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Here is exactly how "Obamacare" will affect me and my family starting next year.....

 
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You know, as a descent person, I was reluctantly in favor of national healthcare; why? Well lets step up to the plate, it's just the right thing to do.

Now, I'm seriously conservative at heart and Libertarian but no way will I ever endorse the new neocon BullShit.

We didn't get national health care, we got something not beginning to come close, that in effect REDUCES our healthcare and charges us way more. I do suppose this is for those who actually work.

So whats happened is the Rich have found an avenue through the democrats to reduce THEIR burden on healthcare while transferring it to us the middle class while increasing profits to the healthcare industry (the same Rich previously mentioned)

Thats whats happened.

Just fucking great.

Think the Dems and Rebubs are any different? You must be a Moron!

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PS Vote Gary Johnson in protest or don't even bother.
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AGAIN NEVER A LAW TO HAVE INSURANCE FOR YOUR COMPANY. NEVER A TAX BREAK FOR HAVING INSURANCE FOR YOUR COMPANY. CAN STILL WRITE OFF INSURANCE FOR YOUR EMPLOYEES JUST LIKE YOU ALWAYS COULD. this post is retarded
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In case you didn't know, this post is about the effects of this healthcare scheme is effecting the OP.

And the healthcare scheme fundamentally changes the healthcare system in this country. It fundamentally changes patient and doctor relations.
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Insurance from any company is a luxury Obamacare does not change healthcare or how a company spends money for coverage.
It ONLY effect's company's that do not have insurance for their employees.

There was NEVER a Tax, Fee, or penalty Prior to Obamacare the only reason his company would be dropping insurance is because they can no longer afford it year long. It is something that you can get a tax write off for which makes it free to the business at the end of the year. What it tells me is OP's company is already afraid it will not make it that long.

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"Obamacare does not change healthcare" WTF are you smoking? If Obamacare (Obama Tax) didn't change healthcare, everyone would be for it! Free healthcare at state of the art health centers with the best doctors and little wait! Who wouldn't want that? Doctors would even want that because they'd still be getting paid THEIR FAIR SHARE. But it DOES change it and the methods used to require or be penalized is just plane scummy!
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Why did the Dems/Liberals pass Obamacare? To serve their constituents and give them freebies.

Why did the Reps/Conservatives pass Obamacare? To save their fat cat constituents money and pad their wallets.
we can't win with this shit.
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I watched senate debate late nights at time of health reform. Democrats and Republicans both are crooks. I was confused if Obama did something good for the middle class, but they all serve the Industrialist. They give a fuck about the middle class. I am retired Engineer from one of the big Auto and I am telling you when you can no longer able to work and see your family hurting, it will be hard to swallow. They all hide their profits with different schemes and make you believe that they are penny less. I want to say a lot and I would have given you proof. For example in 2009 GM filed for Bankruptcy here in USA but according to their internal Financial report they had 66 billion profits in china. There is no reason for them to throw their retirees under the bus or to cut the Medical Insurance of their families. They did it in ways that they were saving money. The present fight of shifting the Pension. GM is saving $ 26 Billion. What they did with Delphi, or other GM subsidiaries is the same. If you have 58 minutes to spare, I suggest to watch this video

Katherine Austin Fitts : Deliberate Implosion of the U.S. Economy (FL-HQ) 09/18/2011 05:40 PM
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People don't realize this. It happened to Teamsters long ago. The grocery chains did nothing but swap stores to try and screw um out of retirement. Unless they could find another teamster job, they got screwed.
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I currently have health insurance with my company. It's a pretty good plan as health insurance plans go, I have heard of worse for sure.

My cost right now is $370 per month to cover myself and my entire family (split over two checks at $185 per check). The company-paid part of our insurance cost the company $15,500 per year, per employee (somewhat less for individuals only but not by much).

I am friends with the HR person as XYZ Corp (not the real name obviously) and this person told me that the company is seriously considering taking the $2000 per employee tax hit for not offering coverage, thereby forcing all of us into the government plan. In their words - "Yeah, this would suck and the coverage would not be nearly as good, but the company would save over $10,000 per employee."

My company has 86 employees. That's $860,000 per year the company would save by forcing us into Obamacare.

Many of us employees have talked about this and even considered walking off the job to at least demand most of the savings back in the form of an increase in pay (since it costs the company XX dollars to employ each of us already) but with the economy as bad as it is, it's risky. Mind you most of us are highly skilled and qualified and the company would take a huge productivity hit if we walked - but then again, saving $860,000 per year - maybe they could absorb it.

I firmly believe that Obamacare, and the current economic situation, are playing hand-in-hand intentionally.

Why did the Dems/Liberals pass Obamacare? To serve their constituents and give them freebies.

Why did the Reps/Conservatives pass Obamacare? To save their fat cat constituents money and pad their wallets.

We can't win with this shit.

Oh well, at least it'll be fun in the "end of days" when all these people are standing in judgement and have to justify themselves. That'll be fun.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461956


Just one more example of a longstanding truth:

"When the government 'gives' ANYTHING, it ALWAYS takes a lot more away."
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plain^ scummy.
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I currently have health insurance with my company. It's a pretty good plan as health insurance plans go, I have heard of worse for sure.

My cost right now is $370 per month to cover myself and my entire family (split over two checks at $185 per check). The company-paid part of our insurance cost the company $15,500 per year, per employee (somewhat less for individuals only but not by much).

I am friends with the HR person as XYZ Corp (not the real name obviously) and this person told me that the company is seriously considering taking the $2000 per employee tax hit for not offering coverage, thereby forcing all of us into the government plan. In their words - "Yeah, this would suck and the coverage would not be nearly as good, but the company would save over $10,000 per employee."

My company has 86 employees. That's $860,000 per year the company would save by forcing us into Obamacare.

Many of us employees have talked about this and even considered walking off the job to at least demand most of the savings back in the form of an increase in pay (since it costs the company XX dollars to employ each of us already) but with the economy as bad as it is, it's risky. Mind you most of us are highly skilled and qualified and the company would take a huge productivity hit if we walked - but then again, saving $860,000 per year - maybe they could absorb it.

I firmly believe that Obamacare, and the current economic situation, are playing hand-in-hand intentionally.

Why did the Dems/Liberals pass Obamacare? To serve their constituents and give them freebies.

Why did the Reps/Conservatives pass Obamacare? To save their fat cat constituents money and pad their wallets.

We can't win with this shit.

Oh well, at least it'll be fun in the "end of days" when all these people are standing in judgement and have to justify themselves. That'll be fun.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461956



I'm confused by this part of your post:

"Why did the Reps/Conservatives pass Obamacare? To save their fat cat constituents money and pad their wallets."


What confuses me is I don't believe a single Republican voted for Obamacare....am I wrong?
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No, you are correct.
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the bottom line is we are getting screwed over as usual. nothing will be FREE. people who think they are going to get anything for FREE got another thing coming. get ready for the screwing of your life. this is all about money and how the crooks can get in our pockets. oh, and good luck finding anybody to treat you. we dont even have enough doctors or nurse practioners. enjoy the long lines. this will be a miserable failure.
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the bottom line is we are getting screwed over as usual. nothing will be FREE. people who think they are going to get anything for FREE got another thing coming. get ready for the screwing of your life. this is all about money and how the crooks can get in our pockets. oh, and good luck finding anybody to treat you. we dont even have enough doctors or nurse practioners. enjoy the long lines. this will be a miserable failure.
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Not only that, they took over 700 billion dollars out of Medicare.

It costs doctors money to see patients now. They don't get paid. They PAY to see patients now.

There is going to be a LOT of pissed off old people not getting any medical care. Doctors cannot afford to pay money to see patients. It was bad enough seeing them for free.
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Not one Rep voted for the bill...they didn't need to...the Dems had total control of both houses at the time...there was no stopping it...

[link to www.govtrack.us]

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Well, We the People could have stopped it, but sadly many fear persecution from government if they speak against the intellectual wishes of their law makers.

Many aren't smart enough to understand what is happening. Which is why we should never have let government centralize our education system.
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I currently have health insurance with my company. It's a pretty good plan as health insurance plans go, I have heard of worse for sure.

My cost right now is $370 per month to cover myself and my entire family (split over two checks at $185 per check). The company-paid part of our insurance cost the company $15,500 per year, per employee (somewhat less for individuals only but not by much).

I am friends with the HR person as XYZ Corp (not the real name obviously) and this person told me that the company is seriously considering taking the $2000 per employee tax hit for not offering coverage, thereby forcing all of us into the government plan. In their words - "Yeah, this would suck and the coverage would not be nearly as good, but the company would save over $10,000 per employee."

My company has 86 employees. That's $860,000 per year the company would save by forcing us into Obamacare.

Many of us employees have talked about this and even considered walking off the job to at least demand most of the savings back in the form of an increase in pay (since it costs the company XX dollars to employ each of us already) but with the economy as bad as it is, it's risky. Mind you most of us are highly skilled and qualified and the company would take a huge productivity hit if we walked - but then again, saving $860,000 per year - maybe they could absorb it.

I firmly believe that Obamacare, and the current economic situation, are playing hand-in-hand intentionally.

Why did the Dems/Liberals pass Obamacare? To serve their constituents and give them freebies.

Why did the Reps/Conservatives pass Obamacare? To save their fat cat constituents money and pad their wallets.

We can't win with this shit.

Oh well, at least it'll be fun in the "end of days" when all these people are standing in judgement and have to justify themselves. That'll be fun.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461956

Right now, if they yank that bennie out from under you, they are saving $15,500 year per employee. They are not currently under any obligation to provide you with any coverage except to keep you around.

If they were going to screw you, why would they wait until there is a $2,00 per employee penalty when they could have been doing it all along?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24085591


Not sure if serious.....

The penalty didn't even exist until Obamacare.

Surely you knew that......

Obamacare now says by law you don't have to insure people but pay a penalty instead.

Before, insurance was tax deductible, and employees got the benefit 100% tax free.

Now, it's a tax, and it's cheaper to pay the penalty.
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


My employer used to take care of 100% but when ObamaCare took over the rates my company was paying went up dramatically. The company used to pay $12000/yr for my wife and me but under OBC the rates went to $18000/yr.

This rate increase was planned under OBC because it made allowance for insurance providers to raise the rates up to 40% until 2014 after which they would be forced to reduce the rates to an acceptable level.

The reasoning behind a 40% rate hike for 3 years is to force companies who provide a Platinum level of coverage for their employees to leverage them to reduce the level of coverage to a more modest amount. This fits in nicely with the premise of OBC; which is to provide mediocre coverage for all people and ensure that no one is getting elite level coverage without paying thru the nose for it.
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Except for Congressmen & Senators
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Well Well Well page 107 of the health care bill,If your a muzzzi you don't have to pay for it and there is no penalty for not getting it
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I posted a long time ago this is what companies were going to do.

The fine for AT&T would have amounted to $2,000 per employee, costing the company a grand total of $600 million a year. Maintaining benefits, meanwhile, will cost the firm some $4.6 billion.


So they can save 4 billion a year and tell employees to get their own coverage.

Just what did government Think companies were going to do??

Always the unintended consequences.......
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NOT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. absolutely exactly what they wanted to happen. this forces a large and ever growing number into the gov't health care plan-which will essentially be medicaid. hence the government will be able to control health care costs with death panels and multiple layers of bullshit to try to get patients drugs and prior auths for tests. this is EXACTLY what they want to happen. their lying bullshit about everyone being able to keep their healthcare and their doctors was exactly that
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Well Well Well page 107 of the health care bill,If your a muzzzi you don't have to pay for it and there is no penalty for not getting it
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Are you f?*cking serious? What's that shit?
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Its never going away. Period. We have to lean to live with it
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if you are a politician, a muslim or a scientologist you will be exempt

or so I've heard
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


ya, sure, only white christians have to pay, right?

Don't make yourself ridiculous.
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before you make an idiot of yourself, check to see just how many of the president's favored constituents are exempt from his damn healthcare law.
 Quoting: Davvi

Dhimmitude or something like that...as Muslims view insuance/tax as GAMBLING which it is


It is a demonstration of faithlessness....rebelling against the will of Allah...



I am not Muslim but I feel the same...


I do not trust thieves and liars to do the right thing. I also know they use orphans, psychiatric patients and elderly without relatives to test and do experimental procedures and medications...


Death panels is real

RFID "medically implantable device" is in their 4000 page nightmare


VA is govt run, any questions???


The Vets are fiven the planned treatment...if they do not agree they can ask for redress and it will be re considered...


However, in ObaMarx plan, there is no redress...If you do not like their planned treatment, too fking bad...


You will never meet the health czar...and they will keep that flavor throughout.

If you go to the ER you will see the ER doc...he will not contact your physician who understands your history...no, he will relay info to the new middleman doc...who you will not really communicate with...that Aclown will relay...and things will be missed and history will have a chance at being lost or mistranscribed etc...and once it is in the electronic record good luck if you need a correction...


It will be really bacd, far worst than the many VAs that had infestation, infection control issues, or missing supplies, shortages, etc


I have worked at VAs as PRN for over a decade and it is clear to me, as I did read that POS 'legislation' that the congressmen and women cannot even comprehend it but they passed it


sounds criminal to me


When I was involved in state legislation I never signed anything I would not stand behind and if I could not even be bothered to read it, I definitely would never sign such a thing. It is a travesty against all who need services


Congressmen and women need to be drug screened, as they push that onto the public...They also need to not receive free healthcare, and the best services...they should be under the same umbrella as the public...they are not leaders but REPRESENTATIVES or SENATORS, not gods or Titans....


They have feathered their nests, their cronies nests, and even conspired with pharma-industril-petrochemical-military complex....



Despicable!!!


They parade around like some kind of slave owners and they are not superior to the publc but try and convey laws forcing their 'elite' status while the people stand in free speech cages


F U Q U E. Them
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How many people here are aware that if a doctor misdiagnoses you, they pay a price for there poor care? If doctors do a poor job treating you, they won't be able to afford to practice and I believe that to be a good thing.

Besides, all they are are highly paid guessers.
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Isn't it just amazing that the sewer rat bastards in washington (and elsewhere) can make a "law" that strips our wallets and we can do nothing? Just because THEY SAY SO!!! If we don't pay we get penalized, jailed, fined...THIS IS COMMUNISM PEOPLE. What the hell is there about what's happened here that the average moron does not understand?
And...the libtards are rat sewer bastards as well...all they want to do is sit on they're asses...drink beer, smoke pot and watch tv. What the hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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exactly.

it's pretty sad too that so few believe in anything.

I know this is considered sort of gauche around here but Satan has truly taken over.

nothing but ugliness nowadays.
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I currently have health insurance with my company. It's a pretty good plan as health insurance plans go, I have heard of worse for sure.

My cost right now is $370 per month to cover myself and my entire family (split over two checks at $185 per check). The company-paid part of our insurance cost the company $15,500 per year, per employee (somewhat less for individuals only but not by much).

I am friends with the HR person as XYZ Corp (not the real name obviously) and this person told me that the company is seriously considering taking the $2000 per employee tax hit for not offering coverage, thereby forcing all of us into the government plan. In their words - "Yeah, this would suck and the coverage would not be nearly as good, but the company would save over $10,000 per employee."

My company has 86 employees. That's $860,000 per year the company would save by forcing us into Obamacare.

Many of us employees have talked about this and even considered walking off the job to at least demand most of the savings back in the form of an increase in pay (since it costs the company XX dollars to employ each of us already) but with the economy as bad as it is, it's risky. Mind you most of us are highly skilled and qualified and the company would take a huge productivity hit if we walked - but then again, saving $860,000 per year - maybe they could absorb it.

I firmly believe that Obamacare, and the current economic situation, are playing hand-in-hand intentionally.

Why did the Dems/Liberals pass Obamacare? To serve their constituents and give them freebies.

Why did the Reps/Conservatives pass Obamacare? To save their fat cat constituents money and pad their wallets.

We can't win with this shit.

Oh well, at least it'll be fun in the "end of days" when all these people are standing in judgement and have to justify themselves. That'll be fun.
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The entire purpose of Obamacare is to begin the process of destroying private healthcare insurance and force everyone onto a Government Plan. I am sure we will enjoy having people, who are incapable of balancing a checkbook, deciding what treatments you are allowed to have, when you are allowed to have them, and who will provide them. They will dictate how you must live to access the care and treatments avialable. If you smoke, eat sweets, or live in a manner contrary to "their" view of what is appropriate to the best interests of the collective, rest assured, at some point they will deny you treatment and you will be denied access even if you can pay out of pocket.

Of course, the people who gave you Obamacare have no skin in this game and have the absolute best care available 24/7/365 on our dime.
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Isn't it just amazing that the sewer rat bastards in washington (and elsewhere) can make a "law" that strips our wallets and we can do nothing? Just because THEY SAY SO!!! If we don't pay we get penalized, jailed, fined...THIS IS COMMUNISM PEOPLE. What the hell is there about what's happened here that the average moron does not understand?
And...the libtards are rat sewer bastards as well...all they want to do is sit on they're asses...drink beer, smoke pot and watch tv. What the hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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exactly.

it's pretty sad too that so few believe in anything.

I know this is considered sort of gauche around here but Satan has truly taken over.

nothing but ugliness nowadays.
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Yes ugly, Sacs of fu&king sh!t. The prozac drooling tv lovers.

Hideous monsters of cowardice and ignorance and fear.

Brainwashed through and through.

Willfully giving away all there power to the state.

Weaklings not deserving of a great Republic such as the one laid out by the framers of our Constitution.

Bring the fall hasten the collapse! Obama/Romney 2012

Puppet masters murdering for their secrets and depravity.
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I posted a long time ago this is what companies were going to do.

The fine for AT&T would have amounted to $2,000 per employee, costing the company a grand total of $600 million a year. Maintaining benefits, meanwhile, will cost the firm some $4.6 billion.


So they can save 4 billion a year and tell employees to get their own coverage.

Just what did government Think companies were going to do??

Always the unintended consequences.......
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Oh, no, I think this is exactly what this administration thought would happen. The idea is to eliminate any and all existing insurance companies forcing EVERYONE onto the mandated govt plan eventually.

May take them a few years but this is what is in their minds.

Once there are no private insurance companies left, bingo--totally socialized medicine.

But why oh why doesn't congress have to live under this welfare medicine the rest of us are going to be stuck with?

It it's good enough for us, why not for them?

And remember the lie about keeping your plan/doctor? I can't believe Obama said that with a straight face. Oh, wait. . .actually he was smirking evne then.

So much for no tax increase on the middle class, too! Biggest in history!
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Oh well, at least it'll be fun in the "end of days" when all these people are standing in judgement and have to justify themselves. That'll be fun.
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I don't think it will be fun, but it will be justice, and along with them the billions of others that have destroyed God's will and done evil in their lives will stand with them.
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How many people here are aware that if a doctor misdiagnoses you, they pay a price for there poor care? If doctors do a poor job treating you, they won't be able to afford to practice and I believe that to be a good thing.

Besides, all they are are highly paid guessers.
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Then you will be fine with the Nurse Practitioner or Physician's Assistant that you will get under Obamacare. It's already in the rural health clinics.

You won't see doctors much any more at all. And if you think this will result in BETTER care and not so many misdiagnosis, this is what you deserve.
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Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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You know, as a descent person, I was reluctantly in favor of national healthcare; why? Well lets step up to the plate, it's just the right thing to do.

Now, I'm seriously conservative at heart and Libertarian but no way will I ever endorse the new neocon BullShit.

We didn't get national health care, we got something not beginning to come close, that in effect REDUCES our healthcare and charges us way more. I do suppose this is for those who actually work.

So whats happened is the Rich have found an avenue through the democrats to reduce THEIR burden on healthcare while transferring it to us the middle class while increasing profits to the healthcare industry (the same Rich previously mentioned)

Thats whats happened.

Just fucking great.

Think the Dems and Rebubs are any different? You must be a Moron!

Frater

PS Vote Gary Johnson in protest or don't even bother.
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anyone who isn't a staunch conservative siding on the right is a socialist tard IMAO

good luck with your religious "conversion" IDIOT!

and your stupid (non-nonsensical) vote for your muzzie messiah
"If one understands that socialism is not a share-the-wealth programme, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of super-rich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead, it becomes logical, even the perfect tool of power-seeking megalomaniacs.

Communism or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite."

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I currently have health insurance with my company. It's a pretty good plan as health insurance plans go, I have heard of worse for sure.

My cost right now is $370 per month to cover myself and my entire family (split over two checks at $185 per check). The company-paid part of our insurance cost the company $15,500 per year, per employee (somewhat less for individuals only but not by much).

I am friends with the HR person as XYZ Corp (not the real name obviously) and this person told me that the company is seriously considering taking the $2000 per employee tax hit for not offering coverage, thereby forcing all of us into the government plan. In their words - "Yeah, this would suck and the coverage would not be nearly as good, but the company would save over $10,000 per employee."

My company has 86 employees. That's $860,000 per year the company would save by forcing us into Obamacare.

Many of us employees have talked about this and even considered walking off the job to at least demand most of the savings back in the form of an increase in pay (since it costs the company XX dollars to employ each of us already) but with the economy as bad as it is, it's risky. Mind you most of us are highly skilled and qualified and the company would take a huge productivity hit if we walked - but then again, saving $860,000 per year - maybe they could absorb it.

I firmly believe that Obamacare, and the current economic situation, are playing hand-in-hand intentionally.

Why did the Dems/Liberals pass Obamacare? To serve their constituents and give them freebies.

Why did the Reps/Conservatives pass Obamacare? To save their fat cat constituents money and pad their wallets.

We can't win with this shit.

Oh well, at least it'll be fun in the "end of days" when all these people are standing in judgement and have to justify themselves. That'll be fun.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461956



I'm confused by this part of your post:

"Why did the Reps/Conservatives pass Obamacare? To save their fat cat constituents money and pad their wallets."


What confuses me is I don't believe a single Republican voted for Obamacare....am I wrong?
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No, you are correct.
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the bottom line is we are getting screwed over as usual. nothing will be FREE. people who think they are going to get anything for FREE got another thing coming. get ready for the screwing of your life. this is all about money and how the crooks can get in our pockets. oh, and good luck finding anybody to treat you. we dont even have enough doctors or nurse practioners. enjoy the long lines. this will be a miserable failure.
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the bottom line is we are getting screwed over as usual. nothing will be FREE. people who think they are going to get anything for FREE got another thing coming. get ready for the screwing of your life. this is all about money and how the crooks can get in our pockets. oh, and good luck finding anybody to treat you. we dont even have enough doctors or nurse practioners. enjoy the long lines. this will be a miserable failure.
 Quoting: OVRANALYZE


Not only that, they took over 700 billion dollars out of Medicare.

It costs doctors money to see patients now. They don't get paid. They PAY to see patients now.

There is going to be a LOT of pissed off old people not getting any medical care. Doctors cannot afford to pay money to see patients. It was bad enough seeing them for free.
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Not one Rep voted for the bill...they didn't need to...the Dems had total control of both houses at the time...there was no stopping it...

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 Quoting: SHR


Well, We the People could have stopped it, but sadly many fear persecution from government if they speak against the intellectual wishes of their law makers.

Many aren't smart enough to understand what is happening. Which is why we should never have let government centralize our education system.
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I currently have health insurance with my company. It's a pretty good plan as health insurance plans go, I have heard of worse for sure.

My cost right now is $370 per month to cover myself and my entire family (split over two checks at $185 per check). The company-paid part of our insurance cost the company $15,500 per year, per employee (somewhat less for individuals only but not by much).

I am friends with the HR person as XYZ Corp (not the real name obviously) and this person told me that the company is seriously considering taking the $2000 per employee tax hit for not offering coverage, thereby forcing all of us into the government plan. In their words - "Yeah, this would suck and the coverage would not be nearly as good, but the company would save over $10,000 per employee."

My company has 86 employees. That's $860,000 per year the company would save by forcing us into Obamacare.

Many of us employees have talked about this and even considered walking off the job to at least demand most of the savings back in the form of an increase in pay (since it costs the company XX dollars to employ each of us already) but with the economy as bad as it is, it's risky. Mind you most of us are highly skilled and qualified and the company would take a huge productivity hit if we walked - but then again, saving $860,000 per year - maybe they could absorb it.

I firmly believe that Obamacare, and the current economic situation, are playing hand-in-hand intentionally.

Why did the Dems/Liberals pass Obamacare? To serve their constituents and give them freebies.

Why did the Reps/Conservatives pass Obamacare? To save their fat cat constituents money and pad their wallets.

We can't win with this shit.

Oh well, at least it'll be fun in the "end of days" when all these people are standing in judgement and have to justify themselves. That'll be fun.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461956

Right now, if they yank that bennie out from under you, they are saving $15,500 year per employee. They are not currently under any obligation to provide you with any coverage except to keep you around.

If they were going to screw you, why would they wait until there is a $2,00 per employee penalty when they could have been doing it all along?
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Not sure if serious.....

The penalty didn't even exist until Obamacare.

Surely you knew that......

Obamacare now says by law you don't have to insure people but pay a penalty instead.

Before, insurance was tax deductible, and employees got the benefit 100% tax free.

Now, it's a tax, and it's cheaper to pay the penalty.
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


My employer used to take care of 100% but when ObamaCare took over the rates my company was paying went up dramatically. The company used to pay $12000/yr for my wife and me but under OBC the rates went to $18000/yr.

This rate increase was planned under OBC because it made allowance for insurance providers to raise the rates up to 40% until 2014 after which they would be forced to reduce the rates to an acceptable level.

The reasoning behind a 40% rate hike for 3 years is to force companies who provide a Platinum level of coverage for their employees to leverage them to reduce the level of coverage to a more modest amount. This fits in nicely with the premise of OBC; which is to provide mediocre coverage for all people and ensure that no one is getting elite level coverage without paying thru the nose for it.
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Except for Congressmen & Senators
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Well Well Well page 107 of the health care bill,If your a muzzzi you don't have to pay for it and there is no penalty for not getting it
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I posted a long time ago this is what companies were going to do.

The fine for AT&T would have amounted to $2,000 per employee, costing the company a grand total of $600 million a year. Maintaining benefits, meanwhile, will cost the firm some $4.6 billion.


So they can save 4 billion a year and tell employees to get their own coverage.

Just what did government Think companies were going to do??

Always the unintended consequences.......
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NOT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. absolutely exactly what they wanted to happen. this forces a large and ever growing number into the gov't health care plan-which will essentially be medicaid. hence the government will be able to control health care costs with death panels and multiple layers of bullshit to try to get patients drugs and prior auths for tests. this is EXACTLY what they want to happen. their lying bullshit about everyone being able to keep their healthcare and their doctors was exactly that
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Well Well Well page 107 of the health care bill,If your a muzzzi you don't have to pay for it and there is no penalty for not getting it
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Are you f?*cking serious? What's that shit?
 Quoting: closing eyes


...


if you are a politician, a muslim or a scientologist you will be exempt

or so I've heard
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


ya, sure, only white christians have to pay, right?

Don't make yourself ridiculous.
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before you make an idiot of yourself, check to see just how many of the president's favored constituents are exempt from his damn healthcare law.
 Quoting: Davvi

Dhimmitude or something like that...as Muslims view insuance/tax as GAMBLING which it is


It is a demonstration of faithlessness....rebelling against the will of Allah...



I am not Muslim but I feel the same...


I do not trust thieves and liars to do the right thing. I also know they use orphans, psychiatric patients and elderly without relatives to test and do experimental procedures and medications...


Death panels is real

RFID "medically implantable device" is in their 4000 page nightmare


VA is govt run, any questions???


The Vets are fiven the planned treatment...if they do not agree they can ask for redress and it will be re considered...


However, in ObaMarx plan, there is no redress...If you do not like their planned treatment, too fking bad...


You will never meet the health czar...and they will keep that flavor throughout.

If you go to the ER you will see the ER doc...he will not contact your physician who understands your history...no, he will relay info to the new middleman doc...who you will not really communicate with...that Aclown will relay...and things will be missed and history will have a chance at being lost or mistranscribed etc...and once it is in the electronic record good luck if you need a correction...


It will be really bacd, far worst than the many VAs that had infestation, infection control issues, or missing supplies, shortages, etc


I have worked at VAs as PRN for over a decade and it is clear to me, as I did read that POS 'legislation' that the congressmen and women cannot even comprehend it but they passed it


sounds criminal to me


When I was involved in state legislation I never signed anything I would not stand behind and if I could not even be bothered to read it, I definitely would never sign such a thing. It is a travesty against all who need services


Congressmen and women need to be drug screened, as they push that onto the public...They also need to not receive free healthcare, and the best services...they should be under the same umbrella as the public...they are not leaders but REPRESENTATIVES or SENATORS, not gods or Titans....


They have feathered their nests, their cronies nests, and even conspired with pharma-industril-petrochemical-military complex....



Despicable!!!


They parade around like some kind of slave owners and they are not superior to the publc but try and convey laws forcing their 'elite' status while the people stand in free speech cages


F U Q U E. Them
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Lots of truth here.
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Just throwing this out there.

Any chance everyone claiming that your brainwashed if you think the universal care plan is a good thing.

Ever stop and think you've been brainwashed by the rich drug companies that this care is a evil?

Just wondering. Cause I read so many posts that I think should be considered fiction because I heard from a cousin's friends former roommate that its bad? lol
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the bottom line is we are getting screwed over as usual. nothing will be FREE. people who think they are going to get anything for FREE got another thing coming. get ready for the screwing of your life. this is all about money and how the crooks can get in our pockets. oh, and good luck finding anybody to treat you. we dont even have enough doctors or nurse practioners. enjoy the long lines. this will be a miserable failure.
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No there are folks who will continue to get all the freebies..we will just be the ones paying for it.
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How many people here are aware that if a doctor misdiagnoses you, they pay a price for there poor care? If doctors do a poor job treating you, they won't be able to afford to practice and I believe that to be a good thing.

Besides, all they are are highly paid guessers.
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Then you will be fine with the Nurse Practitioner or Physician's Assistant that you will get under Obamacare. It's already in the rural health clinics.

You won't see doctors much any more at all. And if you think this will result in BETTER care and not so many misdiagnosis, this is what you deserve.
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In my town the clinic/hospital is already being run by the PA's and RN's.with like one old man MD overseer. I can't imagine it getting worse, but I'm sure it will.
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All you fucking sheep care about is money. Your god damned greed is why the world is in the mess its in now.. are you all really this fucking stupid?

Your dumbass pawn doctors put you to sleep with all these prescriptions. Now youre too retarded to see it for what it really is. You people are already dead.
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The entire purpose of Obamacare is to begin the process of destroying private healthcare insurance and force everyone onto a Government Plan. I am sure we will enjoy having people, who are incapable of balancing a checkbook, deciding what treatments you are allowed to have, when you are allowed to have them, and who will provide them. They will dictate how you must live to access the care and treatments avialable. If you smoke, eat sweets, or live in a manner contrary to "their" view of what is appropriate to the best interests of the collective, rest assured, at some point they will deny you treatment and you will be denied access even if you can pay out of pocket.

Of course, the people who gave you Obamacare have no skin in this game and have the absolute best care available 24/7/365 on our dime.
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African Americans?(blacks for short)

ya think so huh? scratching

I'm sure equality has been reached and it is tilting in the opposite direction

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you could also argue why should your employer pay $15,000 a year for your insurance?
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Dont you get it! Instead of VA hospitals, they can NOW access every hospital in the world. The level of care will be going through the roof.
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And I work with Physicians, they ALL want it.
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I don't believe Obamacare covers forign hospitals (and they would have to accept it first anyway).

I had a frank discussion with my PC and he doesn't like it one bit, nor does many of his colleges. Your crusade to make the Obama Tax appear fruitful for the nation is an utter and complete failure and flies in the face of facts. Your fictitious world doesn't exist and I don't watch Fox News, so please don't go there. (Well, I do watch it once in a blue moon if something big is happening, but I tend to channel surf so that doesn't count!)
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My doc doesn't like it, either. If you think about it most docs are most likely republicans aka Obama haters. Not a good year to see doctors, they are all too political and upset this year. Next year they may get mad and leave and then we'll have H1Bvisa docs from India or perhaps more Muslims coming in to take care of our bodies.


My doctor went ahead and retired.
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I currently have health insurance with my company. It's a pretty good plan as health insurance plans go, I have heard of worse for sure.

My cost right now is $370 per month to cover myself and my entire family (split over two checks at $185 per check). The company-paid part of our insurance cost the company $15,500 per year, per employee (somewhat less for individuals only but not by much).

I am friends with the HR person as XYZ Corp (not the real name obviously) and this person told me that the company is seriously considering taking the $2000 per employee tax hit for not offering coverage, thereby forcing all of us into the government plan. In their words - "Yeah, this would suck and the coverage would not be nearly as good, but the company would save over $10,000 per employee."

My company has 86 employees. That's $860,000 per year the company would save by forcing us into Obamacare.

Many of us employees have talked about this and even considered walking off the job to at least demand most of the savings back in the form of an increase in pay (since it costs the company XX dollars to employ each of us already) but with the economy as bad as it is, it's risky. Mind you most of us are highly skilled and qualified and the company would take a huge productivity hit if we walked - but then again, saving $860,000 per year - maybe they could absorb it.

I firmly believe that Obamacare, and the current economic situation, are playing hand-in-hand intentionally.

Why did the Dems/Liberals pass Obamacare? To serve their constituents and give them freebies.

Why did the Reps/Conservatives pass Obamacare? To save their fat cat constituents money and pad their wallets.

We can't win with this shit.

Oh well, at least it'll be fun in the "end of days" when all these people are standing in judgement and have to justify themselves. That'll be fun.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461956

Right now, if they yank that bennie out from under you, they are saving $15,500 year per employee. They are not currently under any obligation to provide you with any coverage except to keep you around.

If they were going to screw you, why would they wait until there is a $2,00 per employee penalty when they could have been doing it all along?
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^^^^^This!
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the bottom line is we are getting screwed over as usual. nothing will be FREE. people who think they are going to get anything for FREE got another thing coming. get ready for the screwing of your life. this is all about money and how the crooks can get in our pockets. oh, and good luck finding anybody to treat you. we dont even have enough doctors or nurse practioners. enjoy the long lines. this will be a miserable failure.
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I have said this from day 1.

All you liberals/progressives/communists/anarchists...that think that government run healthcare is going to be some kind of nirvana, I still invite you to go to your local Veterans Administration Hospital/Clinic and see how they treat us.

6 months to see a physician. After that, it could be weeks or months again before you have your follow up. Long waits for MRI's or CT scans. Dental? Forget it.

Case in point: I have broken teeth from an IED blast I was hit with in Afghanistan. In March I walked into the VA and asked what could be done. After verifying that the injury did in deed happen in the line of duty, I was given a date for my dental appointment...NOVEMBER 23rd 2012!

This isnt a rant about poor care. The physicians and care givers at the VA are excellent. I havent had one bad experience with a genuine healthcare professional at the VA. The bureaucracy, and lack of care givers vs patients however are a nightmare.

You asked for it America, and all I can say is...welcome to the Veterans world.
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Your post is misleading. Not one republican voted for obamacare!
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