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The truth about the book of Revelation.

 
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Bill Cooper said the government had every intention of following the book of Revalations like a movie script in order to manipulate christians and control them. And he said that back in the 80's.

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The books of the Bible have proven inspiration from God the creator who we have known as Jesus.


1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him, to show to his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel to his servant John:
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1,830 years is a long time since it was written, and "shortly come to pass" has already passed.

So why do people take Revelation seriously? Well, they do because it accidentally ended up in the canon.

Otherwise they would have said that John was posessed by a daemon, just like they say of Nostradamus.

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And the book of Urania is the truth? By whoms authority?
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why would you ask such a thing. Obviously you have not read it. It was given by many beings from "heaven' that place you ones have no comprehension of. It was given by the authority actually of the magisterial Son and Michael of Nebadon with approval of many in the very high realms. Your bible is mockery next to it.
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And the book of Urania is the truth? By whoms authority?
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They do not even know who the author is. It could have been Satan himself. Fools!
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the author is MANY. the book was given by many beings thru a sleeping prophet. Much as Edgar Cayce's works. Edgar did not give those, he vacated his body and others came thru him. Ditto the works by Dolores Cannon.

Satan was already removed from this world when the UB was given.
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1,830 years is a long time since it was written, and "shortly come to pass" has already passed.

So why do people take Revelation seriously? Well, they do because it accidentally ended up in the canon.

Otherwise they would have said that John was posessed by a deamon, just like they say of Nostradamus.
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The Greek word tachos is "suddenly, quickly, rapidly", not "soon". That is, when it happens, it will begin without warning and proceed rapidly.
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1,830 years is a long time since it was written, and "shortly come to pass" has already passed.

So why do people take Revelation seriously? Well, they do because it accidentally ended up in the canon.

Otherwise they would have said that John was posessed by a deamon, just like they say of Nostradamus.
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The Greek word tachos is "suddenly, quickly, rapidly", not "soon". That is, when it happens, it will begin without warning and proceed rapidly.
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I have my own Dutch translation which states the same.

NIV: 1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

Either the bible translators are dumb-asses or you are wrong.

Revelation has much to offer for deluded souls. That is why it is so popular.
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I have my own Dutch translation which states the same.

NIV: 1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

Either the bible translators are dumb-asses or you are wrong.

Revelation has much to offer for deluded souls. That is why it is so popular.
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Either the translators IGNORE the lexicons (I use the Liddel/Scott, well-regarded by linguists) and follow instead the KJV, or you're wrong.
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Further reading: [link to bibleforums.org]

I saw this response of yours to this comment, “1. The events prophesied were to be "soon;" [Rev 1:1]” on the thread dealing with 666. You indicate above you are aware of a “some” English translations that render a translation other than what is really in the “Greek” New Testament. What do you think lead these translators to render the passage as,
The lack of taking the Greek “εν” ("en") and leaping from the definition of ταχει “too quickly” (pun intended). The word is derived from the stem, Ταχ, “speed, hurry, quick”. ταχει itself is a dative, thus, “εν” puts a greater force on it.

I'm rearranging your quotes here:


“must shortly take place”, NASB, NKJV
“must shortly happen” NEB
Philips, The New Testament in the Language of the People, Charles B. Williams
“must shortly come to pass”, ASV, The New Testament in Modern Speech, by R.F. Weymouth
To a technical degree, such words are "fair", but do not convey the proper meaning to the reader, and the grammar is also wrong. If the drop of the Greek "en" was put into the text, it would render like "with shortly", or "by shortly", or "in shortly". Ironically, at this rate, it would sound better as "with shortness", but that is not good English for this text, but at least still means that when the things do happen, they will occur in a short amount of time (a period of time that is shortened by comparison of the ages of the world).


“must shortly and speedily come to pass” Amplified BibleThis is unacceptable. Such a paraphrase would be better rendered "must speedily come to pass” (IOW, "with (en) speed (tach-ay)").


“what must come to pass very soon” The Holy Bible: A New Translation, James Moffatt “must soon take place” RVS, NIV, ESV
“must very soon take place” The New Testament in Modern English, J.B. “what must happen very soon” Today’s English Version.
“what must happen soon” New Testament is the Language of Today, William F. BeckYea, I got some others that do that, even the new NET Bible. But there is a difference if a parent tells their kid to clean up their "right now", "quickly", or "soon."


By my count there are 14 different translations that all provide the same sense that you suggest isn’t accurate. Oh, and I am sure there are more - I have over 50 translations on my computer. These little slip ups are no reason to shelf the Bible, or delete them from the computer. Perhaps the translator(s) thought they were conveying the meaning(s) to the end-user at least sufficiently. Having several translations help better understand where people are coming from.

Here's from the Analytical-Literal Translation (Version 2. They have a Version 3 out now):

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to Him to show to His slaves what things are necessary to occur with quickness. And He made it known, having sent through His angel to His slave John, (Rev 1:1 ALT)

The word tachos in the dative case as it is, means the manner in which the events will happen, not the amount of time to transpire before they begin.

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Either the translators IGNORE the lexicons (I use the Liddel/Scott, well-regarded by linguists) and follow instead the KJV, or you're wrong.
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Also the KJV: "must shortly come to pass".

Translation requires context. You cannot take a word from a lexicon without knowing the context.

But I am not an expert in Greek, so I have to work with the translations.
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Either the translators IGNORE the lexicons (I use the Liddel/Scott, well-regarded by linguists) and follow instead the KJV, or you're wrong.
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Also the KJV: "must shortly come to pass".

Translation requires context. You cannot take a word from a lexicon without knowing the context.

But I am not an expert in Greek, so I have to work with the translations.
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throw that out and get the Urantia Book. its not just translations, it deliberate corruption and also even those apostles, most of them were confused. Paul was terrible.
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throw that out and get the Urantia Book. its not just translations, it deliberate corruption and also even those apostles, most of them were confused. Paul was terrible.
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Matthew was a real bitch.
Mark was a shirt lifter.
Luke was a STD carrier.
John was a Bildenburger.
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In terms of content, the structure of Revelation is built around four successive groups of seven: the messages to the seven churches, the seven seals, the seven trumpets, and finally, the seven bowl judgments.The repeated occurrence of the number seven contributes to the overall unity of Revelation. While several numbers stand out: 3, 4, 7, 10, 12, 24, 144, 1000, the number seven appears to have a special significance. In fact, there are twenty-four distinct occurrences of the use of "seven."Seven is considered the number of perfection in Christianity.
One half of seven, 3½, is also a conspicuous number in Revelation: two witnesses are given power to prophesy 1,260 days, or exactly 3½ years, according to the Hebrew year of 360 days; the witnesses are then killed, and their dead bodies lie in the streets of Jerusalem for 3½ days; the "woman clothed with the sun" is protected in the wilderness for 1,260 days, or 3½ years;Gentiles tread the holy city underfoot for 42 months, or 3½ years;and the beast is given authority to continue for 42 months, or 3½ years.
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I have to ask: Why only 4 groups of 7 instead of 7 groups of 7?
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We will get back with you when the Mark of the Beast is put in place
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We will get back with you when the Mark of the Beast is put in place
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You already have it, your social security number.
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We will get back with you when the Mark of the Beast is put in place
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You already have it, your social security number.
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Actually, the Mark of the Beast is a pledge of loyalty, a "sealing" into the kingdom of the Beast. So it has to be voluntary and be the Beast's ID, not ours. IMHO.
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And the book of Urania is the truth? By whoms authority?
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They do not even know who the author is. It could have been Satan himself. Fools!
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the author is MANY. the book was given by many beings thru a sleeping prophet. Much as Edgar Cayce's works. Edgar did not give those, he vacated his body and others came thru him. Ditto the works by Dolores Cannon.

Satan was already removed from this world when the UB was given.
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Oh like a Medium? Pity that is against the Law of God. FAIL!!!

Leviticus 19:31

“Do not turn to mediums or necromancers; do not seek them out, and so make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God.


Leviticus 20:27

“A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.”
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And the book of Urania is the truth? By whoms authority?
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They do not even know who the author is. It could have been Satan himself. Fools!
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the author is MANY. the book was given by many beings thru a sleeping prophet. Much as Edgar Cayce's works. Edgar did not give those, he vacated his body and others came thru him. Ditto the works by Dolores Cannon.

Satan was already removed from this world when the UB was given.
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Oh like a Medium? Pity that is against the Law of God. FAIL!!!

Leviticus 19:31

“Do not turn to mediums or necromancers; do not seek them out, and so make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God.


Leviticus 20:27

“A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.”
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Before the prophets were called prophets they were called seers. They were not invocking spirit of the deads.
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other revelations:

..The seven adjutants have been given the following names: the spirit of wisdom, the spirit of worship, the spirit of counsel, the spirit of knowledge, the spirit of courage, the spirit of understanding, the spirit of intuition — of quick perception.

(378.5) 34:4.11 These are the “seven spirits of God,” “like lamps burning before the throne,” which the prophet saw in the symbols of vision.

But he did not see the seats of the four and twenty sentinels about these seven adjutant mind-spirits.

This record represents the confusion of two presentations, one pertaining to the universe headquarters and the other to the system capital.


The seats of the four and twenty elders are on Jerusem, the headquarters of your local system of inhabited worlds.

(378.6) 34:4.12 But it was of Salvington that John wrote:

“And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices” — the universe broadcasts to the local systems.

He also envisaged the directional control creatures of the local universe, the living compasses of the headquarters world.

This directional control in Nebadon is maintained by the four control creatures of Salvington, who operate over the universe currents and are ably assisted by the first functioning mind-spirit, the adjutant of intuition, the spirit of “quick understanding.

” But the description of these four creatures — called beasts — has been sadly marred; they are of unparalleled beauty and exquisite form.
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... your future, Urantia:

Revelation 22:18 ... if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
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The fact of this statement in Revelations proves the bible has been changed and manipulated. Otherwise they would not have to threaten someone not to do it.
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(534.7) 47:4.3 As you ascend the mansion worlds one by one, they become more crowded with the morontia activities of advancing survivors.

As you go forward, you will recognize more and more of the Jerusem features added to the mansion worlds.

The sea of glass makes its appearance on the second mansonia.
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Either the translators IGNORE the lexicons (I use the Liddel/Scott, well-regarded by linguists) and follow instead the KJV, or you're wrong.
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Also the KJV: "must shortly come to pass".

Translation requires context. You cannot take a word from a lexicon without knowing the context.

But I am not an expert in Greek, so I have to work with the translations.
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you may work with translations, but you have no ability for critical thinking or true desire to understand the truth. You are what the scriptures call "willfully ignorant".

"shortly come to pass" does not mean what you think it means, and it has already come to pass... but you do not care about that, you only want to spew your hate and ignorance.
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the book of revelation talks strictly about
government...aka beast
religion...aka false prophet
and the mark, or allegiance to these two systems
oh and lets not forget MONEY...thats the mark for you

the new world will be without governments, money, and religion.

can not anyone see thats the problem.
we keep repeating the same crap over and over

well for those who know this
freedom is in the air

but im no one so believe what you want
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You are completely wrong... that is not at all what the Book of Revelation is about!
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Either the translators IGNORE the lexicons (I use the Liddel/Scott, well-regarded by linguists) and follow instead the KJV, or you're wrong.
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Also the KJV: "must shortly come to pass".

Translation requires context. You cannot take a word from a lexicon without knowing the context.

But I am not an expert in Greek, so I have to work with the translations.
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you may work with translations, but you have no ability for critical thinking or true desire to understand the truth. You are what the scriptures call "willfully ignorant".

"shortly come to pass" does not mean what you think it means, and it has already come to pass... but you do not care about that, you only want to spew your hate and ignorance.
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Few people are willfully ignorant. I think that the predictions in Revelations are vague, so they can be applied on multiple events. The same is true for the predictions of Nostradamus. I know who the Bride of Christ was and will be, so calling me ignorant is far of the mark.

I do think the End of Times is near, but that is based on other arguments such as the fact current developments will lead to an unprecedented disaster within a few decades, and because I did get a message from God indicating that the time is near.

Prophecies can only have a limited value. Prophecies often do not come true, but they come true more often than could be expected by mere chance, indicating that the order of the universe is intended. Prophecies are often vague, leaving it up to imaginative minds to map prophecies on events. With the benefit of hindsight some prophecies came true, but often in a way people did not expect on beforehand.

Prophecies cannot be clear and exact by definition. If we did know the future then we will influence the future in such a way that something else will happen. For example: if I did know that I would have a car accident tomorrow, I would remain at home tomorrow. For this reason God must deceive us in order not to reveal the plan.

You have a logical necessity of deception here, so if you still call me willfully ignorant then you are willfully ignorant yourself. That is why I called people who take Revelation too seriously "deluded souls". It was not hate but based this argument that is compelling to me.

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And the book of Urania is the truth? By whoms authority?
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They do not even know who the author is. It could have been Satan himself. Fools!
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the author is MANY. the book was given by many beings thru a sleeping prophet. Much as Edgar Cayce's works. Edgar did not give those, he vacated his body and others came thru him. Ditto the works by Dolores Cannon.

Satan was already removed from this world when the UB was given.
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Oh like a Medium? Pity that is against the Law of God. FAIL!!!

Leviticus 19:31

“Do not turn to mediums or necromancers; do not seek them out, and so make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God.


Leviticus 20:27

“A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.”
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So you believe your supposedly loving GOD agreed with Sharia law and was happy for people to be stoned?

I guess that means you would support Sharia law?

To quote that GOD would approve of stonings is an insult to a loving GOD.

Wakey! Wakey!
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... your future, Urantia:

Revelation 22:18 ... if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
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^^ THIS ^^
Uranus you are playing with fire. There is a standing curse placed on this book and by posting in a public forum that things were lost you are adding to the Book and cursing yourself bigtime.

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Few people are willfully ignorant.
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You are incorrect... most people are willfully ignorant; for we live in the times of great deception, and most people are spiritually lazy and will accept the lies presented to them instead of doing honest study to discover the truth.

I think that the predictions in Revelations are vague, so they can be applied on multiple events. The same is true for the predictions of Nostradamus. I know who the Bride of Christ was and will be, so calling me ignorant is far of the mark.
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Your problem is you think you understand Revelation, but in reality you have no understanding whatsoever.

The "predictions" in Revelation are not vague at all. In fact they are extremely clear and easily determined. I am curious who who think "the bride of Christ will be" because that comment alone suggest YOU are way off the mark.

I do think the End of Times is near, but that is based on other arguments such as the fact current developments will lead to an unprecedented disaster within a few decades, and because I did get a message from God indicating that the time is near.
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This is an absolute lie, so I will not answer it.

Prophecies can only have a limited value. Prophecies often do not come true, but they come true more often than could be expected by mere chance, indicating that the order of the universe is intended. Prophecies are often vague, leaving it up to imaginative minds to map prophecies on events. With the benefit of hindsight some prophecies came true, but often in a way people did not expect on beforehand.

Prophecies cannot be clear and exact by definition. If we did know the future then we will influence the future in such a way that something else will happen. For example: if I did know that I would have a car accident tomorrow, I would remain at home tomorrow. For this reason God must deceive us in order not to reveal the plan.
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Your comments here are totally absurd and make no logical sense. You do not seem to even have a vague grasp of the nature of God.

You have a logical necessity of deception here, so if you still call me willfully ignorant then you are willfully ignorant yourself. That is why I called people who take Revelation too seriously "deluded souls". It was not hate but based this argument that is compelling to me.
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You are profoundly deceived, and you have your ego firmly tied to your false notions. Thus, it will be difficult for you to be open to truth and facts because your ego will reject anything that is in opposition to your misunderstandings and lack of knowledge about God and the scriptures.

I am sorry, but you know essentially nothing of the truth and have no understanding of the Book of Revelation.
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Wasn't John high on mushrooms when he had his visions on Patmos? Sure is interesting though
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I am sorry, but you know essentially nothing of the truth and have no understanding of the Book of Revelation.
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I do not believe people that claim to know the truth about the Book of Revelation. The book has been written down 1,830 years ago in a specific tradtion of prophecies. More similar prophecies were made that did not end up in the canon. It was at least the will of God that only this prophecy ended up in the canon, so maybe it is special. But really, people that think "they know everything about the truth" must be delusional as even Jesus did not know when the time will come. I have reason to believe it is soon, but I cannot be sure about that.

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Re: The truth about the book of Revelation.
The books of the Bible have proven inspiration from God the creator who we have known as Jesus.


1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him, to show to his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel to his servant John:
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23970153


1,830 years is a long time since it was written, and "shortly come to pass" has already passed.

So why do people take Revelation seriously? Well, they do because it accidentally ended up in the canon.

Otherwise they would have said that John was posessed by a daemon, just like they say of Nostradamus.
 Quoting: niphtrique


1 Corinthians 10:11
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

God will not be mocked God does not change and encase any one says it is different with Christ...they have been warned about it even in Christ.
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

No one can even think they are the elect or they are the chosen ones so they can defy God.

The same judgment applies unto even those who refuse the invitation and the Truth and this goes for apostates.

There is no excuse to cast off the warning exhortation given unto us when the time comes for us to receive exactly what we have been shown and told.

Not the natural branch not the grafted branch...that is casting of the Spirit of the fear of The Lord God.
to do this when there are seven Spirits we lose the wisdom and the knowledge will be cast off as not for us....but these will dwindle away more and more fainter and fainter until the candle is removed.......we will be spewed out of Him Who Is the Light of even Life and be spewed out into Darkness cast out into this darkness to remain there.....reserved unto judgment..

when wisdom is lost we become as fools foolish...even virgins...makes no difference we shall be held accountable for what we retained....and for what bounds we cast off. we cast of in earth it shall be cast off in heaven as well..no no way would I play Russian roulette with my soul.

No I will not become foolish to the point of my comfort to be rid of any fear of God and such for that fear of the Lord God is what keeps me bound to Him.
It is not a fear to punish us but keep us bound to Him for mercy and salvation and Life.

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