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Would You Be Willing To Die For Your Faith?

 
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Dying is easy, everyone does it at one time or another, living for your faith is another thing, if more people did that, we wouldn't be in this mess.
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That is a good point, you can define a lifetime of living your faith as a much more difficult task than a quick death for your faith. I would like to think that they go hand in hand, as in if you are willing to die for your faith, then you most likely live it to the best of your ability.
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Would I profess my beliefs knowing that doing so would probably result in my death?

Yes.

My beliefs are my own. They aren't yours, or that guy's.

If you can easily be stomped down by the heel of oppression's steel-toed boot then you have no faith. My faith is in God, and in the end simply threatening my life would not change that. I believe you are talking about those who, in the end times, are going to be beheaded for being Christian? Is the evil that created such an idea not proof enough that there is an alternative Good out there as well? Without light there is no shadow. It is a test.

As for those people dying for the reward, instead of the love of Christ, I believe that to be an unfortunate side effect of fear of the alternative. I don't believe that Jesus ever wanted us to fear the afterlife, only to trust in His word.

That being said, every man has their breaking point. A harder question comes in if you had the life of someone else in your hands, and you were asked your faith, and your answer could put someone else to death, what would you do? In that circumstance is it alright to lie, to save that person? Or is that a test of faith? What is the right thing to do in that situation, to save that person or to Save yourself?
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Would I profess my beliefs knowing that doing so would probably result in my death?

Yes.

My beliefs are my own. They aren't yours, or that guy's.

If you can easily be stomped down by the heel of oppression's steel-toed boot then you have no faith. My faith is in God, and in the end simply threatening my life would not change that. I believe you are talking about those who, in the end times, are going to be beheaded for being Christian? Is the evil that created such an idea not proof enough that there is an alternative Good out there as well? Without light there is no shadow. It is a test.

As for those people dying for the reward, instead of the love of Christ, I believe that to be an unfortunate side effect of fear of the alternative. I don't believe that Jesus ever wanted us to fear the afterlife, only to trust in His word.

That being said, every man has their breaking point. A harder question comes in if you had the life of someone else in your hands, and you were asked your faith, and your answer could put someone else to death, what would you do? In that circumstance is it alright to lie, to save that person? Or is that a test of faith? What is the right thing to do in that situation, to save that person or to Save yourself?
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I admire your strength of faith. Your question is definitely a moral quandary, but I believe that any time you denounce your belief in God is wrong, so I would have to say that by professing your faith in God, you are saving both yours and that other person's soul.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.
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Dying is easy, everyone does it at one time or another, living for your faith is another thing, if more people did that, we wouldn't be in this mess.
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That is a good point, you can define a lifetime of living your faith as a much more difficult task than a quick death for your faith. I would like to think that they go hand in hand, as in if you are willing to die for your faith, then you most likely live it to the best of your ability.
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You got it. hf

Sometimes the end result is death...
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This is truly a chilling question, because it causes us to consider whether we would have the strength and courage to profess our faith in the face of death.

I'm sure most of you remember Columbine, when members of the "trench-coat mafia" asked students if they believed in God before they were shot to death. Have you ever put yourself in that position, and pondered what you would do?

I cannot honestly say what I would do, I'd like to think that I would be brave enough to state my beliefs. What about you?
 Quoting: Rising Son


Set your mind on things above, not on things of this world... for you are DEAD and your life is hidden in Christ.

Christians, your life is already in heaven, you are already dead "by faith" to this world and all its corruption.

It is no longer I that lives, but Christ Who lives in me!
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Dying is easy, everyone does it at one time or another, living for your faith is another thing, if more people did that, we wouldn't be in this mess.
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That is a good point, you can define a lifetime of living your faith as a much more difficult task than a quick death for your faith. I would like to think that they go hand in hand, as in if you are willing to die for your faith, then you most likely live it to the best of your ability.
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You got it. hf

Sometimes the end result is death...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17282571


hf
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

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This is truly a chilling question, because it causes us to consider whether we would have the strength and courage to profess our faith in the face of death.

I'm sure most of you remember Columbine, when members of the "trench-coat mafia" asked students if they believed in God before they were shot to death. Have you ever put yourself in that position, and pondered what you would do?

I cannot honestly say what I would do, I'd like to think that I would be brave enough to state my beliefs. What about you?
 Quoting: Rising Son


Set your mind on things above, not on things of this world... for you are DEAD and your life is hidden in Christ.

Christians, your life is already in heaven, you are already dead "by faith" to this world and all its corruption.

It is no longer I that lives, but Christ Who lives in me!
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Could you elaborate a little more, my friend? I think I know what you mean, but your conclusions imply that our fate is already decided, and that our time here on earth is pointless. Am I misunderstanding you?

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"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.
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I was born in catholicism. Was baptized and confirmed. I believed... then i became a thinking adult and realized it was all a lie.

Before i was "happy" cause i did what a book told me to do. Now, i am. Its not always perfect but its real, not a fairytale allegedly thought up by desert dwellers 2,000 years ago to control violent people.

Would i die for atheism? No.

Would i die to prevent a religious fanatic to cause harm to the people i love? Hell yeah!
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id be willing to die for Jesus! He died for me.
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I was born in catholicism. Was baptized and confirmed. I believed... then i became a thinking adult and realized it was all a lie.

Before i was "happy" cause i did what a book told me to do. Now, i am. Its not always perfect but its real, not a fairytale allegedly thought up by desert dwellers 2,000 years ago to control violent people.

Would i die for atheism? No.

Would i die to prevent a religious fanatic to cause harm to the people i love? Hell yeah!
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Love is the common denominator that unites all of us. No matter what we believe, we can all relate to love. However, when hate replaces love, it perverts our perception of this world, and we become unhappy people who do not know love.

Last Edited by Rising Son on 09/21/2012 07:35 AM
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.
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This is truly a chilling question, because it causes us to consider whether we would have the strength and courage to profess our faith in the face of death.

I'm sure most of you remember Columbine, when members of the "trench-coat mafia" asked students if they believed in God before they were shot to death. Have you ever put yourself in that position, and pondered what you would do?

I cannot honestly say what I would do, I'd like to think that I would be brave enough to state my beliefs. What about you?
 Quoting: Rising Son


Set your mind on things above, not on things of this world... for you are DEAD and your life is hidden in Christ.

Christians, your life is already in heaven, you are already dead "by faith" to this world and all its corruption.

It is no longer I that lives, but Christ Who lives in me!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21195758


Could you elaborate a little more, my friend? I think I know what you mean, but your conclusions imply that our fate is already decided, and that our time here on earth is pointless. Am I misunderstanding you?
 Quoting: Rising Son


There is a storm coming. The return of Jesus Christ is FINAL and NO human flesh will survive!

His coming is seven times brighter than the sun, all things that are not washed in His Blood will melt at the brightness of His coming.
The only thing that will remain are those souls who have been purged from sin by His Cleansing Blood.

Are you walking in FAITH or FEAR?

Those who come to God must believe that He is and is the rewarder of those who seek Him.

Today is the day of salvation, fall in love with Jesus Christ while you still have life in your mortal body. amen
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This is truly a chilling question, because it causes us to consider whether we would have the strength and courage to profess our faith in the face of death.

I'm sure most of you remember Columbine, when members of the "trench-coat mafia" asked students if they believed in God before they were shot to death. Have you ever put yourself in that position, and pondered what you would do?

I cannot honestly say what I would do, I'd like to think that I would be brave enough to state my beliefs. What about you?
 Quoting: Rising Son


Set your mind on things above, not on things of this world... for you are DEAD and your life is hidden in Christ.

Christians, your life is already in heaven, you are already dead "by faith" to this world and all its corruption.

It is no longer I that lives, but Christ Who lives in me!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21195758


Could you elaborate a little more, my friend? I think I know what you mean, but your conclusions imply that our fate is already decided, and that our time here on earth is pointless. Am I misunderstanding you?
 Quoting: Rising Son


There is a storm coming. The return of Jesus Christ is FINAL and NO human flesh will survive!

His coming is seven times brighter than the sun, all things that are not washed in His Blood will melt at the brightness of His coming.
The only thing that will remain are those souls who have been purged from sin by His Cleansing Blood.

Are you walking in FAITH or FEAR?

Those who come to God must believe that He is and is the rewarder of those who seek Him.

Today is the day of salvation, fall in love with Jesus Christ while you still have life in your mortal body. amen
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21195758


Thank you, my friend :-) That is what I thought you meant, that we still have a choice on this earth, and that our fate has not already been decided. We can still affect our own outcome, simply by releasing our hate and embracing God's love.
hf
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Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.
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The fear of death can be overwhelming. Look at Jesus' disciple Peter - he witnessed countless miracles at Jesus' hand, he saw impossible things with his own eyes, and yet he was still afraid to die, as evidenced by his denial of Jesus.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.
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The fear of death can be overwhelming. Look at Jesus' disciple Peter - he witnessed countless miracles at Jesus' hand, he saw impossible things with his own eyes, and yet he was still afraid to die, as evidenced by his denial of Jesus.
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Yes his name is Peter, I am thinking that Peter is the stone "earth" and upon this stone I will build My Church!

In the account in scripture you will notice ..... John is the one who entered the council of condemnation with Jesus Christ,Peter "the flesh was afraid to enter the court of condemnation of Christ!

So please understand that we as Christians live in the world "the flesh/ human body of death" but our spirit has become one with His Spirit so we do not need to fear as Peter did... "FEAR NOT LITTLE ONES, FOR I HAVE OVERCOME THE WORLD"
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This is truly a chilling question, because it causes us to consider whether we would have the strength and courage to profess our faith in the face of death.

I'm sure most of you remember Columbine, when members of the "trench-coat mafia" asked students if they believed in God before they were shot to death. Have you ever put yourself in that position, and pondered what you would do?

I cannot honestly say what I would do, I'd like to think that I would be brave enough to state my beliefs. What about you?
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YES, I would lay down my life for my GOD.
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This is truly a chilling question, because it causes us to consider whether we would have the strength and courage to profess our faith in the face of death.

I'm sure most of you remember Columbine, when members of the "trench-coat mafia" asked students if they believed in God before they were shot to death. Have you ever put yourself in that position, and pondered what you would do?

I cannot honestly say what I would do, I'd like to think that I would be brave enough to state my beliefs. What about you?
 Quoting: Rising Son


lets just say its alot easier now than it was, say.... 35 BC... or the medieval times...

Instead of a bloody cross, Jesus would've gotten a lethal injection. Instead of being disembowled, castrated, drawn and quartered... we get a shot in the arm.

in the columbine example of course say yes because your dead anyway.

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Yes,I would let a Catholic Priest suck me off to death.....(what a way to go)!
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This is truly a chilling question, because it causes us to consider whether we would have the strength and courage to profess our faith in the face of death.

I'm sure most of you remember Columbine, when members of the "trench-coat mafia" asked students if they believed in God before they were shot to death. Have you ever put yourself in that position, and pondered what you would do?

I cannot honestly say what I would do, I'd like to think that I would be brave enough to state my beliefs. What about you?
 Quoting: Rising Son


Set your mind on things above, not on things of this world... for you are DEAD and your life is hidden in Christ.

Christians, your life is already in heaven, you are already dead "by faith" to this world and all its corruption.

It is no longer I that lives, but Christ Who lives in me!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21195758


Could you elaborate a little more, my friend? I think I know what you mean, but your conclusions imply that our fate is already decided, and that our time here on earth is pointless. Am I misunderstanding you?
 Quoting: Rising Son


There is a storm coming. The return of Jesus Christ is FINAL and NO human flesh will survive!

His coming is seven times brighter than the sun, all things that are not washed in His Blood will melt at the brightness of His coming.
The only thing that will remain are those souls who have been purged from sin by His Cleansing Blood.

Are you walking in FAITH or FEAR?

Those who come to God must believe that He is and is the rewarder of those who seek Him.

Today is the day of salvation, fall in love with Jesus Christ while you still have life in your mortal body. amen
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Faith or fear? Neither. I walk the very noble and honest path of reality. I choose not to be deluded :-)
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This is truly a chilling question, because it causes us to consider whether we would have the strength and courage to profess our faith in the face of death.

I'm sure most of you remember Columbine, when members of the "trench-coat mafia" asked students if they believed in God before they were shot to death. Have you ever put yourself in that position, and pondered what you would do?

I cannot honestly say what I would do, I'd like to think that I would be brave enough to state my beliefs. What about you?
 Quoting: Rising Son


lets just say its alot easier now than it was, say.... 35 BC... or the medieval times...

Instead of a bloody cross, Jesus would've gotten a lethal injection. Instead of being disembowled, castrated, drawn and quartered... we get a shot in the arm.

in the columbine example of course say yes because your dead anyway.
 Quoting: Dr.DoomLittle


I believe that a time is coming where our faith in God will be truly tested with the threat of death. For those with true faith in God, there is no fear in death. The question is what would you do?
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.
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This is truly a chilling question, because it causes us to consider whether we would have the strength and courage to profess our faith in the face of death.

I'm sure most of you remember Columbine, when members of the "trench-coat mafia" asked students if they believed in God before they were shot to death. Have you ever put yourself in that position, and pondered what you would do?

I cannot honestly say what I would do, I'd like to think that I would be brave enough to state my beliefs. What about you?
 Quoting: Rising Son


lets just say its alot easier now than it was, say.... 35 BC... or the medieval times...

Instead of a bloody cross, Jesus would've gotten a lethal injection. Instead of being disembowled, castrated, drawn and quartered... we get a shot in the arm.

in the columbine example of course say yes because your dead anyway.
 Quoting: Dr.DoomLittle


I believe that a time is coming where our faith in God will be truly tested with the threat of death. For those with true faith in God, there is no fear in death. The question is what would you do?
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For me to live is Christ, but to die is gain! amen
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This is truly a chilling question, because it causes us to consider whether we would have the strength and courage to profess our faith in the face of death.

I'm sure most of you remember Columbine, when members of the "trench-coat mafia" asked students if they believed in God before they were shot to death. Have you ever put yourself in that position, and pondered what you would do?

I cannot honestly say what I would do, I'd like to think that I would be brave enough to state my beliefs. What about you?
 Quoting: Rising Son


lets just say its alot easier now than it was, say.... 35 BC... or the medieval times...

Instead of a bloody cross, Jesus would've gotten a lethal injection. Instead of being disembowled, castrated, drawn and quartered... we get a shot in the arm.

in the columbine example of course say yes because your dead anyway.
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I believe that a time is coming where our faith in God will be truly tested with the threat of death. For those with true faith in God, there is no fear in death. The question is what would you do?
 Quoting: Rising Son


its a no brainer to keep your options open. Adamantly stating there "is no god" is just as ignorant as adamantly saying "there IS a god"
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This is truly a chilling question, because it causes us to consider whether we would have the strength and courage to profess our faith in the face of death.

I'm sure most of you remember Columbine, when members of the "trench-coat mafia" asked students if they believed in God before they were shot to death. Have you ever put yourself in that position, and pondered what you would do?

I cannot honestly say what I would do, I'd like to think that I would be brave enough to state my beliefs. What about you?
 Quoting: Rising Son


lets just say its alot easier now than it was, say.... 35 BC... or the medieval times...

Instead of a bloody cross, Jesus would've gotten a lethal injection. Instead of being disembowled, castrated, drawn and quartered... we get a shot in the arm.

in the columbine example of course say yes because your dead anyway.
 Quoting: Dr.DoomLittle


I believe that a time is coming where our faith in God will be truly tested with the threat of death. For those with true faith in God, there is no fear in death. The question is what would you do?
 Quoting: Rising Son


its a no brainer to keep your options open. Adamantly stating there "is no god" is just as ignorant as adamantly saying "there IS a god"
 Quoting: Dr.DoomLittle


My friend, you cannot sit on a fence forever. Sooner or later, you have to take a stand for what you believe. I think that you entered this thread to mock me, but that would be an assumption.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

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How did I know that, I'd get that generic excuse? I rather dislike it, when atheist "truthers" pride themselves on trying to find the "Truth", but are in fact only limited to one subject in particular. Bill Cooper is a perfect example of someone who before was an unbeliever, but did not let that limitation stop him from wanting the truth and what did he find out??? That the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is REAL. So I ask you, just how wanting of the Truth are you? Why not do what a true truther is supposed to? Here, you have a manual to find God, but instead of doing the truther thing and seeing it out, you reject it. Ha. As for religion, what do you mean? That I'm supposed to partake in pagan traditions such a Christ-mass, Ish-tar, self worship days and the like? Or am I'm supposed to reject the true Sabbath for sun-day worship? Or am I supposed to be someone who talks the talk, but doesn't walk the walk of Christ? With all that said, if you won't do what it takes to find the Truth, then don't even dare call yourself "awake" or a "truther" for you bring shame to such titles. I have already and through that, I found God. You can do the same.
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Certainly. But if he's invisible and silent I'm going to have a problem with that...fire away :-)
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Lord willing, read Acts 2:38, Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, John 14:26 and Romans 8 KJV. Now, lets see if I can finally find an atheist that puts their money where their mouth is. Not one of them has yet. :)
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I re-read those chapters as I enjoy reading the bible much like I enjoy reading the book of thoth or the necronomicon. I don't 'believe' in any of those books. They're just fun to read.
I'm sorry mate, but if 'the father' has to resort to the printing press to get his message out then he's a pitiful and apathetic father.
When I want my son to do something I tell him myself and if I happen to leave him a note asking him to do something, he'll do it because he knows I wrote it. If my neighbour writes a note (on my behalf) telling him to do something I won't blame him if he doesn't. In f
act I would commend him for not doing it.
Religion is very comforting to you I'm sure, but that doesn't make it true. :-)
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I dont believe in the bible either. I do believe in a "god" but not jesus. I am more "spiritual" than ANY of the church going hypocrites I know.

I dont need to wait till Sunday, get dressed up, pay some money to church to sit and sing and listen to some dude twist the word of man written in a book ment to enslave humanity, to talk to my god. My god hears me always and talks to me whenever I want.
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Re: Would You Be Willing To Die For Your Faith?
How did I know that, I'd get that generic excuse? I rather dislike it, when atheist "truthers" pride themselves on trying to find the "Truth", but are in fact only limited to one subject in particular. Bill Cooper is a perfect example of someone who before was an unbeliever, but did not let that limitation stop him from wanting the truth and what did he find out??? That the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is REAL. So I ask you, just how wanting of the Truth are you? Why not do what a true truther is supposed to? Here, you have a manual to find God, but instead of doing the truther thing and seeing it out, you reject it. Ha. As for religion, what do you mean? That I'm supposed to partake in pagan traditions such a Christ-mass, Ish-tar, self worship days and the like? Or am I'm supposed to reject the true Sabbath for sun-day worship? Or am I supposed to be someone who talks the talk, but doesn't walk the walk of Christ? With all that said, if you won't do what it takes to find the Truth, then don't even dare call yourself "awake" or a "truther" for you bring shame to such titles. I have already and through that, I found God. You can do the same.
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Lord willing, read Acts 2:38, Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, John 14:26 and Romans 8 KJV. Now, lets see if I can finally find an atheist that puts their money where their mouth is. Not one of them has yet. :)
 Quoting: cmoG530


I re-read those chapters as I enjoy reading the bible much like I enjoy reading the book of thoth or the necronomicon. I don't 'believe' in any of those books. They're just fun to read.
I'm sorry mate, but if 'the father' has to resort to the printing press to get his message out then he's a pitiful and apathetic father.
When I want my son to do something I tell him myself and if I happen to leave him a note asking him to do something, he'll do it because he knows I wrote it. If my neighbour writes a note (on my behalf) telling him to do something I won't blame him if he doesn't. In f
act I would commend him for not doing it.
Religion is very comforting to you I'm sure, but that doesn't make it true. :-)
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 Quoting: cmoG530


I dont believe in the bible either. I do believe in a "god" but not jesus. I am more "spiritual" than ANY of the church going hypocrites I know.

I dont need to wait till Sunday, get dressed up, pay some money to church to sit and sing and listen to some dude twist the word of man written in a book ment to enslave humanity, to talk to my god. My god hears me always and talks to me whenever I want.
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I too believe that we each have a personal relationship with God, as long as we are open and receptive. I agree with you, that there are many hypocrites that say one thing and do another. They do not matter, you shouldn't trouble yourself with them. I would rather concentrate on preparing myself, and demonstrating my faith in God through example. I fail at this time and time again, but I never stop trying :-)
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.
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lets just say its alot easier now than it was, say.... 35 BC... or the medieval times...

Instead of a bloody cross, Jesus would've gotten a lethal injection. Instead of being disembowled, castrated, drawn and quartered... we get a shot in the arm.

in the columbine example of course say yes because your dead anyway.
 Quoting: Dr.DoomLittle


I believe that a time is coming where our faith in God will be truly tested with the threat of death. For those with true faith in God, there is no fear in death. The question is what would you do?
 Quoting: Rising Son


its a no brainer to keep your options open. Adamantly stating there "is no god" is just as ignorant as adamantly saying "there IS a god"
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My friend, you cannot sit on a fence forever. Sooner or later, you have to take a stand for what you believe. I think that you entered this thread to mock me, but that would be an assumption.
 Quoting: Rising Son


No, that is a false assumption. I dont think anyone can presume to know a damned thing about what they truly dont know anything about; therefore, any institution that represents it knows something about something it knows nothing about is an institution of falsehood, deception, and corruption.

Once you realize that ALL institutions of faith originate from the ELITE; or those that seek 'the control of many by the few', you realize our entire existence is built on fictions; in fact, BAD FAITH fictions that would lead us AWAY from what is enlightenment... for their control.

Apparently you see things in black and white, because of the way youve presented the "stand for your faith"... this is institutionally learned... to fight their wars for them.

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I believe that a time is coming where our faith in God will be truly tested with the threat of death. For those with true faith in God, there is no fear in death. The question is what would you do?
 Quoting: Rising Son


its a no brainer to keep your options open. Adamantly stating there "is no god" is just as ignorant as adamantly saying "there IS a god"
 Quoting: Dr.DoomLittle


My friend, you cannot sit on a fence forever. Sooner or later, you have to take a stand for what you believe. I think that you entered this thread to mock me, but that would be an assumption.
 Quoting: Rising Son


No, that is a false assumption. I dont think anyone can presume to know a damned thing about what they truly dont know anything about; therefore, any institution that represents it knows something about something it knows nothing about is an institution of falsehood, deception, and corruption.

Once you realize that ALL institutions of faith originate from the ELITE; or those that seek 'the control of many by the few', you realize our entire existence is built on fictions; in fact, BAD FAITH fictions that would lead us AWAY from what is enlightenment... for their control.
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My friend, your words are marked with fear, paranoia, and hatred. You sound like a tortured soul, like you have been through the ringer. I do not judge you for your beliefs, I would ask that you do the same :-)
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.
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its a no brainer to keep your options open. Adamantly stating there "is no god" is just as ignorant as adamantly saying "there IS a god"
 Quoting: Dr.DoomLittle


My friend, you cannot sit on a fence forever. Sooner or later, you have to take a stand for what you believe. I think that you entered this thread to mock me, but that would be an assumption.
 Quoting: Rising Son


No, that is a false assumption. I dont think anyone can presume to know a damned thing about what they truly dont know anything about; therefore, any institution that represents it knows something about something it knows nothing about is an institution of falsehood, deception, and corruption.

Once you realize that ALL institutions of faith originate from the ELITE; or those that seek 'the control of many by the few', you realize our entire existence is built on fictions; in fact, BAD FAITH fictions that would lead us AWAY from what is enlightenment... for their control.
 Quoting: Dr.DoomLittle


My friend, your words are marked with fear, paranoia, and hatred. You sound like a tortured soul, like you have been through the ringer. I do not judge you for your beliefs, I would ask that you do the same :-)
 Quoting: Rising Son


Nice pillar of judgement...

also institutionally learned.

Lemme guess... Christian!

"Ye hath already judged; yet tho art not the judge yet THE LORD wouldst have thee be the judge."

You like that? made it up myself.

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My friend, you cannot sit on a fence forever. Sooner or later, you have to take a stand for what you believe. I think that you entered this thread to mock me, but that would be an assumption.
 Quoting: Rising Son


No, that is a false assumption. I dont think anyone can presume to know a damned thing about what they truly dont know anything about; therefore, any institution that represents it knows something about something it knows nothing about is an institution of falsehood, deception, and corruption.

Once you realize that ALL institutions of faith originate from the ELITE; or those that seek 'the control of many by the few', you realize our entire existence is built on fictions; in fact, BAD FAITH fictions that would lead us AWAY from what is enlightenment... for their control.
 Quoting: Dr.DoomLittle


My friend, your words are marked with fear, paranoia, and hatred. You sound like a tortured soul, like you have been through the ringer. I do not judge you for your beliefs, I would ask that you do the same :-)
 Quoting: Rising Son


Nice pillar of judgement...

"Ye hath already judged; yet tho art not the judge yet THE LORD wouldst have thee be the judge."

You like that? made it up myself.

also institutionally learned.

Lemme guess... Christian!
 Quoting: Dr.DoomLittle


I am sorry if you thought I was judging you. In truth, I feel sorry for you because you sound very unhappy. If my perception of you is wrong, I apologize.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.
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No, that is a false assumption. I dont think anyone can presume to know a damned thing about what they truly dont know anything about; therefore, any institution that represents it knows something about something it knows nothing about is an institution of falsehood, deception, and corruption.

Once you realize that ALL institutions of faith originate from the ELITE; or those that seek 'the control of many by the few', you realize our entire existence is built on fictions; in fact, BAD FAITH fictions that would lead us AWAY from what is enlightenment... for their control.
 Quoting: Dr.DoomLittle


My friend, your words are marked with fear, paranoia, and hatred. You sound like a tortured soul, like you have been through the ringer. I do not judge you for your beliefs, I would ask that you do the same :-)
 Quoting: Rising Son


Nice pillar of judgement...

"Ye hath already judged; yet tho art not the judge yet THE LORD wouldst have thee be the judge."

You like that? made it up myself.

also institutionally learned.

Lemme guess... Christian!
 Quoting: Dr.DoomLittle


I am sorry if you thought I was judging you. In truth, I feel sorry for you because you sound very unhappy. If my perception of you is wrong, I apologize.
 Quoting: Rising Son


no worries; its ok just dont draw and quarter me like they did in 'old school' medieval christianity for not agreeing with you.

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