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Big Bang: How Did Life Begin if Everything Was Sterile?

 
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Oh.

Sounds like scientists are friendly people to look towards and root for. cheer


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I was kind of sarcastic TBH.

In reality, there are never "two kinds of people". Thinking like that is the mistake most religions make. They divide the entire world into "us" vs. "them" or "good" vs. "evil". They do not understand that people can be neutral. It's always join us or you deserve to die/go to hell/whatever. And that's why I have very low opinion of most religions. They are passive aggressive empires.
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Well it's the best religion there is then.

Inventing the Internet > setting witches on fire.
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Empirical Science > blind faith in naturalism (hijacking the label of Science.)

Lol, and now the naturalists want to set the creationists on fire for not believing in their Big Bang/Evolution dogma.
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Well it's the best religion there is then.

Inventing the Internet > setting witches on fire.
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Empirical Science > blind faith in naturalism (hijacking the label of Science.)

Lol, and now the naturalists want to set the creationists on fire for not believing in their Big Bang/Evolution dogma.
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These naturalists sound like bad people, who are they anyway?
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Oh.

Sounds like scientists are friendly people to look towards and root for. cheer


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I was kind of sarcastic TBH.

In reality, there are never "two kinds of people". Thinking like that is the mistake most religions make. They divide the entire world into "us" vs. "them" or "good" vs. "evil". They do not understand that people can be neutral. It's always join us or you deserve to die/go to hell/whatever. And that's why I have very low opinion of most religions. They are passive aggressive empires.
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Yet it is right that we be exposed to your dogma of moral relativism? Where "Good and Evil" is only a myth? You have much more faith-based intolerance than you think.
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Oh.

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I was kind of sarcastic TBH.

In reality, there are never "two kinds of people". Thinking like that is the mistake most religions make. They divide the entire world into "us" vs. "them" or "good" vs. "evil". They do not understand that people can be neutral. It's always join us or you deserve to die/go to hell/whatever. And that's why I have very low opinion of most religions. They are passive aggressive empires.
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That sounds like greater accuracy to me. thumbs


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Oh.

Sounds like scientists are friendly people to look towards and root for. cheer


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I was kind of sarcastic TBH.

In reality, there are never "two kinds of people". Thinking like that is the mistake most religions make. They divide the entire world into "us" vs. "them" or "good" vs. "evil". They do not understand that people can be neutral. It's always join us or you deserve to die/go to hell/whatever. And that's why I have very low opinion of most religions. They are passive aggressive empires.
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Yet it is right that we be exposed to your dogma of moral relativism? Where "Good and Evil" is only a myth? You have much more faith-based intolerance than you think.
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If there is no neutral ground and only "good and evil", then how else do you label those who neither help you nor harm you? Evil? Just for not being on your side?
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'Science' is the religion in disguise.
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agreed..
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Well it's the best religion there is then.

Inventing the Internet > setting witches on fire.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 525676


Empirical Science > blind faith in naturalism (hijacking the label of Science.)

Lol, and now the naturalists want to set the creationists on fire for not believing in their Big Bang/Evolution dogma.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


These naturalists sound like bad people, who are they anyway?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 525676


Naturalists are deluded individuals who believe our reality, life, consciousness, the universe, *must* have come about naturally by non-intelligent, unguided, or random and accidental processes.

They masquerade themselves as "scientists searching for answers", while at the same time promoting their Naturalist Faith as the only possibility.

Through a long campaign of public education and mass media, they have convinced millions of young people that they evolved from slime and fish creatures billions of years ago. Indeed they have made it a law that children be taught this as irrefutable truth.

Academia is a venue for the Church of Naturalism: A faith-based belief system disguised as empirical science. One is casted out as a heretic if they do not conform.

What is ironic, is that Naturalists claim to be scientific, when actual empirical observation always runs counter to their bizarre claims. They have a strange type of anti-logic, wherein the "truth must be radically different than what is observed."

Example: We observe small genetic variations in organisms > Therefore, radical variations accounting for plants turning into humans must be possible!

That's Naturalists for ya.
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Well it's the best religion there is then.

Inventing the Internet > setting witches on fire.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 525676


Empirical Science > blind faith in naturalism (hijacking the label of Science.)

Lol, and now the naturalists want to set the creationists on fire for not believing in their Big Bang/Evolution dogma.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


These naturalists sound like bad people, who are they anyway?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 525676


Naturalists are deluded individuals who believe our reality, life, consciousness, the universe, *must* have come about naturally by non-intelligent, unguided, or random and accidental processes.

They masquerade themselves as "scientists searching for answers", while at the same time promoting their Naturalist Faith as the only possibility.

Through a long campaign of public education and mass media, they have convinced millions of young people that they evolved from slime and fish creatures billions of years ago. Indeed they have made it a law that children be taught this as irrefutable truth.

Academia is a venue for the Church of Naturalism: A faith-based belief system disguised as empirical science. One is casted out as a heretic if they do not conform.

What is ironic, is that Naturalists claim to be scientific, when actual empirical observation always runs counter to their bizarre claims. They have a strange type of anti-logic, wherein the "truth must be radically different than what is observed."

Example: We observe small genetic variations in organisms > Therefore, radical variations accounting for plants turning into humans must be possible!

That's Naturalists for ya.
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Ahh, so naturalists have been created by creationists.
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If there is no neutral ground and only "good and evil", then how else do you label those who neither help you nor harm you? Evil? Just for not being on your side?
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I would simply label them confused. They either believe they randomly evolved from rocks, or think they're living in the matrix. Oh yea, or Aliens.
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Empirical Science > blind faith in naturalism (hijacking the label of Science.)

Lol, and now the naturalists want to set the creationists on fire for not believing in their Big Bang/Evolution dogma.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


These naturalists sound like bad people, who are they anyway?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 525676


Naturalists are deluded individuals who believe our reality, life, consciousness, the universe, *must* have come about naturally by non-intelligent, unguided, or random and accidental processes.

They masquerade themselves as "scientists searching for answers", while at the same time promoting their Naturalist Faith as the only possibility.

Through a long campaign of public education and mass media, they have convinced millions of young people that they evolved from slime and fish creatures billions of years ago. Indeed they have made it a law that children be taught this as irrefutable truth.

Academia is a venue for the Church of Naturalism: A faith-based belief system disguised as empirical science. One is casted out as a heretic if they do not conform.

What is ironic, is that Naturalists claim to be scientific, when actual empirical observation always runs counter to their bizarre claims. They have a strange type of anti-logic, wherein the "truth must be radically different than what is observed."

Example: We observe small genetic variations in organisms > Therefore, radical variations accounting for plants turning into humans must be possible!

That's Naturalists for ya.
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Ahh, so naturalists have been created by creationists.
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Cahill, reading comprehension is important when using the interwebz. Better luck next time.
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If there is no neutral ground and only "good and evil", then how else do you label those who neither help you nor harm you? Evil? Just for not being on your side?
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I would simply label them confused. They either believe they randomly evolved from rocks, or think they're living in the matrix. Oh yea, or Aliens.
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So your view of the world is really "confused, good and evil" and not "good and evil"?
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These naturalists sound like bad people, who are they anyway?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 525676


Naturalists are deluded individuals who believe our reality, life, consciousness, the universe, *must* have come about naturally by non-intelligent, unguided, or random and accidental processes.

They masquerade themselves as "scientists searching for answers", while at the same time promoting their Naturalist Faith as the only possibility.

Through a long campaign of public education and mass media, they have convinced millions of young people that they evolved from slime and fish creatures billions of years ago. Indeed they have made it a law that children be taught this as irrefutable truth.

Academia is a venue for the Church of Naturalism: A faith-based belief system disguised as empirical science. One is casted out as a heretic if they do not conform.

What is ironic, is that Naturalists claim to be scientific, when actual empirical observation always runs counter to their bizarre claims. They have a strange type of anti-logic, wherein the "truth must be radically different than what is observed."

Example: We observe small genetic variations in organisms > Therefore, radical variations accounting for plants turning into humans must be possible!

That's Naturalists for ya.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


Ahh, so naturalists have been created by creationists.
 Quoting: Cahill


Cahill, reading comprehension is important when using the interwebz. Better luck next time.
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I could throw that straight back at you.
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It's actually easy to see the truth only if you can acquire some experience like OBEs and consciouss dreaming.

You already have the material experience, when you gain astral travel experience and OBE it strikes you right in the forehead, what was before inexistent for you now is.
Know this- no one of us can imagine stuff that is of true reality, we can only experience it and only when it happens, not after, not before it, it is a "present" thing only, not a memory thing that's why it remains inexistent most of the time, even if we lived thorugh 1000 lives.
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Aah, OK, so you're getting special visions and therefore we should all just believe you. Like when Moses talked to god on the mountain top, when he was all alone. Or like how Muhammed got his vision when he was all alone in a cave.
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It's not visions in usual ways you might think because it's not connected to anything of material, I mean you cannot say anything about those "visions" that would attribute to anything in the material world, but it is more prominent than anything in the material universe, it is a "state" of being, like a persistent quality within you and everything around you. And it's not special, no one can say how they are, they're not good, nor bad, not pleasant, nor painful. I don't say you should believe me, or anyone, I said when you acquire different states of mind it's when you start discover reality which is different than our usual perception in too many ways.


While visions are of the mind, true reality is of the experience, when you experience it you are ONE with it meaning you are never in the past, or future, the mind is simply not there. That also simply mean that you have been possessed by this pure awareness power and nothing else matters and never did, you are home.

When Osho said he never lived and never had been born he meant he found home.
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If there is no neutral ground and only "good and evil", then how else do you label those who neither help you nor harm you? Evil? Just for not being on your side?
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I would simply label them confused. They either believe they randomly evolved from rocks, or think they're living in the matrix. Oh yea, or Aliens.
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So your view of the world is really "confused, good and evil" and not "good and evil"?
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Confusion can lead to Evil. For example, if you convince yourself there is no God, than it opens the door for Evil, since you now believe it does not exist.

We are not robots bouncing around between a binary Good/Evil state.

There are two roads, one leading to truth and one away from truth. You either walk towards the Truth, or walk away from it into deception.

You have the free will to seek the absolute Truth of your Creator, or continue to convince yourself that it is better to sit in your various shades of grey and worship a lie.
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New perceptions and new understandings about our origin and place in the universe CANNOT be acquired by those who are too busy cheerleading for a cause. cheer

The wise man knows that this is a feeling out process that's occurring in real time between his/her self and all else.


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Naturalists are deluded individuals who believe our reality, life, consciousness, the universe, *must* have come about naturally by non-intelligent, unguided, or random and accidental processes.

They masquerade themselves as "scientists searching for answers", while at the same time promoting their Naturalist Faith as the only possibility.

Through a long campaign of public education and mass media, they have convinced millions of young people that they evolved from slime and fish creatures billions of years ago. Indeed they have made it a law that children be taught this as irrefutable truth.

Academia is a venue for the Church of Naturalism: A faith-based belief system disguised as empirical science. One is casted out as a heretic if they do not conform.

What is ironic, is that Naturalists claim to be scientific, when actual empirical observation always runs counter to their bizarre claims. They have a strange type of anti-logic, wherein the "truth must be radically different than what is observed."

Example: We observe small genetic variations in organisms > Therefore, radical variations accounting for plants turning into humans must be possible!

That's Naturalists for ya.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


Ahh, so naturalists have been created by creationists.
 Quoting: Cahill


Cahill, reading comprehension is important when using the interwebz. Better luck next time.
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I could throw that straight back at you.
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By all means, instead of nonsensical one-line quips, why don't you try creating an actual post with an actual formulated idea? Take some tylenol if you get a headache.
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The wise man knows that this is a feeling out process that's occurring in real time between his/her self and all else.
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And what if the answer has already presented itself? I wonder if this "wise man" could accept it.
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The wise man knows that this is a feeling out process that's occurring in real time between his/her self and all else.
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And what if the answer has already presented itself? I wonder if this "wise man" could accept it.
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Hypothetical or literal comment AC?


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The wise man knows that this is a feeling out process that's occurring in real time between his/her self and all else.
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And what if the answer has already presented itself? I wonder if this "wise man" could accept it.
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Hypothetical or literal comment AC?


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Both, I guess.

We've had an answer written in our hearts and minds our whole lives.

But since it requires submitting oneself to the Creator, I wonder how many self-proclaimed wise men would rather play the "it's all a big cosmic mystery!" game, where anyone can be God.

If you don't believe in God yet, you could answer that hypothetically...
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The wise man knows that this is a feeling out process that's occurring in real time between his/her self and all else.
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And what if the answer has already presented itself? I wonder if this "wise man" could accept it.
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Hypothetical or literal comment AC?


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That's what I thought AC.

I have my experiences and my thoughts on what POSSIBIlITIES those experiences may or may not be.

Whatever it is that might have 'presented itself', is still in the realm of impracticality.

Like, when I discovered the fractal structure centered around consciousness growth. My experience of discovery was highly impractical until I started cultivating expressions to make it practical. thumbs


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Ahh, so naturalists have been created by creationists.
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Cahill, reading comprehension is important when using the interwebz. Better luck next time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


I could throw that straight back at you.
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By all means, instead of nonsensical one-line quips, why don't you try creating an actual post with an actual formulated idea? Take some tylenol if you get a headache.
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Okay.
You seem to be tarring people with an opposing view to your creationist views as religious? Why's that? Is it because you can only rationally think in a dualist scenario?
You're also saying that these naturalists will only believe in one causality. Now if there are "true naturalists" (which I believe is a term created by creationists as a sort of yin to their yang if you will) then fine, treat it as a religion by all means, however flawed that may be.
However the very nature (no pun) of people who DON'T believe in the story of creationism suggests that this isn't the case.
You say they're pushing what they know upon millions of schoolkids, well yes, they are. And they're pushing it because, at the moment (and I've put those three words there strategically) it's the best we KNOW.
Guess what though, if proof comes along to change that way of thinking then what will be taught will also change. Unlike the creationist view which never changes as by definition, it can't.
From that respect I would say that it's impossible to call it a religion certainly in most people's definition of the word.
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The wise man knows that this is a feeling out process that's occurring in real time between his/her self and all else.
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And what if the answer has already presented itself? I wonder if this "wise man" could accept it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


Hypothetical or literal comment AC?


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Both, I guess.

We've had an answer written in our hearts and minds our whole lives.

But since it requires submitting oneself to the Creator, I wonder how many self-proclaimed wise men would rather play the "it's all a big cosmic mystery!" game, where anyone can be God.

If you don't believe in God yet, you could answer that hypothetically...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


To me it's all 'God'. You, me, all of it. So no need to believe in it because here it is, the miracle that is reality. As far as submitting myself to 'God', well I feel that that's what my life has been all about so far.


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If there is no neutral ground and only "good and evil", then how else do you label those who neither help you nor harm you? Evil? Just for not being on your side?
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I would simply label them confused. They either believe they randomly evolved from rocks, or think they're living in the matrix. Oh yea, or Aliens.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


So your view of the world is really "confused, good and evil" and not "good and evil"?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 525676


Confusion can lead to Evil. For example, if you convince yourself there is no God, than it opens the door for Evil, since you now believe it does not exist.

We are not robots bouncing around between a binary Good/Evil state.

There are two roads, one leading to truth and one away from truth. You either walk towards the Truth, or walk away from it into deception.

You have the free will to seek the absolute Truth of your Creator, or continue to convince yourself that it is better to sit in your various shades of grey and worship a lie.
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Your two roads sound a lot like the same "good vs evil" view to me.
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Immagine that scenario with thousands and thousands of degrees...

So Big-Bang supporters, tell something please.
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when planets are ready life is seeded on them by the sons of gods who do that. please write something that makes sense, because new creations from circular nebulas are INITIATED by Sons of God who are specialists in that. every spiral nebula up there is a new universe forming which will eventually yield millions of planets which can be seeded with life.
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ignorance in this thread is extremely appalling
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The wise man knows that this is a feeling out process that's occurring in real time between his/her self and all else.
 Quoting: BOWMAN


And what if the answer has already presented itself? I wonder if this "wise man" could accept it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


Hypothetical or literal comment AC?


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That's what I thought AC.

I have my experiences and my thoughts on what POSSIBIlITIES those experiences may or may not be.

Whatever it is that might have 'presented itself', is still in the realm of impracticality.

Like, when I discovered the fractal structure centered around consciousness growth. My experience of discovery was highly impractical until I started cultivating expressions to make it practical. thumbs


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Actually now that I've thought about it a bit more, this entire summer I've been attempting to relay my experiences in a practical manner in front of friends and family as to what I felt was the most important aspects to express about my experiences in a simplified manner and I was making these expressions because I was being actuated to do so by subtle cues from what I saw from outside of myself. So there has been some progression in that regard. Whether it makes any difference to anyone beyond me, I would not know that. But it seems to me that Its an attempt at trying to take the impractical and ground it into the practical. 1dunno1


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You seem to be tarring people with an opposing view to your creationist views as religious? Why's that? Is it because you can only rationally think in a dualist scenario?
You're also saying that these naturalists will only believe in one causality. Now if there are "true naturalists" (which I believe is a term created by creationists as a sort of yin to their yang if you will) then fine, treat it as a religion by all means, however flawed that may be.
However the very nature (no pun) of people who DON'T believe in the story of creationism suggests that this isn't the case.
You say they're pushing what they know upon millions of schoolkids, well yes, they are. And they're pushing it because, at the moment (and I've put those three words there strategically) it's the best we KNOW.
Guess what though, if proof comes along to change that way of thinking then what will be taught will also change. Unlike the creationist view which never changes as by definition, it can't.
From that respect I would say that it's impossible to call it a religion certainly in most people's definition of the word.
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You're not seeing the bigger picture of Premises which is where the Naturalist Faith comes in.

If we start from the Premise that life could *only* have come about through purely natural, non-intelligent mutations, then ideas like Evolution would certainly be the most logical conclusion, regardless of the lack of empirical evidence supporting it. The problem is that Premise is completely and totally flawed, yet it has become totally pervasive in modern Academia.

What we actually see around us is fine-tuning and complexity that defies chance/dumb mutations, and 'appears' to indicate intelligent design. BUT, this premise of intelligent design is considered heretical from the Naturalist viewpoint. Intelligent Design has been censored as blasphemy to naturalism.

You say the creationist view never changes. Neither does the faith in Naturalism: "Even if we don't have all the answers, it *must* have occurred by random natural phenomena." The more we discover about how seemingly fine-tuned our universe actually is, the more that the naturalist is convinced it is an ever increasing stack of amazing coincidences.
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You seem to be tarring people with an opposing view to your creationist views as religious? Why's that? Is it because you can only rationally think in a dualist scenario?
You're also saying that these naturalists will only believe in one causality. Now if there are "true naturalists" (which I believe is a term created by creationists as a sort of yin to their yang if you will) then fine, treat it as a religion by all means, however flawed that may be.
However the very nature (no pun) of people who DON'T believe in the story of creationism suggests that this isn't the case.
You say they're pushing what they know upon millions of schoolkids, well yes, they are. And they're pushing it because, at the moment (and I've put those three words there strategically) it's the best we KNOW.
Guess what though, if proof comes along to change that way of thinking then what will be taught will also change. Unlike the creationist view which never changes as by definition, it can't.
From that respect I would say that it's impossible to call it a religion certainly in most people's definition of the word.
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You're not seeing the bigger picture of Premises which is where the Naturalist Faith comes in.

If we start from the Premise that life could *only* have come about through purely natural, non-intelligent mutations, then ideas like Evolution would certainly be the most logical conclusion, regardless of the lack of empirical evidence supporting it. The problem is that Premise is completely and totally flawed, yet it has become totally pervasive in modern Academia.

What we actually see around us is fine-tuning and complexity that defies chance/dumb mutations, and 'appears' to indicate intelligent design. BUT, this premise of intelligent design is considered heretical from the Naturalist viewpoint. Intelligent Design has been censored as blasphemy to naturalism.

You say the creationist view never changes. Neither does the faith in Naturalism: "Even if we don't have all the answers, it *must* have occurred by random natural phenomena." The more we discover about how seemingly fine-tuned our universe actually is, the more that the naturalist is convinced it is an ever increasing stack of amazing coincidences.
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Completely incorrect.
The reason why you're incorrect is the fact you are viewing "naturalism" as you call it through your own dogmas and bias. You are also making too many false assumptions based on your inability to understand it away from these.
If you were able to remove these and look at it in an unbiased way then you would see it for what it is.

The simple fact is that because of your belief, religion, dogmatism etc you can never accept an alternative viewpoint else that would render everything else you believe questionable to say the very least.
Personally I keep an open mind but the vast amount of evidence points to evolution whereas there is no evidence whatsoever to support creationism. Unless of course you count the fact that science can't completely prove it ergo it must be wrong as evidence which most of you seem to do.
Now that's bad science.
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Re: Big Bang: How Did Life Begin if Everything Was Sterile?
No one knows how matter or life began. No one.

Big Bang THEORY.
Just like creationism. A theory.
No one can claim to know how it all started.
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People need to understand exactly what the word THEORY means.
Too often the word is used instead of hypothesis.

Both are very different from each other.

The "big bang" is a theory.
Creationism is an hypothesis.
 Quoting: Cahill


OOOH. Please explain. I was a bad student lol.
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The easy way to explain them is that an hypothesis is a possible explanation that has yet to be tested.

A theory is an hypothesis that has completed extensive testing and is generally accepted as being an accurate representation of the observations thus far.
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