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Major_Payne
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Let's talk about how dedicated Republicans really are to creating jobs. While they talk pretty about the unemployment rate and publicly tear their clothes, don sackcloth and spread on ashes over higher veterans' unemployment rates, they do everything they can to kill any possibility of actually employing veterans.

Those are jobs we need, and jobs veterans need. But the Senate fell 2 votes short of the usual Senate supermajority they need to pass anything these days, despite Senators Snowe, Brown, Collins, Heller, and Murkowski voting with the Democrats.

The galling part is that the budget isn't an issue. The bill was fully paid for and didn't initiate new spending, and once again included Republican ideas. Still, no dice.

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We can always rely on good old Republican obstructionism.
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nice.. =/
Judgement is coming..
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Major Payne of the Communist Party speaks - so all you sheeple listen up! go stick and pray at your Odumbo shrine.
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Major Payne of the Communist Party speaks - so all you sheeple listen up! go stick and pray at your Odumbo shrine.
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What was their argument against the bill?
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We can always rely on good old Republican obstructionism.
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headbang
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What was their argument against the bill?
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


Republicans say the Bill needs to go through the House because it's a spending Bill. The Democrats claim the Bill is paid for (Pay Go) so there is no need for the House to be involved since it is not a budgetary issue. Politics.
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What was their argument against the bill?
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Republicans say the Bill needs to go through the House because it's a spending Bill. The Democrats claim the Bill is paid for (Pay Go) so there is no need for the House to be involved since it is not a budgetary issue. Politics.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


ahh I see. I do agree Republicans should have passed this bill.

We don't give our veterans the respect and care they deserve.
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What was their argument against the bill?
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


Republicans say the Bill needs to go through the House because it's a spending Bill. The Democrats claim the Bill is paid for (Pay Go) so there is no need for the House to be involved since it is not a budgetary issue. Politics.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


Kinda like all the (shovel ready jobs) the dems had to justify the stimulus?
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we don't NEED any more GOV employees... too many doing too little to nothing already.... some of them probably YOU /OP collecting gov check while sitting at home scratching your yeast infected vagina or if a guy playing with banana up your A----ole all day long .....while forcing the rest of the people to pay more taxes to pay for interests on money borrowed to fund your checks.
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Yep, slimeball Cantor and paper cahones Boehner in action again. They won't pass tax bills/budget bills/farm bills or anything else for that matter yet they have a comfortable majority which is used to say NO and that is ALL. Boehner needs to grow a pair and call the House back into session whether the Grover Norquist quislings like it or not and GET SOMETHING DONE!
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we don't NEED any more GOV employees... too many doing too little to nothing already.... some of them probably YOU /OP collecting gov check while sitting at home scratching your yeast infected vagina or if a guy playing with banana up your A----ole all day long .....while forcing the rest of the people to pay more taxes to pay for interests on money borrowed to fund your checks.
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The irony of it all is there is a 33% chance ^^^this fucking asshole^^^ works for the government himself, or a company that does 75% of it's business with the government. 1 in 3 Americans who still have jobs do. That's a fact we established here long ago.
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What was their argument against the bill?
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


Republicans say the Bill needs to go through the House because it's a spending Bill. The Democrats claim the Bill is paid for (Pay Go) so there is no need for the House to be involved since it is not a budgetary issue. Politics.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


Kinda like all the (shovel ready jobs) the dems had to justify the stimulus?
 Quoting: Chop's


You might not have liked the stimulus but it worked. Besides a third of it was tax breaks to make Republicans happy.
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What was their argument against the bill?
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


I looked the Bill up as always to get a better idea of the full picture of what is happening and it appears that S.3457 is quagmires of good laws mixed with destroy our rights laws including the following:

Amends the Internal Revenue Code to provide for a 100% continuous levy upon the property and rights of Medicare (title XVIII of the Social Security Act) providers and suppliers neglecting or refusing to pay taxes.
Repeals provisions of the Energy Policy Act of 2005 providing for a program for the research, development, demonstration, and commercial application of technologies for ultra-deepwater and unconventional natural gas and other petroleum resource exploration and production.

Permits the Secretary of State to deny, revoke, or limit a passport to any individual upon receiving certification from the Secretary of the Treasury that such individual has a delinquent tax debt in an amount in excess of $50,000.

S.3457
Latest Title: Veterans Jobs Corps Act of 2012
Sponsor: Sen Nelson, Bill [FL] (introduced 7/30/2012) Cosponsors (10)
Related Bills: S.3429
Latest Major Action: 9/19/2012 Senate floor actions. Status: Returned to the Calendar. Calendar No. 476.
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What was their argument against the bill?
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


Republicans say the Bill needs to go through the House because it's a spending Bill. The Democrats claim the Bill is paid for (Pay Go) so there is no need for the House to be involved since it is not a budgetary issue. Politics.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


The constitution says spending bill needs to originate in the House. It is typical that democrats are again ignoring the constitution. Also, how does the GOP grant themselve a vacation if Harry Reid and the democrats are in charge? You are faudulend at many levels.
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What was their argument against the bill?
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


Republicans say the Bill needs to go through the House because it's a spending Bill. The Democrats claim the Bill is paid for (Pay Go) so there is no need for the House to be involved since it is not a budgetary issue. Politics.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


Oh, OK pick
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What was their argument against the bill?
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


I looked the Bill up as always to get a better idea of the full picture of what is happening and it appears that S.3457 is quagmires of good laws mixed with destroy our rights laws including the following:

Amends the Internal Revenue Code to provide for a 100% continuous levy upon the property and rights of Medicare (title XVIII of the Social Security Act) providers and suppliers neglecting or refusing to pay taxes.
Repeals provisions of the Energy Policy Act of 2005 providing for a program for the research, development, demonstration, and commercial application of technologies for ultra-deepwater and unconventional natural gas and other petroleum resource exploration and production.

Permits the Secretary of State to deny, revoke, or limit a passport to any individual upon receiving certification from the Secretary of the Treasury that such individual has a delinquent tax debt in an amount in excess of $50,000.

S.3457
Latest Title: Veterans Jobs Corps Act of 2012
Sponsor: Sen Nelson, Bill [FL] (introduced 7/30/2012) Cosponsors (10)
Related Bills: S.3429
Latest Major Action: 9/19/2012 Senate floor actions. Status: Returned to the Calendar. Calendar No. 476.
[link to thomas.loc.gov]
 Quoting: SilverPatriot


Those are the "pay fors". They pay for it by going after certain delinquent tax payers and it looks like transferring money from a Big Oil subsidy.
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"Here's what it would have done, via The Hill:

The Veterans Jobs Corp Act would have created new job-training programs to help veterans find work in targeted fields such as national park conservation, historic preservation projects, police work and firefighting, among others."



So it would have created government jobs, not private-sector jobs.

Republicans right again!
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What was their argument against the bill?
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


Republicans say the Bill needs to go through the House because it's a spending Bill. The Democrats claim the Bill is paid for (Pay Go) so there is no need for the House to be involved since it is not a budgetary issue. Politics.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


The constitution says spending bill needs to originate in the House. It is typical that democrats are again ignoring the constitution. Also, how does the GOP grant themselve a vacation if Harry Reid and the democrats are in charge? You are faudulend at many levels.
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Obama and the Dems don need no steenkin Constitution!
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What was their argument against the bill?
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


I looked the Bill up as always to get a better idea of the full picture of what is happening and it appears that S.3457 is quagmires of good laws mixed with destroy our rights laws including the following:

Amends the Internal Revenue Code to provide for a 100% continuous levy upon the property and rights of Medicare (title XVIII of the Social Security Act) providers and suppliers neglecting or refusing to pay taxes.
Repeals provisions of the Energy Policy Act of 2005 providing for a program for the research, development, demonstration, and commercial application of technologies for ultra-deepwater and unconventional natural gas and other petroleum resource exploration and production.

Permits the Secretary of State to deny, revoke, or limit a passport to any individual upon receiving certification from the Secretary of the Treasury that such individual has a delinquent tax debt in an amount in excess of $50,000.

S.3457
Latest Title: Veterans Jobs Corps Act of 2012
Sponsor: Sen Nelson, Bill [FL] (introduced 7/30/2012) Cosponsors (10)
Related Bills: S.3429
Latest Major Action: 9/19/2012 Senate floor actions. Status: Returned to the Calendar. Calendar No. 476.
[link to thomas.loc.gov]
 Quoting: SilverPatriot


Those are the "pay fors". They pay for it by going after certain delinquent tax payers and it looks like transferring money from a Big Oil subsidy.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


It doesn't matter if you call shit "gold", it is still shit. Looks like typical Washington shit to me. Come up with a way to give the government more power, regulate people's live more, take more of other people's money and then slap a happy name on it.

Just because people refused to vote for a bad bill doesn't mean they are opposed to the the happy smiley name. They just don't want the shit.
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What was their argument against the bill?
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


I looked the Bill up as always to get a better idea of the full picture of what is happening and it appears that S.3457 is quagmires of good laws mixed with destroy our rights laws including the following:

Amends the Internal Revenue Code to provide for a 100% continuous levy upon the property and rights of Medicare (title XVIII of the Social Security Act) providers and suppliers neglecting or refusing to pay taxes.
Repeals provisions of the Energy Policy Act of 2005 providing for a program for the research, development, demonstration, and commercial application of technologies for ultra-deepwater and unconventional natural gas and other petroleum resource exploration and production.

Permits the Secretary of State to deny, revoke, or limit a passport to any individual upon receiving certification from the Secretary of the Treasury that such individual has a delinquent tax debt in an amount in excess of $50,000.

S.3457
Latest Title: Veterans Jobs Corps Act of 2012
Sponsor: Sen Nelson, Bill [FL] (introduced 7/30/2012) Cosponsors (10)
Related Bills: S.3429
Latest Major Action: 9/19/2012 Senate floor actions. Status: Returned to the Calendar. Calendar No. 476.
[link to thomas.loc.gov]
 Quoting: SilverPatriot


Those are the "pay fors". They pay for it by going after certain delinquent tax payers and it looks like transferring money from a Big Oil subsidy.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


Then by your logic since a large portion of the Agriculture Reform, Food, and Jobs Act of 2012 S.3240 consists of SNAP entitlements then what is taken from the American farmers pays for SNAP benefits.

Primary scanning of the bill:

SEC. 1101. REPEAL OF DIRECT PAYMENTS.
SEC. 1102. REPEAL OF COUNTER-CYCLICAL PAYMENTS.
SEC. 1103. REPEAL OF AVERAGE CROP REVENUE ELECTION PROGRAM.
SEC. 1436. SUSPENSION OF REDUCED PAYMENT REQUIREMENT.
SEC. 1438. AUDIT REQUIREMENTS.
SEC. 1602. SUSPENSION OF PERMANENT PRICE SUPPORT AUTHORITY.
SEC. 1603. PAYMENT LIMITATIONS.
SEC. 2206. LIMITATION ON PAYMENTS.

TITLE IV--NUTRITION
Subtitle A--Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program
Subtitle B--Commodity Distribution Programs
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What was their argument against the bill?
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


Republicans say the Bill needs to go through the House because it's a spending Bill. The Democrats claim the Bill is paid for (Pay Go) so there is no need for the House to be involved since it is not a budgetary issue. Politics.
 Quoting: Major_Payne




:lulz:paygo:lulz:

How do you paygo something when you are 16,000,000,000,000 in the hole?

They should paygo the other 16 trillion while they are at it.
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What was their argument against the bill?
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


Republicans say the Bill needs to go through the House because it's a spending Bill. The Democrats claim the Bill is paid for (Pay Go) so there is no need for the House to be involved since it is not a budgetary issue. Politics.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


lulzpaygolulz

They should paygo the other 16 trillion while they are at it.
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We are still paying off the Credit Card the Republicans used while they where in office.
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I got jumped on here on a thread the other day for saying I wasn't voting for either a Dem or Repub. I see extreme faults, schemes and the same results from "both" sides. I said I was more of an independent green and got smeared as an anti-American communist.

It's NOT communist if I'm tired of being limited to 2 lowly "parties" that have done nothing but play the same tired old bullshit games over and over and keep getting us in deeper and deeper trouble.

People ALWAYS say they want "change". How the hell are we going to get it if we keep doing the same thing over and over. Wasn't that Einstein's definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results? Isn't that what happens when you limit yourself to only TWO choices every four years?

I've seen first hand how environmentalism (Green) can create jobs, and (when it's not a scam and propaganda for big business) actually does good for health and the environment. Not always, but done correctly, without lies and power trips, it can.

Bush dumped on the vet's when he started the whole debacle in Iraq for reason's still unknown. But talk to any repub about "why" and they just say "well, yeah, but ya know". Great answer.

I talk to a far right, ex-Mormon guy every night at the dog park. He really IS a good guy. But he doesn't see how he's been brainwashed. He thinks Viet Nam was a real and just war, not the unfortunate sham for KBR and other big corp's. to profit from.

I'm staying Independent, call me what you want.
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What was their argument against the bill?
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


Republicans say the Bill needs to go through the House because it's a spending Bill. The Democrats claim the Bill is paid for (Pay Go) so there is no need for the House to be involved since it is not a budgetary issue. Politics.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


:lulz:paygo:lulz:

They should paygo the other 16 trillion while they are at it.
 Quoting: LunaticFringe


We are still paying off the Credit Card the Republicans used while they where in office.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


Link to some payoff?

The numbers show just the opposite....who's gonna pay off Barry's credit card?

Ah, fuckit. I call paygo.

Everything is cool now.
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well . The senate is majority Democrats. Now how many times have demos told the repubs that they did not need them and shut them out of procedings?

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Oh, good lord, MP makes a thread that's full of left wing propaganda...


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DISGUSTING.

As a vet, this really pisses me off.
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Democrats are already trying to politicize the vote and say, falsely, that Republicans voted against veterans.The bill violated spending limits set by the debt ceiling deal.

Democrats in the Senate have no plans to pass a defense authorization bill, which would be the first time in 50 years that the Senate, which has not passed a budget in nearly four years, will have failed to do so.

politicize it fucking demorats - your worthless for the Republic

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