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I will actually be firing employees at year end to get under the minimum number so that I am not included in Obamacare. Good honest people that work hard and earn their pay.

If Obama wins in November, unemployment is going to shoot through the roof.

OP, I would not quit a good paying job in this economy - it is going to get much worse if Obama wins. It will be next to impossible to find another that pays nearly as well - supply and demand...
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That ^^^ there are going to be a lot of 49 employee companies.

Companies with more will split or spin off sections so they will do business with each other and have only 49 employees in each section...err...company.
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Yes, until they lower the quota to 39... 29...19...10....
YOU ARE OBLIGATED BY LAW TO BUY INTO NATIONAL INSURANCE.

Unless it's repealed, it will happen. When have any of us known any legislature that does not love playing with our money?
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I currently have health insurance with my company. It's a pretty good plan as health insurance plans go, I have heard of worse for sure.

My cost right now is $370 per month to cover myself and my entire family (split over two checks at $185 per check). The company-paid part of our insurance cost the company $15,500 per year, per employee (somewhat less for individuals only but not by much).

I am friends with the HR person as XYZ Corp (not the real name obviously) and this person told me that the company is seriously considering taking the $2000 per employee tax hit for not offering coverage, thereby forcing all of us into the government plan. In their words - "Yeah, this would suck and the coverage would not be nearly as good, but the company would save over $10,000 per employee."

My company has 86 employees. That's $860,000 per year the company would save by forcing us into Obamacare.

Many of us employees have talked about this and even considered walking off the job to at least demand most of the savings back in the form of an increase in pay (since it costs the company XX dollars to employ each of us already) but with the economy as bad as it is, it's risky. Mind you most of us are highly skilled and qualified and the company would take a huge productivity hit if we walked - but then again, saving $860,000 per year - maybe they could absorb it.

I firmly believe that Obamacare, and the current economic situation, are playing hand-in-hand intentionally.

Why did the Dems/Liberals pass Obamacare? To serve their constituents and give them freebies.

Why did the Reps/Conservatives pass Obamacare? To save their fat cat constituents money and pad their wallets.

We can't win with this shit.

Oh well, at least it'll be fun in the "end of days" when all these people are standing in judgement and have to justify themselves. That'll be fun.
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As long as you have good health insurance fuck everyone else..boo fuckin hoo
You people are selfish fucking retards. We will see whose ass burns come judgement day...glass house living bitches
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If you are on GLP and done enough research, well doctors aren't exactly your best friend and there's a cure for everything.... so why don't you opt out of any insurance and just be healthy? I haven't had health insurance for 2 years now and eating healthy and taking vitamins... doctors are worthless and just wanna take your money for dumb stuff that is curable without them going in and messing it up more for you becoming dependent on their worthless prescriptions that keep you staying sick with the band-aid method. WAKE THE FUCK UP YOU DON'T NEED THEM OR THEIR INSURANCE. just saying. its really upsetting to me.
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Yeah and when a bus hits you, what then?

Shut up idiot. You can't rely on excellent health.
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lol if a bus hits me, i would be dead and wouldn't need health care either way.. if I NEED to go to the hospital i would pay out of pocket because most stuff like that isn't covered anyways but duh just don't get hit by a bus... don't be stupid basically... I haven't had any problems in the past 2 years and haven't paid a cent to health insurance... so who is the idiot now? handing out your money to people you don't even know shame shame everyone knows your name lol
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If you are on GLP and done enough research, well doctors aren't exactly your best friend and there's a cure for everything.... so why don't you opt out of any insurance and just be healthy? I haven't had health insurance for 2 years now and eating healthy and taking vitamins... doctors are worthless and just wanna take your money for dumb stuff that is curable without them going in and messing it up more for you becoming dependent on their worthless prescriptions that keep you staying sick with the band-aid method. WAKE THE FUCK UP YOU DON'T NEED THEM OR THEIR INSURANCE. just saying. its really upsetting to me.
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agreed. haven't been to the doctors in 10 years and perfectly healthy. insurance is scam as well as doctors. learn to be independent not dependent. the moment you believe you can't do something you'll get scammed.

money = greed = lies = death
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What the fuck is wrong with America?

There are so many systems up and running around the world and these work fine no one is unhappy.

There is no excuse for the US to introducing a system that is flawed.

Here is how it should work ...

Tax cigarettes and alcohol heavily. These fuck wits use up most of the health budget so should pay more.

Tax everyone in their general taxes, not a special tax.

The state owns the hospitals, not private rip off companies.
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So I don't know much about obummer care

We are a family of 6. My husband is a plumber self employed. I don't work not able. We don't get any aid from the government in fact we owe them 20 grand in taxes. How much will we have to pay , does anyone know? Thanks

Edit. If we are even still alive. What happens in war time? Same obamacare?

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If you are on GLP and done enough research, well doctors aren't exactly your best friend and there's a cure for everything.... so why don't you opt out of any insurance and just be healthy? I haven't had health insurance for 2 years now and eating healthy and taking vitamins... doctors are worthless and just wanna take your money for dumb stuff that is curable without them going in and messing it up more for you becoming dependent on their worthless prescriptions that keep you staying sick with the band-aid method. WAKE THE FUCK UP YOU DON'T NEED THEM OR THEIR INSURANCE. just saying. its really upsetting to me.
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agreed. haven't been to the doctors in 10 years and perfectly healthy. insurance is scam as well as doctors. learn to be independent not dependent. the moment you believe you can't do something you'll get scammed.

money = greed = lies = death
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yes thank you at least someone is on my side, and if they force me to pay into the national insurance i'll just tell them it's against my "religion" lmao can't argue with that now CAN THEY?????
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Its never going away. Period. We have to lean to live with it
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if you are a politician, a muslim or a scientologist you will be exempt

or so I've heard
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ya, sure, only white christians have to pay, right?

Don't make yourself ridiculous.
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no..

just everyone who isn't a muslim, scientologist or politician

Islam, Scientology and the NWO are in bed with each other

Thread: Muslims do NOT have to buy the new health care.

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President Obama has created 4.4 million private sector jobs. He has brought this economy back from the brink and he has not had much help. It is time to continue the journey "forward" folks. He will cut the deficit in his second term and continue this robust job growth and keep the economic recovery going.
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I currently have health insurance with my company. It's a pretty good plan as health insurance plans go, I have heard of worse for sure.

My cost right now is $370 per month to cover myself and my entire family (split over two checks at $185 per check). The company-paid part of our insurance cost the company $15,500 per year, per employee (somewhat less for individuals only but not by much).

I am friends with the HR person as XYZ Corp (not the real name obviously) and this person told me that the company is seriously considering taking the $2000 per employee tax hit for not offering coverage, thereby forcing all of us into the government plan. In their words - "Yeah, this would suck and the coverage would not be nearly as good, but the company would save over $10,000 per employee."

My company has 86 employees. That's $860,000 per year the company would save by forcing us into Obamacare.

Many of us employees have talked about this and even considered walking off the job to at least demand most of the savings back in the form of an increase in pay (since it costs the company XX dollars to employ each of us already) but with the economy as bad as it is, it's risky. Mind you most of us are highly skilled and qualified and the company would take a huge productivity hit if we walked - but then again, saving $860,000 per year - maybe they could absorb it.

I firmly believe that Obamacare, and the current economic situation, are playing hand-in-hand intentionally.

Why did the Dems/Liberals pass Obamacare? To serve their constituents and give them freebies.

Why did the Reps/Conservatives pass Obamacare? To save their fat cat constituents money and pad their wallets.

We can't win with this shit.

Oh well, at least it'll be fun in the "end of days" when all these people are standing in judgement and have to justify themselves. That'll be fun.
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but what does that say of your company. They are already paying for benefits so why do what they are thinking of doing? Ya know why, pure greed. They are no different from the wall street thieves.
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It's called human nature. All corporations seek maximum profit. It's called capitalism. They provided health insurance before, but now they don't have to because if they pay the lesser penalty, all those employees will be forced to buy their own. The companies know OBC will force premiums up, so they are getting out while the getting is good.

Liberal laws are always based on the premise that government can overcome human nature. Ultimately it takes the KGB to do that, and that is where we are headed.
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I guess I will claim I'm a scientology Muslim.
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I currently have health insurance with my company. It's a pretty good plan as health insurance plans go, I have heard of worse for sure.

My cost right now is $370 per month to cover myself and my entire family (split over two checks at $185 per check). The company-paid part of our insurance cost the company $15,500 per year, per employee (somewhat less for individuals only but not by much).

I am friends with the HR person as XYZ Corp (not the real name obviously) and this person told me that the company is seriously considering taking the $2000 per employee tax hit for not offering coverage, thereby forcing all of us into the government plan. In their words - "Yeah, this would suck and the coverage would not be nearly as good, but the company would save over $10,000 per employee."

My company has 86 employees. That's $860,000 per year the company would save by forcing us into Obamacare.

Many of us employees have talked about this and even considered walking off the job to at least demand most of the savings back in the form of an increase in pay (since it costs the company XX dollars to employ each of us already) but with the economy as bad as it is, it's risky. Mind you most of us are highly skilled and qualified and the company would take a huge productivity hit if we walked - but then again, saving $860,000 per year - maybe they could absorb it.

I firmly believe that Obamacare, and the current economic situation, are playing hand-in-hand intentionally.

Why did the Dems/Liberals pass Obamacare? To serve their constituents and give them freebies.

Why did the Reps/Conservatives pass Obamacare? To save their fat cat constituents money and pad their wallets.

We can't win with this shit.

Oh well, at least it'll be fun in the "end of days" when all these people are standing in judgement and have to justify themselves. That'll be fun.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461956


They would not be saving $860,000 a year. They already get a 66% tax break on what they pay for your Health Insurance. Which means they only pay a third of that cost now. Employers love to tell you what they pay they just seem to forget the tax break they are getting.
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I currently have health insurance with my company. It's a pretty good plan as health insurance plans go, I have heard of worse for sure.

My cost right now is $370 per month to cover myself and my entire family (split over two checks at $185 per check). The company-paid part of our insurance cost the company $15,500 per year, per employee (somewhat less for individuals only but not by much).

I am friends with the HR person as XYZ Corp (not the real name obviously) and this person told me that the company is seriously considering taking the $2000 per employee tax hit for not offering coverage, thereby forcing all of us into the government plan. In their words - "Yeah, this would suck and the coverage would not be nearly as good, but the company would save over $10,000 per employee."

My company has 86 employees. That's $860,000 per year the company would save by forcing us into Obamacare.

Many of us employees have talked about this and even considered walking off the job to at least demand most of the savings back in the form of an increase in pay (since it costs the company XX dollars to employ each of us already) but with the economy as bad as it is, it's risky. Mind you most of us are highly skilled and qualified and the company would take a huge productivity hit if we walked - but then again, saving $860,000 per year - maybe they could absorb it.

I firmly believe that Obamacare, and the current economic situation, are playing hand-in-hand intentionally.

Why did the Dems/Liberals pass Obamacare? To serve their constituents and give them freebies.

Why did the Reps/Conservatives pass Obamacare? To save their fat cat constituents money and pad their wallets.

We can't win with this shit.

Oh well, at least it'll be fun in the "end of days" when all these people are standing in judgement and have to justify themselves. That'll be fun.
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Forget politics, its no point. It will not change by election, only by collapsing on itself.

Doesnt help talking to vegetables. People will have to suffer. Ive tried to talk sense into people but they dont listen. Im tired of it, i just chat about this here basically and a couple of close friends that have a vague idea of what goes on, noone else, everything else i do is im trying hard to convince my family to bind interest on their debt for 10 years.

So protect your own economy and take care of yourself the best you can, let the sheep go to slaughter. they deserve it, flock mentality will be a bad survival strategy in the years to come and many will probably die because of it, but if they havent figured things out by now, they kind of get what they deserve.

Just make sure you can take care of yourself and your family and forget the rest of the population.
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President Obama has created 4.4 million private sector jobs. He has brought this economy back from the brink and he has not had much help. It is time to continue the journey "forward" folks. He will cut the deficit in his second term and continue this robust job growth and keep the economic recovery going.
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Why did the Dems/Liberals pass Obamacare? To serve their constituents and give them freebies.

Why did the Reps/Conservatives pass Obamacare? To save their fat cat constituents money and pad their wallets.

We can't win with this shit.

Oh well, at least it'll be fun in the "end of days" when all these people are standing in judgement and have to justify themselves. That'll be fun.
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Why would you say that the Republicans passed obamacare? NOT ONE REPUBLICAN VOTED IN THE HOUSE FOR IT AND NOT ONE REPUBLICAN VOTED IN THE SENATE FOR IT! It was passed solely by Democrats. And the House has voted more than 30 times to repeal it.

Not even Olympia Snowe voted for it.

You're just as bad as MessNBC.

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President Obama has created 4.4 million private sector jobs. He has brought this economy back from the brink and he has not had much help. It is time to continue the journey "forward" folks. He will cut the deficit in his second term and continue this robust job growth and keep the economic recovery going.
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I heard my former company told all future retirees you will not receive any medical insurance even though they were just paying a small amount of it. There was also something else they will cut for future retirees. I think it something about 401k.
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Wait till you see all those gray haired protestors .
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President Obama has created 4.4 million private sector jobs. He has brought this economy back from the brink and he has not had much help. It is time to continue the journey "forward" folks. He will cut the deficit in his second term and continue this robust job growth and keep the economic recovery going.
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What frigin planet are you living on. Unplug the boob tube and go have some real conversations with some real people and learn the real truth.
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President Obama has created 4.4 million private sector jobs. He has brought this economy back from the brink and he has not had much help. It is time to continue the journey "forward" folks. He will cut the deficit in his second term and continue this robust job growth and keep the economic recovery going.
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Man oh man, this would be nice....but I just do not see this happening.
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I guess I will claim I'm a scientology Muslim.
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I currently have health insurance with my company. It's a pretty good plan as health insurance plans go, I have heard of worse for sure.

My cost right now is $370 per month to cover myself and my entire family (split over two checks at $185 per check). The company-paid part of our insurance cost the company $15,500 per year, per employee (somewhat less for individuals only but not by much).

I am friends with the HR person as XYZ Corp (not the real name obviously) and this person told me that the company is seriously considering taking the $2000 per employee tax hit for not offering coverage, thereby forcing all of us into the government plan. In their words - "Yeah, this would suck and the coverage would not be nearly as good, but the company would save over $10,000 per employee."

My company has 86 employees. That's $860,000 per year the company would save by forcing us into Obamacare.

Many of us employees have talked about this and even considered walking off the job to at least demand most of the savings back in the form of an increase in pay (since it costs the company XX dollars to employ each of us already) but with the economy as bad as it is, it's risky. Mind you most of us are highly skilled and qualified and the company would take a huge productivity hit if we walked - but then again, saving $860,000 per year - maybe they could absorb it.

I firmly believe that Obamacare, and the current economic situation, are playing hand-in-hand intentionally.

Why did the Dems/Liberals pass Obamacare? To serve their constituents and give them freebies.

Why did the Reps/Conservatives pass Obamacare? To save their fat cat constituents money and pad their wallets.

We can't win with this shit.

Oh well, at least it'll be fun in the "end of days" when all these people are standing in judgement and have to justify themselves. That'll be fun.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461956



I'm confused by this part of your post:

"Why did the Reps/Conservatives pass Obamacare? To save their fat cat constituents money and pad their wallets."


What confuses me is I don't believe a single Republican voted for Obamacare....am I wrong?
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I'm a conservative (not necessarily Republican anymore), but I have a very strong feeling that obamacare will not be repealed even if Mitt wins. There is too much money already invested on the changeover, and the savings to large corporations in particular will be immense per the above.

In fact, I would not be too surprised if the repubs intentionally put themselves in a position so as not to pass any form of repeal.

Heard anything much about the equally important Senate races in the media, or from either party for that matter? You know, what absolutely MUST be won by a significant margin if we hope to succeed in reversing the damage done by the traitors?

Didn't think so.
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None of this matters one bit! Romney will never get ride of it we are stuck FOREVER paying for this.

Bitch and moan all you want! In the end YOU are paying for this
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if you company thought it could get away with not offering it's employees health insurance coverage why does it offer them now? answer is it realizes it has to in order to compete for your skilled labor and will continue to do so, obamacare or not.
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Bullshit AC! It is now a financial decision for employers.
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Though I understand Americans hate change, here is what we have in New Zealand.

We are taxed to pay for the free hospitals and free doctors to under six year olds and subsidized doctors visits for the poor.

I am sure this is costing way less than you're currently paying at the moment.

We do not have anybody waiting in an ambulance for medical care while they sort out the insurance.

There is private insurance if you want it but the public system will get you most things.

I find it a comfort that if I get sick all I have to do is get to the hospital, of course they will come and pick me up if I ring for an ambulance.

I think your current system stinks, lots of people there can't afford health care.

Your system needs to change. I bet insurance companies are making a killing?
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That sounds like NY State pre-Obama care.. except post-Obama care.. we are expecting massive shortages of doctors.

Right now, nobody is turned away from the hospital for a medical emergency. If your poor, you can have medicaid/medicare + some private insurance. If your not poor and have no insurance, you receive a bill and depending on how frugal you were during your visit, you may or may not be able to afford it. Can't afford it and don't pay? Your credit reflects that.

However, those insurance coverage for the poor are changing rapidly as they phase out a broad range of covered prescriptions and surgeries.. its Obamacare taking effect.
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Re: Here is exactly how "Obamacare" will affect me and my family starting next year.....
Just because something is there as a new option doesn't mean the company has to do it. They could still carry on same as always. Apart from the Obamacare option, they could do things like force the employees to pay a larger portion of their insurance cost, or they could switch over to cheaper and inferior insurance options altogether. The only real problem here is the rising out-of-control costs of health insurance that causes companies to look for cheaper options.
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Re: Here is exactly how "Obamacare" will affect me and my family starting next year.....
President Obama has created 4.4 million private sector jobs. He has brought this economy back from the brink and he has not had much help. It is time to continue the journey "forward" folks. He will cut the deficit in his second term and continue this robust job growth and keep the economic recovery going.
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u maybe "notalib" but you sure are a kool-aid drinkin' sheep
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Re: Here is exactly how "Obamacare" will affect me and my family starting next year.....
I currently have health insurance with my company. It's a pretty good plan as health insurance plans go, I have heard of worse for sure.

My cost right now is $370 per month to cover myself and my entire family (split over two checks at $185 per check). The company-paid part of our insurance cost the company $15,500 per year, per employee (somewhat less for individuals only but not by much).

I am friends with the HR person as XYZ Corp (not the real name obviously) and this person told me that the company is seriously considering taking the $2000 per employee tax hit for not offering coverage, thereby forcing all of us into the government plan. In their words - "Yeah, this would suck and the coverage would not be nearly as good, but the company would save over $10,000 per employee."

My company has 86 employees. That's $860,000 per year the company would save by forcing us into Obamacare.

Many of us employees have talked about this and even considered walking off the job to at least demand most of the savings back in the form of an increase in pay (since it costs the company XX dollars to employ each of us already) but with the economy as bad as it is, it's risky. Mind you most of us are highly skilled and qualified and the company would take a huge productivity hit if we walked - but then again, saving $860,000 per year - maybe they could absorb it.

I firmly believe that Obamacare, and the current economic situation, are playing hand-in-hand intentionally.

Why did the Dems/Liberals pass Obamacare? To serve their constituents and give them freebies.

Why did the Reps/Conservatives pass Obamacare? To save their fat cat constituents money and pad their wallets.

We can't win with this shit.

Oh well, at least it'll be fun in the "end of days" when all these people are standing in judgement and have to justify themselves. That'll be fun.
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So what you're saying is that Obamacare is ***GREAT*** for businesses!!!

Wait .. wut?
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President Obama has created 4.4 million private sector jobs. He has brought this economy back from the brink and he has not had much help. It is time to continue the journey "forward" folks. He will cut the deficit in his second term and continue this robust job growth and keep the economic recovery going.
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let me be the first of many....bsflag

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