ORION.

Once the story took off, word of mouth turned it into a sensation, hence eventually embellished to "Son of God on Earth".

Regarding Saturn vs. Jupiter. A.C. Clarke/Kurbrick were told to switch from Saturn to Jupiter in the books/movies at some time in the 70's for one reason or another. Originally it WAS supposed to be Saturn.
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Nope, history doesn't spin around non-existing character, neither calendars. You can say they added myths to the person like they did with Buda and many leaders. Christians suffered persecution short time after because there were surviving witnesses of what happened with him. Even names like Pontius Pilate and Caiphas were considered "myths" until the shovel of archeology dug them out little by little. Now, constelations don't exist, Leo doesn't look like a lion at all but a hanger for cloths, Taurus barely resembles horns of an animal if people connect the star/dots in a preconceived image which is always different as seen from different civilizations even in the same areas of the sky. If you wanna know about why they were depicted like that in just some countries while was different in others but always animals or hum-animals sometimes hybrid, well that's other story.

By the way your knowledge of the Bible is zero, there's no mention whatsoever about three kings but unnumbered magicians. We are not discussing Catholic myths invented 300 years or more after Christ.

Anyway the question was made to the one who originally mentioned the date 2 B.C related to astrology. You ain't that poster.
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In addition when comparing it to a Sun fusion ball. Jupiter's potential reaction is aided by a more favorable SA ro V ration thereby helping with the Mass limit.

Surface Area to Volume ratio with a smaller fusion ball.
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And monkeys could never talk and form their own society.

Also, if you go over 60mph, your face peels off.
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How you think those two things are equatable to the ability of Jupiter to sustain fusion is beyond me.
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I understand the argument. Experience is the best teacher.
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Gotcha.

Well when Jupiter remains a planet, maybe at some point you'll bother researching this stuff for yourself.
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I said earlier that without help it would remain unlit in any average circumstance.
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Jesus is a fictituous character, at least the one in the bible (other non-bible Jesus's maybe existed).

Even Thomas Paine was to publish an essay on the "Jesus - A Sun Story" reality but his wife said keep it secret. We still have a summary of what he wrote.

So this is why there is so much trouble locating the "birth time". When the character is fictitious, this is what happens. It wasn't until 320 CE that they finally said "let's make it Dec. 25 to usurp the Yule celebration".

What the "Jesus Age" represents is just that "an age" determined by the astologers based on heavenly signs.

The partial overlap of Venus on Jupiter was DEFINITELY a major SIGN that a new AGE had come. There were two other close conjunctions of this BEFORE the final overlap within a short amount of time. This is why we have a "star" that lasts several months = 3 conjunctions of Venus Jupiter and the the last being an extremely rare OVERLAP in 2 B.C. The star is also known as "The Star of Virgo".

Note this is happening in VIRGO, but in the constellation LEO near REGULUS. What this means to astrologers = A Jewish King is born (Lion of Judah=LEO, King=Regulus) born of a VIRGIN (Virgo). This is where the story origninated. The THREE KINGS are likely the 3 stars of ORION.

Once the story took off, word of mouth turned it into a sensation, hence eventually embellished to "Son of God on Earth".

Regarding Saturn vs. Jupiter. A.C. Clarke/Kurbrick were told to switch from Saturn to Jupiter in the books/movies at some time in the 70's for one reason or another. Originally it WAS supposed to be Saturn.
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Nope, history doesn't spin around non-existing character, neither calendars. You can say they added myths to the person like they did with Buda and many leaders. Christians suffered persecution short time after because there were surviving witnesses of what happened with him. Even names like Pontius Pilate and Caiphas were considered "myths" until the shovel of archeology dug them out little by little. Now, constelations don't exist, Leo doesn't look like a lion at all but a hanger for cloths, Taurus barely resembles horns of an animal if people connect the star/dots in a preconceived image which is always different as seen from different civilizations even in the same areas of the sky. If you wanna know about why they were depicted like that in just some countries while was different in others but always animals or hum-animals sometimes hybrid, well that's other story.

By the way your knowledge of the Bible is zero, there's no mention whatsoever about three kings but unnumbered magicians. We are not discussing Catholic myths invented 300 years or more after Christ.

Anyway the question was made to the one who originally mentioned the date 2 B.C related to astrology. You ain't that poster.
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When you are dealing with mythology created from constellations, the story keeps evolving and that is what has happened with the Jesus story.
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Nope again. Mythology is not created out of constellations. They incorporated constellations but they didn't worship the realms of the gods or their heavenly "houses" but the gods themselves. In order to teach you how you are setting the things upside down and worst , mixing myths from different civilizations, it would take me an eternity. Caiphas and Pontius Pilate or Tiberius Cesar or names mentioned by Peter have never been part of constellations or myths but Christ if ever and for reasons too long too explain. The same was done with other individuals which doesn't deny their existence. On the contrary it makes even more evident.

There's no real Virgo in heavens and I won't discuss with someone who even ignored the Bible never told about 3 kings. If people never read the Bible, haven't read books or ignore what was written in Greek or Hebrew it's like talking with a communist who has never read in his/her miserable life Karl Marx's Capital. A waste of time and energy so I won't comment in that subtopic unless the poster who originally wrote about the date 2 B.C. does.
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Film 2010 is entretainment though is not a masterpiece as 2001 Space Odyssey. I've read Kubrick hated Hyam's approach because he wanted to explain everything like spoon feeding the audience rather than letting'em think and get to their own conclusions. However audience often are not prepared even to notice some scenes, even less digest philosophical issues.
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Nope again. Mythology is not created out of constellations. They incorporated constellations but they didn't worship the realms of the gods or their heavenly "houses" but the gods themselves. In order to teach you how you are setting the things upside down and worst , mixing myths from different civilizations, it would take me an eternity. Caiphas and Pontius Pilate or Tiberius Cesar or names mentioned by Peter have never been part of constellations or myths but Christ if ever and for reasons too long too explain. The same was done with other individuals which doesn't deny their existence. On the contrary it makes even more evident.

There's no real Virgo in heavens and I won't discuss with someone who even ignored the Bible never told about 3 kings. If people never read the Bible, haven't read books or ignore what was written in Greek or Hebrew it's like talking with a communist who has never read in his/her miserable life Karl Marx's Capital. A waste of time and energy so I won't comment in that subtopic unless the poster who originally wrote about the date 2 B.C. does.
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Zeus was considered real at one time, worshipped as an entity, now days it would be considered silly to worship Zeus, yet we have the same situation with "new gods". It's the same recycled nonsense and people keep falling for it.
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Film 2010 is entretainment though is not a masterpiece as 2001 Space Odyssey. I've read Kubrick hated Hyam's approach because he wanted to explain everything like spoon feeding the audience rather than letting'em think and get to their own conclusions. However audience often are not prepared even to notice some scenes, even less digest philosophical issues.
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2001 and 2010 are both good films but definitely different styles of directing. The books tie things together, and the switch from Saturn is addressed by Clarke in the forward of the recent versions of 2010 book.

The excuse was "too difficult to do Saturn special effects", but I think that is a weak excuse.
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How you think those two things are equatable to the ability of Jupiter to sustain fusion is beyond me.
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I understand the argument. Experience is the best teacher.
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Gotcha.

Well when Jupiter remains a planet, maybe at some point you'll bother researching this stuff for yourself.
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I said earlier that without help it would remain unlit in any average circumstance.
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Even under extraordinary circumstances it wouldn't light, or stay lit.

Let's say we hypothetically managed to raise the cores temperature to start stellar fusion.

What would happen next? IF you know please post, if you don't, still please post. I'm not judging you or anything like that either way.
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Even under extraordinary circumstances it wouldn't light, or stay lit.

Let's say we hypothetically managed to raise the cores temperature to start stellar fusion.

What would happen next? IF you know please post, if you don't, still please post. I'm not judging you or anything like that either way.
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I would jump back about four thousand years and start preparing history for the death of a guy named Jesus.
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All that trouble just to start a new religion? Don't you think the motivation might be more to tere-form/mine the Jupiter's 60-some moons with the support energy of their new sun?

Just sayin' usually these scientists and their funders have materialist impulses.
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All that trouble just to start a new religion? Don't you think the motivation might be more to tere-form/mine the Jupiter's 60-some moons with the support energy of their new sun?

Just sayin' usually these scientists and their funders have materialist impulses.
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Asteroid Belt.
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All that trouble just to start a new religion? Don't you think the motivation might be more to tere-form/mine the Jupiter's 60-some moons with the support energy of their new sun?

Just sayin' usually these scientists and their funders have materialist impulses.
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Asteroid Belt.
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Which doesn't require a grand scheme to make Jupiter a 2nd Sun.

Actually it would harm the cause.
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All that trouble just to start a new religion? Don't you think the motivation might be more to tere-form/mine the Jupiter's 60-some moons with the support energy of their new sun?

Just sayin' usually these scientists and their funders have materialist impulses.
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Asteroid Belt.
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Which doesn't require a grand scheme to make Jupiter a 2nd Sun.

Actually it would harm the cause.
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Yall haven't even figured out yet why you want a quantum dyson star yet anyway.

Much the less the two main realities on earth and the guy who ate two thousand years.
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I understand the argument. Experience is the best teacher.
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Gotcha.

Well when Jupiter remains a planet, maybe at some point you'll bother researching this stuff for yourself.
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I said earlier that without help it would remain unlit in any average circumstance.
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Even under extraordinary circumstances it wouldn't light, or stay lit.

Let's say we hypothetically managed to raise the cores temperature to start stellar fusion.

What would happen next? IF you know please post, if you don't, still please post. I'm not judging you or anything like that either way.
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If it was near the center, the center would expand and liquidate. You would then see a violent hot thermal convection vent thrust to the surface with bits of the liquidated center carried along. The 'weak point' would be the path just as magma follows the weak path up to Earth's surface.

This is what we saw in July 2009 Wesley Mark. The Mark DID NOT have the signature of an impact and if you watch the animation of it, the "blow-out" [link to www.skyandtelescope.com] scroll down a bit.

it sourced from one spot and kept "puffing out" material over the course of weeks.

This blow-out would relieve the initial pressure, allowing a fusion reaction to self-regulate and conolidate where conditions were favorable.

Later electrical flashes would occur at the surface.
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The analysis of the Wesley mark surprised astronomers because it contained "abundant silica".

This forced them to say "asteroid" against their will because they knew this was impossible.

BUT, silica IS found at the CENTER OF JUPITER.

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