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The story of Joseph relating to the 7 year tribulation

 
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I read a very good book on prophecy that I think many would enjoy it's called "Enigmatic Sunrise Todays Prophetic Secrets Revealed" and it talks about the last day moshiach. Here is one example: The story of Joseph..as christian people are taught that Joseph represents Jesus because the coat of many colors was dipped in goat's blood..the colors represent the many nations and the blood sacrificial of
what Jesus did on calvary. The Pharoah symbolic of GOD the Father and position of greatest authority on earth. Lets consider another idea involving 3 entities. Jesus
represents pharoah, as pharoah was the ruler of the greatest authority on earth at the time.He was also the provider of the bread and nourishment for the life of men. Joseph correctly interpreted the 7 year famine of food, saving the people from physical starvation. This is a foreshadow of the 7 year tribulation when this Joseph(moshiach) will rise up and save the people from spiritual starvation. When Joseph appeared before Pharoah, Joseph told pharoah that God made these things known to him. If Pharoah was symbolic of God, as has been taught by people today then Joseph would have responded "you pharoah, God have given me the interpretation of the dream!" So the first entity is GOD, as Joseph mentions GOD gave him the interpretation. The second entity is Pharoah, symbolic of the ruler of the kingdom and the source of life during the last seven years of the interpreted spiritual famine. A
type of bread of life or another name for Jesus, and he was the head of the kingdom. The third entity was Joseph himself, a servant to pharoah and, King of the kingdom. Pharoah appointed Joseph secondary head of the kingdom. Joseph became leader and commander through his witness, for he correctly interpreted the dream, and by his witness saved many from death. Not by his sacrifice as was the case Jesus bearing the cross, but by his, Josephs' witness was many saved!
Considering the blood of a goat on the coat of many colors. Jesus is not symbolic of the goat of God but he is the Lamb of GOD! why not the blood of a lamb if it was to symbolize Jesus or a ram at least a ram is a male sheep. A goat is a ruminant mammal related to the sheep, this is symbolic of the gentiles! Again we are dealing with a goat even depicted in the story of Jacob, covering his hands, works in goatskin! Did God direct Josephs' brothers to the goat and not to a lamb by mistake? Was God confused and couldn't find a sheep at the time, or perhaps he forgot the difference between a sheep and a goat! I think not!
Even as Joseph's brothers chose the blood of a goat and rejected the blood of a lamb. Even so would come the time when Joseph's brothers the jewish people, would for a second time reject the blood of the Lamb Of GOD! The blood is not the significant thing here it is what the blood symbolizes this is significant!The Word of God states the life of man is in the blood (Gen.9:4-6)....this is just a small portion
of this book..I would recommend it to everyone...it shows this last day moshiach very clearly
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This has really been in my mind for a long time.....Joseph and the coat of many colors and why is it so prevlant in my mind these days?? This may hold a key. Thanks for any and all info on this.
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The united states is where the majority of the lost 10 tribes of Israel are. How can well tell this because this once christian nation was the land of milk and honey just as deuteronomy 28 blessings say Gods people will have the united states has: blessed when you come blessed when you go, you will be a lender and not a borrower and so on and so on. Now that we have turned from God and kicked Him out of schools, courts, etc..and our president has said we are no longer a christian nation but a jewish nation, a muslim nation, a buddist nation and a nation of non-believers we will soon get the curses of deuteronomy 28, please read those they involve the whole country being destroyed and going into captivity. We as the united states have turned our land of milk and honey into a land of egypt(full of idols) One thing God always does when the people turn back to God is raise up a deliverer and this Joseph type is the one that is being talked about, just as Israel had Aaron and moses when they left Egypt(land full of idols), when we leave our egypt kicking and screaming and enter into the furnace of affliction so become a holy people again God will raise up this Joseph type moshiach to teach the people righteousness and to feed them spiritually during the 7 years of famine of the Word of God
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and our president has said we are no longer a christian nation but a jewish nation, a muslim nation, a buddist nation and a nation of non-believers we will soon get the curses of deuteronomy 28,
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The choice of wording is suspect.
I'm dreaming dreams,
I'm scheming schemes,
I'm building castles high.
They're born anew,
Their days are few,
Just like a sweet butterfly.
And as the daylight is dawning,
They come again in the morning.
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and our president has said we are no longer a christian nation but a jewish nation, a muslim nation, a buddist nation and a nation of non-believers we will soon get the curses of deuteronomy 28,
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The choice of wording is suspect.
 Quoting: AlterEgo

This nation has become a mixed multitude but God will fulfill this scripture and bring a nation out of a mixed nation and these will be the lost 10 tribes being brought back to the holy land....Israel that is in Israel right now is only the southern kingdom..the northern kingdom(lost 10 tribes) will join after the destruction of the United States.

Deut. 4:31-35
For ask now of the days that are past, which were before thee, since the day that God created man upon the earth, and ask from the one side of heaven unto the other, whether there hath been any such thing as this great thing is, or hath been heard like it?

33 Did ever people hear the voice of God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as thou hast heard, and live?

34 Or hath God assayed to go and take him a nation from the midst of another nation, by temptations, by signs, and by wonders, and by war, and by a mighty hand, and by a stretched out arm, and by great terrors, according to all that the LORD your God did for you in Egypt before your eyes?

35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.

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During passover the lamb can be from either a sheep or a goat.

Exodus 12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year; ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats

Exodus is a template for Revelations. 10 plagues vs 7 plagues. Leave Egypt vs leave Babylon. All of Israel sealed from harm vs 144,000 remnant Israel sealed from harm. Blood of a lamb vs the lamb of God.
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That is very true but what I am saying is nowhere will you find Jesus being the Passover goat...he is always represented as the passover lamb...so this story is referring to another
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This nation has become a mixed multitude but God will fulfill this scripture and bring a nation out of a mixed nation and these will be the lost 10 tribes being brought back to the holy land....Israel that is in Israel right now is only the southern kingdom..the northern kingdom(lost 10 tribes) will join after the destruction of the United States.
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Isaiah 11:11 In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the surviving remnant of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia,[c] from Hamath and from the islands of the Mediterranean.

Isaiah 11:12 He will raise a banner for the nations
and gather the exiles of Israel;
he will assemble the scattered people of Judah
from the four quarters of the earth.
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This nation has become a mixed multitude but God will fulfill this scripture and bring a nation out of a mixed nation and these will be the lost 10 tribes being brought back to the holy land....Israel that is in Israel right now is only the southern kingdom..the northern kingdom(lost 10 tribes) will join after the destruction of the United States.
 Quoting: waterman


Jeremiah 31:1-2
1 “At that time,” declares the Lord, “I will be the God of all the families of Israel, and they will be my people.”

2 This is what the Lord says:

“The people who survive the sword
will find favor in the wilderness;
I will come to give rest to Israel.”



Jeremiah 31:7-8
7 This is what the Lord says:

“Sing with joy for Jacob;
shout for the foremost of the nations.
Make your praises heard, and say,
‘Lord, save your people,
the remnant of Israel.’
8 See, I will bring them from the land of the north
and gather them from the ends of the earth.
Among them will be the blind and the lame,
expectant mothers and women in labor;
a great throng will return.



Jeremiah 16-20
16 This is what the Lord says:

“Restrain your voice from weeping
and your eyes from tears,
for your work will be rewarded,”
declares the Lord.
“They will return from the land of the enemy.
17 So there is hope for your descendants,”
declares the Lord.
“Your children will return to their own land.

18 “I have surely heard Ephraim’s moaning:
‘You disciplined me like an unruly calf,
and I have been disciplined.
Restore me, and I will return,
because you are the Lord my God.
19 After I strayed,
I repented;
after I came to understand,
I beat my breast.
I was ashamed and humiliated
because I bore the disgrace of my youth.’
20 Is not Ephraim my dear son,
the child in whom I delight?
Though I often speak against him,
I still remember him.
Therefore my heart yearns for him;
I have great compassion for him,”
declares the Lord.

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The united states is where the majority of the lost 10 tribes of Israel are. How can well tell this because this once christian nation was the land of milk and honey just as deuteronomy 28 blessings say Gods people will have the united states has: blessed when you come blessed when you go, you will be a lender and not a borrower and so on and so on. Now that we have turned from God and kicked Him out of schools, courts, etc..and our president has said we are no longer a christian nation but a jewish nation, a muslim nation, a buddist nation and a nation of non-believers we will soon get the curses of deuteronomy 28, please read those they involve the whole country being destroyed and going into captivity. We as the united states have turned our land of milk and honey into a land of egypt(full of idols) One thing God always does when the people turn back to God is raise up a deliverer and this Joseph type is the one that is being talked about, just as Israel had Aaron and moses when they left Egypt(land full of idols), when we leave our egypt kicking and screaming and enter into the furnace of affliction so become a holy people again God will raise up this Joseph type moshiach to teach the people righteousness and to feed them spiritually during the 7 years of famine of the Word of God
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Awesome to see you on the forum. I've been trying to wake my Israelite brothers and sisters. 5* + Karma to you plus you are on my buddy list. May God be with the 10 tribes and may we love our kindred brethren.
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So much in Genesis is shadows and types that are prophetic.

The 10 tribes have been lost... even God says who is so blind but my servant Israel (10 tribes collectively)
JerUSAlem! Do you know where the new promised land is?

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The united states is where the majority of the lost 10 tribes of Israel are. How can well tell this because this once christian nation was the land of milk and honey just as deuteronomy 28 blessings say Gods people will have the united states has: blessed when you come blessed when you go, you will be a lender and not a borrower and so on and so on. Now that we have turned from God and kicked Him out of schools, courts, etc..and our president has said we are no longer a christian nation but a jewish nation, a muslim nation, a buddist nation and a nation of non-believers we will soon get the curses of deuteronomy 28, please read those they involve the whole country being destroyed and going into captivity. We as the united states have turned our land of milk and honey into a land of egypt(full of idols) One thing God always does when the people turn back to God is raise up a deliverer and this Joseph type is the one that is being talked about, just as Israel had Aaron and moses when they left Egypt(land full of idols), when we leave our egypt kicking and screaming and enter into the furnace of affliction so become a holy people again God will raise up this Joseph type moshiach to teach the people righteousness and to feed them spiritually during the 7 years of famine of the Word of God
 Quoting: waterman


Awesome to see you on the forum. I've been trying to wake my Israelite brothers and sisters. 5* + Karma to you plus you are on my buddy list. May God be with the 10 tribes and may we love our kindred brethren.
 Quoting: ChivalryKnight


Thank you ....the time is getting short and most people don't give it a second thought..until the nation falls down people will be preoccupied with their electronics, houses, cars, and material things
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Isn't this why good Mormons stock 7 years worth of food?
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Matthew 24:22 And unless those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved; but for the elect’s sake, those days shall be shortened.



I do not think the tribulation period will be seven years like so many people believe. By all accounts it appears to be 3.5 years. All the verses below equate to 3.5 years.



Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and think to change times and laws; and they shall be given into his hand until a time, and times, and the dividing of time.

Revelation 11:2 But the court which is outside the temple, leave out, and measure it not, for it is given unto the Gentiles; and the Holy City shall they tread under foot for forty and two months.

Revelation 11:3 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.”

Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth, speaking great things and blasphemies, and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
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The weapons of Ezekiel 39:9 have to be burned for 7 years and this won't happen on the first day of the 7 year tribulation. I believe there is a 42 month period before the 7 year tribulation that is the war of Gog and Magog...and I believe when Gog and Magog come against Israel it is the (lost 10 tribes(United States) Israel) not geographical Israel
Ezekiel 39:9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months....(I believe this 42 months is the destruction and captivity of the Americans)

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The weapons of Ezekiel 39:9 have to be burned for 7 years and this won't happen on the first day of the 7 year tribulation.
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This is after Gog and Magog are defeated. There is so much junk and weapons lying around after the war that Israel will not even need firewood for 7 years. They can just burn the scrap weapons. This is after tribuation and the wrath. This is the clean up after the war.

Ezekiel 39:3-4
3 and I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.

4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou and all thy forces and the people that are with thee. I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.

Ezekiel 39:6 6 And I will send a fire on Magog and among them that dwell confidently in the isles; and they shall know that I am the Lord.

Ezekiel 9-10
9 “‘And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the javelins and the spears; and they shall burn them with fire seven years,

10 so that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests. For they shall burn the weapons with fire, and they shall despoil those that despoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God.
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This moshiach won't come forth til he has went through the furnace of affliction, just as Jesus asked james and john if they could drink from the same cup he drank and be baptised with the same baptism he did, when they asked if they could sit on his left and right in the kingdom. This moshiach will sit on Jesus' right but not before he goes through the furnace of affliction. That furnace happens when America is destroyed and the people are taken into captivity into other countries as slaves. The purpose of this is to get the lost 10 tribes back over to the holy land that both houses jew and christian can come back together as one and Israel no longer is divided. Messiah ben joseph(the elijah type) comes first and plays the part of John the baptist introducing Jesus and making straight the way. Ben joseph is killed and lies in the street many days and then Messiah ben David comes and raises him from the dead. The jewish people will then recognize ben David. Ben David will teach righteousness and explain hidden secrets, he will feed the people spritually as Joseph fed the people with regular food during the seven years of famine. This messiah ben Joseph and messiah ben David are the ones who will sit on the right and left of Jesus in the kingdom. Jesus' purpose was to bring the lost sheep (the lost 10 tribes) back into the fold through faith in what Jesus did on the cross for the forgiveness of sin. The purpose of Ben Joseph and Ben David or as some would call them "the two witnesses" is to bring those two houses jew and christian back as one house again.
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This moshiach won't come forth til he has went through the furnace of affliction, just as Jesus asked james and john if they could drink from the same cup he drank and be baptised with the same baptism he did, when they asked if they could sit on his left and right in the kingdom. This moshiach will sit on Jesus' right but not before he goes through the furnace of affliction. That furnace happens when America is destroyed and the people are taken into captivity into other countries as slaves. The purpose of this is to get the lost 10 tribes back over to the holy land that both houses jew and christian can come back together as one and Israel no longer is divided. Messiah ben joseph(the elijah type) comes first and plays the part of John the baptist introducing Jesus and making straight the way. Ben joseph is killed and lies in the street many days and then Messiah ben David comes and raises him from the dead. The jewish people will then recognize ben David. Ben David will teach righteousness and explain hidden secrets, he will feed the people spritually as Joseph fed the people with regular food during the seven years of famine. This messiah ben Joseph and messiah ben David are the ones who will sit on the right and left of Jesus in the kingdom. Jesus' purpose was to bring the lost sheep (the lost 10 tribes) back into the fold through faith in what Jesus did on the cross for the forgiveness of sin. The purpose of Ben Joseph and Ben David or as some would call them "the two witnesses" is to bring those two houses jew and christian back as one house again.
 Quoting: waterman



What moshiach are you talking about? I know of only Yehushua (Jesus) the son of YHWH. He is the one who will come back in all his glory with his bride. There is no other. Can you give me scripture about this new moshiach?
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The weapons of Ezekiel 39:9 have to be burned for 7 years and this won't happen on the first day of the 7 year tribulation.
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This is after Gog and Magog are defeated. There is so much junk and weapons lying around after the war that Israel will not even need firewood for 7 years. They can just burn the scrap weapons. This is after tribuation and the wrath. This is the clean up after the war.

Ezekiel 39:3-4
3 and I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.

4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou and all thy forces and the people that are with thee. I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.

Ezekiel 39:6 6 And I will send a fire on Magog and among them that dwell confidently in the isles; and they shall know that I am the Lord.

Ezekiel 9-10
9 “‘And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the javelins and the spears; and they shall burn them with fire seven years,

10 so that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests. For they shall burn the weapons with fire, and they shall despoil those that despoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God.
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This is why I say there is a 42 month period before the 7 year tribulation..there has to be time to burn those weapons before the millennium reign...I don't see weapons being burned during the 1000 years of christs' reign.

The 10 days in this next verse is 10 years(7years tribulation and 42 months before the 7)
Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
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This is why I say there is a 42 month period before the 7 year tribulation..there has to be time to burn those weapons before the millennium reign...I don't see weapons being burned during the 1000 years of christs' reign.
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I see no reason why the weapons can not be burned for 7 years into the millennium as an act of cleansing. There is nothing scriptural to prevent it. It takes 7 days to purify the alters and the priests. Why not 7 years to purify the land?

I see the burning of the weapons and burying the bodies after the wrath which occurs at the end of the 3.5 years of tribulation. This is an act of cleansing after all the death, destruction and defilement.

The 10 days in this next verse is 10 years(7years tribulation and 42 months before the 7)
Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
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The 10 days of tribulation are harder to answer. I am not certain what the 10 days of tribulation are. Could be 10 years, 10 months, 10 days of awe(10 days between Yom Teruah and Yom Kippur). I will research it more.
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This moshiach won't come forth til he has went through the furnace of affliction, just as Jesus asked james and john if they could drink from the same cup he drank and be baptised with the same baptism he did, when they asked if they could sit on his left and right in the kingdom. This moshiach will sit on Jesus' right but not before he goes through the furnace of affliction. That furnace happens when America is destroyed and the people are taken into captivity into other countries as slaves. The purpose of this is to get the lost 10 tribes back over to the holy land that both houses jew and christian can come back together as one and Israel no longer is divided. Messiah ben joseph(the elijah type) comes first and plays the part of John the baptist introducing Jesus and making straight the way. Ben joseph is killed and lies in the street many days and then Messiah ben David comes and raises him from the dead. The jewish people will then recognize ben David. Ben David will teach righteousness and explain hidden secrets, he will feed the people spritually as Joseph fed the people with regular food during the seven years of famine. This messiah ben Joseph and messiah ben David are the ones who will sit on the right and left of Jesus in the kingdom. Jesus' purpose was to bring the lost sheep (the lost 10 tribes) back into the fold through faith in what Jesus did on the cross for the forgiveness of sin. The purpose of Ben Joseph and Ben David or as some would call them "the two witnesses" is to bring those two houses jew and christian back as one house again.
 Quoting: waterman



What moshiach are you talking about? I know of only Yehushua (Jesus) the son of YHWH. He is the one who will come back in all his glory with his bride. There is no other. Can you give me scripture about this new moshiach?
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When moses was in the desert there was a rock that gave forth water and God told moses to strike the rock once.
The rock represented Jesus, as Jesus gives living water. Moses struck the rock and it gave forth water. this
is representing Jesus being struck for our sins on the cross. Another day came and God said speak to the rock
and it will give forth water. Instead of speaking to the rock Moses struck the rock 2 more times and because of
this Moses didn't enter the promise land. Jesus didn't need to be sacraficed or struck again so this is the reason
for the two witnesses in the end.
Here is 2 examples of Moses playing the part of God to the people:

Exodus 4:14-16
14 And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Moses, and he said, Is not Aaron the Levite thy brother? I know
that he can speak well. And also, behold, he cometh forth to meet thee: and when he seeth thee, he will be glad in
his heart. 15 And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do.16 And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God.

Exodus 7:1
Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I make you as God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet.

Now go to Dueteronomy 18:15-19
15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

verse 15 and 16 Moses is speaking in the place of God saying I will raise up a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy bretheren, like unto me;......so that would be Jesus because Jesus is like God and moses is speaking in the place of God. Divide these verses correctly and you will see this last moshiach or prophet that is to come. The reason God sent Jesus was because the people were afraid when God came like a great fire.

now lets go to verse 17-19:
It starts out moses speaking and saying The Lord said unto me.....so now Moses isn't playing the part of God to the people here Moses is playing the part of a regular man because God is speaking to Moses. Now verse 18 God is still speaking to Moses and God says I will raise up a prophet from among their bretheren, like unto thee(like moses not like God), and I will put my words in his mouth: and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. verse 19 and it shall come to pass, that whosever will not harken
unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.......(This is that last day moshiach)

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Sorry as soon as I saw this in the article it turned me off.

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represents pharoah, as pharoah was the ruler of the greatest authority on earth at the time
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Sorry!
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I would like to hear your opinion on it...do you think God will not raise up someone as he has always done after judgement came and especially in the 7 years of spiritual famine that is coming on the world...will God just say sorry guys your on your own hope everything works out. I don't think God would.
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This moshiach won't come forth til he has went through the furnace of affliction, just as Jesus asked james and john if they could drink from the same cup he drank and be baptised with the same baptism he did, when they asked if they could sit on his left and right in the kingdom. This moshiach will sit on Jesus' right but not before he goes through the furnace of affliction. That furnace happens when America is destroyed and the people are taken into captivity into other countries as slaves. The purpose of this is to get the lost 10 tribes back over to the holy land that both houses jew and christian can come back together as one and Israel no longer is divided. Messiah ben joseph(the elijah type) comes first and plays the part of John the baptist introducing Jesus and making straight the way. Ben joseph is killed and lies in the street many days and then Messiah ben David comes and raises him from the dead. The jewish people will then recognize ben David. Ben David will teach righteousness and explain hidden secrets, he will feed the people spritually as Joseph fed the people with regular food during the seven years of famine. This messiah ben Joseph and messiah ben David are the ones who will sit on the right and left of Jesus in the kingdom. Jesus' purpose was to bring the lost sheep (the lost 10 tribes) back into the fold through faith in what Jesus did on the cross for the forgiveness of sin. The purpose of Ben Joseph and Ben David or as some would call them "the two witnesses" is to bring those two houses jew and christian back as one house again.
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What moshiach are you talking about? I know of only Yehushua (Jesus) the son of YHWH. He is the one who will come back in all his glory with his bride. There is no other. Can you give me scripture about this new moshiach?
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When moses was in the desert there was a rock that gave forth water and God told moses to strike the rock once.
The rock represented Jesus, as Jesus gives living water. Moses struck the rock and it gave forth water. this
is representing Jesus being struck for our sins on the cross. Another day came and God said speak to the rock
and it will give forth water. Instead of speaking to the rock Moses struck the rock 2 more times and because of
this Moses didn't enter the promise land. Jesus didn't need to be sacraficed or struck again so this is the reason
for the two witnesses in the end.
Here is 2 examples of Moses playing the part of God to the people:

Exodus 4:14-16
14 And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Moses, and he said, Is not Aaron the Levite thy brother? I know
that he can speak well. And also, behold, he cometh forth to meet thee: and when he seeth thee, he will be glad in
his heart. 15 And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do.16 And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God.

Exodus 7:1
Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I make you as God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet.

Now go to Dueteronomy 18:15-19
15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

verse 15 and 16 Moses is speaking in the place of God saying I will raise up a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy bretheren, like unto me;......so that would be Jesus because Jesus is like God and moses is speaking in the place of God. Divide these verses correctly and you will see this last moshiach or prophet that is to come. The reason God sent Jesus was because the people were afraid when God came like a great fire.

now lets go to verse 17-19:
It starts out moses speaking and saying The Lord said unto me.....so now Moses isn't playing the part of God to the people here Moses is playing the part of a regular man because God is speaking to Moses. Now verse 18 God is still speaking to Moses and God says I will raise up a prophet from among their bretheren, like unto thee(like moses not like God), and I will put my words in his mouth: and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. verse 19 and it shall come to pass, that whosever will not harken
unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.......(This is that last day moshiach)
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verse 15 and 16 Moses is speaking in the place of God saying I will raise up a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy bretheren, like unto me;......so that would be Jesus because Jesus is like God and moses is speaking in the place of God. Divide these verses correctly and you will see this last moshiach or prophet that is to come. The reason God sent Jesus was because the people were afraid when God came like a great fire.

now lets go to verse 17-19:
It starts out moses speaking and saying The Lord said unto me.....so now Moses isn't playing the part of God to the people here Moses is playing the part of a regular man because God is speaking to Moses. Now verse 18 God is still speaking to Moses and God says I will raise up a prophet from among their bretheren, like unto thee(like moses not like God), and I will put my words in his mouth: and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. verse 19 and it shall come to pass, that whosever will not harken
unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.......(This is that last day moshiach)
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There is still nothing scriptural about another moshiach. Yehushua did not die a spiritual death only a physical death and then he was resurrected into a new body and is free to come back. That is his 2nd coming. He died and rose again and will come back in all his glory. There is no other moshiach or messiah.

Acts 1:9-11
9 And when He had spoken these things, while they beheld, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.

10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel,

11 who also said, “Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who is taken up from you into Heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into Heaven.”



Revelation 1:7-9
7 Behold, He cometh with clouds, and every eye shall see Him, and they also who pierced Him; and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so. Amen.

8 “I Am Alpha And Omega, The Beginning And The Ending,” saith the Lord, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.

9 I, John, who also am your brother and companion in tribulation and in the Kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the isle that is called Patmos, for the Word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
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verse 15 and 16 Moses is speaking in the place of God saying I will raise up a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy bretheren, like unto me;......so that would be Jesus because Jesus is like God and moses is speaking in the place of God. Divide these verses correctly and you will see this last moshiach or prophet that is to come. The reason God sent Jesus was because the people were afraid when God came like a great fire.

now lets go to verse 17-19:
It starts out moses speaking and saying The Lord said unto me.....so now Moses isn't playing the part of God to the people here Moses is playing the part of a regular man because God is speaking to Moses. Now verse 18 God is still speaking to Moses and God says I will raise up a prophet from among their bretheren, like unto thee(like moses not like God), and I will put my words in his mouth: and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. verse 19 and it shall come to pass, that whosever will not harken
unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.......(This is that last day moshiach)
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There is still nothing scriptural about another moshiach. Yehushua did not die a spiritual death only a physical death and then he was resurrected into a new body and is free to come back. That is his 2nd coming. He died and rose again and will come back in all his glory. There is no other moshiach or messiah.

Acts 1:9-11
9 And when He had spoken these things, while they beheld, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.

10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel,

11 who also said, “Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who is taken up from you into Heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into Heaven.”



Revelation 1:7-9
7 Behold, He cometh with clouds, and every eye shall see Him, and they also who pierced Him; and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so. Amen.

8 “I Am Alpha And Omega, The Beginning And The Ending,” saith the Lord, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.

9 I, John, who also am your brother and companion in tribulation and in the Kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the isle that is called Patmos, for the Word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

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Jesus will come back in the end but not before this prophet like moses and another like aaron (the two witnesses of revelation)brings the two houses of israel (jew and gentile)(the northern kingdom, lost 10 tribes and the southern kindgdom Judah, where israel is located today), back together as one so that all of Israel is saved.
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Jesus will come back in the end but not before this prophet like moses and another like aaron (the two witnesses of revelation)brings the two houses of israel (jew and gentile)(the northern kingdom, lost 10 tribes and the southern kindgdom Judah, where israel is located today), back together as one so that all of Israel is saved.
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The two witness might be two people but I would lean more that the two witness are the two groups of people you have identified. Israel(the House of Israel/Emphraim/Joseph and the House of Judah). Moses and Elijah represent the two houses. Law and Spirit.


From a past thread I wrote:

The 2 Witnesses, the 144,000 and the woman of revelation 12 are most likely the same group or more specificly the same two groups of people. They all have the same attributes. They are sealed and have their days numbered at 1260, 42 months, times and times and a half which are all 3.5 years for witnessing. The 144,000 is based on the 12 tribes of Israel but Israel is now two groups of people. The house of Judah and the House of Israel(Ephraim/Joseph).

Israel is the witness See Isaiah 43:1-10, Isaiah 44:1-8,

Isaiah 43:10 “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord,
“And My servant whom I have chosen,
That you may know and believe Me,
And understand that I am He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
Nor shall there be after Me.


Israel is the Olive tree. See Jeremiah 11:16, Hosea 14:6 and Romans Romans 11:16-26

Jeremiah 11:16 The Lord called your name,
Green Olive Tree, Lovely and of Good Fruit.
With the noise of a great tumult
He has kindled fire on it,
And its branches are broken.


Hosea 14:6 His branches shall spread;
His beauty shall be like an olive tree,
And his fragrance like Lebanon.
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These two that raise up from the slavery and furnace of affliction will sit on the right and left of Jesus in the kingdom..the reason the more prominent witness will sit on the right is he is the firstborn of all created, and the firstborn gets a double portion.
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These two that raise up from the slavery and furnace of affliction will sit on the right and left of Jesus in the kingdom..the reason the more prominent witness will sit on the right is he is the firstborn of all created, and the firstborn gets a double portion.
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What scripture is that from?
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This last day moshiach(one like moses) will be in the volume of the book(bible) just as Jesus is. He will claim to be the son of God just as Jesus did and many will think of him as a blasphemer just as they thought Jesus was...here is a little sample:
job 42:3 3 Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not;
things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.
Job lived in his day but God's Spirit directed Job in his prophesying. For the words were toward another, and
therefore, Job did not understand why he spoke as he did, uttering words but not knowing their meaning.
Being moved by the same Spirit did those three friends prophesy, yet not in truth toward that Job, yet lacking
understanding, they were prophesying about another. Therefore their accusation toward that Job was not right! Even
as God declared!
The 3 friends prophesy job 15:7: Art thou the first man that was born? or was thou made before the hills?
Job 15:8 Hast though heard the secret of God and does thou restrain wisdom to thyself? Job 15:9 What knowest thou that we know not? what understandeth thou, which is not in us?
and it goes on...this is a foreshadow of this last day man that is the firstborn and knows the secret of God
The beginning of Job starts out he had 7 sons and 3 daughters..again this is symbolic 7 years tribulation and 3 years destruction of america....I really do recommend the this book that I started the thread with it
explains it much better than I can
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This last day moshiach(one like moses) will be in the volume of the book(bible) just as Jesus is. He will claim to be the son of God just as Jesus did and many will think of him as a blasphemer just as they thought Jesus was...here is a little sample:
job 42:3 3 Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not;
things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.
Job lived in his day but God's Spirit directed Job in his prophesying. For the words were toward another, and
therefore, Job did not understand why he spoke as he did, uttering words but not knowing their meaning.
Being moved by the same Spirit did those three friends prophesy, yet not in truth toward that Job, yet lacking
understanding, they were prophesying about another. Therefore their accusation toward that Job was not right! Even
as God declared!
The 3 friends prophesy job 15:7: Art thou the first man that was born? or was thou made before the hills?
Job 15:8 Hast though heard the secret of God and does thou restrain wisdom to thyself? Job 15:9 What knowest thou that we know not? what understandeth thou, which is not in us?
and it goes on...this is a foreshadow of this last day man that is the firstborn and knows the secret of God
The beginning of Job starts out he had 7 sons and 3 daughters..again this is symbolic 7 years tribulation and 3 years destruction of america....I really do recommend the this book that I started the thread with it
explains it much better than I can
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Are you friends with Apollyon or do you believe as he does? I do not look for another mashiach, my mashiach has come and will come again in the same form he left. He is the temple of the most high (the head) and has made the same promise to the elect (the body) to be the temple of the most high as he is.
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Isaiah 42
42 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.

3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.

4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

This servant is not Jesus because in verse 5 it says: "Thus saith the Lord, he that created the heavens....and we know from John chapter 1 the Word is Jesus and Jesus created everything so Jesus isn't talking about himself or holding his own hand in Isaiah 42 he is talking about his servant(this last day man, one like moses) again verse 5 tells you who is speaking..the creator(Jesus)
John Chapter 1:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Verse 6 of Isaiah 42 says this servant will be "a" light...Jesus isn't a light Jesus is "The" light of the world John 8:12: Then spake Jesus again unto them saying, I am "the" light of the world.

again in Isaiah 44 Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen:

2 Thus saith the Lord that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen.

and we see in verse 2 who is talking: the one that made jacob so it has to be Jesus because Jesus is the creator of everything.

Isaiah 45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.(this jacob has not known me? how is this Jesus even at the age of 12 he said he must be about his Fathers business)....This Jacob is the first born of creation or Jesus' firstborn which will get the double portion.

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Isaiah 42
42 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.

3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.

4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

This servant is not Jesus because in verse 5 it says: "Thus saith the Lord, he that created the heavens....and we know from John chapter 1 the Word is Jesus and Jesus created everything so Jesus isn't talking about himself or holding his own hand in Isaiah 42 he is talking about his servant(this last day man, one like moses) again verse 5 tells you who is speaking..the creator(Jesus)
John Chapter 1:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Verse 6 of Isaiah 42 says this servant will be "a" light...Jesus isn't a light Jesus is "The" light of the world John 8:12: Then spake Jesus again unto them saying, I am "the" light of the world.

again in Isaiah 44 Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen:

2 Thus saith the Lord that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen.

and we see in verse 2 who is talking: the one that made jacob so it has to be Jesus because Jesus is the creator of everything.

Isaiah 45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.(this jacob has not known me? how is this Jesus even at the age of 12 he said he must be about his Fathers business)....This Jacob is the first born of creation or Jesus' firstborn which will get the double portion.
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41Keep silence before me, O islands; and let the people renew their strength: let them come near; then let them speak: let us come near together to judgment. 2 Who raised up the righteous [1] man from the east, called him to his foot, gave the nations before him, and made him rule over kings? he gave them as the dust to his sword, and as driven stubble to his bow. 3 He pursued them, and passed safely; [2] even by the way that he had not gone with his feet. 4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the Lord, the first, and with the last; I am he. 5 The isles saw it, and feared; the ends of the earth were afraid, drew near, and came. 6 They helped every one his neighbour; and every one said to his brother, Be of good courage. 7 So the carpenter encouraged the goldsmith, [3] and he that smootheth with the hammer him that smote the anvil, saying, It is ready for the sodering: and he fastened it with nails, that it should not be moved. 8 But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend. 9 Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou art my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away.

10 Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness. 11 Behold, all they that were incensed against thee shall be ashamed and confounded: they shall be as nothing; and they that strive [4] with thee shall perish. 12 Thou shalt seek them, and shalt not find them, even them that contended with thee: they that war against thee shall be as nothing, and as a thing of nought. 13 For I the Lord thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee. 14 Fear not, thou worm Jacob, and ye men [5] of Israel; I will help thee, saith the Lord, and thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel

and the last verse tells who is talking: "The Lord, and thy redeemer, the Holy One of Isreal, which is no other than Jesus our redeemer. verse 14 also calls this servant a worm and we know the name Jacob means liar and deciever before he became Israel and never was Jesus a liar or a deciever.
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There is no 7 year Great Trib. Daniel's 70 weeks were fulfilled in Jesus 2000 years ago.

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Job 16:13 His archers compass me round about, he cleaveth my reins asunder,
and doth not spare; he poureth out my gall upon the ground.(who are these archers? Job
only has 3 friends around him and he is on a pile of ashes)...he is not talking about
himself but telling about the last day man

Genesis 49 And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together,
that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days.(this says last days
meaning now) and this is what will happen to Joseph in verse 22-24:22 Joseph is a fruitful bough,
even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:
23 The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him:

24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob;
(from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:)

isn't it odd the archers compass about both of these..that is because it is being prophesyied of this last day man
this moshaich to come in the last days as genesis 49 states
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