The price of refusing to kill your gang raped child

What about the whole "If a man lies with a man as with a woman, he shall be put to death" thing? The Christian bible also condemns you for adultery, cutting your hair, wearing mixed fabrics, and eating bacon. Okay, so I am not 100% sure about the bacon thing, I do know it's forbidden, but can't recall if the punishment is death. All organized religion is evil, imo.

On Sept 21, Demolition Man posted this thread:
"Canada is going to send a woman to Iran to be stoned for adultery. WTF !!" Much of what you are saying here was posted there as well.

On page 2 of that thread there is a video of a stoning. Just brutal!

It boggles the mind that any sane person would follow such a "gang".... I cannot bring myself to ever call this religion... Its not.

more anti-islam propaganda -.- go worship your allmighty TV, will ya

Funny thing is, God kills children in the bible for making fun of a guy with a bald head.

typical dumb italian. STFU.

Are you implying that their holy book wasn't written by a higher God? That's racist!

*And until we are out of all the wars in which we are currently involved...

A small percentage of them do, no more than the population at large. And they are roundly condemned and put in prison when found out, NOT sanctioned by the state and allowed to continue to do so.

Big difference.

Thank you for posting an article that proves not all Muslims are militant, ideological followers of their fathers' religion and that Muslims who desire peace do exist.

Can we wage a war on Middle Eastern tribal men instead of Islam? That at least would make more sense as an attempt to solve the problem of violence in the Middle East for which there is no justice served.

Like Bill Mahr said, Men act like idiots when women are not around to keep them in line. So many examples of this.

Oh go fuck yourself

Exactly ^^^^^^^ Very well put Bluebird!

Its reactions like "there's nothing I can do about it" that drive me just about a crazy as people calling Islamism a religion...

They openly advocate the murder, torture, beheading and maiming of all non-believers.

That is Gang mentality and should be dealt with under our anti-gang laws.
That is hate mongering and threatening and should be dealt with under our anti-hate crimes laws.

THIS IS NOT RELIGION!!!! AND SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED IN OUR COUNTRIES. POINT. PERIOD. BLANK.

There is something each and every citizen can do.
Write, email, phone and ask why we are allowing this in our countries.. voicing your opinions, ( base those opinions on facts .. give examples like the ones you're finding out about here )... and

send those calls, letters, and emails to every politician you can find.

send them to reporters that you think may have the ability to investigate and bring this shit forward and send them to newspapers as editorials

get this subject in the face of every citizen out there

the bigger the ground swell of irate citizens speaking out about this ... the better the chance of stopping it from ever being implemented in our countries.

To sit by and say there is nothing you can do about it, is to condone this evil... and that is about as criminal as the actual actions of these Islamists.

When they start to take over our legislatures, councils, and schools.. it will be too late.
AND THEY ARE ALREADY TRYING TO DO THIS PEOPLE.

We still have time to stop this in our countries. If we don't, our children and grandchildren will be the ones who will suffer for our inactions by having to live under their evil laws.

How dare you people twist the fact that a 13 year old girl was gang raped and she and her family has been tormented because they refused to kill her and turn it into a "yabbut Christians...oh, and the Bible..." bunch of crap.

WHERE on earth is Biblical law applied? WHERE on earth is Biblical law the law of the land?

Answer: nowhere.

Your deflected argument is mute - and pointless.

The FACT is that girls and women are brutally murdered every day for no other reason than it appeases the MEN in their families.

The FACT is that girls and women that live in the culture of HONOR are subject to the moods and whims of the MEN they happen to share DNA with.

THAT should be an outrage.

The jewish Talmud says you can start raping girls after age three and it's perfectly acceptable. In South Central LA girls get gang raped every single day. Where is the outrage towards them? Hmm??

Yet we have mulsims going around saying we should respect their religion. Hah!

Islam should be banned in all sane countries.

These people's mindset are in the past.

Read the post above yours Awfekkit... We are outraged!

and it's time all citezens took a stand against this shit!

[link to www.pbs.org]

Considered a form of domestic and gender-based violence, honor killings often involve women murdered by family members to avenge shame brought by infidelity or other culturally unacceptable behaviors.

"It's a very unique kind of violence, because usually domestic violence is caused by husbands or partners, but this is often conducted by brothers or fathers," said Dr. Muazzam Nasrullah, who ran the study while at the Aga Khan University in Pakistan.

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Now working as an Epidemic Intelligence Service officer with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Nasrullah said the report is the first statistical study that attempts to quantify the problem since data about the practice are so difficult to collect. Nasrullah used local and national newspaper reports systematically compiled by the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan as the basis for his study.

Other sources of data, such as death certificates, often do not include specific enough information on the circumstances of the death, Nasrullah said.

A total of 1,957 incidents of honor killings were recorded over four years, the study reported. The majority occurred in response to alleged extramarital relations.

But Nasrullah said he is confident the results were lower than the actual number because not every event makes it into the media.

"The problem is much more than what is depicted in my paper," said Nasrullah.

Honor killings are not unique to Pakistan, and the World Health Organization estimates about 5,000 women are murdered by family members in the name of honor each year worldwide.

Dr. Claudia Garcia-Moreno, an adviser on gender violence at the World Health Organization, said honor killings are an extreme form of violence against women "which we see primarily in the Middle East and in parts of Asia, but in many ways they are not very different than some of the murders that are being documented in other places."

Women's sexuality and the cultural norms surrounding it are part of patterns of violence throughout the world, she said.

"From the public health perspective, we have been looking at: how do you stop some of these different forms of violence from happening in the first place?" said Garcia-Moreno.

But addressing these issues requires action on multiple levels, including having strong, enforced laws, as well as social messages that make it clear these types of violence are not acceptable - a difficult task when a practice is ingrained in a society.

Having reliable data about honor killings is an important starting point, said Garcia-Moreno, because many types of domestic violence are kept hidden by both perpetrators and victims.

"There is a saying that in order to make something count you have to count it," Garcia-Moreno said.

"Until relatively recently, some of these issues have been invisible. Issues of domestic violence were considered private, so in some ways part of the culture change is to start to name and to count what is happening."

One of the biggest challenges in trying to halt honor killings is their long tradition of being seen as a way of upholding the moral values of society, said T. Kumar, advocacy director for the Asia and Pacific region at Amnesty International.

Any lasting shift in how honor killings are viewed would have to come from the community itself, said Kumar. The pressure to maintain the practice is so great that in some instances, family members may feel they have no other options, despite not wanting to harm their child or sister, he said.

"Their respect in the community was tarnished by that family member so they want to regain that," said Kumar. "If you don't do it then you have been laughed upon."

While honor killings are illegal and considered murder in Pakistan, there are loopholes that often prevent full punishment for the crime. The family of the victim can decide to pardon someone convicted of a crime, Kumar said. In the case of honor killings, the accused is usually part of that family.

Progress on this issue will be slow, Kumar said. "It boils down to what's the definition of honor and changing that."

Nasrullah said the most important conclusion of his study is that more research needs to be done on honor killings to reveal more about the causes and scope of the problem. His hope, expressed in the published study is that "clear knowledge about the extent and the brutal consequences of [honor killings] may serve to alter traditional practices."

typical blood thirsty american...eat shit and die

You are missing the whole point. Jesus did not come to start a church or build a religion. He came to die for our sins by paying it with his blood so that we would have a choice to accept this gift and repent of our sins and live a pure life and to live your life as a living sacrifice for him. We are told to be his disciples and to spread the message of love and to tell everyone about this great news. If you believe in the Bible then you must believe in Lucifer/Satan and being an old intelligent being would it not make sense to disguise yourself in religion and hiding yourself in the Church to lead followers and people astray as well as kill and steal? Come on, Jesus came here taught us how to live and told us how to be saved, take it as that and don't put a title on yourself and live your life in love and peace with everyone.

The disciples asked Jesus what the most important commandment was and he told them to love your neighbor as yourself, imagine if everyone practiced this how peaceful life would be

Ban all religion. Problems solved.

I appreciate the outrage. Really, I do. But how do "all citizens" take a stand against it? Just how does one fix it? Obviously criminalizing it doesn't work. Even when and where it is criminalized, the family will throw a brother (or nephew or cousin) who they believe isn't going to amount to much anyway under the bus and either have him do the deed or blame it on him. What, exactly, does one do?

go lose another war you pasta eater.

Well AWFEKKIT I don't know if there is anything you can do in Egypt but here in North America and much of Europe we can still do something.

There is something each and every citizen can do.

Write, email, phone and ask why we are allowing this in our countries.. voicing your opinions, ( base those opinions on facts .. give examples like the ones you're finding out about here )...

and send those calls, letters, and emails to every politician you can find..

send them to reporters that you think may have the ability to investigate and bring this shit forward and

send them to newspapers as editorials ...

get this subject in the face of every citizen out there...

the bigger the ground swell of irate citizens speaking out about this ... the better the chance of stopping it from ever being implemented in our countries.

To sit by and say there is nothing we can do about it is to condone this evil... and that is about as criminal as the actual actions of these Islamists.

When they start to take over our legislatures, councils, and schools.. it will be too late.

AND THEY ARE ALREADY TRYING TO DO THIS PEOPLE.

We still have time to stop this in our countries.

If we don't, our children and grandchildren will be the ones who will suffer for our inactions by having to live under their evil laws.

This video is very factual, and very dry for the most part, but it is well worth watching..it's an education of what Islamism is truely about.. for you own sake as well as for the sake of your kids and grandkids, take the time to watch this video.

[link to www.youtube.com]

It is the equivalent of saying want the whole bank wiped out...enter the bank break laws and moral integrity take it hostage to your aggressive hostile behavior..

Then demand the Swatt team to wipe all in the bank out problem solved.

One less bank lets start on some more now.

Who cares about the innocent take them all out male female employee pregnant who cares.

All we need is one to be the mad man dit by dot a man here a man there.....all are taken out.

Of the tarted bulls eye being attacked by some mad men.

Yet the masses of mad men survive and carry on their OCD agendas.

There are no words to describe such a backwards culture. It has not changed even a little since its origins. We cannot let this spread into our civilized culture any longer. This Islam needs to be exterminated. It was founded by a leader whom was so morally corrupt and evil as if Satan himself. There have been a few cases here in Canada where these types come to our country and in the name of Honor kill their family members on our soil. We need to round them all back up and send them back where they came from. The older genertion that refuse to change. Their children once they get her would love to blend in and enjoy the gift of being in a free and safe country but their old world parents and grandparents and families won't allow them to do so . Why be here then if not for change. I hope all the fema camps are for them. We cannot let this infect our countries civilized ones any longer. Goodbye to them.