Put yourself in Israels position for a moment.

Put yourself in Iran's position. The United States, the only country in world history to attack someone with nuclear bombs, has them surrounded with military bases. The Israelis have nuclear weapons, the USA has nuclear weapons, and they can't have them?

The minute the USA and Israel adopted pre-emptive strikes against their chosen enemies, they were destined to face this situation. I'm not making any moral judgements here, just trying to state the facts as I see them. It is inevitable that Iran will acquire nukes to protect themselves, if they don't build their own they will buy them on the black market. If the USA and Israel want to know why Iran is actively seeking to protect their own interests, they should look in the mirror.

This is what is taught in almost all forms of media.

The J-ew is always the victims, without question.

99% of the people on this site are still thoroughly brainwashed and believe this.

I say this with no judgement because as a german im walking on thin ice here but remember America wasnt always your country.

Then they shouldn't have lobbied to move a bunch of European and American jewish people to a place where everyone hates them and stealing their land.

You realize this was a choice, right? It wasn't like they didn't have anywhere else to go. They chose it.

By the way I'm sorry if I come off as a prick in the above comment, but it's an interesting way of thinking about things. This thread is much better than the Jew-bashing or Muslim-bashing threads I see around here way too often.

Israel is perfectly capable.

Preemption is illegitimate.

Israel could probably nuke the entire middle east, turn it into a parking lot.

they just dont want mutually assured destruction, because of oil.

it would give iran leverage in oil.

so, it exposes that the entire israel/iran conflict is not ideological, but economic,... and corporate zionist; meaning it is not a concern for jewish people or their nationalism, but coporate exploitation... and desire to control resources.

Last Edited by Intergalactic Diplomat on 09/16/2012 11:34 AM

Sounds reasonable

Israel is occupying (and violently) other peoples land. It's only been in existence since 1948. The angle posed in this thread is moot because they should not even be there in the first place.

I dont think people get it. jewish people are not victims as stands NOW. However, they were victims of the holocaust. As a people they fought and won israel. They didnt murder millions of palestines. They simply left them to the poorer life. Survival was their main motivation.

Israel Is our friend and ally, why can't some of you see Israel must do as it feels it must to survive? I hope when the decision is made our country is with them 100% and we act jointly to deal with the threats in the region decisively.

you have a fair point here.

But i think it would be irresponsible for Israel/USA to just trust Iran that they will do the right thing. Especially after some of the comments Ahmadinedschad made in the past.

How the country of Israel came to be, never did make sense to me. Why does one group/religion deserve a country? Oh I know, the atrocities perpetrated against the Jewish people were horrendous, but in order to give this “group” a country, atrocities were perpetrated on another group of people.
That has never made sense to me.

It’s like the Mormons being given Utah, because their leader said that area was their promised land, or the Catholics being given Italy, because Rome is theirs or the Greek Orthodox being given Greece, because that is where they originated.

If people of any religion want to live in a specific area of the world, they should immigrate. That is what the rest of the worlds’ population does if they want to live in an area.

What gives any group the right to displace thousands and thousands of people in one fell swoop, forcing them out of homes and off of land that had been in their families for generations?

How in God’s name did anyone think there wouldn’t be trouble when this kind of forced displacement of one group, to accommodate another group took place?

I’m not an advocate of organized religion to begin with, but the whole idea of taking from one to give to another in this manner was fools play.

Did the originators of this plan and the Jewish people really expect a different outcome? If so, they are living in a fantasy world, not the real world.

Change topic to : Put yourself in Rothshilds ocupation of Palestine for a moment.

Then we will have a realistic conversation.

Exactly, and Iran would be foolish to trust the USA and Israel with their history of pre-emptive strikes. We are all in a "no win" situation here. And by we, I mean the whole world. I just hope the cooler heads prevail in these dangerous times. I just want to go to sleep and wake up when it's all over.

I do define victims as people who have had their family murdered for no reason. I think atheist, muslim or what ever that does qualify as a being a victim of great violence.

North Korea and Russia have both threatened to destroy the world and the US with Nuclear weapons. China is threatening people as we speak. Pakistan threatens India with nukes.

Yet, the only country we give a rat's ass about is Israel, and that Iran said something mean to them.

Explain that to me.

Last Edited by Jake101 on 09/16/2012 11:47 AM

Ok jewish people were subjected to huge unreasoned violence in germany. If your mum and brother was subjected to such abuse and savage murder lets see how you would feel. And what would you do. Id do the same id realise as the one of the targets of others prejudice that i have to move. Id move where i felt i could survive and fight. Israel won in 6 days the war to occupy israel. The british even got out .

hahaha they won the 6 day war with an equipped army, filled to the brim with the most modern of technology, and air support, fighting armies still relying on horse cavalry and swords, mixed in with improperly maintained Enfields.

The land was stolen, and they opted to move into a region that hates them. No sympathy for them.

Last Edited by Jake101 on 09/16/2012 11:50 AM

Actually the country of Israel was created in 1948 and the 6 day war in 1967 was Israel's way to take more land in the area by force.
Really? did they think things would end peacefully? No war ends peacefully, there will always be underlying hate for those who killed and took away what wasn't theirs to begin with.

Israel was fairly won. Get over yourself. Everyone deserves a home. Many countries were conquered by others this way.

No thief sleeps tight.

Actually, I know of no other country that was created in peace time, after a world war, by a group (NATO) of nations getting together and forcing people who had nothing to do with the world war out of thier homes to accomodate a religious group that was victimized by the perpetrater of that world war.

Have you got some examples I can look up?

I have put myself in Israel's position. And, the best thing for them to do is STFU if they don't want to be obliterated.

Its the same thing that smart people do when in bad neighborhoods. Instead of running around banging on trash cans while being LOUD AND OBNOXIOUS, they should probably shut up and take the humble path of humility while being QUIET and GRACIOUS. Something ISRAEL isn't known for...

they moved there!!!

You are deluded. Go relearn your history.....not the one taught you in school.

They bring Iranian nuclear issue up and suddenly it becomes relevant to you. Seems they have to tell you what to think.

Israel is surrounded by 22 Arab countries with 640 times her size.

The thing is that Israel really could be wiped out within a heartbeat because its so small.

Also North Korea is protected by China and the US cant mess witch China right now.

I dont know what you reffering to when you say russia threatens to destory the world. Im sure it wasnt Putin or Medvedev who made these comments.

"What would you want the leaders of your own country to do if you were surrounded by enemies knowing at least one of them is building nuclear facilities.."

Israel openly boasts the largest stockpile of proliferated nuclear weapons on the planet and has repeatedly displayed an almost child-like willingness to deploy some of the most horrific weapons known to man on unarmed civilian populations..

Israel fits every description of a rogue nuclear state & has become like a heavily armed whore screaming rape in the middle of an orgy.. every bit as viscous as her enemies ever were.

5-bullshit wars based on a student's term paper.. enemies don't just happen, you have to work very hard to create an enemy..

But you are absolutely right on one thing, our leaders have done nothing to stop them. There can be no peace found at the end of a gun.. nor in the middle east with an illegally armed Israel.