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U.S. Says Disputed Islands Covered by Defense Treaty With Japan

 
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This seems like it could be pretty important given the current world happenings.
What if ?

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These islands were given to Japan by US after WWII
Why is China making noise now after all these years ?
They say cream rises to the top
Sometimes shit floats to the top as well
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" U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Kurt Campbell said islands at the heart of a dispute between Japan and China fall under an American defense pact with Japan, while urging the sides to resolve the standoff via diplomacy. "
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I honestly do not know enough background information about this situation to answer. From the sounds of things you know more than I do. My question has more to do with could the United States stay neutral in the event it comes to blows. This article in Bloomberg tonight seems to provide us with a possible answer.
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These islands were given to Japan by US after WWII
Why is China making noise now after all these years ?
 Quoting: What if ?


I am curious about something. You say that these islands were given to Japan by the US... Why does every article I read on this subject talk about them recently purchasing the islands but not one article I have read bothers to mention who they were purchased from....
What if ?

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China can ask for the island not to be used as a military base since its so close to the mainland -

But the real reason maybe Japan maybe ready to exploit it for Natural gas - and China wants to grab all the natural recources it can

Japan will not back down because they know they are in the right according to the law (treaty that China signed)
They say cream rises to the top
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Entangling alliances and bullshit mutual defense pacts were what started WWI. He we are doing it all again when nobody has any real reason to fight.
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China can ask for the island not to be used as a military base since its so close to the mainland -

But the real reason maybe Japan maybe ready to exploit it for Natural gas - and China wants to grab all the natural recources it can

Japan will not back down because they know they are in the right according to the law (treaty that China signed)
 Quoting: What if ?


...and exactly how far do our treaty obligations go regarding defending Japan? Is this possibly affected or modified if Japan fires first? On the worlds largest standing military?
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Entangling alliances and bullshit mutual defense pacts were what started WWI. He we are doing it all again when nobody has any real reason to fight.
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And here we begin to get to the really important issues..
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China can ask for the island not to be used as a military base since its so close to the mainland -

But the real reason maybe Japan maybe ready to exploit it for Natural gas - and China wants to grab all the natural recources it can

Japan will not back down because they know they are in the right according to the law (treaty that China signed)
 Quoting: What if ?


Then China needs to honor it's agreement.
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Well, say China and Japan DID throw down... what happens to all those companies that took their jobs offshore to China? They wouldn't exactly be able to continue operating there AND shipping their products back here. India would most likely become involved, too, should the region become destabilized. So... that's one way to force corporations that wish to continue business within the US BACK to the US, eh? Since Japan's polluted as hell from Fukishima, maybe they're just a piece to be sacrificed now? Pure speculation based on a simple thought experiment.

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"U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Kurt Campbell said islands at the heart of a dispute between Japan and China fall under an American defense pact with Japan"

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"The U.S. doesn’t take a position on the sovereignty of the islands"

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yes, but we're just going to ignore that treaty.
yer on yer on in this, bros. (sorry :)
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China can ask for the island not to be used as a military base since its so close to the mainland -

But the real reason maybe Japan maybe ready to exploit it for Natural gas - and China wants to grab all the natural recources it can

Japan will not back down because they know they are in the right according to the law (treaty that China signed)
 Quoting: What if ?


...and exactly how far do our treaty obligations go regarding defending Japan? Is this possibly affected or modified if Japan fires first? On the worlds largest standing military?
 Quoting: FearNoMoreorNot


Today, it means that Obama would have to give them a good talking to if either side nukes the other.
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What is the history of these islands
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well, Japan is sure History, i can tell you that.
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These islands were given to Japan by US after WWII
Why is China making noise now after all these years ?
 Quoting: What if ?


I am curious about something. You say that these islands were given to Japan by the US... Why does every article I read on this subject talk about them recently purchasing the islands but not one article I have read bothers to mention who they were purchased from....
 Quoting: FearNoMoreorNot


US would never give away those island if they were full with OIL
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the last offer Japan's gotten from Chine: give us 4 billion dollars, and we won't kick yer ass.
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My very first PIN !!! --YEA

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the last offer Japan's gotten from Chine: give us 4 billion dollars, and we won't kick yer ass.
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link?? or where do you know this ?
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the last offer Japan's gotten from Chine: give us 4 billion dollars, and we won't kick yer ass.
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link?? or where do you know this ?
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First I've heard of this as well...
Link please?
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Stupidity of merikans just went up to another totally new level.

If it belongs to japs why japs need Merikans give it to them?

Fuck japs and fuck merikans. They have not rights to give and receive what is not belongs to them.

Even japs own maps in 1785 and 1877 did not mark the island as theirs. They even marked it as it belong to chinese.
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China can ask for the island not to be used as a military base since its so close to the mainland -

But the real reason maybe Japan maybe ready to exploit it for Natural gas - and China wants to grab all the natural recources it can

Japan will not back down because they know they are in the right according to the law (treaty that China signed)
 Quoting: What if ?


Then China needs to honor it's agreement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19980561


You have no idea what you're talking about. Part of Japan's deal to surrender required them to give back all territories, they took during WWII, back to their original countries. However, later on the US and Japan made backroom deals without consultation of other countries involved and the US unilaterally gave the Japanese the Islands in the process. China at the time couldn't do anything about it. China and Taiwan has never at anytime ceded sovereignty of the islands to Japan.

You want to know why there are no mass protests in Japan over China encroaching on supposed Japanese waters? Well that's because every damn Jap knows those islands are stolen property but they think we'll keep our mouths shut and not say this is the case. Seems everyone on GLP is so blinded by their China hate that they willingly want to believe China are the Bogeymen. Be careful of what you wish for.
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Here is great history article.

The most interesting evidence is emerging from old Japanese government documents and suggests that Japan in effect stole the islands from China in 1895 as booty of war.

Collectively, these official documents leave no doubt that the Meiji government did not base its occupation of the islands following “on-site surveys time and again,” but instead annexed them as booty of war. This is the inconvenient truth that the Japanese government has conveniently evaded."

The Inconvenient Truth Behind the Diaoyu/Senkaku Islands

[link to kristof.blogs.nytimes.com]
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Maybe we're ass deep in it because provoking China into a war with Japan invokes the mutual defense pact? Japan's down hard anyway, in many ways, they're already screwed. But what would be the outcome and ramifications of throwing down with China if they started it? There's a much deeper game being played here.
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These islands were given to Japan by US after WWII
Why is China making noise now after all these years ?
 Quoting: What if ?


I am curious about something. You say that these islands were given to Japan by the US... Why does every article I read on this subject talk about them recently purchasing the islands but not one article I have read bothers to mention who they were purchased from....
 Quoting: FearNoMoreorNot


Don't need to read another fucking thing. Who...the FUCK... were they purchased from?
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Entangling alliances and bullshit mutual defense pacts were what started WWI. He we are doing it all again when nobody has any real reason to fight.
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wow. You are an idiot.
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japan is barking up the wrong bamboo shoot.
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Maybe we're ass deep in it because provoking China into a war with Japan invokes the mutual defense pact? Japan's down hard anyway, in many ways, they're already screwed. But what would be the outcome and ramifications of throwing down with China if they started it? There's a much deeper game being played here.
 Quoting: Bea Nameless


^^THIS^^
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well, Japan is sure History, i can tell you that.
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In a possible war China-Japan, perhaps North Korea will attack South and maybe Japan with missiles. USA will have to defend all of them. Taiwan too. It won't be a war for the rocks in the sea, but for the whole East Asia.

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