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How did Christianity get started?

 
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So did Joshua (a/k/a Jesus) actually live?
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Yes but it was during the Greek period of rule of Judea, around 100 BC, and he was stoned to death, not crucified. And he was an Essene, and he was not made into a god by his followers. His story and teachings became a part of the composite god Jesus that was created by the ruling Romans in the 4th century.
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If this is true, explain the 110 A.D. letter of Pliny the Younger, the governer of Asia and a pagan, to the Roman Emperor describing Christians and Christian practices, specifically related to how Christians viewed Jesus as God and how to supress them.

What about Tacitus, another pagan, who mentions Christians in Rome during the 1st century?

What about all the Bible fragments that have been dated to the 2nd century?
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,Christian' at that point in time had nothing to do with a belief in a man-god-savior named Jesus. The association of the term christian to mean the worshippers of Jesus did not happen until the 4th century.
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The one we call "Jesus" predates this entire creation. He was introduced to us in the garden of Eden when God tells Lucifer that the seed of the woman would bruise his head and Luci would bruise His heel. That was one reason for the horrid genetic manipulations trying to disrupt man's DNA. If you look closely where the flood of Noah is introduced, we are told that Noah was perfect in his generations. Not a perfect man, or even a good man, but chosen because his DNA wasn't screwed with.

There is much deep knowledge hidden in plain view but the bulk of the idiots that start Christianity bashing threads don't know anything of which they talk. They are just loud empty banging of a drum.

Christ is Greek "Christos" which means Messiah, Mashiach, it looks different in different languages but is the same.

Christian was a derogatory term that the Romans nicknamed the early church people referring to them as "little Christs".

Now, Messiah will return and establish His Kingdom. The secular jewish people of the day wanted a military general to overthrow Rome but how short sighted is that considering the havoc that the Egyptians, Assyrians, and Babylonians wrecked upon Israel at different times. The self centered lot wanted themselves rescued but rejected their own Savior.
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Re: How did Christianity get started?
Atheism is the NWO lie.

Christianity was foretold to begin in prophetic books with the coming of Jesus, and was fulfilled. The histories of the Bible predate the Hebrew nation. Moses compiled the book of Genesis from earlier writers thought to have been witnesses back to and including Adam. (Wiseman Hypothesis)
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Wasn't the expected Messiah supposed to be a great military leader who would defeat the Romans?
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Atheism is the NWO lie.

Christianity was foretold to begin in prophetic books with the coming of Jesus, and was fulfilled. The histories of the Bible predate the Hebrew nation. Moses compiled the book of Genesis from earlier writers thought to have been witnesses back to and including Adam. (Wiseman Hypothesis)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24201218


Wasn't the expected Messiah supposed to be a great military leader who would defeat the Romans?
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Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enosh – Mortal
Kenan – Sorrow
Mahalalel – The blessed God
Jared – Shall come down
Enoch – Teaching
Methuselah – His death shall bring
Lamech – Despairing
Noah – Comfort and rest

Put those name meanings into a complete sentence and you get: Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow, (but) the blessed God shall come down teaching. His death shall bring (the) despairing comfort and rest

From Genesis, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacoh has declared His promises. This is what "jewish people" don't share with the world - ALL of scripture declares the Christ.
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The bible cannot be the word of god. A real god would have no need of such a book.
He would assert his divinity and authority directly. Not through a hodge podge collection of ideas and surmises.
It is designed to prey upon weak minds.
People in general have religious need wired into their brains and the bible has been packaged and designed to cater to those people.
There is no way any rational person can take it as the literal word of 'god'.
A god who requires the hand of man to do the job for him is not a god!
If this god was real we'd know about it...daily!
He wouldn't remain invisible and silent, that is for sure. For a god so desperate to have us believe in him he sure doesn't do much about it.
He wants to save us from hellfire but leaves it to the printing press and a few nuts to tell us.
Come on!
Hello, God? No, I thought not :-)

Ps. As a man in my 20's I went through the whole born again thingy and after 2 years of it I was disgusted. The people involved were not worth knowing. The fake joy was most demoralising. The 'love' all around in the name of christ was absurd and the whole thing was embarrassing to put it mildly. It was like everyone knew it was bullshit but kept it up for appearances. Needless to say I got out. That was 20 years ago :-)
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Re: How did Christianity get started?
The jewish people never expected their Messiah to become God and never would have made him into a god to be worshipped after his death. They were monotheists. The dead man becoming a god idea was all from Rome.
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The jewish people never expected their Messiah to become God and never would have made him into a god to be worshipped after his death. They were monotheists. The dead man becoming a god idea was all from Rome.
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Silly. Uninformed. And ignorant.

The Romans hated the Christians and were trying to eliminate them. They had no reason to help create Christianity or Jesus' persona.

The words of Jesus are preserved in the record of the book of Matthew as he says "before Abraham was I Am" meaning he was claiming to be God & Creator.

The books of John & Paul also make it clear Jesus was God manifest in the flesh.

The entire Jewish sacrificial system was about Jesus the lamb who takes away the sins of the world.
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The jewish people never expected their Messiah to become God and never would have made him into a god to be worshipped after his death. They were monotheists. The dead man becoming a god idea was all from Rome.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2493446


Silly. Uninformed. And ignorant.

The Romans hated the Christians and were trying to eliminate them. They had no reason to help create Christianity or Jesus' persona.

The words of Jesus are preserved in the record of the book of Matthew as he says "before Abraham was I Am" meaning he was claiming to be God & Creator.

The books of John & Paul also make it clear Jesus was God manifest in the flesh.

The entire Jewish sacrificial system was about Jesus the lamb who takes away the sins of the world.
 Quoting: Jam 24201218


Atheism is the NWO lie.

Christianity was foretold to begin in prophetic books with the coming of Jesus, and was fulfilled. The histories of the Bible predate the Hebrew nation. Moses compiled the book of Genesis from earlier writers thought to have been witnesses back to and including Adam. (Wiseman Hypothesis)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24201218


Wasn't the expected Messiah supposed to be a great military leader who would defeat the Romans?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23435015


That is the second coming.
Then Jesus comes back and destroys the enemies.

First coming is was as the suffering servant,
second is at the Conquering King, when he takes back what is his from the enemy and saves Israel.

But before that Antichrist arrives on the scene and pretends to be the Messiah but they will know when he turns on them.
 Quoting: -GLP-Christian-

Those books you are referring to were writings and teachings of several religions that were adapted and redacted and reworded to support their new universal (catholic) religion. And then for years afterward burned the scrolls, books and libraries that contained the teachings in their original form so that now the evidence of their massive fraud is well hidden
In the secret vaults of the Vatican.
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Re: How did Christianity get started?
The jewish people never expected their Messiah to become God and never would have made him into a god to be worshipped after his death. They were monotheists. The dead man becoming a god idea was all from Rome.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2493446


Silly. Uninformed. And ignorant.

The Romans hated the Christians and were trying to eliminate them. They had no reason to help create Christianity or Jesus' persona.

The words of Jesus are preserved in the record of the book of Matthew as he says "before Abraham was I Am" meaning he was claiming to be God & Creator.

The books of John & Paul also make it clear Jesus was God manifest in the flesh.

The entire Jewish sacrificial system was about Jesus the lamb who takes away the sins of the world.
 Quoting: Jam 24201218


Those books you are referring to were writings and teachings of several religions that were adapted and redacted and reworded to support their new universal (catholic) religion. And then for years afterward burned the scrolls, books and libraries that contained the teachings in their original form so that now the evidence of their massive fraud is well hidden
In the secret vaults of the Vatican.
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The entire NT was completed before the close of the 1st century. The RC did not form until the 4th century.


Wasn't the New Testament written hundreds of years after Christ?
[link to carm.org]

KJV History


[link to www.youtube.com]


KJB Answer Book
[link to www.chick.com]
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How can the bible be the word of god, when it is composed of (among other things) letters written by a person named "Paul" who admits being a sinner?
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Are you saying you are sinless?

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

there was only one person on the planet that was sinless, and they crucified him for that, Jesus Christ.


How can the Bible be the word of God? It is proven by the numerous prophecies.

Here's some:
[link to eternal-productions.org]
and some more:
[link to eternal-productions.org]

and some more:
[link to www.learnbible.net]
and more:
[link to web.archive.org]
[link to www.cobblestoneroadministry.org]
 Quoting: -GLP-Christian-


Wait . . . you just said the bible is the word of god because it is proven by numerous prophecies in the bible. That's a circular argument
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No a circular argument uses it own statement to prove itself, as you just did.

The Bible is proved in several ways.
One way is by the People who lived it and experienced God miracles.
The World Wide Flood, The Burning Bush, The Plagues in Egypt, the Red Sea parting, The Pillar of Fire by Night and Smoke by Day, Divine Healing, etc.

Another is those who experience a relationship with God on a DAILY basis.

Another is based upon Prophecies in the Bible, having being prove to be 100% accurate.

Another is the Science of the Bible, when properly translated and understood it is 100% accurate.

Another is the History of the Bible, that which can be proved, has proven to be 100% accurate, Many have tried to say it is not accurate, only find themselves to be proven wrong years later.

No other ancient text has been so accurate. There is no text, even those written by Scientists today, that does not constantly have be re written to be accurate.
That is the Proof.
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Okay you convinced me you know jack shit. Congrats
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Re: How did Christianity get started?
And how old is it really?

If it was started by jewish people why were the gospels first written in Greek?
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It was simply started by a group but not a religion by those of those times, and most people who were educated wrote in Greek. Paul wrote his own, others did not write and had people write for them. and all of them were confused still especially paul and some of the apostles.
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I thought the apostles were jewish people who spoke Aramaic or Hebrew...
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The common language then was Greek, just as English is Today.
In most foreign countries, business people are fluent in their native tongue and English, French or Spanish.
The most common, being English.
If you want your message to reach all American and British German and French subjects in the Middle East, you don't use the various local Arabic dialects or their native language, you use English. One language they will all generally understand.
So the Apostles were writing to jewish people and Christians not only at Home, but scattered in many different countries. So a common language was the best way to communicate with them all.
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So Jesus preached his message in Greek?
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The bible cannot be the word of god. A real god would have no need of such a book.
He would assert his divinity and authority directly. Not through a hodge podge collection of ideas and surmises.
It is designed to prey upon weak minds.
People in general have religious need wired into their brains and the bible has been packaged and designed to cater to those people.
There is no way any rational person can take it as the literal word of 'god'.
A god who requires the hand of man to do the job for him is not a god!
If this god was real we'd know about it...daily!
He wouldn't remain invisible and silent, that is for sure. For a god so desperate to have us believe in him he sure doesn't do much about it.
He wants to save us from hellfire but leaves it to the printing press and a few nuts to tell us.
Come on!
Hello, God? No, I thought not :-)

Ps. As a man in my 20's I went through the whole born again thingy and after 2 years of it I was disgusted. The people involved were not worth knowing. The fake joy was most demoralising. The 'love' all around in the name of christ was absurd and the whole thing was embarrassing to put it mildly. It was like everyone knew it was bullshit but kept it up for appearances. Needless to say I got out. That was 20 years ago :-)
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Thanks for sharing your insight
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The one we call "Jesus" predates this entire creation. He was introduced to us in the garden of Eden when God tells Lucifer that the seed of the woman would bruise his head and Luci would bruise His heel. That was one reason for the horrid genetic manipulations trying to disrupt man's DNA. If you look closely where the flood of Noah is introduced, we are told that Noah was perfect in his generations. Not a perfect man, or even a good man, but chosen because his DNA wasn't screwed with.

There is much deep knowledge hidden in plain view but the bulk of the idiots that start Christianity bashing threads don't know anything of which they talk. They are just loud empty banging of a drum.

Christ is Greek "Christos" which means Messiah, Mashiach, it looks different in different languages but is the same.

Christian was a derogatory term that the Romans nicknamed the early church people referring to them as "little Christs".

Now, Messiah will return and establish His Kingdom. The secular jewish people of the day wanted a military general to overthrow Rome but how short sighted is that considering the havoc that the Egyptians, Assyrians, and Babylonians wrecked upon Israel at different times. The self centered lot wanted themselves rescued but rejected their own Savior.
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Next time he comes with power and great glory, the whole world will see.


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The jewish people never expected their Messiah to become God and never would have made him into a god to be worshipped after his death. They were monotheists. The dead man becoming a god idea was all from Rome.
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Silly. Uninformed. And ignorant.

The Romans hated the Christians and were trying to eliminate them. They had no reason to help create Christianity or Jesus' persona.

The words of Jesus are preserved in the record of the book of Matthew as he says "before Abraham was I Am" meaning he was claiming to be God & Creator.

The books of John & Paul also make it clear Jesus was God manifest in the flesh.

The entire Jewish sacrificial system was about Jesus the lamb who takes away the sins of the world.
 Quoting: Jam 24201218


If Jesus had to die to take away the sins of the world, why is the world still filled with sin?
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Re: How did Christianity get started?
Uncle Fester farted.
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The jewish people never expected their Messiah to become God and never would have made him into a god to be worshipped after his death. They were monotheists. The dead man becoming a god idea was all from Rome.
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What about Metatron? The little YHWH concept? Isn't that basically Enoch playing the role of Jesus?
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The jewish people never expected their Messiah to become God and never would have made him into a god to be worshipped after his death. They were monotheists. The dead man becoming a god idea was all from Rome.
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What about Metatron? The little YHWH concept? Isn't that basically Enoch playing the role of Jesus?
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is it possible the books of Enoch were removed from the bible to obscure the role they played in the development of the Jesus mythology?
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Re: How did Christianity get started?
So are jewish people still waiting for a Messiah to save them from hell?
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damn. It doesn't bother any of you christians that your religion is based on the expectation of a jewish messiah that the jewish people don't even have at this point?
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The jewish people never expected their Messiah to become God and never would have made him into a god to be worshipped after his death. They were monotheists. The dead man becoming a god idea was all from Rome.
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What about Metatron? The little YHWH concept? Isn't that basically Enoch playing the role of Jesus?
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I'm going to have to look this up on google. No idea
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The jewish people never expected their Messiah to become God and never would have made him into a god to be worshipped after his death. They were monotheists. The dead man becoming a god idea was all from Rome.
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What about Metatron? The little YHWH concept? Isn't that basically Enoch playing the role of Jesus?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23435015


I'm going to have to look this up on google. No idea
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When I learned about the little YHWH thing, it made it appear that for some jewish people Enoch was the messiah and he existed before jesus
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Josephus's two major tomes are History of The Jewish War and The Antiquities of the jewish people. In these complementary works, the former written in the 70s, the latter in the 90s AD, Josephus mentions every noted personage of Palestine and describes every important event which occurred there during the first seventy years of the Christian era.

At face value, Josephus appears to be the answer to the Christian apologist's dreams.

In a single paragraph (the so-called Testimonium Flavianum ) Josephus confirms every salient aspect of the Christ-myth:

1. Jesus's existence 2. his 'more than human' status 3. his miracle working 4. his teaching 5. his ministry among the jewish people and the Gentiles 6. his Messiahship 7. his condemnation by the Jewish priests 8. his sentence by Pilate 9. his death on the cross 10. the devotion of his followers 11. his resurrection on the 3rd day 12. his post-death appearance 13. his fulfillment of divine prophesy 14. the successful continuance of the Christians.

In just 127 words Josephus confirms everything ­ now that is a miracle!

BUT WAIT A MINUTE ... Not a single writer before the 4th century ­ not Justin, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Cyprian, Arnobius, etc. ­ in all their defences against pagan hostility, makes a single reference to Josephus' wondrous words
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No Christians left to preach the message?
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Maybe it's a lost cause then
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Re: How did Christianity get started?
i think its start was similar to the tea party.
A man teaching good intentions and morals started a movement. But when the rich saw its potential, they highjacked it and declared the man a god. Then came the compromises for unity and we got christmas and easter and sunday worship and which compromised the original message.
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I think it started with a guy named Jesus but not really sure
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i think its start was similar to the tea party.
A man teaching good intentions and morals started a movement. But when the rich saw its potential, they highjacked it and declared the man a god. Then came the compromises for unity and we got christmas and easter and sunday worship and which compromised the original message.
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I think that's the explanation I want to believe in most.
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i think its start was similar to the tea party.
A man teaching good intentions and morals started a movement. But when the rich saw its potential, they highjacked it and declared the man a god. Then came the compromises for unity and we got christmas and easter and sunday worship and which compromised the original message.
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At least, if it were true, then at the foundation of the religion is a guy who truly had a good message and believed it.
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Re: How did Christianity get started?
The Gospel According to John Titor the Evangelist

So the Essenes were a group of Buddists in the Middle East.
The Jewish Essenes glorified a guy named Yeshu that the J.ews hated.
Yeshu brought Egyptian mystery religion to his fellow J.ews and was hanged for it.

Then around 70, Titus conquered Jerusalem and burned the temple. There were two eclipses and this was Titus' opportunity to create a religion in which the Emperor of Rome was the savior of the J.ews and good times would come.

Many years later Constantine, who is directly related to Titus, creates the official Roman religion. He combines all the popular gods of 325. Hesus of Gaul. Krishna of India and Yeshu of the Notzri Essenes Jewish reformers. Then he made him God.

All churches of Mithras were then converted into Churches of Christ.

And that is how it went down.
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Saint Paul is a real guy. But his life was romanticized by the bible and the Romans. He was Apollonius of Tyana. Paul, Damas and Lucius all either royal Romans or doctors and teachers of these Romans -- are the writers of the New Testament. There was even a competition between the Flavians and the Pisos as to which family would be remembered in history as the Royal Bloodline of Christ.
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its a recopy of scientific metaphors from ancient Egypt..for its written,there's NOTHING new under the sun...let me quote the word again> There's Nothing New Under The Sun...hearts
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...

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