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U.S. Says Disputed Islands Covered by Defense Treaty With Japan

 
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These islands were given to Japan by US after WWII
Why is China making noise now after all these years ?
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I am curious about something. You say that these islands were given to Japan by the US... Why does every article I read on this subject talk about them recently purchasing the islands but not one article I have read bothers to mention who they were purchased from....
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Don't need to read another fucking thing. Who...the FUCK... were they purchased from?
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can you say: "three-hundred-and-fifty-bu-bu-bu-billion barrels of oil"?
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Why do I get the sense that the United States is being lured into something that we really don't want to be involved in?
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These islands were given to Japan by US after WWII
Why is China making noise now after all these years ?
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These islands were given to Japan by US after WWII
Why is China making noise now after all these years ?
 Quoting: What if ?


First off...what right does the US have in deciding who gets what, and why does anyone even need to give a rat's ass what the US says?

Secondly, both sides, china and japan have always argued over the sovereignty of the islands butting wasn't until recently that japan became aggressive over the islands.

It's all about the 3rd world war really..
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Why do I get the sense that the United States is being lured into something that we really don't want to be involved in?
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Of course, that feels like the plan. That way we get to wear the white hat, lol. And by we, I mean the dicks in power, not the people who are often mislead by propaganda.
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These islands were given to Japan by US after WWII
Why is China making noise now after all these years ?
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These islands were given to Japan by US after WWII
Why is China making noise now after all these years ?
 Quoting: What if ?


First off...what right does the US have in deciding who gets what, and why does anyone even need to give a rat's ass what the US says?

Secondly, both sides, china and japan have always argued over the sovereignty of the islands butting wasn't until recently that japan became aggressive over the islands.

It's all about the 3rd world war really..
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and, we can't ask who owned them before WW2, because
everyone was so backward before the war, none of
them even knew the islands were there.
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It's just Fukushima radiation getting to their head. Give them another couples of months, they should die off.
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These islands were given to Japan by US after WWII
Why is China making noise now after all these years ?
 Quoting: What if ?


These islands were given to Japan by US after WWII
Why is China making noise now after all these years ?
 Quoting: What if ?


First off...what right does the US have in deciding who gets what, and why does anyone even need to give a rat's ass what the US says?

Secondly, both sides, china and japan have always argued over the sovereignty of the islands butting wasn't until recently that japan became aggressive over the islands.

It's all about the 3rd world war really..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7261678


and, we can't ask who owned them before WW2, because
everyone was so backward before the war, none of
them even knew the islands were there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7382018



Why do such ignorant Westerners continue to show their ignorance without having the first inkling of a clue to the matter at hand. China has charts and maps, that include the Diaoyu-Tai islands, dating back centuries. The name Diaoyu-Tai means fishing table/platform as the islands have historically been used by Chinese fishermen for centuries as a base during long fishing runs.
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These islands were given to Japan by US after WWII
Why is China making noise now after all these years ?
 Quoting: What if ?


These islands were given to Japan by US after WWII
Why is China making noise now after all these years ?
 Quoting: What if ?


First off...what right does the US have in deciding who gets what, and why does anyone even need to give a rat's ass what the US says?

Secondly, both sides, china and japan have always argued over the sovereignty of the islands butting wasn't until recently that japan became aggressive over the islands.

It's all about the 3rd world war really..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7261678


and, we can't ask who owned them before WW2, because
everyone was so backward before the war, none of
them even knew the islands were there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7382018



Why do such ignorant Westerners continue to show their ignorance without having the first inkling of a clue to the matter at hand. China has charts and maps, that include the Diaoyu-Tai islands, dating back centuries. The name Diaoyu-Tai means fishing table/platform as the islands have historically been used by Chinese fishermen for centuries as a base during long fishing runs.
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hey, man, i make this stuff up as i go along. so i can't
always be right, ya know.
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These islands were given to Japan by US after WWII
Why is China making noise now after all these years ?
 Quoting: What if ?


I am curious about something. You say that these islands were given to Japan by the US... Why does every article I read on this subject talk about them recently purchasing the islands but not one article I have read bothers to mention who they were purchased from....
 Quoting: FearNoMoreorNot


Don't need to read another fucking thing. Who...the FUCK... were they purchased from?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24115643

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24115643


I also read recently that Japan purchased the islands and had been wondering exactly the same thing... Who the fuck did they purchase them from if that's the case? I don't think any of the self proclaimed experts here really know.
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I am curious about something. You say that these islands were given to Japan by the US... Why does every article I read on this subject talk about them recently purchasing the islands but not one article I have read bothers to mention who they were purchased from....
 Quoting: FearNoMoreorNot


Don't need to read another fucking thing. Who...the FUCK... were they purchased from?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24115643

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24115643


I also read recently that Japan purchased the islands and had been wondering exactly the same thing... Who the fuck did they purchase them from if that's the case? I don't think any of the self proclaimed experts here really know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21615903


Japan recently purchased the islands from some vague fisherman
in some fishing village for 345 million dollars, they say.
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and Japan slipped up because the number they used
also matches the 345 billion barrels of oil that
geological surveys have determined are under the islands :)
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We are only saying that to support Japan.

Do you really believe that the USA would risk nuclear war with China of some stupid Islands? Maybe if this was Taiwan we were talking about or Okinawa or something but not these islands.
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well, Japan is sure History, i can tell you that.
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In a possible war China-Japan, perhaps North Korea will attack South and maybe Japan with missiles. USA will have to defend all of them. Taiwan too. It won't be a war for the rocks in the sea, but for the whole East Asia.
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You are stupid. The rhretoric between Korea's is just BS. What they truly want is reunification. That might just happen with US distracted.
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I honestly do not know enough background information about this situation to answer. From the sounds of things you know more than I do. My question has more to do with could the United States stay neutral in the event it comes to blows. This article in Bloomberg tonight seems to provide us with a possible answer.
 Quoting: FearNoMoreorNot


I posted some info on this issue and it's past and current history on another thread today...


Came across this interesting page - explains the history of the conflict over these islands located between China and Japan up until 1996

[link to www1.american.edu]

And another page with a timeline of the buying plan for the islands...

[link to www.globaltimes.cn]


Thread: BREAKING!! Japan deploys ALMOST ALL THEIR SHIPS in the East China Sea to confront China! (Page 6)
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I honestly do not know enough background information about this situation to answer. From the sounds of things you know more than I do. My question has more to do with could the United States stay neutral in the event it comes to blows. This article in Bloomberg tonight seems to provide us with a possible answer.
 Quoting: FearNoMoreorNot


I posted some info on this issue and it's past and current history on another thread today...


Came across this interesting page - explains the history of the conflict over these islands located between China and Japan up until 1996

[link to www1.american.edu]

And another page with a timeline of the buying plan for the islands...

[link to www.globaltimes.cn]


Thread: BREAKING!! Japan deploys ALMOST ALL THEIR SHIPS in the East China Sea to confront China! (Page 6)
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You may have to visit the thread to find the actual working links as shown above...
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I am curious about something. You say that these islands were given to Japan by the US... Why does every article I read on this subject talk about them recently purchasing the islands but not one article I have read bothers to mention who they were purchased from....
 Quoting: FearNoMoreorNot


Don't need to read another fucking thing. Who...the FUCK... were they purchased from?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24115643

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24115643


I also read recently that Japan purchased the islands and had been wondering exactly the same thing... Who the fuck did they purchase them from if that's the case? I don't think any of the self proclaimed experts here really know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21615903


After the 1895 Sino-Japan sea war, Japan annexed the islands and a businessman by the name of Kunihara bought up the islands for commercial fishing purposes. It's the descendents of Kunihara who are selling the islands to Japan. However, as China has never acknowledged the illegal occupation, the sale is void in their eyes. For the last 40 years, China and Japan had an unwritten agreement that nobody should develop or official claim sovereignty over the islands and both parties have left it as an unresolved dispute. However, with Japan's move of official buying the islands and claiming sovereignty, they have broken the agreement and hence China's anger and reaction.
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From another very interesting thread!

Thread: READ AND TAKE IT IN. YOU BETTER BELIEVE!!!!!

"Look, the U.S. is playing chess with the world right now. Look at China and Japan. The U.S. is behind the whole incident. Japan helps the U.S. to buy time to deal with the immediate threat of the Russian/Iranian front. Without China being distracted the strategy fails. Israel is the sacrifice to an invasion of Iran, shifting to China from both side, then up to Russia"
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This seems like it could be pretty important given the current world happenings.
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Important enough for sfan
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Entangling alliances and bullshit mutual defense pacts were what started WWI. He we are doing it all again when nobody has any real reason to fight.
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wow. You are an idiot.
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So what started WWI then? Enlighten me you ignorant fucking yank.
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My very first PIN !!! --YEA

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Feels good !! Right

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Don't need to read another fucking thing. Who...the FUCK... were they purchased from?
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24115643


I also read recently that Japan purchased the islands and had been wondering exactly the same thing... Who the fuck did they purchase them from if that's the case? I don't think any of the self proclaimed experts here really know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21615903


After the 1895 Sino-Japan sea war, Japan annexed the islands and a businessman by the name of Kunihara bought up the islands for commercial fishing purposes. It's the descendents of Kunihara who are selling the islands to Japan. However, as China has never acknowledged the illegal occupation, the sale is void in their eyes. For the last 40 years, China and Japan had an unwritten agreement that nobody should develop or official claim sovereignty over the islands and both parties have left it as an unresolved dispute. However, with Japan's move of official buying the islands and claiming sovereignty, they have broken the agreement and hence China's anger and reaction.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18761670


You were close. Kurihara bought a few in the 70's.

The Japanese central government formally annexed the islands on 14 January 1895. Around 1900, Japanese entrepreneur Koga Tatsushirō constructed a bonito processing plant on the islands with 200 workers. The business failed in 1940 and the islands have remained deserted ever since. In the 1970s, Koga Tatsushirō's descendents Zenji and Hanako Tatsushirō sold four islets to the Kurihara family of Saitama Prefecture. Kunioki Kurihara[18] owned Uotsuri, Kita-Kojima, and Minami-Kojima. Kunioki's sister owns Kuba.
 Quoting: wiki


I don't see why Tatsushiros descendents sold it when they would have known there was possibly oil nearby.
it was discovered in 1968 that oil reserves might be found under the sea near the islands.
 Quoting: wiki


Are we to assume Tatsushiros descendents still own the rest of the islands? It says they only sold four islets to Kurihara. If they own the rest it would explain why they would sell.
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You were close. Kurihara bought a few in the 70's.

The Japanese central government formally annexed the islands on 14 January 1895. Around 1900, Japanese entrepreneur Koga Tatsushirō constructed a bonito processing plant on the islands with 200 workers. The business failed in 1940 and the islands have remained deserted ever since. In the 1970s, Koga Tatsushirō's descendents Zenji and Hanako Tatsushirō sold four islets to the Kurihara family of Saitama Prefecture. Kunioki Kurihara[18] owned Uotsuri, Kita-Kojima, and Minami-Kojima. Kunioki's sister owns Kuba.
 Quoting: wiki


I don't see why Tatsushiros descendents sold it when they would have known there was possibly oil nearby.
it was discovered in 1968 that oil reserves might be found under the sea near the islands.
 Quoting: wiki


Are we to assume Tatsushiros descendents still own the rest of the islands? It says they only sold four islets to Kurihara. If they own the rest it would explain why they would sell.
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sorry forgot the wiki link.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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"very complex and challenging matter"


it's a fucking rock and they both claim to own it.

that is not rocket science.
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Maybe we're ass deep in it because provoking China into a war with Japan invokes the mutual defense pact? Japan's down hard anyway, in many ways, they're already screwed. But what would be the outcome and ramifications of throwing down with China if they started it? There's a much deeper game being played here.
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^^THIS^^
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Game of death

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In before Japan kicks the hell out of China in a surprise repeat match.

If you honestly think Japan, a country that has the technology and economic prowess to pretty much do anything, wouldn't be ready for China, you're mistaken.
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Entangling alliances and bullshit mutual defense pacts were what started WWI. He we are doing it all again when nobody has any real reason to fight.
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Indeed spock
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the last offer Japan's gotten from Chine: give us 4 billion dollars, and we won't kick yer ass.
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link?? or where do you know this ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24157469


Nailed it! You see the first couple islands were the original American islands given back to Japan. The other is a cheap Chinese manufactured knock off. China just wants its share of the "pay"

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