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WTF??? Obama EPA About To Mandate 4-Gallon MINIMUM Gasoline Purchase

 
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Ethanol will be the death of our country. It kills engines. It cost more to produce that its worth. If there weren't subsidies nobody would produce ethanol and finally......

Why the fuck are we using our agricultural production capabilities to produce fuel for vehicles when a two year drought has been gripping our heartland resulting in higher food prices and shortage of grains to feed our livestock?

This ethanol experiment must end!
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Ethanol is the fuel of the future. Ethanol is not bad for engines but the problem with Ethanol is it absorbs water fairly easily. Hints why boats have problems with running it. You wont have this problem with vehicles. Ethanol burns cool which keeps engine cooler and being that it has a high flash point. However, using corn to produce ethanol will destroy our country. It costs way too much and takes way to long to produce the corn. Algae is by far the best and cheapest way to produce ethanol.
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It only burns cooler cause the extra fuel being used can carry more heat away.

The engine temp rises as the CAR isn't programmed for ethanol and DOESN'T pump the extra fuel needed to maintain stoichiometric burn. Thus the engine runs MUCH hotter when at 50-100% load.

Runs hotter when you NEED the cooling effect but doesn't.

It only runs cooler at idle and low load when heat isn't an issue. This is one of the destructive parts to this sinister ethanol conspiracy.

The car runs hotter under load and runs cooler at idle/low load. Meaning the parts expand and contract more resulting in gaskets failing and parts warping sooner, easier.



You can not sell me the lie!!!
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Its obvious you know nothing about engines. An engine doesn't run cooler on ethanol because the extra fuel cools the engine. That's just retarded. It has all to do with the flash point. For example, look at top fuel dragsters they run nitro methane which has a really high flash point. They don't run radiators because the engine doesn't get that hot.
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this arrogant fuck is out of control! i do not know a single person voting for him. not even friends and family who are democrats and voted for him before - they are adamantly opposed to him now. the media is lying their ass off (no surprise) about how "close" the polls are.
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they have to lie, because the election is fixed
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When you see NBC polls with +Dem bias as high as +13, or +16 points, YOU KNOW THEY ARE DESPERATE AND PANICKED...

Remember Wisconisn?
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That's not gonna play well with his base. I see Obama voters, all the time, put $3 in their tanks.

What if someone really needs to get somewhere and doesn't have $15? Is he just stuck?
 Quoting: ReVbo™


What do people do with the small gas can for their lawn mowers?
 Quoting: anonimalle


Beats me. I guess, if you want to fill up your motorcycle or lawn mower, you better bring a 5 gallon can with you, and just refuel at home.

I'm really leaning more toward just ignoring this law, though. Fuck 'em. My guy at the Marathon station in town will take care of me.
 Quoting: ReVbo™

The stupid fuckers who try to mandate this sort of thing never consider the logistics of actually enforcing the new law.

1.Do they want to modify all the gas pumps to at least charge you for 4 gallons whether you have a place to put it or not? This would be a cumbersome and expensive project to say the least. It could also be dangerous with people spilling it on the ground or trying to put the rest that won't go in the car in some empty 40 oz. malt liquor bottles.

2. Or do they expect the gas station owner to somehow police how much is dipensed?

"Hey you on pump #2, you didn't get at least 4 gallons, I'm calling the cops."
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Fortunately I live near a gas station that still sells
pure gasoline.
I took off all my emissions controls, and cored out
the catalytic converter, and burn all my trash with
used motor oil.
I found some old cans of R12 freon, and used them for
target practice.

Fight back! Shove it up the EPA's ass.
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My motorcycles both hold less than 3.5 gallons, what will I do with the other half a gallon?
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Dump it on the ground.
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TELL THAT TO MY 2.1 GALLON GAS TANK!


These are the same asshats that mandated these new gas cans that spill more gas then you get in your lawnmower everytime you refuel in the name of stopping evaporation.
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Can you not read? The idea is to save your engine from accidentally putting an alcohol mix gas into your car. This only applies to pumps that use one hose to dispense both types of fuel. Four gallons run through the hose would dilute any leftover alcohol blends in the line. This place gets dumber by the day.
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This mandate only applies to certain gas pumps which can switch between 10 and 15 percent ethanol. The minimum is 4 gallons so if someone pumped 15 percent before you, that you'd actually get 10 percent if that's what you wanted because there's about 1/3rd of a gallon of gas left in the hose. If you only got a gallon of 10%, it would wind up being like 12% and destroy any engine that couldn't take more than 10%.

Read the damn article before you start acting like a lunatic.
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The only solution is nullification by the states and telling the feds to go f-ck themselves other than open rebellion bloody in the streets.


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Can you not read? The idea is to save your engine from accidentally putting an alcohol mix gas into your car. This only applies to pumps that use one hose to dispense both types of fuel. Four gallons run through the hose would dilute any leftover alcohol blends in the line. This place gets dumber by the day.
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So how do you fill up your motorcycle gas tank that only takes 3.5 gallons, when the local gas station uses a pump with one hose to dispense both types of fuel?
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This is just a preview from what Empty Chair Obama plans on doing to the American public in his second term. How can the public support this pathetic excuse for a president?

FROM THE HILL:
The latest mandate handed down from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is so ridiculous, even I was shocked. The EPA has now mandated how much gasoline you must buy at certain gas stations. Say hello to the Obama Administration’s four gallon minimum.

This unprecedented EPA overreach applies when filling up at a gas station that provides both E15 and E10, gasoline with 15 or 10 percent of ethanol, respectively, from the same hose.

At the insistence of the ethanol industry, the Obama Administration is pushing E15 into the marketplace, regardless of the serious concerns about the fuel’s impact on drivers. From its inception, E15 is a study in the consequences of government interference in the marketplace. The EPA’s decision to set a minimum purchase requirement is just the most recent example.

If this seems too far-fetched to be true, here is what the EPA recently wrote in a letter to the American Motorcyclist Association:

"EPA requires that retail stations that own or operate blender pumps either dispense E15 from a dedicated hose and nozzle if able or, in the case of E15 and E10 being dispensed from the same hose, require that at least four gallons of fuel be purchased to prevent vehicles and engines with smaller fuel tanks from being exposed to gasoline-ethanol blended fuels containing greater than 10 volume percent ethanol."

[link to thehill.com]
 Quoting: PravdaDemocrat


how many liters is 4 gallon?
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Can you not read? The idea is to save your engine from accidentally putting an alcohol mix gas into your car. This only applies to pumps that use one hose to dispense both types of fuel. Four gallons run through the hose would dilute any leftover alcohol blends in the line. This place gets dumber by the day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12412697


So how do you fill up your motorcycle gas tank that only takes 3.5 gallons, when the local gas station uses a pump with one hose to dispense both types of fuel?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24072013


Would you rather accidentally put a high alcohol mix blend in your bike? You're risking your bike now at that pump if the person before you used the blended fuel.
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Can you not read? The idea is to save your engine from accidentally putting an alcohol mix gas into your car. This only applies to pumps that use one hose to dispense both types of fuel. Four gallons run through the hose would dilute any leftover alcohol blends in the line. This place gets dumber by the day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12412697


So how do you fill up your motorcycle gas tank that only takes 3.5 gallons, when the local gas station uses a pump with one hose to dispense both types of fuel?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24072013


You go to a gas station or pump that does not switch between 10 and 15% ethanol so you don't ruin your motorcycle.
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“We’ll therefore speed up the question of reform (of tarrifs within) the Democratic Party; and we’ll put the spotlight on the question of protection …(for) the Republican Party."

“By dividing the electorate this way, we’ll be able to have them spend their energies at struggling amongst themselves, on questions that, for us, have no importance whatsoever." - United State Bankers magazine, 1892.
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Is this where one of you fuckheads say Obama and Romney are the same?

You people are a joke!
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This is just a preview from what Empty Chair Obama plans on doing to the American public in his second term. How can the public support this pathetic excuse for a president?

FROM THE HILL:
The latest mandate handed down from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is so ridiculous, even I was shocked. The EPA has now mandated how much gasoline you must buy at certain gas stations. Say hello to the Obama Administration’s four gallon minimum.

This unprecedented EPA overreach applies when filling up at a gas station that provides both E15 and E10, gasoline with 15 or 10 percent of ethanol, respectively, from the same hose.

At the insistence of the ethanol industry, the Obama Administration is pushing E15 into the marketplace, regardless of the serious concerns about the fuel’s impact on drivers. From its inception, E15 is a study in the consequences of government interference in the marketplace. The EPA’s decision to set a minimum purchase requirement is just the most recent example.

If this seems too far-fetched to be true, here is what the EPA recently wrote in a letter to the American Motorcyclist Association:

"EPA requires that retail stations that own or operate blender pumps either dispense E15 from a dedicated hose and nozzle if able or, in the case of E15 and E10 being dispensed from the same hose, require that at least four gallons of fuel be purchased to prevent vehicles and engines with smaller fuel tanks from being exposed to gasoline-ethanol blended fuels containing greater than 10 volume percent ethanol."

[link to thehill.com]
 Quoting: PravdaDemocrat


Holy Shizza!!!!!!!! WTFohno
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Hold on a second.

they don't want you to have more than 10%.. but they are selling 15%.

So how is that going to work in a larger tank if you are running low as it is?

Obama has proven once again that simple math isn't in his wheelhouse.
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"I will damn sure mess up Motorcycles, Boat Motors and lawn mowers.." scratching
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that's the plan..what else can they do??
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Hold on a second.

they don't want you to have more than 10%.. but they are selling 15%.

So how is that going to work in a larger tank if you are running low as it is?

Obama has proven once again that simple math isn't in his wheelhouse.
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It's a tug of war between two of the most powerful lobbyist groups in the world - oil and corn.
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“By dividing the electorate this way, we’ll be able to have them spend their energies at struggling amongst themselves, on questions that, for us, have no importance whatsoever." - United State Bankers magazine, 1892.
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That blend will kill all our engines,are you guys aware of this?Car makers are aware!

They want warrant the engine with this blend on new cars!
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That is why there is a 4 gallon min. ,

so that it will not kill your car "too" fast.

Wow, that should help the economy.. kill everyone's care so

that they have to buy new ones. lol
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Some people in this thread have been drinking too much gasoline. Not sure if it's 10 or 15% ethanol.
“We must keep the people busy with political antagonisms."
“We’ll therefore speed up the question of reform (of tarrifs within) the Democratic Party; and we’ll put the spotlight on the question of protection …(for) the Republican Party."

“By dividing the electorate this way, we’ll be able to have them spend their energies at struggling amongst themselves, on questions that, for us, have no importance whatsoever." - United State Bankers magazine, 1892.
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Ethanol will be the death of our country. It kills engines. It cost more to produce that its worth. If there weren't subsidies nobody would produce ethanol and finally......

Why the fuck are we using our agricultural production capabilities to produce fuel for vehicles when a two year drought has been gripping our heartland resulting in higher food prices and shortage of grains to feed our livestock?

This ethanol experiment must end!
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Ethanol is the fuel of the future. Ethanol is not bad for engines but the problem with Ethanol is it absorbs water fairly easily. Hints why boats have problems with running it. You wont have this problem with vehicles. Ethanol burns cool which keeps engine cooler and being that it has a high flash point. However, using corn to produce ethanol will destroy our country. It costs way too much and takes way to long to produce the corn. Algae is by far the best and cheapest way to produce ethanol.
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That's not why boats have problems. All engines with carburetors have problems. If autos are not fuel-injected, they will, too.
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the last 2 people are stupid!

1. Ethanol is made from corn- hence another reason why people starve on the planet..for fuel! ha

2. Carburetors can be fixed easier and cheaper then fuel-injected engines which is why most people junk their vehicles when engine is fried by them! ha idiots!
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My motorcycles both hold less than 3.5 gallons, what will I do with the other half a gallon?
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Dump it on the ground and light it with a match and go!
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That's not gonna play well with his base. I see Obama voters, all the time, put $3 in their tanks.

What if someone really needs to get somewhere and doesn't have $15? Is he just stuck?
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Good point.

Government will probably begin subsidizing (rationing) fuel to the 47%
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"EPA requires that retail stations that own or operate blender pumps either dispense E15 from a dedicated hose and nozzle if able or, in the case of E15 and E10 being dispensed from the same hose, require that at least four gallons of fuel be purchased to prevent vehicles and engines with smaller fuel tanks from being exposed to gasoline-ethanol blended fuels containing greater than 10 volume percent ethanol."

[link to thehill.com]
 Quoting: PravdaDemocrat


simple exede 10% ethanol it washes oil from engine chamber and ruins it ....

by by piston rings .....

get an electric car ,,, tounge
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That's not gonna play well with his base. I see Obama voters, all the time, put $3 in their tanks.

What if someone really needs to get somewhere and doesn't have $15? Is he just stuck?
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Spot on.
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YEP!! GREENIES IN ACTION...THERE WILL BE MORE OF THIS MINDLESS CRAP COMIN; SOON...
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I work in the outdoor power industry and this should be a HUGE concern for anyone who operates small engines.

I have no problem with ethanol blend as long as non-blended gas is also available. But ethanol, even at 10%, causes MAJOR problems in small engines such as outdoor power equipment. These days, power equipment engines are mostly developed and built in Europe, China and Japan (Briggs, Kohler, Tecumseh, Subaru, Honda, Suzuki, etc) where they use non-blended fuel.

Ethanol is a coagulant and separates from fuel after sitting for around two weeks. The separated ethanol then clogs and damages engine carburetors which causes other damage to the machine. If the ethanol makes it through the carburetor and into the combustion chamber, it burns at a temperature much higher than even 93 octane fuel which causes cheap metal and plastic engine pieces to warp and become damaged. No way around it, Ethanol is a bad deal for small engines.

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks this is a coordinated effort between the EPA, various lobby groups and government as a whole to push 'planned replacement' which basically is a business model which ensures your item will break within five years, forcing you to buy another one. Your major retailers like Lowes, Home Depot, Tractor Supply, etc all sell products with cheap Chinese components that are intended to fail within a few years of purchase. When you have to buy the replacement, it helps the retailer, manufacturer, and the economy. See, it all fits together in a nice little package.

And don't think for a second that you'll just go buy another brand of lawnmower instead of the one that failed within 5 years... they are all the same with just different colors.

MTD makes Bolens, Yard Machine, Yard Man, Troy Bilt, Huskee, and a few others.

Husqvarna, a subsidiary of GE, makes Husqvarna, Poulan, Poulan Pro, and a couple others.

John Deere sold in retail stores is made by Briggs and Stratton, the same company that puts half the engines in these other brands.

You have a few independents out there still, but not many.

Anyway... fuck Iowa and Nebraska, ethanol sucks.
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This just wouldn't work. I know many, many people who live paycheck to paycheck, and by the end of the week they literally only have a few bucks to put in gas to get to work. Do this, and people won't be able to get to work, then what?
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This just wouldn't work. I know many, many people who live paycheck to paycheck, and by the end of the week they literally only have a few bucks to put in gas to get to work. Do this, and people won't be able to get to work, then what?
 Quoting: amywood71605


They go to a gas station or pump that this mandate does not apply to, which will be most of them. Right now, all of them.
“We must keep the people busy with political antagonisms."
“We’ll therefore speed up the question of reform (of tarrifs within) the Democratic Party; and we’ll put the spotlight on the question of protection …(for) the Republican Party."

“By dividing the electorate this way, we’ll be able to have them spend their energies at struggling amongst themselves, on questions that, for us, have no importance whatsoever." - United State Bankers magazine, 1892.
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That's not why boats have problems. All engines with carburetors have problems. If autos are not fuel-injected, they will, too.
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The fuel is not the problem. All you have to do on a carbureted engine is replace with larger jets. Same goes for EFI engines you have go go with bigger injectors which most new cars come with anyway.
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Thanks. Didn't know that.

Also, I have a hat with your quote on it that I picked up at the Alamo. 5a
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When is that Air powered car coming out?


So is this in effect or what:?

It should be posted at the pumps i would think?