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BREAKING: "President" Tim Turner indicted for multiple cases of propagating soverign citizen retardedness -

 
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DOJ Press Release:
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"A federal grand jury in Montgomery, Ala., charged James Timothy Turner, also known as Tim Turner, with conspiracy to defraud the United States, attempting to pay taxes with fictitious financial instruments, attempting to obstruct and impede the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), failing to file a 2009 federal income tax return and falsely testifying under oath in a bankruptcy proceeding, the Justice Department, the IRS, and the FBI announced today."

This is Tim Turner, the Fake President of the Fake Republic for the united (small U!) States.

I am laughing SO HARD at all the sovereign citizen tards now.
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SOVEREIGN CITIZENS, PLEASE TELL ME - how can this be? If sovereign citizen mythology is correct, then they CANT TOUCH Tim Turner!
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SOVEREIGN CITIZENS, PLEASE TELL ME - how can this be? If sovereign citizen mythology is correct, then they CANT TOUCH Tim Turner!
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And if the constitution was upheld, Americans wouldn't be able to be detained indefinately....
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SOVEREIGN CITIZENS, PLEASE TELL ME - how can this be? If sovereign citizen mythology is correct, then they CANT TOUCH Tim Turner!
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And if the constitution was upheld, Americans wouldn't be able to be detained indefinately....
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Not true. Learn what the constitution says.
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SOVEREIGN CITIZENS, PLEASE TELL ME - how can this be? If sovereign citizen mythology is correct, then they CANT TOUCH Tim Turner!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19099851


And if the constitution was upheld, Americans wouldn't be able to be detained indefinately....
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


Not true. Learn what the constitution says.
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lol, ok.

your trolling has failed.
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it's a TRAP!

the goldfish can't save him now....
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

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SOVEREIGN CITIZENS, PLEASE TELL ME - how can this be? If sovereign citizen mythology is correct, then they CANT TOUCH Tim Turner!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19099851


And if the constitution was upheld, Americans wouldn't be able to be detained indefinately....
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


Not true. Learn what the constitution says.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19099851


lol, ok.

your trolling has failed.
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


Your knowledge of the constitution has failed.

Please cite the verse of the Constitution that says you cannot be held for committing terrorist acts
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An indictment merely alleges that a crime has been committed, and a defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If convicted, Turner faces a maximum of 164 years in federal prison, a maximum fine of $2,350,000 and mandatory restitution.
[link to www.justice.gov]
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And if the constitution was upheld, Americans wouldn't be able to be detained indefinately....
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


Not true. Learn what the constitution says.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19099851


lol, ok.

your trolling has failed.
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


Your knowledge of the constitution has failed.

Please cite the verse of the Constitution that says you cannot be held for committing terrorist acts
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19099851


The public believing that the government would only detain "terrorists" is a dictators dream.

Your thread is a fail, I will go ahead and let it die now.
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SOVEREIGN CITIZENS, PLEASE TELL ME - how can this be? If sovereign citizen mythology is correct, then they CANT TOUCH Tim Turner!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19099851


Not stickin up for Tim turner, but the current administration has had two different people publically state their admiration for communist Chairman Mao's philosophy that political power flows from the barrel of a gun.

Tim's high minded ideals are based on the Constitution for the United States and the spirit of the Declaration of Independence that came before it. His logic fault was using words and political philosophies not adhered to by a government that has begun to adopt Chairman Mao's political philosophy.

Last Edited by Resister on 09/18/2012 05:18 PM
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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Not true. Learn what the constitution says.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19099851


lol, ok.

your trolling has failed.
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


Your knowledge of the constitution has failed.

Please cite the verse of the Constitution that says you cannot be held for committing terrorist acts
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19099851


The public believing that the government would only detain "terrorists" is a dictators dream.

Your thread is a fail, I will go ahead and let it die now.
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


NICE WAY TO AVOID THE QUESTION! Thanks for proving there is NO CONSTITUTIONAL BASIS FOR YOUR CLAIM

I recommend a college POLI 101 course for you.
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SOVEREIGN CITIZENS, PLEASE TELL ME - how can this be? If sovereign citizen mythology is correct, then they CANT TOUCH Tim Turner!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19099851


Not stickin up for Tim turner, but the current administration has had two different people publically state their admiration for communist Chairman Mao's philosophy that political power flows from the barrel of a gun.

Tim's high minded ideals are based on the Constitution for the United States and the spirit of the Declaration of Independence that came before it. His logic fault was using words and political philosophies not adhered to by a government that has begun to adopt Chairman Mao's political philosophy.
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No..they aren't based on the constitution. They are based on mythology. Sovereign legal concepts are not real.
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SOVEREIGN CITIZENS, PLEASE TELL ME - how can this be? If sovereign citizen mythology is correct, then they CANT TOUCH Tim Turner!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19099851


Not stickin up for Tim turner, but the current administration has had two different people publically state their admiration for communist Chairman Mao's philosophy that political power flows from the barrel of a gun.

Tim's high minded ideals are based on the Constitution for the United States and the spirit of the Declaration of Independence that came before it. His logic fault was using words and political philosophies not adhered to by a government that has begun to adopt Chairman Mao's political philosophy.
 Quoting: Resister


Well put Resister!
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SOVEREIGN CITIZENS, PLEASE TELL ME - how can this be? If sovereign citizen mythology is correct, then they CANT TOUCH Tim Turner!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19099851


Not stickin up for Tim turner, but the current administration has had two different people publically state their admiration for communist Chairman Mao's philosophy that political power flows from the barrel of a gun.

Tim's high minded ideals are based on the Constitution for the United States and the spirit of the Declaration of Independence that came before it. His logic fault was using words and political philosophies not adhered to by a government that has begun to adopt Chairman Mao's political philosophy.
 Quoting: Resister


No..they aren't based on the constitution. They are based on mythology. Sovereign legal concepts are not real.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19099851


Then how did the colonists declare their freedom from the British crown? They did so by appealing to the laws of nature and of nature's Creator. Of coarse they had to back that up with the ability to defend themselves too but that is just part of the responsibility. Tim didn't and couldn't do that by himself. Just read the opening of the Declaration of Independence. I don't feel like doing the job your 4th grade history teacher should have done today.

Last Edited by Resister on 09/18/2012 05:36 PM
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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And if the constitution was upheld, Americans wouldn't be able to be detained indefinately....
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


Not true. Learn what the constitution says.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19099851


lol, ok.

your trolling has failed.
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


Your knowledge of the constitution has failed.

Please cite the verse of the Constitution that says you cannot be held for committing terrorist acts
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is a terrorist act is a criminal act covered by the 6th amendment.
It's sad that americans dont know thier rights.
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The NDAA is in full swing. Turner will be arrested and put away. Also, all of you tards that signed up on Turners' Restore America Plan will be getting a knock on the door from the FBI. Turner turned over the list to them.

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The NDAA is in full swing. Turner will be arrested and put away. Also, all of you tards that signed up on Turners' Restore America Plan will be getting a knock on the door from the FBI. Turner turned over the list to them.

obigbro
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I understood that this was about defrauding the government of taxes owed. Why would signing up for a group get you a knock on the door?
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The NDAA is in full swing. Turner will be arrested and put away. Also, all of you tards that signed up on Turners' Restore America Plan will be getting a knock on the door from the FBI. Turner turned over the list to them.

obigbro
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I always felt it was a TRAP, a fairy tale, except without the oddparents.
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

cow - Moo!
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lol, ok.

your trolling has failed.
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Your knowledge of the constitution has failed.

Please cite the verse of the Constitution that says you cannot be held for committing terrorist acts
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19099851


The public believing that the government would only detain "terrorists" is a dictators dream.

Your thread is a fail, I will go ahead and let it die now.
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


NICE WAY TO AVOID THE QUESTION! Thanks for proving there is NO CONSTITUTIONAL BASIS FOR YOUR CLAIM

I recommend a college POLI 101 course for you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19099851


It is every American's right to a speedy trial by a jury of their peers with enough evidence against them to properly advocate said charges.

Where the problem starts is with deciding what is and isn't an act of terrorism. It is not a jury that decides in this instance, it is the government. It is likely that sovereign citizens could be detained indefinitely on suspected acts of terrorism, as could a political activist who says things not conducive to the fear controlled police state we're heading towards.

Quoting the 6th amendment to the constitution-
"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense."

Any American citizen detained indefinitely on the grounds of suspected terrorism is automatically deprived of what the 6th amendment guarantees him/her.

I recommend you do a little brushing up before spewing your bullshit into the faces of the uninformed. You're only hurting the cause.
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Oh Lord, I remember the "Republic of Texas" movement back in the 1990's, they went around screwing up public records by filing false liens and intruments at county clerks offices around the State. They were a real mess...

Here's the bottom line, you're born here, you're a citizen here, you do business here, you nut up and pay your taxes like a man...
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THE
RESTORE
AMERICA
PLAN

is and always was exactly what it appeared to be.

Turner was the bait.
in warm pursuit...
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I'm on the fence with this "Sovereign Citizen" thing.

Can anyone give me an example of this working infront of a judge? If so, don't you think all lawyers and people with power would be using this? Not just some nerds who read about it on the internet?
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Oh Lord, I remember the "Republic of Texas" movement back in the 1990's, they went around screwing up public records by filing false liens and intruments at county clerks offices around the State. They were a real mess...

Here's the bottom line, you're born here, you're a citizen here, you do business here, you nut up and pay your taxes like a man...
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Says the slave from his knees, you speak for yourself thank-you very much. Also, your panties are showing.
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First, Tim Turner is a cartoon character with 2 fairy godparents.

Second, even if this person was a sovereign, they likely would have to cede from the US, then negotiate a price for the land. Any transactions ( ie. buying food not grown on their property) or working would have to fall under the laws of that country. If the person lived in their own sovereign land that they purchased from the US and then paid taxes when working on US land, then good for them, but if it was just a way to avoid taxes....
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the gov makes up the laws as it goes along, making "legal" anything that it needs to do its dirty business and ignoring any "old laws" that were set up to stop them and their ilk...in short, they are tyrants and foreign occupiers

therefore, any movement to oppose them is valid
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lol

we had one of those idiots come into voice chat one night

he was a fake senator..

I can't believe grown men could fall for that shit...
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lol nice! So if I proclaim myself the 'First marshal of the empire' do I get an army?
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Before you try and bash the sovereign movement, at least watch this 10 part presentation:

Here's part 1: Robert Menard


Real Eyes, Realize, Real Lies
~U.R.~

Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
~H. L. Mencken~

We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.
~Plato~

When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations,
the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.
~Dresden James~
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I'm on the fence with this "Sovereign Citizen" thing.

Can anyone give me an example of this working infront of a judge? If so, don't you think all lawyers and people with power would be using this? Not just some nerds who read about it on the internet?
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You have to understand Contract Law and Trust Law or you are fucked.
Four Elements to a Contract
1.Offer
2.Acceptance
3.Lawful consideration
4.Meeting of the Minds
Trust Law:
1.Beneficiary
2.Executor
3.Trustee
Almost all Sovereign movements know nothing about these
applications of Natural Laws,hence they lose.
If you can not use or have knowlede of all the elements
then you will be defrauded and shipped away.
It is up to you to aquire the (Gnosis), Yes (GOD) is an element.

Last Edited by Hugh G. Rechtion on 09/19/2012 01:00 AM
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Income tax is all part of the Central Banking scam.
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I'm on the fence with this "Sovereign Citizen" thing.

Can anyone give me an example of this working infront of a judge? If so, don't you think all lawyers and people with power would be using this? Not just some nerds who read about it on the internet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10729761


You have to understand Contract Law and Trust Law or you are fucked.
Four Elements to a Contract
1.Offer
2.Acceptance
3.Lawful consideration
4.Meeting of the Minds
Trust Law:
1.Beneficiary
2.Executor
3.Trustee
Almost all Sovereign movements know nothing about these
applications of Natural Laws,hence they lose.
If you can not use or have knowlede of all the elements
then you will be defrauded and shipped away.
It is up to you to aquire the (Gnosis), Yes (GOD) is an element.
 Quoting: Hugh G. Rechtion

Quick example to get your mind running...
Of the above elements of a Contract, can anyone please
point to one element a Corporation can meet?

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