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46 Prophecies the AntiChrist will fulfill

 
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Salt has no light.

1 John 2:18

Little children, it is the last time: and as you have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; by which we know that it is the last time.

It was the last time in John's day. It's not happening today. John wrote this around 65AD.

Anyone who denies Jesus the Christ IS anti-christ.

1 John 2:22

Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son.

Sorry, but none of this is happening today, or in our future. It's in our past, long ago.
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1 John 2:18

Little children, it is the last time: and as you have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; by which we know that it is the last time.

It was the last time in John's day. It's not happening today. John wrote this around 65AD.

Anyone who denies Jesus the Christ IS anti-christ.

1 John 2:22

Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son.

Sorry, but none of this is happening today, or in our future. It's in our past, long ago.
 Quoting: DarkCabalGoingDown


Preterist nonsense.

Anti-Christ is another 'Christ' or another Christianity or another 'in the place of' Christ as the Pope claims to be Vicar of Jesus over his Roman Church.

[link to www.who-is-the-antichrist.org]
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the great whore signifies a false/blasphemous/heretic church
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Yes but there is so much more about the whore in the Bible that narrows down it's possible fulfillment.

The whore sits on seven hills. Rome is on seven hills.

The whore is drunk with the blood of the saints (christians). The Roman catholic church has probably killed more christians than any other hate group. Just read Foxe's book of Martyrs as a start.

“‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!’[a]
She has become a dwelling for demons
and a haunt for every impure spirit,
a haunt for every unclean bird,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal.
3 For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”

The whore of Babylon is a haunt for demons. If you've ever read any of deceased catholic priests Martin Malachi's book you would know that satanism is openly practiced in the Vatican, as well as blood sacrifice. Moreover the vatican sits on a vast treasure that she uses to influence people and nations.

I think the shoe fits quite well. The vatican is the whore of babylon. I believe the Roman catholic church will start off promoting the antichrist religion in the last days, but the antichrist himself will destroy her, as a favor to God.
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 Quoting: Salt


Yes but there is so much more about the whore in the Bible that narrows down it's possible fulfillment.

The whore sits on seven hills. Rome is on seven hills.

The whore is drunk with the blood of the saints (christians). The Roman catholic church has probably killed more christians than any other hate group. Just read Foxe's book of Martyrs as a start.

“‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!’[a]
She has become a dwelling for demons
and a haunt for every impure spirit,
a haunt for every unclean bird,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal.
3 For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”

The whore of Babylon is a haunt for demons. If you've ever read any of deceased catholic priests Martin Malachi's book you would know that satanism is openly practiced in the Vatican, as well as blood sacrifice. Moreover the vatican sits on a vast treasure that she uses to influence people and nations.

I think the shoe fits quite well. The vatican is the whore of babylon. I believe the Roman catholic church will start off promoting the antichrist religion in the last days, but the antichrist himself will destroy her, as a favor to God.
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the antichrist will not destroy anything that ultimately serves his agenda
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the great whore signifies a false/blasphemous/heretic church
 Quoting: Salt


Yes but there is so much more about the whore in the Bible that narrows down it's possible fulfillment.

The whore sits on seven hills. Rome is on seven hills.

The whore is drunk with the blood of the saints (christians). The Roman catholic church has probably killed more christians than any other hate group. Just read Foxe's book of Martyrs as a start.

“‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!’[a]
She has become a dwelling for demons
and a haunt for every impure spirit,
a haunt for every unclean bird,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal.
3 For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”

The whore of Babylon is a haunt for demons. If you've ever read any of deceased catholic priests Martin Malachi's book you would know that satanism is openly practiced in the Vatican, as well as blood sacrifice. Moreover the vatican sits on a vast treasure that she uses to influence people and nations.

I think the shoe fits quite well. The vatican is the whore of babylon. I believe the Roman catholic church will start off promoting the antichrist religion in the last days, but the antichrist himself will destroy her, as a favor to God.
 Quoting: SevenThunders



the antichrist will not destroy anything that ultimately serves his agenda
 Quoting: Salt


Rev 17:16 explains the A/C turning on the RCC and nuking Rome.

The 12th Mahdi (Beast from the Earth/ The Assyrian) will "appear" from the Well in Medina after the war that is coming up very soon. He will offer a peace solution.

The Pope (Beast from the Sea) will pronounce from the "Holy See" that Imam Mahdi is the reincarnated appearance of the Muslims long awaited Messiah and he, the Pope, is "Asa" the reincarnation of Jesus who will asist the Mahdi in forming a one world Religion "Chrislam"
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bumping for salt....... came across something today regarding the restrainer and the timing of the revealing........
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bumping for salt....... came across something today regarding the restrainer and the timing of the revealing........
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I'd like to hear more, Shamar. hf
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bumping for salt....... came across something today regarding the restrainer and the timing of the revealing........
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i'm here, please continue!!
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2 Thess: For the Day will not come until after the Apostasy has come and the man who separates himself from Torah has been revealed, the one destined for doom. 4 He will oppose himself to everything that people call a god or make an object of worship; he will put himself above them all, so that he will sit in the Temple of God and proclaim that he himself is God.[a]

5 Don’t you remember that when I was still with you, I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, so that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For already this separating from Torah is at work secretly, but it will be secretly only until he who is restraining is out of the way. 8 Then the one who embodies separation from Torah will be revealed, the one whom the Lord Yeshua will slay with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the glory of his coming.
9 When this man who avoids Torah comes, the Adversary will give him the power to work all kinds of false miracles, signs and wonders. 10 He will enable him to deceive, in all kinds of wicked ways, those who are headed for destruction because they would not receive the love of the truth that could have saved them. 11 This is why God is causing them to go astray, so that they will believe the Lie. 12 The result will be that all who have not believed the truth, but have taken their pleasure in wickedness, will be condemned.(complete jewish bible translation)

The red phrase refers to Isaiah 11:

he will be inspired by fearing Adonai.
He will not judge by what his eyes see
or decide by what his ears hear,
4 but he will judge the impoverished justly;
he will decide fairly for the humble of the land.
He will strike the land with a rod from his mouth
and slay the wicked with a breath from his lips.
5 Justice will be the belt around his waist,
faithfulness the sash around his hips.

The green part refers back to John 12:40 and Romans 1:24-28.

The rest of these verses refer back to Daniel 36:39.

36 “The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt himself and consider himself greater than any god, and he will utter monstrous blasphemies against the God of gods. He will prosper only until the period of wrath is over, for what has been determined must take place. 37 He will show no respect for the gods his ancestors worshipped, or for the god women worship — he won’t show respect for any god, because he will consider himself greater than all of them. 38 But instead, he will honor the god of strongholds; with gold, silver, precious stones and other costly things he will honor a god unknown to his ancestors. 39 He will deal with the strongest fortresses with the help of a foreign god. He will confer honor on those he acknowledges, causing them to rule over many and distributing land as a reward.

BUT

what I was looking at, was the timing of these things. It seems that culmination of events occurs at once one major event occurs:

Daniel 12:1 - When that time comes, Mikha’el, the great prince who champions your people, will stand up; and there will be a time of distress unparalleled between the time they became a nation and that moment. At that time, your people will be delivered, everyone whose name is found written in the book. 2 Many of those sleeping in the dust of the earth will awaken, some to everlasting life and some to everlasting shame and abhorrence. 3 But those who can discern will shine like the brightness of heaven’s dome, and those who turn many to righteousness like the stars forever and ever.

These are the people who "flee to the mountains" ... These are the ones spoken of here in Micah: “I will assemble all of you, Ya‘akov; I will gather the remnant of Isra’el, I will put them together like sheep in a pen, like a herd in its pasture — it will hum with the sounds of people.”

And here, in Jeremiah: Jer (YirmeYahu) 23:3-8: “Therefore I shall gather the remnant of My flock out of all the lands where I have driven them, and shall bring them back to their fold. And they shall bear and increase.

And I shall raise up shepherds over them, and they shall feed them. And they shall fear no more, nor be discouraged, nor shall they be lacking, declares Yahuah.

See, the days are coming,” declares Yahuah, “when I shall raise for Da’uḏa Branch of righteousness, and a Sovereign shall reign and act wisely, and shall do right-ruling and righteousness in the earth

In His days Yahudah shall be saved, and Yisrael dwell safely. And this is His Name whereby He shall be called: 'Yahuah is our Righteousness.’ (Transliterated in Hebrew: Yahuah Tsediqenu; this is Yahusha's "new Name")

Therefore, see, the days are coming,” declares Yahuah, “when they shall say no more, ‘As Yahuah lives who brought up the children of Yisrael out of the land of Mitsrayim,’

but, ‘As Yahuah lives who brought up and led the seed of the house of Yisrael out of the land of the north and from all the lands where I had driven them.’ And they shall dwell on their own soil.”

SO:

The judgment of the the regathering of His people, (Israel and those gentiles grafted into Israel, the waking of the dead to glory or shame, and the transitioning of those who are alive while this happens, all happen pretty much at the same time, and it does appear that Michael, the principality of His elect, is the restrainer of the revealing of the man of sin. However, I would say, not in his own timing, but the timing of the Most High. And, it looks to me (still) that the timing of all of this is just prior to the events fulfilled in the 7th seal.

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2 Thess: For the Day will not come until after the Apostasy has come and the man who separates himself from Torah has been revealed, the one destined for doom. 4 He will oppose himself to everything that people call a god or make an object of worship; he will put himself above them all, so that he will sit in the Temple of God and proclaim that he himself is God.[a]

 Quoting: Shamar


why do you replace the words "man of lawlessness" with "man who separates himself from Torah"?

that is not what the scripture reads.

the word lawlessness means "sin", not "avoids/rejects Torah"
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2 Thess: For the Day will not come until after the Apostasy has come and the man who separates himself from Torah has been revealed, the one destined for doom. 4 He will oppose himself to everything that people call a god or make an object of worship; he will put himself above them all, so that he will sit in the Temple of God and proclaim that he himself is God.[a]

 Quoting: Shamar


why do you replace the words "man of lawlessness" with "man who separates himself from Torah"?

that is not what the scripture reads.
 Quoting: Salt


Actually, it does. The Torah IS the "law", although I admit there are MANY different LAWS and not ALL of them are Torah.
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Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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2 Thess: For the Day will not come until after the Apostasy has come and the man who separates himself from Torah has been revealed, the one destined for doom. 4 He will oppose himself to everything that people call a god or make an object of worship; he will put himself above them all, so that he will sit in the Temple of God and proclaim that he himself is God.[a]

 Quoting: Shamar


why do you replace the words "man of lawlessness" with "man who separates himself from Torah"?

that is not what the scripture reads.
 Quoting: Salt


Actually, it does. The Torah IS the "law", although I admit there are MANY different LAWS and not ALL of them are Torah.
 Quoting: Shamar


the scripture does not read that way. the scripture talks about the man of lawlessness which is not the Torah in this context.

you are replacing words and changing the context.

LAWLESS

lo'-les (anomos): While occurring but once in the King James Version (1 Timothy 1:9), is translated in various ways, e.g. "without law" (1 Corinthians 9:21); "unlawful" (2 Peter 2:8 the King James Version); "lawless" (1 Timothy 1:9); "transgressor" (Mark 15:28 Luke 22:37); "wicked" (Acts 2:23 the King James Version; 2 Thessalonians 2:8 the King James Version). When Paul claims to be "without law," he has reference to those things in the ceremonial law which might well be passed over, and not to the moral law. Paul was by no means an antinomian. Those are "lawless" who break the law of the Decalogue; hence, those who disobey the commandment, "Honor thy father and thy mother," are lawless (1 Timothy 1:9). The civil law is also the law of God. Those breaking it are lawless, hence, called "transgressors." Those who are unjust in their dealings are also "lawless"; for this reason the hands of Pilate and those who with him unjustly condemned Jesus are called "wicked (unlawful) hands" (Acts 2:23 the King James Version). The most notable example of lawlessness is the Antichrist, that "wicked (lawless) one" (2 Thessalonians 2:8).

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It is unfortunate that AHYH's loving instructions have been translated and its meaning confused over the centuries to be understood as "law" and usually those laws supposedly given to Moshe on Mt. Sinai. those laws, being burdensome and unable to be kept.

But that is not what Torah is. And I happen to believe that Paul knew what torah really was when he penned the words that we discuss.

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The Hebrew word "Torah" is usually translated into the English word "Law". Because of this translation there is a great misunderstanding of what "Torah" truly is. "TORAH IS NOT LAW". When we use the word "law" we assume a certain meaning and concept of the word that is not present in the Hebrew Scriptures.

Let us start by looking at the Etymology of the Hebrew word Torah so that we may better understand its true definition. The word Torah comes from the Hebrew root word "Yarah", a verb which means "to flow or throw something". This can be a flowing of an arrow from an archers bow, or the flowing of a finger to point out a direction. Nouns are derived from the verb by making one or two changes to the verb root. In this case the Y (yud) is replaced by an O (vav) and an M (mem) is added at the front of the word to form the noun "Moreh". A Moreh is "one who does the flowing". This can be an archer who flows an arrow, or a teacher who flows his finger to point out way the student is to go in the walk of life. Another noun is formed the same way except that a T (tav) is placed at the front of the word instead of an M and we have the word "Torah". Torah is "what is flowed by the Moreh". This can be the arrow from the archer or the teachings and instructions from the teacher.

A hebraic definition of Torah is "a set of Instructions, from a father to his children, violation of these instructions are disciplined in order to foster obedience and train his children". Notice how the word "Torah" is translated in the New International Version translation in the following passages.

"Listen, my son, to your father's instruction and do not forsake your mother's teaching [Torah]." (Proverbs 1:8)

"My son, do not forget my teaching [Torah], but keep my commands in your heart". (Proverbs 3:1)


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Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

International Standard Version (©2008)
Then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will destroy with the breath of his mouth, rendering him powerless by the manifestation of his coming.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
And then that Evil One will be revealed, whom our Lord Yeshua will consume with a breath of his mouth, and will destroy him by the revelation of his coming.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Then the man of sin will be revealed and the Lord Jesus will destroy him by what he says. When the Lord Jesus comes, his appearance will put an end to this man.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
And then shall that Wicked One be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the breath of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

American King James Version
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

American Standard Version
And then shall be revealed the lawless one, whom the Lord Jesus shall slay with the breath of his mouth, and bring to nought by the manifestation of his coming;

Douay-Rheims Bible
And then that wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth; and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming, him,
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you miss the entire point. these are New Testament scriptures. Jesus has already lived and fulfilled the law. keep them in the context that they should be.

The Wicked One, Lawless One, Man of sin is the one against JESUS, not the Torah.
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you miss the entire point. these are New Testament scriptures. Jesus has already lived and fulfilled the law. keep them in the context that they should be.

The Wicked One, Lawless One, Man of sin is the one against JESUS, not the Torah.
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aaahhhhhhhhhhh, therein lies our problem.

Jesus IS the torah, so if the man of sin is against Jesus, he is also by default against The Word.

And, fulfilled doesn't mean "end" it means He fulfilled it, he DID it, he did it completely and perfectly. And He taught US how to do it as well. So if we follow Him, we follow His loving instructions.

What ARE his loving instructions?
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Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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2 Thess: For the Day will not come until after the Apostasy has come and the man who separates himself from Torah has been revealed, the one destined for doom. 4 He will oppose himself to everything that people call a god or make an object of worship; he will put himself above them all, so that he will sit in the Temple of God and proclaim that he himself is God.[a]

5 Don’t you remember that when I was still with you, I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, so that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For already this separating from Torah is at work secretly, but it will be secretly only until he who is restraining is out of the way. 8 Then the one who embodies separation from Torah will be revealed, the one whom the Lord Yeshua will slay with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the glory of his coming.
9 When this man who avoids Torah comes, the Adversary will give him the power to work all kinds of false miracles, signs and wonders. 10 He will enable him to deceive, in all kinds of wicked ways, those who are headed for destruction because they would not receive the love of the truth that could have saved them. 11 This is why God is causing them to go astray, so that they will believe the Lie. 12 The result will be that all who have not believed the truth, but have taken their pleasure in wickedness, will be condemned.(complete jewish bible translation)

The red phrase refers to Isaiah 11:

he will be inspired by fearing Adonai.
He will not judge by what his eyes see
or decide by what his ears hear,
4 but he will judge the impoverished justly;
he will decide fairly for the humble of the land.
He will strike the land with a rod from his mouth
and slay the wicked with a breath from his lips.
5 Justice will be the belt around his waist,
faithfulness the sash around his hips.

The green part refers back to John 12:40 and Romans 1:24-28.

The rest of these verses refer back to Daniel 36:39.

36 “The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt himself and consider himself greater than any god, and he will utter monstrous blasphemies against the God of gods. He will prosper only until the period of wrath is over, for what has been determined must take place. 37 He will show no respect for the gods his ancestors worshipped, or for the god women worship — he won’t show respect for any god, because he will consider himself greater than all of them. 38 But instead, he will honor the god of strongholds; with gold, silver, precious stones and other costly things he will honor a god unknown to his ancestors. 39 He will deal with the strongest fortresses with the help of a foreign god. He will confer honor on those he acknowledges, causing them to rule over many and distributing land as a reward.

BUT

what I was looking at, was the timing of these things. It seems that culmination of events occurs at once one major event occurs:

Daniel 12:1 - When that time comes, Mikha’el, the great prince who champions your people, will stand up; and there will be a time of distress unparalleled between the time they became a nation and that moment. At that time, your people will be delivered, everyone whose name is found written in the book. 2 Many of those sleeping in the dust of the earth will awaken, some to everlasting life and some to everlasting shame and abhorrence. 3 But those who can discern will shine like the brightness of heaven’s dome, and those who turn many to righteousness like the stars forever and ever.

These are the people who "flee to the mountains" ... These are the ones spoken of here in Micah: “I will assemble all of you, Ya‘akov; I will gather the remnant of Isra’el, I will put them together like sheep in a pen, like a herd in its pasture — it will hum with the sounds of people.”

And here, in Jeremiah: Jer (YirmeYahu) 23:3-8: “Therefore I shall gather the remnant of My flock out of all the lands where I have driven them, and shall bring them back to their fold. And they shall bear and increase.

And I shall raise up shepherds over them, and they shall feed them. And they shall fear no more, nor be discouraged, nor shall they be lacking, declares Yahuah.

See, the days are coming,” declares Yahuah, “when I shall raise for Da’uḏa Branch of righteousness, and a Sovereign shall reign and act wisely, and shall do right-ruling and righteousness in the earth

In His days Yahudah shall be saved, and Yisrael dwell safely. And this is His Name whereby He shall be called: 'Yahuah is our Righteousness.’ (Transliterated in Hebrew: Yahuah Tsediqenu; this is Yahusha's "new Name")

Therefore, see, the days are coming,” declares Yahuah, “when they shall say no more, ‘As Yahuah lives who brought up the children of Yisrael out of the land of Mitsrayim,’

but, ‘As Yahuah lives who brought up and led the seed of the house of Yisrael out of the land of the north and from all the lands where I had driven them.’ And they shall dwell on their own soil.”

SO:

The judgment of the the regathering of His people, (Israel and those gentiles grafted into Israel, the waking of the dead to glory or shame, and the transitioning of those who are alive while this happens, all happen pretty much at the same time, and it does appear that Michael, the principality of His elect, is the restrainer of the revealing of the man of sin. However, I would say, not in his own timing, but the timing of the Most High. And, it looks to me (still) that the timing of all of this is just prior to the events fulfilled in the 7th seal.
 Quoting: Shamar


WOW. Never saw the restraining part til now. Thanks, Shamar!
God bless y'all.
hf
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you miss the entire point. these are New Testament scriptures. Jesus has already lived and fulfilled the law. keep them in the context that they should be.

The Wicked One, Lawless One, Man of sin is the one against JESUS, not the Torah.
 Quoting: Salt


aaahhhhhhhhhhh, therein lies our problem.

Jesus IS the torah, so if the man of sin is against Jesus, he is also by default against The Word.

And, fulfilled doesn't mean "end" it means He fulfilled it, he DID it, he did it completely and perfectly. And He taught US how to do it as well. So if we follow Him, we follow His loving instructions.

What ARE his loving instructions?
 Quoting: Shamar


so you are j ew ish, then?

Jesus is the Torah and much more. that's my point.
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there are 61 more books in the divine Holy Scripture. Jesus is the Word. The Torah is one fraction.
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And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

 Quoting: Salt


you miss the entire point. these are New Testament scriptures. Jesus has already lived and fulfilled the law. keep them in the context that they should be.

The Wicked One, Lawless One, Man of sin is the one against JESUS, not the Torah.
 Quoting: Salt


aaahhhhhhhhhhh, therein lies our problem.

Jesus IS the torah, so if the man of sin is against Jesus, he is also by default against The Word.

And, fulfilled doesn't mean "end" it means He fulfilled it, he DID it, he did it completely and perfectly. And He taught US how to do it as well. So if we follow Him, we follow His loving instructions.

What ARE his loving instructions?
 Quoting: Shamar


His loving instructions are to recognize Jesus as the son of God and since... “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” (John 4:24)
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And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

 Quoting: Salt


you miss the entire point. these are New Testament scriptures. Jesus has already lived and fulfilled the law. keep them in the context that they should be.

The Wicked One, Lawless One, Man of sin is the one against JESUS, not the Torah.
 Quoting: Salt


aaahhhhhhhhhhh, therein lies our problem.

Jesus IS the torah, so if the man of sin is against Jesus, he is also by default against The Word.

And, fulfilled doesn't mean "end" it means He fulfilled it, he DID it, he did it completely and perfectly. And He taught US how to do it as well. So if we follow Him, we follow His loving instructions.

What ARE his loving instructions?
 Quoting: Shamar


His loving instructions are to recognize Jesus as the son of God and since... “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” (John 4:24)
 Quoting: abeliever


Is that it? Is that all He wants or expects from His people? Just recognize Jesus as the Son of God?

I think it is far, far more than that.

When Jesus came, He came teaching that the Kingdom of God was at hand.

If you are going to be a priest and a member of a holy nation, what are you going to do as a priest and member of His Kingdom?
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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you miss the entire point. these are New Testament scriptures. Jesus has already lived and fulfilled the law. keep them in the context that they should be.

The Wicked One, Lawless One, Man of sin is the one against JESUS, not the Torah.
 Quoting: Salt


aaahhhhhhhhhhh, therein lies our problem.

Jesus IS the torah, so if the man of sin is against Jesus, he is also by default against The Word.

And, fulfilled doesn't mean "end" it means He fulfilled it, he DID it, he did it completely and perfectly. And He taught US how to do it as well. So if we follow Him, we follow His loving instructions.

What ARE his loving instructions?
 Quoting: Shamar


so you are j ew ish, then?

Jesus is the Torah and much more. that's my point.
 Quoting: Salt


No, I am not a *j-ew*......That's is a recent term given to a people who are not even members of the 12 tribes.

I am an Israelite.

So, what are the loving instructions of the Messiah? What Words of His Father did He teach that we are to follow, if we love Him?

Anyway, guess we are completely now off topic of the timing of the restrainer.....lol!
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

 Quoting: Salt


you miss the entire point. these are New Testament scriptures. Jesus has already lived and fulfilled the law. keep them in the context that they should be.

The Wicked One, Lawless One, Man of sin is the one against JESUS, not the Torah.
 Quoting: Salt


aaahhhhhhhhhhh, therein lies our problem.

Jesus IS the torah, so if the man of sin is against Jesus, he is also by default against The Word.

And, fulfilled doesn't mean "end" it means He fulfilled it, he DID it, he did it completely and perfectly. And He taught US how to do it as well. So if we follow Him, we follow His loving instructions.

What ARE his loving instructions?
 Quoting: Shamar


His loving instructions are to recognize Jesus as the son of God and since... “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” (John 4:24)
 Quoting: abeliever


Is that it? Is that all He wants or expects from His people? Just recognize Jesus as the Son of God?

I think it is far, far more than that.

When Jesus came, He came teaching that the Kingdom of God was at hand.

If you are going to be a priest and a member of a holy nation, what are you going to do as a priest and member of His Kingdom?
 Quoting: Shamar


yes, Shamar, it is that simple. We are to believe, and to keep the commandments, but the most important commandment is to love.

when we do this, we are priests and saints.
the law has been fulfilled. it is finished.
let go of your legalism.
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there are 61 more books in the divine Holy Scripture. Jesus is the Word. The Torah is one fraction.
 Quoting: Salt


90% of the NT is an explanation of the OT.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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2 Thess: For the Day will not come until after the Apostasy has come and the man who separates himself from Torah has been revealed, the one destined for doom. 4 He will oppose himself to everything that people call a god or make an object of worship; he will put himself above them all, so that he will sit in the Temple of God and proclaim that he himself is God.[a]

5 Don’t you remember that when I was still with you, I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, so that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For already this separating from Torah is at work secretly, but it will be secretly only until he who is restraining is out of the way. 8 Then the one who embodies separation from Torah will be revealed, the one whom the Lord Yeshua will slay with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the glory of his coming.
9 When this man who avoids Torah comes, the Adversary will give him the power to work all kinds of false miracles, signs and wonders. 10 He will enable him to deceive, in all kinds of wicked ways, those who are headed for destruction because they would not receive the love of the truth that could have saved them. 11 This is why God is causing them to go astray, so that they will believe the Lie. 12 The result will be that all who have not believed the truth, but have taken their pleasure in wickedness, will be condemned.(complete jewish bible translation)

The red phrase refers to Isaiah 11:

he will be inspired by fearing Adonai.
He will not judge by what his eyes see
or decide by what his ears hear,
4 but he will judge the impoverished justly;
he will decide fairly for the humble of the land.
He will strike the land with a rod from his mouth
and slay the wicked with a breath from his lips.
5 Justice will be the belt around his waist,
faithfulness the sash around his hips.

The green part refers back to John 12:40 and Romans 1:24-28.

The rest of these verses refer back to Daniel 36:39.

36 “The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt himself and consider himself greater than any god, and he will utter monstrous blasphemies against the God of gods. He will prosper only until the period of wrath is over, for what has been determined must take place. 37 He will show no respect for the gods his ancestors worshipped, or for the god women worship — he won’t show respect for any god, because he will consider himself greater than all of them. 38 But instead, he will honor the god of strongholds; with gold, silver, precious stones and other costly things he will honor a god unknown to his ancestors. 39 He will deal with the strongest fortresses with the help of a foreign god. He will confer honor on those he acknowledges, causing them to rule over many and distributing land as a reward.

BUT

what I was looking at, was the timing of these things. It seems that culmination of events occurs at once one major event occurs:

Daniel 12:1 - When that time comes, Mikha’el, the great prince who champions your people, will stand up; and there will be a time of distress unparalleled between the time they became a nation and that moment. At that time, your people will be delivered, everyone whose name is found written in the book. 2 Many of those sleeping in the dust of the earth will awaken, some to everlasting life and some to everlasting shame and abhorrence. 3 But those who can discern will shine like the brightness of heaven’s dome, and those who turn many to righteousness like the stars forever and ever.

These are the people who "flee to the mountains" ... These are the ones spoken of here in Micah: “I will assemble all of you, Ya‘akov; I will gather the remnant of Isra’el, I will put them together like sheep in a pen, like a herd in its pasture — it will hum with the sounds of people.”

And here, in Jeremiah: Jer (YirmeYahu) 23:3-8: “Therefore I shall gather the remnant of My flock out of all the lands where I have driven them, and shall bring them back to their fold. And they shall bear and increase.

And I shall raise up shepherds over them, and they shall feed them. And they shall fear no more, nor be discouraged, nor shall they be lacking, declares Yahuah.

See, the days are coming,” declares Yahuah, “when I shall raise for Da’uḏa Branch of righteousness, and a Sovereign shall reign and act wisely, and shall do right-ruling and righteousness in the earth

In His days Yahudah shall be saved, and Yisrael dwell safely. And this is His Name whereby He shall be called: 'Yahuah is our Righteousness.’ (Transliterated in Hebrew: Yahuah Tsediqenu; this is Yahusha's "new Name")

Therefore, see, the days are coming,” declares Yahuah, “when they shall say no more, ‘As Yahuah lives who brought up the children of Yisrael out of the land of Mitsrayim,’

but, ‘As Yahuah lives who brought up and led the seed of the house of Yisrael out of the land of the north and from all the lands where I had driven them.’ And they shall dwell on their own soil.”

SO:

The judgment of the the regathering of His people, (Israel and those gentiles grafted into Israel, the waking of the dead to glory or shame, and the transitioning of those who are alive while this happens, all happen pretty much at the same time, and it does appear that Michael, the principality of His elect, is the restrainer of the revealing of the man of sin. However, I would say, not in his own timing, but the timing of the Most High. And, it looks to me (still) that the timing of all of this is just prior to the events fulfilled in the 7th seal.
 Quoting: Shamar


WOW. Never saw the restraining part til now. Thanks, Shamar!
God bless y'all.
hf
 Quoting: abeliever


hf
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

 Quoting: Salt


...


aaahhhhhhhhhhh, therein lies our problem.

Jesus IS the torah, so if the man of sin is against Jesus, he is also by default against The Word.

And, fulfilled doesn't mean "end" it means He fulfilled it, he DID it, he did it completely and perfectly. And He taught US how to do it as well. So if we follow Him, we follow His loving instructions.

What ARE his loving instructions?
 Quoting: Shamar


His loving instructions are to recognize Jesus as the son of God and since... “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” (John 4:24)
 Quoting: abeliever


Is that it? Is that all He wants or expects from His people? Just recognize Jesus as the Son of God?

I think it is far, far more than that.

When Jesus came, He came teaching that the Kingdom of God was at hand.

If you are going to be a priest and a member of a holy nation, what are you going to do as a priest and member of His Kingdom?
 Quoting: Shamar


yes, Shamar, it is that simple. We are to believe, and to keep the commandments, but the most important commandment is to love.

when we do this, we are priests and saints.
the law has been fulfilled. it is finished.
let go of your legalism.
 Quoting: Salt


What legalism do you speak of?

It is not yet finished, all has not been fulfilled? Heaven and earth are still here, right?

And what commandments do you keep? And what does "Keep" even mean?

Just questions I throw out to try to get people to think. and to not run with what we have all been taught all our lives.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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1. The antichrist will be a man - Daniel 7:24-25
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The Bible doesn't say the "little horn" is a man, but rather that it would have "eyes like the eyes of a man" (Daniel 7:8). When Paul used the expression, "the man of sin," in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, he was simply referring to the "little horn" with its "eyes like the eyes of a man." Yet that same horn is called a "beast" in Revelation 13:1, and the Bible clearly tells us that a beast represents a great kingdom (Daniel 7:23).
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What nine characteristics help us to identify the little horn power?

1. Location: out of the 4th beast and among the ten horns (v.8)

2. Timing: after the ten were established (v.8)

3. Uprooted three of the ten horns (v.8)

4. Eyes and mouth of a man (v.8)

5. Persecutes the saints (v.21, 25)

6. Different from the other ten horns (v.24)

7. Speak out against God (v.8, 11, 20, 25)

8. Little Horn attempts to change God’s times and laws (v.25)

9. Have power for a time, times, and half a time (or 1260 days) (v.25)

All fulfilled by Holy Rome after the fall of Pagan Rome.

answered here with charts:

[link to www.godssabbathtruth.com]

More here about the "falling away" from Bible truth at that time.

[link to www.who-is-the-antichrist.org]
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Re. the abomination of desolation:


It will not be a holograph......as many people even now understand that this can be made by humans.


No.....supernatural events will be taking place at the end........so that the false prophet (probably the pope).....will himself be able to bring fire down from heaven.

The fire is not man-made......as it says that he was granted this power......it is supernatural in nature.


The abomination will not be some man-made holograph.




The statue of the man of evil is placed there, set up, and seen standing in the holy place.


Then......supernatural power is granted to give BREATH to the image.........i.e. so that it comes alive.

Definitely not man made.


He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak AND


AND.....AND.....AND


"cause as many as would not worship the image to be killed."



This statue can talk........and also kill you.


Not a mere man-made picture.
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The reason so many people will follow the final man of evil will also be because a supernatural event is tied to him, namely, he will be a well know person from the past come back to life


or a current leader killed......who comes back to life.


The final 3.5 years will be full of events which people have never seen before.......supernatural in nature.



And yes.....the restrainer is Michael the archangel.....the one who stands guard over Israel. See Daniel Chp 12. In the end, he will stand up (stand still).....and no longer provide protection.


The man of evil will then attempt to extinguish Israel.....but God will protect a remnant supernaturally in the wilderness. (Rev 12)


God will defend His Holy Name, Word, and Promise made to Abraham for his act of faith and obedience. (Gen 22)


Satan will then go after the "offspring"......the Gentile Christians who have been grafted into the natural branch.


Rev. Chp 12

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