46 Prophecies the AntiChrist will fulfill | |
| Life and Love Live life fully! User ID: 2908838 09/19/2012 07:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | in my opinion, the best approach to reading the prophecies in OT in relation to revelation is both a historical and futurist one. Quoting: Salt the preterist approach and the preterist/historical approach has a million holes. I agree. And the prophecies should be read as part of the overall narrative. The test of character is how you're willing to treat someone when you are absolutely certain that you are right. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24001300 09/19/2012 08:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1. The antichrist will be a man - Daniel 7:24-25 Quoting: Salt 2. He will confirm a covenant for 7 years - Daniel 9:27 Now also, this does not mean that he creates this covenant. The word here for "confirm" is 1396 gabar (gaw-bar'); a primitive root; to be strong; by implication, to prevail, act insolently: KJV-- exceed, confirm, be great, be mighty, prevail, put to more [strength], strengthen, be stronger, be valiant. The antichrist will strengthen a covenant for a 7 year time span. Now this could be an existing covenant (like the Jerusalem Covenant) or a new covenant drawn up at that time. 3. He will rise among 10 kings - Daniel 7:8 This 10 nation union will be a revived Holy Roman Empire - Daniel 2:44 4. He will uproot 3 kings from the original 10 kings to gain political power - Daniel 7:8 5. His 10 nation union will merge into a world government which he will dominate - Revelations 13:1-2 Now this also, could refer to several things. First, the 10 nations could merge into an EXISTING world government, such as the U.N. Or it could for a new world government, much like the U.N. Or, this 10 nation confederation could be something like the new 10 nation common stock market. A union like this would definitely rule the world, without having a "seat" of power. Whoever controls the money, controls the globe. 6. He will ascend to power on a platform of peace. By peace, he will destroy many - Daniel 8:25 7. He will be promoted and exalted by a miracle working religious partner (false prophet) - Revelations 13:11-12 8. He was, and is not, and yet is - Revelations 17:8 More than likely this is referring to political power. The antichrist will have ruled, but then be taken out of power. Only to rise back up again to power as the head of the One World Government. 9. The world government over which he rules will be a red (communistic or socialistic) government - Revelations 17:14 10. The antichrist will be preceded by 7 kings or rulers. He will be the 8th king. He will also be "of" the 7 - Revelations 17:11 Now this scripture has many different ways it can be viewed. The word "goeth" in the scripture is 5217 hupago (hoop-ag'-o); from 5259 and 71; to lead (oneself) under, i.e. withdraw or retire (as if sinking out of sight), literally or figuratively: KJV-- depart, get hence, go (a-) way. So we see that he will withdraw or retire from sight. But will rise back up again to power. Now this could be taken as to mean 7 kings. Or this could be taken as 7 World Governments that have ruled. So far there have been 6. 1. Egypt. 2. Assyria. 3. Babylon. 4. Medo-Persia. 5. Greece. 6. Rome 11. He will have a mouth speaking great things. Very boastful - Daniel 7:8 12. His look will be more stout than his fellows - Daniel 7:20 The word "stout" means 7227 rab (rab); by contracted from 7231; abundant (in quantity, size, age, number, rank, quality): KJV-- (in) abound (-undance, -ant, -antly), captain, elder, enough, exceedingly, full, great (-ly, man, one), increase, long (enough, [time]), (do, have) many (-ifold, things, a time), ([ship-]) master, mighty, more, (too, very) much, multiply (-tude), officer, often [-times], plenteous, populous, prince, process [of time], suffice (-lent). So this can have several meanings. It could mean one of the following: the antichrist will be larger in size than everybody else, will be older than everybody else, will have more of a "following" than anybody else, is a higher military or political rank than anybody else, or is more qualified than anybody else. What ever this verse is speaking about, it is obvious when you look at him. 13. He will have a fierce countenance - Daniel 8:23 14. He will understand puzzling things - Daniel 8:23 15. He will cause craft to prosper - Daniel 8:25 It is interesting to note the definition of the word "craft" here. It is 4820 mirmah (meer-maw'); from 7411 in the sense of deceiving; fraud: KJV-- craft, deceit (-ful, -fully), false, feigned, guile, subtilly, treachery. No wonder, for the Bible says that he is the father of lies. So his policy or his success will make it possible for his deception of the world to prosper. God said that if you do not believe the truth, that he would send strong delusion that you should believe a lie. 16. He apparently assumes world dominating power 3 1/2 years after he confirms the covenant. He then will continue to reign for 42 months - Revelations 13:5 17. The Abomination of Desolation is the event that signals the beginning of this final 42 months - Daniel 9:27 It is interesting to note, that many scholars believe that at the Abomination of Desolation is when Revelations 12:7-10 occurs. At which point the Antichrist becomes "possessed" by Satan himself and then forces the Mark or death upon everybody. 18. He opposes God - 2 Thessalonians 2:4 19. He will speak marvelous things against the God of gods - Daniel 11:36 20. He will exalt himself above all that is called God - 2 Thessalonians 2:4 21. He will sit in the temple of God - 2 Thessalonians 2:4 22. He will claim to be God (or an incarnation of God) - 2 Thessalonians 2:4 23. He will take away the daily sacrifices from the temple - Daniel 11:31 50% rule observed - for the remaining 23 prophecies: [link to www.raptureme.com] AND YOUR ANTI'CHRIST IS: BINGO BELOW...... HE FITS EVERY DESCRIPTION ABOVE......ALL OF THEM.... |
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| Axx User ID: 23970153 09/19/2012 09:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | in my opinion, the best approach to reading the prophecies in OT in relation to revelation is both a historical and futurist one. Quoting: Salt the preterist approach and the preterist/historical approach has a million holes. The hole is in the Futurist theology already posted twice and ignored both times. Prove there is a 2000 year "gap" in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9:24-27. There is no gap. The gap is a new theology called Futurism. There is no 7 year endtime tribulation. The 70 weeks were fulfilled 2000 years ago; 490 years ended. |
Salt (OP)Forum Moderator User ID: 21291600 09/19/2012 09:04 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | in my opinion, the best approach to reading the prophecies in OT in relation to revelation is both a historical and futurist one. Quoting: Salt the preterist approach and the preterist/historical approach has a million holes. The hole is in the Futurist theology already posted twice and ignored both times. Prove there is a 2000 year "gap" in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9:24-27. There is no gap. The gap is a new theology called Futurism. There is no 7 year endtime tribulation. The 70 weeks were fulfilled 2000 years ago; 490 years ended. i don't think there is any gap, if there is it is short. i am a historist and futurist both Last Edited by Salt on 09/19/2012 09:08 PM "The only religion that God the Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being ensnared by the world." --James 1:27 -- “Read everything, listen to everybody, don’t trust anything unless you can prove it with your own research” --William Cooper --- He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To seek justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God. --Michah 6:8 |
| Shamar User ID: 1479302 09/19/2012 09:04 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes,,,,,,I was referring to the Millenium.....after Daniel's 70th week. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24082184 I have been responding on a few posts above to a poster by the name of Brogan.....who asked me a few questions on P. 10 I know, I was butting in. I couldn't tell by your post that you were referring to the millenium....... Azazel hunter ~ Ephesians 6:12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 17Take also the helmet of deliverance, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of Elohim. * Deut. 33:25 Iron and brass shall be thy bars; and as thy days, so shall thy strength be. * Nima Miriam Shamar ba't Asher |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24082184 09/19/2012 09:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I find it interesting that the Illinois lottery number was 666 when the presidential vote was finished......and also how the name is translated in Hebrew, Aramaic, etc. [link to newine.wordpress.com] |
Salt (OP)Forum Moderator User ID: 21291600 09/19/2012 09:07 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: TRUMPET SOUNDS - The Order of Revelation's 21 Plages. Things won't go down consecutively as it's written. Daniel’s Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks (Daniel 9:24-27) 24 "Seventy `sevens' are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy. 25 Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven `sevens,' and sixty-two `sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two `sevens,' the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one `seven.' In the middle of the `seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing [of the temple] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him." NIV This prophecy is the most important prophecy in the Bible because it gives specific timetables for the two comings of the Messiah. The First Coming occurred exactly 483 years after "the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem," and the Second Coming will occur exactly seven years after the "ruler who will come" confirms "a covenant with many." From the context of this prophecy, as well as other prophecies from Daniel, Paul, Jesus and Revelation, we know that this covenant, or treaty, will be one that concerns Israel and the rebuilding of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem. The Second Coming will occur exactly seven years after this treaty is made, and this seven year period is the timeline upon which the events of Revelation are played out. Prior to this final seven year period Jesus will rescue His faithful believers in an event that has come to be called The Rapture. This is the event that cannot be predicted because "no one knows the day or the hour." This is an intriguing subject on it's own, particularly because New Age occultic trance-channelers are making the same predictions. However they say that the bad guys will be taken and the good guys will be left to enter the New Age, which is exactly opposite to the biblical view. To research this subject further please go here. The Seventy Weeks of Daniel do several important things. First, they completely demolish the growing belief that Jesus of Nazareth never claimed to be the Messiah. Of course he claimed to be the Messiah! Riding into Jerusalem on the back of a donkey and encouraging the crowd to embrace Him as their King was entirely messianic. Second, the fact that Jesus entered Jerusalem on the very specific day that was predicted by Daniel is proof that Jesus not only claimed that He was the Messiah, but he in fact was and is the Messiah, the Saviour of the human race. Third, the fact that there is a final week, a final seven year period that is unfulfilled in Daniel's prophecy, helps to illuminate the context of the catastrophic judgements that will befall the earth as predicted in Revelation. This final seven year period is divided precisely in half by an event known as the Abomination of Desolation. It is predicted by Daniel and also by Jesus in Matthew 24:15-21. Jesus refers to Daniel and says that when the Abomination is set up the world would experience the worst time of trouble that it has ever seen. The words of Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and the predictions in Revelation 13 combine with the words of Jesus and Daniel to make it clear that the Abomination of Desolation will be an image, or an idol of the Antichrist, which will be set up in the Holy Place of a rebuilt Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. The setting up of the Abomination divides the final seven year period into two halves of exactly three and a half years each. These time periods are referred to throughout Daniel and Revelation as either "a time, times and half a time," "42 months," or "1260 days." From these references we know that the prophetic year of the bible is exactly 360 days long, and that Jesus Christ will return exactly 2,520 days (7 x 360) after the final seven year period begins. [link to www.redmoonrising.com] "The only religion that God the Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being ensnared by the world." --James 1:27 -- “Read everything, listen to everybody, don’t trust anything unless you can prove it with your own research” --William Cooper --- He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To seek justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God. --Michah 6:8 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24082184 09/19/2012 09:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | in my opinion, the best approach to reading the prophecies in OT in relation to revelation is both a historical and futurist one. Quoting: Salt the preterist approach and the preterist/historical approach has a million holes. The hole is in the Futurist theology already posted twice and ignored both times. Prove there is a 2000 year "gap" in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9:24-27. ************************************************* FOR ONE THING, DANIEL CHAPTER 12 IS CLEARLY TALKING ABOUT THE END TIMES, INCLUDING BOTH THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD AND A TIME OF TROUBLE THAT THE WORLD HAS NEVER SEEN......THAT IT WILL LAST 3.5 YEARS.....THAT THE DAILY SACRIFICE WILL BE STOPPED.....THAT THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION WILL BE SET UP. IF YOU CAN PROVE THAT THE RESURRECTION HAS ALREADY OCCURRED......THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO.....THEN GO RIGHT AHEAD.....GIVE IT A WHIRL. ************************************************************ There is no gap. The gap is a new theology called Futurism. There is no 7 year endtime tribulation. The 70 weeks were fulfilled 2000 years ago; 490 years ended. |
| T Ceti H.C. Radnarg User ID: 23937472 09/19/2012 09:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | zero's are added and left off of numbers in religious text..its for a reason,psssssssssst its called dogma-n training the masses while the secret societies that wrote the bible of metaphors and know the code can rule the masses with fear and superstition.. How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24082184 09/19/2012 09:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes,,,,,,I was referring to the Millenium.....after Daniel's 70th week. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24082184 I have been responding on a few posts above to a poster by the name of Brogan.....who asked me a few questions on P. 10 I know, I was butting in. I couldn't tell by your post that you were referring to the millenium....... Oh Ok.....sorry about the mixup. |
| T Ceti H.C. Radnarg User ID: 23937472 09/19/2012 09:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I find it interesting that the Illinois lottery number was 666 when the presidential vote was finished......and also how the name is translated in Hebrew, Aramaic, etc. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24082184 [link to newine.wordpress.com] Last Edited by T Ceti H.C. Radnarg on 09/19/2012 09:22 PM How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries... |
| T Ceti H.C. Radnarg User ID: 23937472 09/19/2012 09:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes,,,,,,I was referring to the Millenium.....after Daniel's 70th week. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24082184 I have been responding on a few posts above to a poster by the name of Brogan.....who asked me a few questions on P. 10 I know, I was butting in. I couldn't tell by your post that you were referring to the millenium....... How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries... |
| Shamar User ID: 1479302 09/19/2012 09:25 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I love Peter Goodgame......he has so much insight. The only problem is that he, like most others, work off of corrupted texts. AheYah never wanted a house built with hands...He has always wanted His house to be built within US. So any prophecies structured around the building of any third/fourth temple, must be considered in that spectrum. Azazel hunter ~ Ephesians 6:12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 17Take also the helmet of deliverance, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of Elohim. * Deut. 33:25 Iron and brass shall be thy bars; and as thy days, so shall thy strength be. * Nima Miriam Shamar ba't Asher |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24082184 09/19/2012 09:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To my knowledge......we have never before had a loaf of bread costing a day's wages.....on a worldwide basis. However......with being on the verge of a worldwide collapse in the fiat currency system......and crop failures everywhere.......heads up for the 3rd Seal of Revelation. This is combination with Israel being brought back to it's original homeland...... (for hundreds of years.....no one thought that this prophecy was possible.) Well.....do the math. |
Salt (OP)Forum Moderator User ID: 21291600 09/19/2012 09:49 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To my knowledge......we have never before had a loaf of bread costing a day's wages.....on a worldwide basis. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24082184 However......with being on the verge of a worldwide collapse in the fiat currency system......and crop failures everywhere.......heads up for the 3rd Seal of Revelation. This is combination with Israel being brought back to it's original homeland...... (for hundreds of years.....no one thought that this prophecy was possible.) Well.....do the math. excellent point. we are on our way to that tho. and with the quickness. "The only religion that God the Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being ensnared by the world." --James 1:27 -- “Read everything, listen to everybody, don’t trust anything unless you can prove it with your own research” --William Cooper --- He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To seek justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God. --Michah 6:8 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24082184 09/19/2012 10:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks OP for the post above re. the 70 weeks. I might add a few things as well. Israel had been sent into captivitiy for repeated past trangressions.....including worshipping foreign gods......and even sacrificing their children to them. After a period of time in captivity, Daniel began to intercede on behalf of the people......confessing the sin of Israel....asking forgiveness......how long God would hide His face from Israel......and how long the punishment would last. Daniel Chp 9. The answer was the 70 weeks prophecy "Seventy weeks are determined for your people (Israel)...... (Intended specifically for Israel......although naturally others in the world would be affected) ....."to finish the transgression ....."to make reconcilliation for iniquity." And so Daniel received the answer.....how long the punishment would last.....to make reconcilliation for iniquity. 69 weeks of biblical years brings you to the time when Israel rejected their Messiah.....and killed Him. Had they instead received Him......the 70 weeks of years would have been completed around 39 AD. Instead.....they rejected Him.....and thus the last week was postponed. The relationship between God and Israel was not restored. God continued to hide His face from Israel (and does so even today). Thus Israel was shortly thereafter butchered by the Romans......and scattered about the world....without a homeland. It is not until after the final week....and Messiah returns as King......that the relationship will be restored......and God will put His Spirit inside the people of Israel. (Ezek Chps 34---39). |
| Axx User ID: 23970153 09/19/2012 10:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | in my opinion, the best approach to reading the prophecies in OT in relation to revelation is both a historical and futurist one. Quoting: Salt the preterist approach and the preterist/historical approach has a million holes. The hole is in the Futurist theology already posted twice and ignored both times. Prove there is a 2000 year "gap" in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9:24-27. ********************************* FOR ONE THING, DANIEL CHAPTER 12 IS CLEARLY TALKING ABOUT THE END TIMES, INCLUDING BOTH THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD AND A TIME OF TROUBLE THAT THE WORLD HAS NEVER SEEN......THAT IT WILL LAST 3.5 YEARS.....THAT THE DAILY SACRIFICE WILL BE STOPPED.....THAT THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION WILL BE SET UP. IF YOU CAN PROVE THAT THE RESURRECTION HAS ALREADY OCCURRED......THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO.....THEN GO RIGHT AHEAD.....GIVE IT A WHIRL. ********************************* There is no gap. The gap is a new theology called Futurism. There is no 7 year endtime tribulation. The 70 weeks were fulfilled 2000 years ago; 490 years ended. The 3.5 year period first found in Dn 7 then 12 and the 42 months of Rev 11 & 13 are all one and the same and do not come from Dn 9's 70 weeks that were 490 years ending at the time of Jesus. The "times time and a half" of Dn 7 & 12 we also find in Rev 11 & 13 as 42 months and 1260 days. The day-year principle always applies to prophetic time as we find other symbolism of the "beast" and "horns". Dn 7 the beast Roman empire fell in 476 AD into ten nations as the "little horn" Vatican City arose to power that ruled for 1260 years during those dark ages. This is found throughout Bible commentaries before the year 1900 and is nothing new. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24082184 09/19/2012 10:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bear in mind also that there is nothing inherently good about the jewish people......but God will do this to defend His Holy Name.....and promise made to Abraham......for his act of faith and obedience (Gen 22) The faith and actions of single individuals are very, very important to God. Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was SORRY that He had made man on the earth, and He was GRIEVED in His heart, So the Lord said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man, and beast, and creeping thing and birds of the air, for I AM SORRY THAT I HAVE MADE THEM." But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. |
| Axx User ID: 23970153 09/19/2012 10:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Daniel’s Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks (Daniel 9:24-27) Quoting: Salt This prophecy is the most important prophecy in the Bible because it gives specific timetables for the two comings of the Messiah. The First Coming occurred exactly 483 years after "the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem," and the Second Coming will occur exactly seven years after the "ruler who will come" confirms "a covenant with many." From the context of this prophecy, as well as other prophecies from Daniel, Paul, Jesus and Revelation, we know that this covenant, or treaty, will be one that concerns Israel and the rebuilding of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem. The Second Coming will occur exactly seven years after this treaty is made, and this seven year period is the timeline upon which the events of Revelation are played out. Prior to this final seven year period Jesus will rescue His faithful believers in an event that has come to be called The Rapture. This is the event that cannot be predicted because "no one knows the day or the hour." This is an intriguing subject on it's own, particularly because New Age occultic trance-channelers are making the same predictions. However they say that the bad guys will be taken and the good guys will be left to enter the New Age, which is exactly opposite to the biblical view. To research this subject further please go here. The Seventy Weeks of Daniel do several important things. First, they completely demolish the growing belief that Jesus of Nazareth never claimed to be the Messiah. Of course he claimed to be the Messiah! Riding into Jerusalem on the back of a donkey and encouraging the crowd to embrace Him as their King was entirely messianic. Second, the fact that Jesus entered Jerusalem on the very specific day that was predicted by Daniel is proof that Jesus not only claimed that He was the Messiah, but he in fact was and is the Messiah, the Saviour of the human race. Third, the fact that there is a final week, a final seven year period that is unfulfilled in Daniel's prophecy, helps to illuminate the context of the catastrophic judgements that will befall the earth as predicted in Revelation. This final seven year period is divided precisely in half by an event known as the Abomination of Desolation. It is predicted by Daniel and also by Jesus in Matthew 24:15-21. Jesus refers to Daniel and says that when the Abomination is set up the world would experience the worst time of trouble that it has ever seen. The words of Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and the predictions in Revelation 13 combine with the words of Jesus and Daniel to make it clear that the Abomination of Desolation will be an image, or an idol of the Antichrist, which will be set up in the Holy Place of a rebuilt Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. The setting up of the Abomination divides the final seven year period into two halves of exactly three and a half years each. These time periods are referred to throughout Daniel and Revelation as either "a time, times and half a time," "42 months," or "1260 days." From these references we know that the prophetic year of the bible is exactly 360 days long, and that Jesus Christ will return exactly 2,520 days (7 x 360) after the final seven year period begins. [link to www.redmoonrising.com] 490 years were finished 2000 years ago. There is no gap pushing 7 years into the future. The 42 months of Rev 11 & 13 come from Dn 7, not Dn 9. - 1260 days Dn.7:25 = time, times and a half (1260) Dn.12:7 = time, times and a half (1260) Rv.11:2 = 42 months (1260) Rv.11:3 = 1260 days Rv.12:6 = 1260 days Rv.12:14 = time, times and a half (1260) Rv.13:5 = 42 months (1260) All these are the same 1260 period of history. The lunar calender year is 360 days. 360, time 720, times 180, half 1260 - Total Daniel 9's 70 weeks or 490 days is widely understood to be actually 490 years. day-year principle [link to en.wikipedia.org] Prophetic time is always day = year. The 1260 years has been identified when the Rome Empire fell (476) and 'holy' Rome took over from 538 to 1798 when Napoleon ended the Papal States. [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to farm4.staticflickr.com] The ten kingdoms after the fall of Rome [link to www.historicism.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24082184 09/19/2012 10:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dn 7 the beast Roman empire fell in 476 AD into ten nations as the "little horn" Vatican City arose to power that ruled for 1260 years during those dark ages. *********************************************** Prove the above statement........using Scripture only.....no outside sources allowed. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24082184 09/19/2012 10:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is absolutely no evidence that God restored His covenant relationship with Israel in the year 39AD.......and that the 70 weeks were complete.....with full resititution and reconcilliation being completed. This is why Christ weeped over them.....because He saw what was coming......total destruction by the Romans shortly thereafter. The relationship will not be restored until Christ returns as King......and David as prince in Jerusalem.....at the end of the 70th week.....and the beginning of the Millenial Kingdom. At that time.......full pardon.....God will put His Spirit inside the remnant of Israel. (Ezek Chps 34---39) |
| Axx User ID: 23970153 09/19/2012 10:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dn 7 the beast Roman empire fell in 476 AD into ten nations as the "little horn" Vatican City arose to power that ruled for 1260 years during those dark ages. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24082184 *************************** Prove the above statement........using Scripture only.....no outside sources allowed. The Bible is confirmed with historic fulfillment. I'll use every source I feel like using. And stop stretching with*** all the pages. The Roman Empire is first found in Dn 2, then given in another vision in chapters 7 & 8. Thus the fourth beast of Dn 7 has been the Roman Empire. The passage tells how: 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and broke in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. - We see here the beast had ten horns. Horns are symbolic of kings, and kings rule over nations. - 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom on earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. The key to identify where in history all this takes place is given in two ways, the Roman Empire and the 1260 years. Then after the fall of Rome's empire into these ten nations the Vatican did form and cause three nations to go extinct by 538 AD. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24082184 09/19/2012 10:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The man of evil will try to destroy all of Israel and her offspring (the Gentile Christians).....during the final 3.5 years. The time of punishment (the full 70 weeks)......is not over until after this time of severe persecution. See Rev. Chp 12 God will preserve a remnant of Israel supernaturally in the wilderness......and also those Christians walking closely in faith with Him. He will preserve a remnant of Israel to defend His Holy Name.....and promise made to Abraham for his act of faith and obedience (Gen 22). Christians take note: Psalm 27:5 Psalm 31: 20 Psalm 91 |
| Axx User ID: 23970153 09/19/2012 10:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is absolutely no evidence that God restored His covenant relationship with Israel in the year 39AD.......and that the 70 weeks were complete.....with full resititution and reconcilliation being completed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24082184 Yes there is! The Gospel went to all the world as physical Israel was broken off for disobedience. Exodus 19:5, God said to Israel, "If you will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then you shall be a peculiar treasure to me above all people: for all the earth is mine." Thus the OT physical Israel of twelve tribes being "a peculiar treasure … above all people" was conditional upon their obedience to God's voice. 2 Kings 21:8 Neither will I make the feet of Israel move any more out of the land which I gave their fathers; only if they will observe to do according to all that I have commanded them, and according to all the law that my servant Moses commanded them. Mat.21:43 Therefore say I to you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. Mat.23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you that kill the prophets, and stone them which are sent unto you, how often would I have gathered my children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and you would not! Behold, your house is left to you desolate. John 4:22,23 You worship you know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the jewish people. But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him. John 15:5 I am the vine, you are the branches: He that stays in me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing. Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you jewish people: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. Acts 18:5,6 Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the jewish people that Jesus was Christ. And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean; from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles. Acts 22:19-21 And I said, Lord, they know that I imprisoned and beat in every synagogue them that believed on thee: And when the blood of thy martyr Stephen was shed, I also was standing by, and consenting unto his death, and kept the raiment of them that slew him. And he said unto me, Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles. Ro.2:17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God.....25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. 26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? 27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Ro.9:6,7 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. Two Israels 1 Cor 10:18 Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar? Gal.3:7 Know you therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. Gal.3:16,28,29 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.....There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you be Christ's, then are you Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Gal.6:15,16 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision avails any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and on the Israel of God. Phil.3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. 1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that you should show forth the praises of him who has called you out of darkness into his marvelous light; Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24082184 09/19/2012 10:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Axx I am sorry....but I cannot agree with you about Daniel: 7: 23-25 So lets just have different opinions about the subject. In my opinion, this is the kingdom that is ruling the world during the end times when the final man of evil comes on the scene. This is included in the context. In my opinion, the 4th kingdom is different from all previous kingdoms becuase the rulers are not visible to the public. Since the time of the French Revolution, the banking families have been progressively gobbling up the whole earth. They are of ONE MIND....united in purpose. When the man of evil comes on the scene....returning from the dead....they will proclaim "who can make war with him." They will give their power and authority to him in exchange for rulership over the world with him as visible kings. Daniel 7: 23-25 Rev 17: 8-17 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24082184 09/19/2012 11:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Gospel went to all the world as physical Israel was broken off for disobedience. ******************************* True..........salvation did come to the Gentiles.....no doubt about it. However......God made a promise to Abraham......and will preserve a remant of Israel......and will put His Spirit inside those of Israel who survive the final seven years. Ezek Chps 34---39 Christ will be King over the earth.......and David will be prince over his people Israel in Jerusalem. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24082184 09/19/2012 11:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The abomination of desolation is a statue made in the likeness of the man of evil.....that is able to talk. Rev. 13: 11-18 It is: Set up.........Daniel 12: 11 Placed there.....Daniel 11: 31 Seen standing.....Mt 24: 15 Christ's instructions: leave everything behind.....and flee to the mountains/wilderness. (Mt 24) We all need to work on building our faith in advance.....to take the first step. God will take care of you in the wilderness.......like He did with Israel when they fled Egypt. Let Him fight the battle for you. David did much against Goliath.....with a small rock. |
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