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Here is exactly how "Obamacare" will affect me and my family starting next year.....

 
jim jones
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Seriously, all of you are going to pay for Obama Care?

really?


It's unconstitutional

It is selling ownership of your body to the government.

It funds abortions.

So if your an American who believes your body is your own, and you believe in Jesus Christ.

Then you can absolutely not participate.

It's now or never people, you might as well make a stand somewhere.
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You pay into car insurance and a fucked up health care plan now, more than likely. One way or another. Why not bitch about that?

Trin didnt tell you to. Thats why

koolaid
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We don't have health care because it is too expensive, however this bill does not help. We don't have the extra $2085 a year to pay the tax by 2016. We already cut back on most things, phones, cable, don't even have a TV, we don't eat out and we don't even eat between meals. We are just scraping by and we refuse to give up and get federal aid because we are trying to improve our conditions, like they were before the recession. My husband has an interview for a better job this week so hopefully things will improve soon.
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Seriously, all of you are going to pay for Obama Care?

really?


It's unconstitutional

It is selling ownership of your body to the government.

It funds abortions.

So if your an American who believes your body is your own, and you believe in Jesus Christ.

Then you can absolutely not participate.

It's now or never people, you might as well make a stand somewhere.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23947619


I would rather go to jail than pay it, but it is already taken out of my check. You cannot opt out of Medicare. The government will not let you. A court case was heard last year. A few people who had better coverage from their employer wanted to keep it, and dump medicare. The judge ruled you cannot opt out. It is mandatory to everyone who gets a SS retirement or disability check. The premium for Medicare is taken out of the check before you get it. You cannot stop them from taking it out. I personally wanted to dump Medicare way before this obamacommiecare started to even unfold. The Medicare coverage is not good, and between the premiums, deductibles, and what I pay out of pocket right now,1/3 of my total income is gone.I figured out, if I could ditch the Medicare premiums, and went to a cash pay with a discount, I cut my total medical costs by hundreds of dollars per year.My Medicare has no dental, eyeglases, or prescription coverage. My trip to the Dentist today, for a broken molar and 2 cavities, was $285 with the senior discount. I got to go back next week tuesday to finish up.I expect another $100 or more added on. I am glad my Dentist gives me a discount and takes payments.
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Pretty fucking stupid to spend that kind of money on "health insurance" when you are guaranteed to die. WTF. How much per month would you spend on "health care?"... You act like it's some kind of shit you can't do without. What a pussy.
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That is the only problem with the plan
It gives companies a easy way out
So they just drop coverage and pay the fine to save big bucks.
This should only be enforced by companies that do not offer healthcare not for all companies, because you know what they will do
Anything they can to save them $$$
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Yes, you can opt out of medicare bullshit. Romney and smart people do it already.
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Seriously, all of you are going to pay for Obama Care?

really?


It's unconstitutional

It is selling ownership of your body to the government.

It funds abortions.

So if your an American who believes your body is your own, and you believe in Jesus Christ.

Then you can absolutely not participate.

It's now or never people, you might as well make a stand somewhere.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23947619


You pay into car insurance and a fucked up health care plan now, more than likely. One way or another. Why not bitch about that?

Trin didnt tell you to. Thats why

koolaid
 Quoting: jim jones 19814933


Because car insurance and health insurance aren't forced at the point of a gun. That is why.

You can't understand the difference? Or are you just incapable of understanding the difference?
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09/19/2012 10:50 PM
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Well, yeah, dumb fucks. That's what companies do, is save and make money...otherwise whining little cunts like you wouldn't have your fucking miserable little slave jobs so you could sit around and bitch like cunts.
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I though all tax legislation must originate in the House.
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Well, apparently it must UNLESS POTUS says so. The world is upside down I tell ya!
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I though all tax legislation must originate in the House.
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Well, apparently it must UNLESS POTUS says so. The world is upside down I tell ya!
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SCOTUS^ Whoops!
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You know, as a descent person, I was reluctantly in favor of national healthcare; why? Well lets step up to the plate, it's just the right thing to do.

Now, I'm seriously conservative at heart and Libertarian but no way will I ever endorse the new neocon BullShit.

We didn't get national health care, we got something not beginning to come close, that in effect REDUCES our healthcare and charges us way more. I do suppose this is for those who actually work.

So whats happened is the Rich have found an avenue through the democrats to reduce THEIR burden on healthcare while transferring it to us the middle class while increasing profits to the healthcare industry (the same Rich previously mentioned)

Thats whats happened.

Just fucking great.

Think the Dems and Rebubs are any different? You must be a Moron!

Frater

PS Vote Gary Johnson in protest or don't even bother.
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So you prefer to split the vote and have Obama again? There are no free rides, not for long after the vote anyways, no one fix all medical plans, just more loss of jobs! The big guys with big money want you to vote Gary Johnson! Then they get everything & we starve because we can't move without big government telling us how much we need to give. Give until you have only enough for yourself, but nothing for your family. I hope you DON'T vote!
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I just retired and pay for my health...it is way more than 400 bucks a month.

What will Obama care mean for me?
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I'm sorry, but nobody knows, actually.
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I firmly believe that Obamacare, and the current economic situation, are playing hand-in-hand intentionally.

Why did the Dems/Liberals pass Obamacare? To serve their constituents and give them freebies.

Why did the Reps/Conservatives pass Obamacare? To save their fat cat constituents money and pad their wallets.

We can't win with this shit.

Oh well, at least it'll be fun in the "end of days" when all these people are standing in judgement and have to justify themselves. That'll be fun.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461956

they passed it so you could see what's in it. but seriously, it was very clear that the vast majority of "we the people" were against it. congress voted it in and obama signed it for two main reasons. but first it's important to realize that the megacorps are the true powers. they write the laws and compel their minions (politicians) to pass and sign them into being.

the reason obamacare exists is to provide revenue for the government while increasing it's power and control over the herd and to offload healthcare from the employer onto the individual employee. everything else is noise.
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i argued this with every damn libtard i could, but according to them i am just a selfish bitch who wanted to deny poor people healthcare. i could not make a dent into their bullshit.

we are being loaded into national healthcare even though we don't want it and we will end up with long lines and lousy care just like the morons in europe and north of the border who think 24 months wait for a cataract operation is normal. 1doh1

i was pretty indifferent about the turd in the white until he passed this lousy legislation.
 Quoting: Davvi


Welcome to the excruciating world of socialised medicine.

Srsly, my heart aches for you guys.

Yep, there are many morans in the UK who chirrup on about how fantastic it is we have a 'free' national health service. Well that's bollox. We pay through the nose for it by taxation - but many people are too thick to realise that.

And to the Kiwi who posted about getting 'free' doctors and ambulances at the drop of a hat and no waiting etc...NZ is the primary destination for all our best medics and nurses who can't bear to work for the NHS any longer.

Our local media is full of horror stories about patients having to wait hours for ambulances, or in hospital corridors on trolleys (even in a broom cupboard in one instance), elderly or inconvenient people being offed via the 'Liverpool End of Life Pathway'.

And God help you if you irritate a doctor or bureaucrat - you're quietly wiped from the doctor's list and you just won't be able to get treatment. In socialised medicine there is just no where else to turn for treatment (unless you're very rich).

there are literally hundreds of thousands even millions of medical mistakes each year - mostly all covered up because as the 3rd largest organisation in the world they can.

Meanwhile the corporate purchasing people make deals with 'favoured' drug companies and other suppliers which result in paying hundreds of £ for each bedpan and sheets and other kit and way over the top for drugs.

I am so sorry that you Americans have been set on this track too.
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Pretty fucking stupid to spend that kind of money on "health insurance" when you are guaranteed to die. WTF. How much per month would you spend on "health care?"... You act like it's some kind of shit you can't do without. What a pussy.
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What, are you twelve years old? Shit happens. You can be a total health and fitness nut and be in perfect health for thirty years, and suddenly get appendicitis or need your gall bladder removed. You could get in a car accident or break your leg in three places with a spiral compound fracture on a ski trip. A ladder could fall on you and put you in a coma. Your stupid neighbor's dog could jump the fence and rip your face off.

Surgeries routinely cost in excess of $100,000. My dad just had a hip replacement which cost $250,000. He has been eating health food since the 1950's and is in excellent health except his hip joint degenerated in his early 80's. He couldn't walk because of the pain, so what should he have done? Thank God he has always had excellent health insurance.

A few months ago my husband got bronchitis due to overwork, and had trouble breathing one night. I took him to the ER where he received an xray, two nebulizer treatments and an antibiotic shot and a prescription. The bill was FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS! Thank God we have good medical insurance coverage.

Well? Well?
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Seriously, all of you are going to pay for Obama Care?

really?


It's unconstitutional

It is selling ownership of your body to the government.

It funds abortions.

So if your an American who believes your body is your own, and you believe in Jesus Christ.

Then you can absolutely not participate.

It's now or never people, you might as well make a stand somewhere.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23947619


You pay into car insurance and a fucked up health care plan now, more than likely. One way or another. Why not bitch about that?

Trin didnt tell you to. Thats why

koolaid
 Quoting: jim jones 19814933


Why not bitch about forcing individuals/families (remember 40+ million already cannot afford premiums) to pay for an OVERPRICED service (and has gone up 20%) they may not need or want, or else pay an OVERPRICED tax of double what the Government NEEDS to cover their EMTALA bills.
Why not bitch about illegal non citizens who still get their healthcare covered, now paid by the citizens who could not otherwise afford their own premiums. Not exactly solving the problem.
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You bunch of weak fearful sissies deserve to be herded around like sheep. Wahhh...I need my health care 'cause I'm a sissy fuck retard. I'm healthy and never go to the doctor, but pay 400 dollars a month just in case.
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Well, yeah, dumb fucks. That's what companies do, is save and make money...otherwise whining little cunts like you wouldn't have your fucking miserable little slave jobs so you could sit around and bitch like cunts.
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You sound like you need a hug.
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i argued this with every damn libtard i could, but according to them i am just a selfish bitch who wanted to deny poor people healthcare. i could not make a dent into their bullshit.

we are being loaded into national healthcare even though we don't want it and we will end up with long lines and lousy care just like the morons in europe and north of the border who think 24 months wait for a cataract operation is normal. 1doh1

i was pretty indifferent about the turd in the white until he passed this lousy legislation.
 Quoting: Davvi


Welcome to the excruciating world of socialised medicine.

Srsly, my heart aches for you guys.

Yep, there are many morans in the UK who chirrup on about how fantastic it is we have a 'free' national health service. Well that's bollox. We pay through the nose for it by taxation - but many people are too thick to realise that.

And to the Kiwi who posted about getting 'free' doctors and ambulances at the drop of a hat and no waiting etc...NZ is the primary destination for all our best medics and nurses who can't bear to work for the NHS any longer.

Our local media is full of horror stories about patients having to wait hours for ambulances, or in hospital corridors on trolleys (even in a broom cupboard in one instance), elderly or inconvenient people being offed via the 'Liverpool End of Life Pathway'.

And God help you if you irritate a doctor or bureaucrat - you're quietly wiped from the doctor's list and you just won't be able to get treatment. In socialised medicine there is just no where else to turn for treatment (unless you're very rich).

there are literally hundreds of thousands even millions of medical mistakes each year - mostly all covered up because as the 3rd largest organisation in the world they can.

Meanwhile the corporate purchasing people make deals with 'favoured' drug companies and other suppliers which result in paying hundreds of £ for each bedpan and sheets and other kit and way over the top for drugs.

I am so sorry that you Americans have been set on this track too.
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Thanks for the sentiment and truth from the U.K.

Last Edited by s. d. butler on 09/19/2012 11:07 PM
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I need out of this insane asylum filled wuith sissy tards.
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Seriously...who the fuck do you think you are? Queen sitting on her throne saying you will see no sorrow?
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I currently have health insurance with my company. It's a pretty good plan as health insurance plans go, I have heard of worse for sure.

My cost right now is $370 per month to cover myself and my entire family (split over two checks at $185 per check). The company-paid part of our insurance cost the company $15,500 per year, per employee (somewhat less for individuals only but not by much).

I am friends with the HR person as XYZ Corp (not the real name obviously) and this person told me that the company is seriously considering taking the $2000 per employee tax hit for not offering coverage, thereby forcing all of us into the government plan. In their words - "Yeah, this would suck and the coverage would not be nearly as good, but the company would save over $10,000 per employee."

My company has 86 employees. That's $860,000 per year the company would save by forcing us into Obamacare.

Many of us employees have talked about this and even considered walking off the job to at least demand most of the savings back in the form of an increase in pay (since it costs the company XX dollars to employ each of us already) but with the economy as bad as it is, it's risky. Mind you most of us are highly skilled and qualified and the company would take a huge productivity hit if we walked - but then again, saving $860,000 per year - maybe they could absorb it.

I firmly believe that Obamacare, and the current economic situation, are playing hand-in-hand intentionally.

Why did the Dems/Liberals pass Obamacare? To serve their constituents and give them freebies.

Why did the Reps/Conservatives pass Obamacare? To save their fat cat constituents money and pad their wallets.

We can't win with this shit.

Oh well, at least it'll be fun in the "end of days" when all these people are standing in judgement and have to justify themselves. That'll be fun.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461956


Insurance is just another of the bankers scams. You pay in about $20k a year. Good luck getting a transplant or chemo-therapy if you need it.

And get real, your company isn't going to give you guys a higher salary when they ship your ass onto obamacare.

Funny how you threaten to walk off the job over this, but have been sitting idle for the past decade while the federal reserve prints monopoly money like there is no tomorrow, destroying the value of the dollars you earn.

Truth is, you don't have the balls to walk off the job. We got evil bankers rigging the markets and war criminals in political office and everyone just walks around like nothing is happening. You're just another bot, and most likely replaceable contrary to your beliefs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10957384


And I suppose you're showing your rebellion by living in a shack in the middle of the Ozarks?

Put your balls where your typing is, you walk out, business owner or not, and tell the IRS to shove it up their ass when they come knocken on your door.

I fully expect you to say a full spectrum of "yes sir" and "yes maam" to the agents as they arrive at your doorsteps.
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Pretty fucking stupid to spend that kind of money on "health insurance" when you are guaranteed to die. WTF. How much per month would you spend on "health care?"... You act like it's some kind of shit you can't do without. What a pussy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24097551


The basic principle behind "healthcare" is to take premiums and deny coverage. A lot of this is accomplished through deductibles, copays, and don't covers. The fallback position is to take enough money from those who pay but do not use to cover the expense of those that do use the care plus the HUGH expense of salaries and profits for the myriad of doctors, laywers and drug companys that profit from it all and profit GREATLY.

When you look at it like this, (most people just can't muster enough brainpower to do that), it becomes quickly obvious that it is a Ponzie scheme that will spiral out of control eventually, if it has not done so already.

But people willingly pay because they need someone to promise them that "they will be ok", "what if", and "we are here for you" because the fear factor cannot be overstated. Fear sells!
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It's another REDISRIBUTION. Now EVERYONE will be on an even playing field...........except teachers and government employees......they will keep their cadillac insurance.
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Pretty fucking stupid to spend that kind of money on "health insurance" when you are guaranteed to die. WTF. How much per month would you spend on "health care?"... You act like it's some kind of shit you can't do without. What a pussy.
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What, are you twelve years old? Shit happens. You can be a total health and fitness nut and be in perfect health for thirty years, and suddenly get appendicitis or need your gall bladder removed. You could get in a car accident or break your leg in three places with a spiral compound fracture on a ski trip. A ladder could fall on you and put you in a coma. Your stupid neighbor's dog could jump the fence and rip your face off.

Surgeries routinely cost in excess of $100,000. My dad just had a hip replacement which cost $250,000. He has been eating health food since the 1950's and is in excellent health except his hip joint degenerated in his early 80's. He couldn't walk because of the pain, so what should he have done? Thank God he has always had excellent health insurance.

A few months ago my husband got bronchitis due to overwork, and had trouble breathing one night. I took him to the ER where he received an xray, two nebulizer treatments and an antibiotic shot and a prescription. The bill was FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS! Thank God we have good medical insurance coverage.

Well? Well?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23832881

"Thank God we have good medical insurance coverage."

Whhaa? Your getting ripped off!

In the 1960's it used to cost a woman @ $600 to give birth. What we need to get mad about here is how badly we are getting ripped off, instead of giving to these INFLATED prices. There are people who go to Brazil to get surgery, and I knew a guy in TX who went to a dentist in Mexico! We are getting screwed, it shouldn't cost this much!
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Just throwing this out there.

Any chance everyone claiming that your brainwashed if you think the universal care plan is a good thing.

Ever stop and think you've been brainwashed by the rich drug companies that this care is a evil?

Just wondering. Cause I read so many posts that I think should be considered fiction because I heard from a cousin's friends former roommate that its bad? lol
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You don't work do you?
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A few true words here...evil rich drug companies. Do your research to see how the words should fit into the sentance.
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A Man Has Got to Know His Limitations

I am just a sinner trying to make it to heaven!

Romans 8:35-39
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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Always the unintended consequences.......
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Or the intended ones...
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Well, I haven't read through all the pages yet, so maybe I'll see it somewhere later in the pages, but you didn't tell us how Obamacare is going to affect you. You told us how it will affect your company.

Could you redo your post with the Obamacare pricetag, showing the pros and cons attached to it?

I know Medicare Part D just went down the toilet, so I can just imagine.

Thx
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Yes, you can opt out of medicare bullshit. Romney and smart people do it already.
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Please tell me how. My mother has excellent federal employee retirement insurance but STILL has to pay monthly into Medicare Parts A, B and D!

Social Security Administration says it is mandatory if you receive SS and Blue Cross/Blue Shield also says it must be the prmary insurer and will only pay AFTER Medicare does. And Medicare sets the rates that are approved and so forth.

The deduction is made before she even receives her check. Now a person can not file for Social Security and get more the older they are and the longer they wait but she is old enough that she had better get what she can while there is any left.
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