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I'm in the middle of reading Michael Newton's book "Journey of Souls" ( [link to www.amazon.com] -- what a great, great book!

He is or was a hypnotherapist who did past-life regressions and then found out that people could also go back to their "lives between lives." He hypnotized and interviewed about 7,000 people, and they all said pretty much the same thing.

Here's a short rundown:

- Reincarnation is real; every soul goes through many, many lives on Earth (and sometimes on other planets as well) in order to mature and grow.

- After death, you go back to the "place between lives," where you meet up with your soul group again and where you get life reviews of your past life and your guides/teachers work with you on achieving more knowledge and understanding, to prepare you for your next life.

- Your next life depends on how well you did in the last one; lessons you were supposed to learn but didn't in the last life need to be repeated in the next one. But every soul has a say in what kind of life it will experience, who its parents are going to be, what the major milestones, challenges and lessons are going to be.

- There's no heaven and no hell -- even though the highest advanced souls might sort of become one with the creator (which souls call "The One" or "The Source") again.

- Souls who have succumbed too much to earthly pressures and have led exceptionally bad lives (e.g., succumbing to evil, cruelty against others, and such), instead of being reunited with their soul group right away, will be separated from their group for a "reeducation program" to get them back on track. For some, that might well feel like hell, because the subjects said that those soul groups are very close-knit.

- Each primary soul group has between 15 and 25 members, and those are the people you always meet again in your incarnations, life after life. Not all of them may be incarnated together with you in every life, but they will be waiting for you when you get back. There are also secondary soul groups, whose members may play smaller roles in your incarnations, like a high school friend whom you then lost contact with and such.

It's funny, this has always been exactly my belief, but this was the first time I've heard of Michael Newton. I'm not yet through with the book, but if you want to ask some questions, I'll see if I can answer them. Or maybe you just order the book yourself -- highly recommended.
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I REALLY don't want to come back here again... redface
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Disagree. Earth is a spirit trap. We never volunteered, we were deceived. Our spirits don't belong here.
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It's funny, a lot of my personal beliefs coincide with this..

Good post OP! hf
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I've heard so many people say the same thing; or alternatively, "I didn't choose to come here."

Oh, but you did -- and you will again. Newton's clients said that there's no apprehension from souls about their next life; on the contrary, they all look forward to it because it's their means of evolving, and because it's all a big, fun adventure.

The gist of it is that our mission here on Earth to overcome fear and its outgrowths, i.e., hatred and anger, as well as develop our capacity for love and compassion, show courage, gain knowledge about ourselves, seize opportunities that offer themselves to us and go with the flow. Stagnation = bad. Change = good.
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But every soul has a say in what kind of life it will experience, who its parents are going to be, what the major milestones, challenges and lessons are going to be.
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So, there are souls that choose to live with child abusers in poverty? What would that lesson be?
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I just finished reading both of his books and they really floored me. What he has discovered after decades of hypnotizing people really has the ring of truth to it.

What I found most interesting was the fact that people with wildly different belief systems reported the same experiences between lives.

Love this thread OP. I knew it was going to be about JOS as soon as I saw the title.hf
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I've heard so many people say the same thing; or alternatively, "I didn't choose to come here."

Oh, but you did -- and you will again. Newton's clients said that there's no apprehension from souls about their next life; on the contrary, they all look forward to it because it's their means of evolving, and because it's all a big, fun adventure.

The gist of it is that our mission here on Earth to overcome fear and its outgrowths, i.e., hatred and anger, as well as develop our capacity for love and compassion, show courage, gain knowledge about ourselves, seize opportunities that offer themselves to us and go with the flow. Stagnation = bad. Change = good.
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You can't tell me I chose to come here. You or no one else knows for sure.

Totally disagree with the book. Human spirits are from the uncreated realm of God and don't belong in the created realm.

That's what I believe.
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Disagree. Earth is a spirit trap. We never volunteered, we were deceived. Our spirits don't belong here.
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Strange, I've heard this a lot, but I've never felt that way. I think we all stood in line to volunteer to come here at this incredibly interesting time. So much is happening right now; it's like a rollercoaster ride. Not always pleasant, but you have much more power of your own life than you think.

Your attitude and willingness to "go with the flow," as I said, determines much of what's going to happen in your life. Granted, certain things are baked in the cake, e.g., things that happened to you as a kid and that you had no influence on. But as soon as you become capable of taking care of yourself, you can turn your life around at any time... and it's up to you to take that chance or not. If you don't, then you'll just have to repeat those lessons.

Interestingly, souls who have committed suicide are not harshly judged, but are very disappointed in themselves because they realize they didn't learn the lesson they came here for and will have to do a complete re-run the next time. In other words, they basically wasted a life. Souls who, on the other hand, committed suicide late in life, e.g., due to a very painful and terminal illness, are not viewed as having made a mistake.
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I've heard so many people say the same thing; or alternatively, "I didn't choose to come here."

Oh, but you did -- and you will again. Newton's clients said that there's no apprehension from souls about their next life; on the contrary, they all look forward to it because it's their means of evolving, and because it's all a big, fun adventure.

The gist of it is that our mission here on Earth to overcome fear and its outgrowths, i.e., hatred and anger, as well as develop our capacity for love and compassion, show courage, gain knowledge about ourselves, seize opportunities that offer themselves to us and go with the flow. Stagnation = bad. Change = good.
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As an afterthought, I would agree that this is true. But it's all still part of being held prisoner for multiple lifetimes.
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so you personally died?
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in fact, have any of you died? No? then stfu about it.
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I'm in the middle of reading Michael Newton's book "Journey of Souls" ( [link to www.amazon.com] -- what a great, great book!

He is or was a hypnotherapist who did past-life regressions and then found out that people could also go back to their "lives between lives." He hypnotized and interviewed about 7,000 people, and they all said pretty much the same thing.

Here's a short rundown:

- Reincarnation is real; every soul goes through many, many lives on Earth (and sometimes on other planets as well) in order to mature and grow.

- After death, you go back to the "place between lives," where you meet up with your soul group again and where you get life reviews of your past life and your guides/teachers work with you on achieving more knowledge and understanding, to prepare you for your next life.

- Your next life depends on how well you did in the last one; lessons you were supposed to learn but didn't in the last life need to be repeated in the next one. But every soul has a say in what kind of life it will experience, who its parents are going to be, what the major milestones, challenges and lessons are going to be.

- There's no heaven and no hell -- even though the highest advanced souls might sort of become one with the creator (which souls call "The One" or "The Source") again.

- Souls who have succumbed too much to earthly pressures and have led exceptionally bad lives (e.g., succumbing to evil, cruelty against others, and such), instead of being reunited with their soul group right away, will be separated from their group for a "reeducation program" to get them back on track. For some, that might well feel like hell, because the subjects said that those soul groups are very close-knit.

- Each primary soul group has between 15 and 25 members, and those are the people you always meet again in your incarnations, life after life. Not all of them may be incarnated together with you in every life, but they will be waiting for you when you get back. There are also secondary soul groups, whose members may play smaller roles in your incarnations, like a high school friend whom you then lost contact with and such.

It's funny, this has always been exactly my belief, but this was the first time I've heard of Michael Newton. I'm not yet through with the book, but if you want to ask some questions, I'll see if I can answer them. Or maybe you just order the book yourself -- highly recommended.
 Quoting: sylvie


Excellent, thanks, I want to check out this book! Have you hread 'You Cannot Die' by Ian Currie? Its also not bad, not as detailed on the afterlife but lots of great proof of the existence of something post-bodily death.

hf
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But every soul has a say in what kind of life it will experience, who its parents are going to be, what the major milestones, challenges and lessons are going to be.
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So, there are souls that choose to live with child abusers in poverty? What would that lesson be?
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If you are a child abuser, you will choose to come back as an abused child, to learn why you shouldn't abuse children. Karma's a bitch.
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Looking at the digression of the people of the world, and the death, famine, disease, war zones, stupidity from higher education, naw, not many are reincarnating too well.

Got to leave this earth with a last name like Rothschild to expect better and best I guess.

Got to go, rent is due in two weeks, got to sleep, get up, face the machine, and divide the spoils amongst those that own the resources, I guess.
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But every soul has a say in what kind of life it will experience, who its parents are going to be, what the major milestones, challenges and lessons are going to be.
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So, there are souls that choose to live with child abusers in poverty? What would that lesson be?
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I can totally see how you would choose to go that route. Imagine you're an immortal soul and you know it, and you know nothing can ever harm you, really. Then each Earth life is just like a movie, of sorts, in which you are the director, the playwright, the main character, etc. If you're in that place "between lives" and look "down" on Earth, I bet you find all that petty drama going on here pretty amusing.

And then you get reincarnated and forget. And when you're in the midst of that drama, it sure doesn't seem all that funny anymore, especially since you don't remember that you're an immortal soul and don't have that big-picture view anymore.

You can get it back, though. With practice, you can actually learn to see yourself and your life with some degree of detachment, and it's incredibly instructional, I can tell you that.

So, to answer your question: Why would someone pick parents that abuse him? To overcome, simply. Traumatic experiences can break you or they can be extremely character building. Ask some of the people who had really hard childhoods and are now on top of their game... they'll all tell you that, had they not gone through what they did, they wouldn't be where they are today. Goes for me too; I had some real crap happen to me as a child and teenager, but it ultimately made me stronger.
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I just finished reading both of his books and they really floored me. What he has discovered after decades of hypnotizing people really has the ring of truth to it.

What I found most interesting was the fact that people with wildly different belief systems reported the same experiences between lives.

Love this thread OP. I knew it was going to be about JOS as soon as I saw the title.hf
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I'm looking forward to reading his other books once I'm done with this one.
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I've heard so many people say the same thing; or alternatively, "I didn't choose to come here."

Oh, but you did -- and you will again. Newton's clients said that there's no apprehension from souls about their next life; on the contrary, they all look forward to it because it's their means of evolving, and because it's all a big, fun adventure.

The gist of it is that our mission here on Earth to overcome fear and its outgrowths, i.e., hatred and anger, as well as develop our capacity for love and compassion, show courage, gain knowledge about ourselves, seize opportunities that offer themselves to us and go with the flow. Stagnation = bad. Change = good.
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You can't tell me I chose to come here. You or no one else knows for sure.

Totally disagree with the book. Human spirits are from the uncreated realm of God and don't belong in the created realm.

That's what I believe.
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Then I guess we have to agree to disagree. Listen, of COURSE I don't know for sure. What I do know for sure is that reincarnation is real, because I've had spontaneous -- not hypnosis-induced -- past-life memories, and one was even confirmed by another person who was in that past life with me. Do I have proof? Of course not. I guess we all have to believe what we want to believe.
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so you personally died?
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Huh?
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I'm in the middle of reading Michael Newton's book "Journey of Souls" ( [link to www.amazon.com] -- what a great, great book!

He is or was a hypnotherapist who did past-life regressions and then found out that people could also go back to their "lives between lives." He hypnotized and interviewed about 7,000 people, and they all said pretty much the same thing.

Here's a short rundown:

- Reincarnation is real; every soul goes through many, many lives on Earth (and sometimes on other planets as well) in order to mature and grow.

- After death, you go back to the "place between lives," where you meet up with your soul group again and where you get life reviews of your past life and your guides/teachers work with you on achieving more knowledge and understanding, to prepare you for your next life.

- Your next life depends on how well you did in the last one; lessons you were supposed to learn but didn't in the last life need to be repeated in the next one. But every soul has a say in what kind of life it will experience, who its parents are going to be, what the major milestones, challenges and lessons are going to be.

- There's no heaven and no hell -- even though the highest advanced souls might sort of become one with the creator (which souls call "The One" or "The Source") again.

- Souls who have succumbed too much to earthly pressures and have led exceptionally bad lives (e.g., succumbing to evil, cruelty against others, and such), instead of being reunited with their soul group right away, will be separated from their group for a "reeducation program" to get them back on track. For some, that might well feel like hell, because the subjects said that those soul groups are very close-knit.

- Each primary soul group has between 15 and 25 members, and those are the people you always meet again in your incarnations, life after life. Not all of them may be incarnated together with you in every life, but they will be waiting for you when you get back. There are also secondary soul groups, whose members may play smaller roles in your incarnations, like a high school friend whom you then lost contact with and such.

It's funny, this has always been exactly my belief, but this was the first time I've heard of Michael Newton. I'm not yet through with the book, but if you want to ask some questions, I'll see if I can answer them. Or maybe you just order the book yourself -- highly recommended.
 Quoting: sylvie

This is the same type of BS as regression therapy.
It was thought that you could "regress" Adults and Children to find out if they had suffered abuse or trauma in their lives, that they had blocked out.
It was proved that "false" trauma and Child Abuse was " remembered" during Regression.
It was later proved that all of these were FALSE MEMORIES.
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Excellent, thanks, I want to check out this book! Have you hread 'You Cannot Die' by Ian Currie? Its also not bad, not as detailed on the afterlife but lots of great proof of the existence of something post-bodily death.

hf
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No, haven't heard about it, but I'll put it on my list.
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The afterlife is identical to the life you had (or didn't have) before you were born ... in other words, you didn't exist.

If you think this is wrong, ask yourself why, as you get older, and you brain begins to fail, why these things are even happening - you are a biological machine - death is the final breakdown of the machine.
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But every soul has a say in what kind of life it will experience, who its parents are going to be, what the major milestones, challenges and lessons are going to be.
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So, there are souls that choose to live with child abusers in poverty? What would that lesson be?
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If you are a child abuser, you will choose to come back as an abused child, to learn why you shouldn't abuse children. Karma's a bitch.
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Yes, that's one reason they come back to circumstances like that.
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I REALLY don't want to come back here again... redface
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I don't either, and won't.
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in fact, have any of you died? No? then stfu about it.
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this is the only person on here who knows anything about anything. them and me. anyone who claims to know ANYTHING about THE afterlife or ANY afterlife is a fucktard. quite interesting it is that i'm replying to this thread. i'm actually a mildly famous writer that remains unjaded by celebrity, including myself. the minds of hume, kant, voltaire and plato need not be referenced in the case of this shit. critical thinking, supplied wonderfully to each individual - yet rarely capitalized upon - affords each human the ability to know, if they so choose, that they know nothing about the afterlife. fuck, man.
it's a great book
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one of my favorites
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thanks for posting this op! I definitley gonna read that book.


I was never really a spiritual person but around 2 years ago from one day to another i suddenly had this feeling telling me "you lived many lifes before this one."


I cant really explain it but somehow reincarnation makes totaly sense to me!

And i also believe that everyone, i reapeat everyone on earth has to deal with serious shit in his life. It doesnt matter if you were born a billionaire. Everyone has their own burdens.
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144,000 were delivered, 144,000 will be picked up.
Not everyone has past life flashes.
If possessed by the holy spirit, you have one of the 144,000. This is everlasting life, many places before, here now, many places still to go.
These souls are not you and me. Our memories may be added to it's overall intelligence, but are not the core.
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Interesting and somehow I have felt this.
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Looking at the digression of the people of the world, and the death, famine, disease, war zones, stupidity from higher education, naw, not many are reincarnating too well.

Got to leave this earth with a last name like Rothschild to expect better and best I guess.

Got to go, rent is due in two weeks, got to sleep, get up, face the machine, and divide the spoils amongst those that own the resources, I guess.
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Interesting that you mention that. Newton's clients said that the most advanced souls -- at least those who still do come back -- actually often lead very humble lives. The rich and famous ones are often the new souls, they say, those who haven't learned their lessons yet and thus chase after the wrong things, spend all their precious time partying and livin' it up, without regard for their moral and spiritual development.

They also say that the new or immature souls are usually the ones among which you see the most conformity... and, I'd imagine, the most violence, because they haven't learned the higher lessons yet.

I thought it was funny that the book says you can have lived many Earth lives and still be a soul on Level I. Newton says almost all of his clients come to him and say, "I know I'm an old soul, but right now I have so much trouble in my life." He says nearly 50% of his clients are Level I souls, but they don't like to hear it... until they find out in the hypnosis. No one wants to be a rookie. :)
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This is the same type of BS as regression therapy.
It was thought that you could "regress" Adults and Children to find out if they had suffered abuse or trauma in their lives, that they had blocked out.
It was proved that "false" trauma and Child Abuse was " remembered" during Regression.
It was later proved that all of these were FALSE MEMORIES.
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I wonder, though, how leading the hypnotherapist was... basically talking them into those memories, maybe?

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