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46 Prophecies the AntiChrist will fulfill

 
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His loving instructions are to recognize Jesus as the son of God and since... “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” (John 4:24)
 Quoting: abeliever


Is that it? Is that all He wants or expects from His people? Just recognize Jesus as the Son of God?

I think it is far, far more than that.

When Jesus came, He came teaching that the Kingdom of God was at hand.

If you are going to be a priest and a member of a holy nation, what are you going to do as a priest and member of His Kingdom?
 Quoting: Shamar


yes, Shamar, it is that simple. We are to believe, and to keep the commandments, but the most important commandment is to love.

when we do this, we are priests and saints.
the law has been fulfilled. it is finished.
let go of your legalism.
 Quoting: Salt


What legalism do you speak of?

It is not yet finished, all has not been fulfilled? Heaven and earth are still here, right?

And what commandments do you keep? And what does "Keep" even mean?

Just questions I throw out to try to get people to think. and to not run with what we have all been taught all our lives.
 Quoting: Shamar


it IS finished. everything happening now is just the tumbling down to the final act. but, do not think for one second that it is not finished. When Jesus died on the cross, he said "it is FINISHED/ACCOMPLISHED"

the only thing left to do is live as an example of Christ because the believers are the church, and to love your neighbor as yourself, all day, every day.

i keep (am obedient) to all of the commandments. and when i fail at something, i repent, ask forgiveness and confess.
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it IS finished. everything happening now is just the tumbling down to the final act. but, do not think for one second that it is not finished. When Jesus died on the cross, he said "it is FINISHED/ACCOMPLISHED"

the only thing left to do is live as an example of Christ because the believers are the church, and to love your neighbor as yourself, all day, every day.

i keep (am obedient) to all of the commandments. and when i fail at something, i repent, ask forgiveness and confess.
 Quoting: Salt


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Is that it? Is that all He wants or expects from His people? Just recognize Jesus as the Son of God?

I think it is far, far more than that.

When Jesus came, He came teaching that the Kingdom of God was at hand.

If you are going to be a priest and a member of a holy nation, what are you going to do as a priest and member of His Kingdom?
 Quoting: Shamar


yes, Shamar, it is that simple. We are to believe, and to keep the commandments, but the most important commandment is to love.

when we do this, we are priests and saints.
the law has been fulfilled. it is finished.
let go of your legalism.
 Quoting: Salt


What legalism do you speak of?

It is not yet finished, all has not been fulfilled? Heaven and earth are still here, right?

And what commandments do you keep? And what does "Keep" even mean?

Just questions I throw out to try to get people to think. and to not run with what we have all been taught all our lives.
 Quoting: Shamar


it IS finished. everything happening now is just the tumbling down to the final act. but, do not think for one second that it is not finished. When Jesus died on the cross, he said "it is FINISHED/ACCOMPLISHED"

the only thing left to do is live as an example of Christ because the believers are the church, and to love your neighbor as yourself, all day, every day.

i keep (am obedient) to all of the commandments. and when i fail at something, i repent, ask forgiveness and confess.
 Quoting: Salt


Well, that is good! christianity has a lot of things that ARE right. But, I was hoping for an answer as to what the commands are. Some say the 10 words, or the ten commandments mentioned in Exodus. Others believe there is more. Still others believe there are less.

So how do we know?

But i still disagree that all is finished -- there is still much to happen!

Jesus said: 18 Yes indeed! I tell you that until heaven and earth pass away, not so much as a yud or a stroke will pass from the Torah — not until everything that must happen has happened.

If it was finished when He died, then why the importance that He rose? Shouldn't he have said it is finished as He ascended to the Father? No, it's not finished yet. we are still living in a shadow of things to come. Hebrews 8:13 13 By using the term, “new,” he has made the first covenant “old”; and something being made old, something in the process of aging, is on its way to vanishing altogether.

Old here, meaning a shadow.
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people seem to really struggle with the simplicity and the beauty of living under grace. usually people who are still living under the legalism from the pharisees under the old law.

we are under grace. period end of sentence.

there is no atoning for our own sin. it is finished.
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people seem to really struggle with the simplicity and the beauty of living under grace. usually people who are still living under the legalism from the pharisees under the old law.

we are under grace. period end of sentence.

there is no atoning for our own sin. it is finished.
 Quoting: Salt


scripture please? And if you don't mind....words other than Paul. Because if you ONLY rely on Paul, you are dismissing the red letter words.
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people seem to really struggle with the simplicity and the beauty of living under grace. usually people who are still living under the legalism from the pharisees under the old law.

we are under grace. period end of sentence.

there is no atoning for our own sin. it is finished.
 Quoting: Salt


scripture please? And if you don't mind....words other than Paul. Because if you ONLY rely on Paul, you are dismissing the red letter words.
 Quoting: Shamar


oh you are one of those...
Paul is a pivotal piece to the foundation of the early church.
there is no one scripture that encapsulates the essence. it is the entire book from cover to cover that brings this understanding. it starts in genesis...
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people seem to really struggle with the simplicity and the beauty of living under grace. usually people who are still living under the legalism from the pharisees under the old law.

we are under grace. period end of sentence.

there is no atoning for our own sin. it is finished.
 Quoting: Salt


scripture please? And if you don't mind....words other than Paul. Because if you ONLY rely on Paul, you are dismissing the red letter words.
 Quoting: Shamar


oh you are one of those...
Paul is a pivotal piece to the foundation of the early church.
there is no one scripture that encapsulates the essence. it is the entire book from cover to cover that brings this understanding. it starts in genesis...
 Quoting: Salt


So Paul's words trump the Messiah's?

I have an understanding of Genesis through Revelations, although it seems that christians have a different understanding.

Let me ask you this.

Did Jesus come to negate the words and commands of his father? did he change the rules? Did he create or call a different people?

Does God (the Father) change? or does he just change his mind? Or does he just change the rules as he goes along through humanity?
Love is like light. It is never constrained to its source; it shines on everything and tends to spread spontaneously, unless we block it! ~ Cosmic Swami
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people seem to really struggle with the simplicity and the beauty of living under grace. usually people who are still living under the legalism from the pharisees under the old law.

we are under grace. period end of sentence.

there is no atoning for our own sin. it is finished.
 Quoting: Salt


scripture please? And if you don't mind....words other than Paul. Because if you ONLY rely on Paul, you are dismissing the red letter words.
 Quoting: Shamar


oh you are one of those...
Paul is a pivotal piece to the foundation of the early church.
there is no one scripture that encapsulates the essence. it is the entire book from cover to cover that brings this understanding. it starts in genesis...
 Quoting: Salt


So Paul's words trump the Messiah's?

I have an understanding of Genesis through Revelations, although it seems that christians have a different understanding.

Let me ask you this.

Did Jesus come to negate the words and commands of his father? did he change the rules? Did he create or call a different people?

Does God (the Father) change? or does he just change his mind? Or does he just change the rules as he goes along through humanity?
 Quoting: Shamar


Am I missing something or are you not a Christian?

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scripture please? And if you don't mind....words other than Paul. Because if you ONLY rely on Paul, you are dismissing the red letter words.
 Quoting: Shamar


oh you are one of those...
Paul is a pivotal piece to the foundation of the early church.
there is no one scripture that encapsulates the essence. it is the entire book from cover to cover that brings this understanding. it starts in genesis...
 Quoting: Salt


So Paul's words trump the Messiah's?

I have an understanding of Genesis through Revelations, although it seems that christians have a different understanding.

Let me ask you this.

Did Jesus come to negate the words and commands of his father? did he change the rules? Did he create or call a different people?

Does God (the Father) change? or does he just change his mind? Or does he just change the rules as he goes along through humanity?
 Quoting: Shamar


Am I missing something or are you not a Christian?
 Quoting: Life and Love


I am not a christian; I am an Isrealite. hf
Love is like light. It is never constrained to its source; it shines on everything and tends to spread spontaneously, unless we block it! ~ Cosmic Swami
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oh you are one of those...
Paul is a pivotal piece to the foundation of the early church.
there is no one scripture that encapsulates the essence. it is the entire book from cover to cover that brings this understanding. it starts in genesis...
 Quoting: Salt


So Paul's words trump the Messiah's?

I have an understanding of Genesis through Revelations, although it seems that christians have a different understanding.

Let me ask you this.

Did Jesus come to negate the words and commands of his father? did he change the rules? Did he create or call a different people?

Does God (the Father) change? or does he just change his mind? Or does he just change the rules as he goes along through humanity?
 Quoting: Shamar


Am I missing something or are you not a Christian?
 Quoting: Life and Love


I am not a christian; I am an Isrealite. hf
 Quoting: Shamar


That explains a lot! I'll bow out and leave you to your religion.

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oh you are one of those...
Paul is a pivotal piece to the foundation of the early church.
there is no one scripture that encapsulates the essence. it is the entire book from cover to cover that brings this understanding. it starts in genesis...
 Quoting: Salt


So Paul's words trump the Messiah's?

I have an understanding of Genesis through Revelations, although it seems that christians have a different understanding.

Let me ask you this.

Did Jesus come to negate the words and commands of his father? did he change the rules? Did he create or call a different people?

Does God (the Father) change? or does he just change his mind? Or does he just change the rules as he goes along through humanity?
 Quoting: Shamar


Am I missing something or are you not a Christian?
 Quoting: Life and Love


I am not a christian; I am an Isrealite. hf
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yep, and it shows. blaringly.
you got a stranglehold on the Torah but negate the entire reason for Christ coming here and doing what He did.
typical.
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Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.


Most reading here don't know, and don't care, what His name is.

You can all bow out........but, the days are coming soon, when this will all come back to you......

God is NOT his name. Jesus is NOT his name, though He knows our hearts.

Pay attention to the red letter words...........not so much to Paul's, but the Messiah's words. Love is key.......following His commands comes next.


hf
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So Paul's words trump the Messiah's?

I have an understanding of Genesis through Revelations, although it seems that christians have a different understanding.

Let me ask you this.

Did Jesus come to negate the words and commands of his father? did he change the rules? Did he create or call a different people?

Does God (the Father) change? or does he just change his mind? Or does he just change the rules as he goes along through humanity?
 Quoting: Shamar


Am I missing something or are you not a Christian?
 Quoting: Life and Love


I am not a christian; I am an Isrealite. hf
 Quoting: Shamar


yep, and it shows. blaringly.
you got a stranglehold on the Torah but negate the entire reason for Christ coming here and doing what He did.
typical.
 Quoting: Salt


Salt!! Being an Israelite is a BAD thing????????????
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So Paul's words trump the Messiah's?

I have an understanding of Genesis through Revelations, although it seems that christians have a different understanding.

Let me ask you this.

Did Jesus come to negate the words and commands of his father? did he change the rules? Did he create or call a different people?

Does God (the Father) change? or does he just change his mind? Or does he just change the rules as he goes along through humanity?
 Quoting: Shamar


Am I missing something or are you not a Christian?
 Quoting: Life and Love


I am not a christian; I am an Isrealite. hf
 Quoting: Shamar


That explains a lot! I'll bow out and leave you to your religion.

hf
 Quoting: Life and Love


Life and Love.....being an Israelite is a BAD thing??????????????

can you expound please?
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Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.


Most reading here don't know, and don't care, what His name is.

You can all bow out........but, the days are coming soon, when this will all come back to you......

God is NOT his name. Jesus is NOT his name, though He knows our hearts.

Pay attention to the red letter words...........not so much to Paul's, but the Messiah's words. Love is key.......following His commands comes next.


hf
 Quoting: Shamar


Blessings to you, Shamar. I only "bow out" as you call it because the day to have a conversation with you seems to be in the future.

hf
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Am I missing something or are you not a Christian?
 Quoting: Life and Love


I am not a christian; I am an Isrealite. hf
 Quoting: Shamar


That explains a lot! I'll bow out and leave you to your religion.

hf
 Quoting: Life and Love


Life and Love.....being an Israelite is a BAD thing??????????????

can you expound please?
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I didn't say it was bad. I just said it explains a lot.
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Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.


Most reading here don't know, and don't care, what His name is.

You can all bow out........but, the days are coming soon, when this will all come back to you......

God is NOT his name. Jesus is NOT his name, though He knows our hearts.

Pay attention to the red letter words...........not so much to Paul's, but the Messiah's words. Love is key.......following His commands comes next.


hf
 Quoting: Shamar


Blessings to you, Shamar. I only "bow out" as you call it because the day to have a conversation with you seems to be in the future.

hf
 Quoting: Life and Love


I said "bow out" because those were your own words. no, I am here for conversation.....I just know how hard it is for christians to hear the message.
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I am not a christian; I am an Isrealite. hf
 Quoting: Shamar


That explains a lot! I'll bow out and leave you to your religion.

hf
 Quoting: Life and Love


Life and Love.....being an Israelite is a BAD thing??????????????

can you expound please?
 Quoting: Shamar


I didn't say it was bad. I just said it explains a lot.
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this
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I am not a christian; I am an Isrealite. hf
 Quoting: Shamar


That explains a lot! I'll bow out and leave you to your religion.

hf
 Quoting: Life and Love


Life and Love.....being an Israelite is a BAD thing??????????????

can you expound please?
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I didn't say it was bad. I just said it explains a lot.
 Quoting: Life and Love


ok.....well if you have an open mind and heart.....let's continue! I will back up scripturally everything. Which I have already, but it seems to have gotten lost in the mix......
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Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.


Most reading here don't know, and don't care, what His name is.

You can all bow out........but, the days are coming soon, when this will all come back to you......

God is NOT his name. Jesus is NOT his name, though He knows our hearts.

Pay attention to the red letter words...........not so much to Paul's, but the Messiah's words. Love is key.......following His commands comes next.


hf
 Quoting: Shamar


Blessings to you, Shamar. I only "bow out" as you call it because the day to have a conversation with you seems to be in the future.

hf
 Quoting: Life and Love


I said "bow out" because those were your own words. no, I am here for conversation.....I just know how hard it is for christians to hear the message.
 Quoting: Shamar


i hate to take this thread in a new direction.
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That explains a lot! I'll bow out and leave you to your religion.

hf
 Quoting: Life and Love


Life and Love.....being an Israelite is a BAD thing??????????????

can you expound please?
 Quoting: Shamar


I didn't say it was bad. I just said it explains a lot.
 Quoting: Life and Love


ok.....well if you have an open mind and heart.....let's continue! I will back up scripturally everything. Which I have already, but it seems to have gotten lost in the mix......
 Quoting: Shamar


No thanks. hf
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and Shamar, i am in NO WAY a pentacostal.
so, thanks for your scathing red karma. /sarcasm
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The reason so many people will follow the final man of evil will also be because a supernatural event is tied to him, namely, he will be a well know person from the past come back to life


or a current leader killed......who comes back to life.


The final 3.5 years will be full of events which people have never seen before.......supernatural in nature.



And yes.....the restrainer is Michael the archangel.....the one who stands guard over Israel. See Daniel Chp 12. In the end, he will stand up (stand still).....and no longer provide protection.


The man of evil will then attempt to extinguish Israel.....but God will protect a remnant supernaturally in the wilderness. (Rev 12)


God will defend His Holy Name, Word, and Promise made to Abraham for his act of faith and obedience. (Gen 22)


Satan will then go after the "offspring"......the Gentile Christians who have been grafted into the natural branch.


Rev. Chp 12
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I always thought the restrainer was the Holy Spirit
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and Shamar, i am in NO WAY a pentacostal.
so, thanks for your scathing red karma. /sarcasm
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what? i gave you no karma at all? !!
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Life and Love.....being an Israelite is a BAD thing??????????????

can you expound please?
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I didn't say it was bad. I just said it explains a lot.
 Quoting: Life and Love


ok.....well if you have an open mind and heart.....let's continue! I will back up scripturally everything. Which I have already, but it seems to have gotten lost in the mix......
 Quoting: Shamar


No thanks. hf
 Quoting: Life and Love


peace to you my friend......
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The reason so many people will follow the final man of evil will also be because a supernatural event is tied to him, namely, he will be a well know person from the past come back to life


or a current leader killed......who comes back to life.


The final 3.5 years will be full of events which people have never seen before.......supernatural in nature.



And yes.....the restrainer is Michael the archangel.....the one who stands guard over Israel. See Daniel Chp 12. In the end, he will stand up (stand still).....and no longer provide protection.


The man of evil will then attempt to extinguish Israel.....but God will protect a remnant supernaturally in the wilderness. (Rev 12)


God will defend His Holy Name, Word, and Promise made to Abraham for his act of faith and obedience. (Gen 22)


Satan will then go after the "offspring"......the Gentile Christians who have been grafted into the natural branch.


Rev. Chp 12
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24326290


I always thought the restrainer was the Holy Spirit
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21008556


the restrainer is the Holy Spirit. it is not Michael. the word restrainer was used before Jesus was here and named Him.
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The reason so many people will follow the final man of evil will also be because a supernatural event is tied to him, namely, he will be a well know person from the past come back to life


or a current leader killed......who comes back to life.


The final 3.5 years will be full of events which people have never seen before.......supernatural in nature.



And yes.....the restrainer is Michael the archangel.....the one who stands guard over Israel. See Daniel Chp 12. In the end, he will stand up (stand still).....and no longer provide protection.


The man of evil will then attempt to extinguish Israel.....but God will protect a remnant supernaturally in the wilderness. (Rev 12)


God will defend His Holy Name, Word, and Promise made to Abraham for his act of faith and obedience. (Gen 22)


Satan will then go after the "offspring"......the Gentile Christians who have been grafted into the natural branch.


Rev. Chp 12
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I always thought the restrainer was the Holy Spirit
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the restrainer is the Holy Spirit. it is not Michael. the word restrainer was used before Jesus was here and named Him.
 Quoting: Salt


salt, is there no room for discussion? Is this "thus sayeth Salt?
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of course. as long as we stay on the topic of the thread.
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Re: 46 Prophecies the AntiChrist will fulfill
Look in the mirror you will see the beast. His number is 666. Why would the Greeks insert such a number?

The number 9 symbolically in the Mystical bible refers to the MIND of man. Man either functions from his lower mind or higher mind. Man in his lower mind is represented as an animal. Mankind functioning from the higher mind is attuned with the divine mind.

6+6+6=18 add the digits of 1+8=9... 9 is the mind of man mystically in the bible. Your are the beast when your functioning in the lower mind acting carnally.

Remember the new Jerusalem. It's dimensions are 144,000. That represents the higher mind. Those that are saved from being the beast. They have a renewed mind as illustrated by the apostle Paul.

144=1+4+4=9....or the higher mind in this case. The entire bible is about you. And how to gain access to the higher mind.

Of course no one will accept this as the apostle Paul states, because when you read the bible literally you miss the SPIRITUAL truth because one is stuck in the lower mind trying to figure out when the world will end and who the Antichrist is....

The bible is myth. That does not mean its not true. Not true literally :) the entire bible happens to you when you are ready to PASSOVER to the right side and dwell in the garden of eden. And where was the garden of Eden located??

And for those that still doubt this. Read John 21. Where Jesus instructed the disciples to cast there nets to the RIGHT side of the boat. How many fish did they catch? Why did the bible make a point to say 153 fish caught?
Do the math and read above.....

Peace.


Do the math on 153 and read above....

Peace.





GLP