Recent Jupiter Anomalies Correspond with J Edward Carper’s Pre-proposed Theory

I would think we could do closer analysis like you propose, but since the mainstreamers REFUSE to accept these as "electrical phenomena" they will not commit any resources to that.

It's left up to whatever the amateurs can manage to do with limited resources.

It is important for them to NOT say this is electrical because if they did, a firestorm of questions would ensue, like "How does Jupiter suddenly produce 3000 billion mega joules of electrical energy in less than 2 seconds in one spot?" Something like that takes a massive "generator" inside Jupiter.

That's the gist of the "Philosopher's Stone..." theory by Carper, the "generator" or "driver" is something NEW inside Jupiter.

Remember these lightning discharges are happening on the DAYSIDE of Jupiter and they are INCREDIBLY BRIGHT even then! No lightning on Jup or Saturn has been even a tiny fraction as intense and always barely spotted on the nightside which is hard to do since to see the nightside we can only see slivers of it from time to time.

Of course, nothing like this has EVER been spotted before on the DAYSIDE of Jupiter if we are talking about lightning.

Here’s why Carper’s Theory should be taken seriously now:

First off you have the stated predictions since 2003 of anomalies on Jupiter like this occurring due to NASA experiments with Pu deep inside Jup.

Secondly, you have a signature mark in July 2009 that looks like an ejection of material from very deep down (blowout mark and venting from the fusion event initiation). The signature of the mark backs up the “very, very deep down” sourcing, and DOES NOT back up comet impact which is what they were begging to find.

Then later you have TWO MASSIVE FLASHES being ANTIPODAL. And they appear to be electrical discharges.

And now a third, even brighter than the others?

You’ve got to be considering something other than what the mainstream is pushing, and the “fusion theory” explains all of it while still being scientifically plausible, whereas the mainstream has had to drastically deviate from their previous accepted theories just to make the “impacts” plausible!

Hello again managed to find an article that I read last month about Jup, it obviously doesn't say anything about Carters theory but.. it does mention global changes on Jupiter. quote:

"The changes we're seeing in Jupiter are global in scale," Orton said. "We've seen some of these before, but never with modern instrumentation to clue us in on what's going on. Other changes haven't been seen in decades, and some regions have never been in the state they're appearing in now. At the same time, we've never seen so many things striking Jupiter. Right now, we're trying to figure out why this is all happening."

The article is here there also an interesting picture in visible-light and infrared showing a yearly increase in disturbances..

[link to www.sciencedaily.com]

Thanks for the link. Yes, NASA experts are "scratching their heads" asking why Jupiter seems to be "transforming". Well, some have been yelling for the last few years that the answer has already been given.

Thought l would see what the Juno mission was about as it's the only one on the way to Jupiter @moment, this is from the official website. Quote :
Jupiter holds secrets about the formation of our solar system. NASA’s Juno mission will investigate how the giant planet formed and evolved.
the Juno spacecraft carries instruments that will allow scientists to examine Jupiter from its innermost core to the outer reaches of the magnetic bubble that surrounds the planet. Juno will map Jupiter’s gravity and magnetic fields to learn about the planet’s interior structure. The mission will also study Jupiter’s composition and the circulation of its atmosphere, and determine how the magnetic field inside the planet is connected to its atmosphere and magnetosphere – especially to Jupiter’s brilliant auroras. Juno will take 11 days to complete its orbit over Jupiter’s poles and, at closest approach, will pass only 5000 kilometers (3100 miles) above the planet’s cloud tops.

website:
[link to missionjuno.swri.edu]

Considering Carters theory and reading mission statement (Juno ) it does seem that they have the right tools on boards to detect and analyse Jupiter and although Juno was launched in 2011 it gets to Jupiter in 2016 bit of a wait then.

I understand the theory being discussed in general terms only. Sounds very plausible and fitting with current phenomena. This is one of the best threads I have seen on GLP and I thank OP and all of the contributors for the exciting, but hopefully not forthcoming event thread. Thank you!

The Juno mission is also mentioned in Carper's book. It does seem very convenient to study "new changes" on Jupiter.

If heat is making its way up shell by shell it is supposed by 2016 we should definitely have undeniable signs by then. We already have some infrared radiation evidence from the recent NASA article where Orton talks about it.

You're welcome!

Good thread. First saw it months ago.

All we can do is wait and observe.

What crossed my mind from the start is how at least the western human mind is so limited about the idea of what life is and under what conditions it exists, including that life could exist on places that look dead to us in other dimensions or spiritual levels that are not normally visible.

This is what the Rosicrucians suggest in their teachings.

What if, there were life forms evolved and adapted deep inside of Jupiter, whole enormous civilizations full of beautiful and varied souls?

If that were the case then such an act of sending this nuclear bomb to them would have been the ultimate atrocity on a scale beyond anything we even imagine here on earth.

What if souls occasionally transmigrate en mass from a planet when there are great upheavals, and what if those mass movements of souls cause periods of change and upheaval in the makeup in the types of souls present on other planets?

That would be like "Throwing The Gates (of Hell) Open"... to one who thinks and practices things like sorcery.

One of my grandfathers and one of his sons were high level engineers for Hughes and Raytheon. They were also high level Rosicrucians and Masons.

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Good points! I have thought about similar things. Clarke wrote in his book "2010" (you didn't see this part in the movie) that Bowman's spirit witnessed "primitive bubble-type life-forms" that had tenuous bodies below the upper layers of Jupiter, kinda of like strange jellyfish.

It's true every time we think an environment cannot support life, life deos exists adapted around the conditions. This surprise has happened in deserts, oceans, and poles on Earth already.

That also reminds me of a "Toynbee tile message"

TOYNBEE IDEAS
IN KUBRICK'S '2001'
RESURRECT DEAD
ON PLANET JUPITER.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

A "toynbee" idea is an idea that "creates the future by advertising what it will definitely be"

It's a "creation tool" where you control mass ideas like memes to MAKE the future you want come to pass.

Kubrick was doing this through movies, creating the future intentionally rather than just letting it randomly form.

In '2001' there is some sort of "star child" philosophy of "transformation to higher beings" going on. And it all centers around Jupiter somehow.

In the book, not so much in the movie '2010', this continues. The Bowman star child becomes so powerful that he is able to diffuse a nuclear missile headed for a country while its in the atmosphere. He makes it detonate there high above, NOT TO SAVE EARTH, but to absorb the energy for his next adventures.

In the movie, the Bowman star child appears also in different settings.

It is strange to note that the phrase FLOYD: "What's going to happen?" Bowman: "Something wonderful!" does not occur in the book, only the movie.

Another important aspect of this that's been rolling around in my head is this:

If the solar system is actually a complex WAVE FUNCTION with careful resonances holding status quo in place, then altering Jupiter's center will DRASTICALLY alter this WAVE PATTERN thereby CHANGING REALITY on Earth and the solar system.

I'm not sure WHAT the change will be though.

If the solar system is a very stable but complex "standing wave function", then in mid-2009 this wave should have started slowly evolving to something else if Jupiter has been affected at its center.

Here is a little text from A Rosicrucian Cosmo-Conception written 1n 1909 by Max Heindel
[link to www.rosicrucian.com]

I have not read this book in many decades, but for sure there are other passages even more relevant to this thread.

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The Rosicrucian Cosmo-Conception teaches that there is a further evolution in store for planets.

When the beings upon a planet have evolved to a sufficient degree, the planet becomes a Sun--the fixed center of a Solar System. When the beings upon it have evolved to a still greater degree, and consequently it has reached its maximum brilliancy, it breaks up into Zodiac, becoming, so to speak, the womb for a new Solar System.

Thus the great hosts of Divine Beings who, until then, were confined within that Sun, gain freedom of action upon a great number of stars, whence they can affect in different ways the system which grows up within their sphere of influence. The planets, or man-bearing worlds, within the Zodiac are constantly being worked upon by these forces, but in various ways, according to the stage they have reached in evolution.

Our Sun could not become a Sun until it had sent out from itself all the beings who were not sufficiently evolved to endure the high rate of vibration and the great luminosity of the beings who were qualified for that evolution. All the beings upon the different planets would have been consumed had they remained in the Sun.

This visible Sun, however, though it is the place of evolution for Beings vastly above man, is not by many means the Father of the other planets, as material science supposes. On the contrary, it is itself an emanation from the Central Sun, which is the invisible source of all that is in our Solar System. Our visible Sun is but the mirror in which are reflected the rays of energy from the Spiritual Sun. The real Sun is as invisible as the real Man.

Uranus was the first planet to be thrown off from the nebula when its differentiation began in Chaos, at the dawn of the Earth Period. There was no light but the dim light of the Zodiac. The life that left with Uranus is of a rather backward strain and is said to evolve very, very slowly.

Saturn was next differentiated. It is the field of action for the life which is at the stage of evolution corresponding to the Saturn Period. This planet was differentiated before the ignition of the nebula and (like all nebulae when passing through their Saturn Period of evolution) was not a source of light, but a reflector.

Jupiter was differentiated shortly afterwards, when the nebula had become ignited. The heat of Jupiter is not so great as that of the Sun, Venus or Mercury, but on account of its immense bulk, it is capable of retaining its heat and thus remains a suitable field of evolution for very advanced beings. It corresponds to the stage which will be reached by the Earth itself in the Jupiter Period.
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If I spent the whole day reviewing that treatise I could come up with some more direct tie-ins I am sure,

but furthermore I wish to highlight this sort of thought to show the types of ideas that the engineers and powers that be might have in relation to such a hypothetical intentional act, which would amount an act of high evil sorcery within their cosmo-conception.

My great grand father was Philip Sidney Allen of Oceanside CA. He was a holder of hundreds of patents relating to electronics, optics, lighting methods, and was somehow associated with Nicola Tesla, where some of his knowledge may have come from. He was also a key member of the Rosicrucian Fellowship of Oceanside CA, and he knew Max Heindel personally.

His son was John Phillip Allen, also an engineer in electronics and optics and holder of many patents, he knew and worked closely with Land who invented Polaroid, and was a key engineer for Howard Hughes, especially back when Howard was working on his radar stealthy pet project, the spruce goose. He was a high level Rosicrucian, and later Mormon, as was Hughes.

His son also was an electrical optical engineer for Hughes and later Raytheon, and was also at least involved with the Masonic order, possibly the Rosicrucians. I don't know much about that uncle though, except that he is directly responsible for automated public surveillance systems, like photo-radar, and that he died suddenly and mysteriously of a heart attack a few years after his father.

These engineers and leaders working on these sorts of projects I suspect, might have the belief system that would make acts of high sorcery plausible.

Last Edited by ehecatl on 11/08/2012 12:36 PM

Very interesting!

In the book by Carper "The Philosopher's Stone for the Transformation of Jupiter", it is shown that the sky location for the plunge of Galileo into Jupiter in 2003 was the same location (not exact but extremely close to a fine degree and "visually" the same location) as what is popularly thought to be the cause of the "Star of Bethlehem" also known as the "Star of Virgo". In 2 BC there was a partial overlap of Venus on Jupiter and this caused a HUGE stir in mystic and astrological circles of the time...they'd never seen anything so coincidental!

10.5 RA, 10.4 Dec. is the location.

This plunge location being at the same spot is very symbolic of a "new age" forming by the planners of this thing.

I agree that the sending of the pellets deep into Jupiter could definitely be "high black magic" as you described.

Another aspect of this that should be considered is that it is supposed that a small agenda group is involved with sneaking this into Jupiter because the rest around them are oblivious to the stealthiness of this whole thing.

But, it occurred to me that there is yet another shocking possibility: that a ROGUE GROUP yet within a masonic group has taken it on themselves to try this with only the knowledge and permission of an extremely high-placed mason who has also gone ROGUE without the general knowledge of the rest of his clique. The nature of exclusiveness of the knowledge involved in this makes this possible.

What I'm getting at is that there may NOT be uniformity at the very TOP and this sort of plan is a GAME CHANGER even to those who thought that had things totally in control.

If this is the case, there may be literally JUST A HANDFUL of people who know the full extent, and this handful is pulling the strings of oblivious helpers.

10.5 RA, 10.4 Dec. is also closest to the star "Rho Leo" which is symbolic for "Lion's Paw" (it's the paw of Leo) thereby: the Mason's "Grip of the Lion's Paw" which means rebirth, resurrection, prone to upright.

Here is one of my interpretations of the mechanics of high sorcery from what I understand of the Rosicrucion way of thinking,

If a person commits an act that has a great deal of effect on a great many souls, then that act through karmic ties passing through the spirit world creates a great stream of the energy proceeding from the intent of as many souls that are affected by that act. That is an energy that can potentially be tapped on for "favors" for any number of purposes. However there are many negating factors in the energy transfer (besides the knowledge of how to use negative karma as a positive energy is the ultimate dangerous game, although some people believe this is possible.) , negating factors so if there are many people here in the physical world who are directly aware of who is really plucking the karmic harp strings (or puppet strings) behind the curtain.

Celebrities may have difficulties being completely effective sorcerers because of the natural character of souls being able to recognize when their energies are being tapped for the benefit of some selfish few. Even a celebrity will usually depend on some isolation from people's awareness to gather their "own" energies (which may largely originate from the awarness/energy/thoughts, of other people, but can be effectively sorted and borrowed upon in that quiet time). A more serious sorcerer however will probably practice the more Castaneda-like loosing personal history all together if they can.

The sorcery of the military industrial leaders would be an interesting topic for me to hear more from Douglas Dietrich on.

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Dan 2:42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

The brilliant part of the energy body of the average adult in modern times does not rise any higher than the level of the big toe.

(This is because, according to those teachings, parasitic spiritual forces use us as a food source, and only leave us the bare minimum awareness energy necessary to survive.)

Don Juan, according to Carlos Castaneda

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Nah 1:3 The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.

and yet the basic quality of a soul in fact the essence of life energy or awareness itself, is its ability to change. (If it does not change it is as if it does not even exist)
and the bible even contradicts itself on this, with forgivness of sins, atonement, ect.

but perhaps the broader issue that I wanted to address here is not what I think, or what you think, or even of the real nature of anything, but rather what they believe (the ones responsible for any particular act). In that regard I would suggest that the Rosicrucian, Masons, and the downright black magic traditions that are popular with the western PTB thes days, would be the belief that ALL souls, both good and bad eventually become the God-Head, or attain nirvana (heaven, in judeo christian terms), regardless of how evil that long chain of decisions, which one calls a soul, was way back who knows when; that both good and evil are parts of God and the ability to experience both are the direct evidence of that. It's the belief that just that from certain points of view the evil path is slower and delayed, where as the more divine the path, the shorter the route, (and the less life experience gained in terms of "food" for the God-head, if one believes that the ultimate purpose of God is to swallow life-experience.)

In other words, the scripture may be correct, and I like it, because I am the wind, but I don't think the warning would bother some of the more dark type of occult practitioners, if they were consciously making a decision to try to ignite Jupiter, in some candle-lit who knows what kind of type pagan ritual, knowing all along that their spiritual traditions says that Jupiter is populated with evolved souls. (so that they believe that there is at least a slight possibility that Jupiter is populated with some life that we cannot yet see or understand.)

There are both good and evil schools of thought within these philosophies, just as there are stereotypical good and evil sorcerers in Mexican and in the other world sorcery traditions.

It is just that now many stories are surfacing, not just of things I read on the web, but personal things I find out too, which keep reinforcing the idea that those most in power in the US are often involved in the classically evil type of sorcery belief systems.

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This is interesting and I have heard similar theories about tapping into energy in this way, like the "loosh" theory. This suggests that since the author of the said Lucifer Project book has EXPOSED what is going on, he in fact has DISRUPTED the SECRECY of the energy stream that may come from it, and by doing so has diminished some of the energy of the planners and given some to the readers.

The author, Carper, is knowingly or unknowingly practicing anti-black sorcery, since one of black sorcery's great powers is SECRECY.

"Anti black sorcery" as in 'against black magic'

I was thinking the same things OP.

In truth and respect, I don't know if my great grandfather, grandfather, or uncle practiced the "dark type of sorcery", which is manipulative or malevolent or parasitic. They all seemed like good people to me, always friendly although all three mostly just smiled and rarely ever said anything, totally aloof, just like their British blue-blood ancestry. But they (and Howard Hughes) were all involved in at least the "white" type of occult mysticism, as are many in such positions I am coming to find out. I don't have a clue who was in charge of the Jupiter probe either.

We don't have much except for speculation here, which GLP is great for. But it is some interesting speculation, even if they ignited Jupiter just by accident.


(When planning the descent of a probe into Jupiter they've got engineers going backwards and forwards for years in advance everything that they expect might happen to such a craft during it's descent, so if that plutonium exploded, I doubt if they were not aware of the possibility in advance.)

Right, not to get away from the actual science of this thing which is the plausible direction, removing any "mysticism" or "magic"; this theory works on the scientific level. Even if nearly all engineers had been appeased regarding the criticality of the Pu mix (and most were not even looking there), I am sure a few KNEW the potential of the pellets. The conditions are just TOO RIGHT like the LWRHU's were custom made for this sort of thing.

--LWHRU's into Jupiter INTACT in 1995
--Falling deep is allowed by EOS of carbon
--Pu-238/239 mix deemed fissile and fissionable
--Supercritical Spark creates 1 trillion Kelvin temps under 30 million bars containment
--Fusion reaction consolidates to center after liquidating it.
--Fusion reaaction spreads to no more than 10% radius (inner).

And then the evidence:
--Resulting Wesley mark and antipodal electrical discharges point to the CENTER being affected
--IR radiation "from the depths" rising now verified in Physics.org article

This is why the pellets are called "The Philosopher's Stone"