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In Agony With Degenerative Disc Disease - What The Hell Do I Do??

 
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One great alternative to the heavy duty muscle relaxants.
Taurine (1+grams) and a Magnesium supplement together, ideally some vitamin C to help get the Magnesium absorbed. Taurine is only very slightly sedating unlike the usual muscle relaxants.

Does massage help you?
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Do u live anywhere near Ohio, OP?
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Do u live anywhere near Ohio, OP?
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pretty damn close, only about 4000 miles away.
Were you going to drop in and see how he was doing?
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Do u live anywhere near Ohio, OP?
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pretty damn close, only about 4000 miles away.
Were you going to drop in and see how he was doing?
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one of the best orthopedic doctors out there lives in Ohio, dork. His building is full of signed footballs and jerseys. highschool, college and NFL. He's put many retired Cleveland Browns back on their feet.
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I have degenerative disc disease from my neck to my lower back, add in advanced osteoarthritis bone spurs and narrowing of the spinal canal in a couple of spots. Had surgery on L3-L4 and L4-L5 and L5-S1 to remove the bone spurs and take out some disc. Only helped for about a year then the pain started creeping back. Tried the spinal stretching to open the disc spaces, doesn't work on me because of the bone spurs locking things up and it just caused pain.

Weight loss has helped me a little, I take 4 percocet 10-325 a day for pain. Seeing the pain doc and talking about a spinal stimulator that blocks the nerve pulses that are causing the pain.


Back pain sucks and all you can do is figure out the triggers and try to avoid them.
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A Duragesic fentanyl patch, although not tolerated by everybody, can be transformative while you heal & seek alternatives. water therapy, yoga, acupuncture, a tens unit, physical therapy, supplements like turmeric, glucosamine and condroitin all have helped people tolerate constant pain. you have to experiment to find what helps you, don't give up and accept the pain.
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Do u live anywhere near Ohio, OP?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23011194


pretty damn close, only about 4000 miles away.
Were you going to drop in and see how he was doing?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24251745


one of the best orthopedic doctors out there lives in Ohio, dork. His building is full of signed footballs and jerseys. highschool, college and NFL. He's put many retired Cleveland Browns back on their feet.
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you call me a dork LOL and you're the one that asked if OP lived near Ohio. He's in England, wake the fuck up lol
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LISTEN AND PAY HEED. If you really want to do somthing to help yourselfs then forget about surgery. For the time being ask your doctor to put you on MORAPHINE and only MORAPHINE. Does the least damage and thats what they take themselves. Then go buy an INVERSION TABLE. Start slow. Use everyday. Morning when you get up and evening before bed. You are just suffering from gravity. We pound our bodys down all our lives. Hanging on a board stretches things back out and allows things to go back into place. Little by little. I had and did the exact same thing. I don't take the moraphine anymore. I am like a 40 year old again. NO SURGERY. Better than ever.
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Please do not forget yoga and water. Back pain is greatly improved bu inversion, but for this person the inversion machine may be too much. Yoga has semi inverted. Also pool work improves the opportunity to use the back with out the killing pain of gravity.
In any case dear person may God bless you and keep you, prayer said and I hope you get help from the dang bumbling med system.
peace.
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09/24/2012 04:22 AM

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OP so sorry you suffer such pain. I haven't had back pain from degenerative disks but I have had severe pain from degenerative knees. On top of that, I tripped over injured one even more. I was told by the doctors that it would have to be something I lived with.

I couldn't stand it after a while, got pretty depressed, then did some research and started taking green lipped mussel powder (you have to take the good stuff - I get mine from xtendalife). After four months of taking these pills daily all my pain is gone. The injury and the degenerative stuff - all gone. It rebuilds the elastic stuff between your joints. I highly recommend you give it a go and hang in there - my life is back to normal now. You start to feel the joints healing pretty early on as the pain starts to decrease but you need to be patient to get the full benefit. It has high anti inflammatory properties too.

It seems they have since done some clinical trials through the Queensland Medical School with very positive findings

[link to www.nzherald.co.nz]

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Prolotherapy.

I just started researching it today.

Interesting concept.

Feel well, think positive, pain sucks. I know.
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get some cyanide tablets off the internet and fucking pop em ... job done , im currently trying to source some for the when the shit hits the fan ... no fucking muslims or what ever is fucking with my family .. its pop and drop

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I feel for ya. I have had two spinal surgeries and was off work a couple of years. Lost everything I had including my wife.

The ONLY thing that will help is a spinal fusion to keep the spine locked in place. They will probably do exactly what they did to me. They will go in and scrape the bulging disc away from the nerves that run along your spine, these are what is causing the leg pain. That will help for a little while until the fusion.

You will hopefully get some opiates to ease the pain until you have the first surgery. If you don't get off the pills as soon as possible you will end up taking them the rest of your life. After a while they won't work at all but you will need them to keep from getting really sick.

If you need anything just ask. Been there myself
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This is EXACTLY what happened to a friend of mine.....finally after a couple of surgeries that only worked for 12 months she had a spinal fusion.This appears to have helped significantly but she still has to be careful...and yes she had terrible withdrawals from the pain meds!!!!!!!!!I am pretty sure you need to see a spine surgeon OP.I pray that you can get help.In this day and age you need a friend or relative that can advocate for you...
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I am the Op....

Im so pissed right now...Been up all night in agony, so rang out of hours doc who said i have muscle spasms or a trapped nerve.. he asked if my partner could go to their place at the local hospital to pick up morphine tablets, i said no as we have no car or money to get taxi..he said you will have to wait till 8am for your gp to give you morphibe then...

At 8am, my partner went to docs to ask they come out see me and give me tablets, know what they said, we get a doctor to ring at 3pm, WTF, im in agony and they dont send doc out at night and i have to wait till 3pm for my own doc to ring me...it never use to be like this, i use to be able to ring at night and docs use to come out, not now....anyway, my partner has gone back to complain to surgery that 3pm is ridiculous...my partner just walked in and said they are ringing for a telephone consultation at 12 now...

Im fuming with the lack of care they are showing...i would ring an ambulane, however, they wont entertain me much due to me knowing what the problem is...I feel stuck in a bloody rut, in agony...I have never experienced pain like this in my life..the bottom of my spine is burning with pain...

Dont ever come to live in the UK, they dont give a fuck about you anymote....
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I'm sorry your back hurts so much. I went through it for 10 years.

Finally cleaned up my diet and took lots of natural supplements. It healed up in a year and now I can do anything I want with no pain.

Some of the recent research is showing there is an infection in the spine causing degeneration of the disks.
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Pain killers and muscle relaxants are needed, heavy dute stuff. The muscle spasms makes things worse, and you can't stop it otherwise.

Then lots of rest. Perhaps try the inversion machine, or a good chiropractor.

The pain should eventually diminish to the point where you can live relatively normal again.

Then live the rest of your life with much caution. NEVER twist your back under load! ALWAYS move carefully! Exercise to build back and gut muscle, but use extreme caution during exercise too, so you don't make things worse.

Another important thing, is to buy a good expensive office chair to your computer. Every piece of furniture you sit in should be ergonomic.

Your back is fucked for life, but the pain can go away, and you can lead a normal life, within limits, as long as you learn to stay within the boundaries of movement your back has.

I don't recommend the spinal fusion surgery as anything other than an absolute last resort. I've worked in a hospital, and let's just say the results aren't always good. Some patients get better, but some also get a lot worse.
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I have found a testimonial from a man who had severe back and knee degeneration and how he found a new life. There is an option to contact him and ask him about it.

It boils down to green lipped mussel powder again...so it does work for severe back degeneration.

[link to greenlippedmusselguide.com]
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LISTEN AND PAY HEED. If you really want to do somthing to help yourselfs then forget about surgery. For the time being ask your doctor to put you on MORAPHINE and only MORAPHINE. Does the least damage and thats what they take themselves. Then go buy an INVERSION TABLE. Start slow. Use everyday. Morning when you get up and evening before bed. You are just suffering from gravity. We pound our bodys down all our lives. Hanging on a board stretches things back out and allows things to go back into place. Little by little. I had and did the exact same thing. I don't take the moraphine anymore. I am like a 40 year old again. NO SURGERY. Better than ever.
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Thank you for your advice...

With regards to Morphine, they are VERY reluctant to give it out in the UK due to people getting hooked on it or something....

I have been taking Zapain, which is Codeine Phospate 30mg & paracetamol 500mg mixed together...These usually take the edge of the pain away, however, since last Monday, I have had these muscle spasms and/or Nerve trapping real bad and the Zapains haven't done anything...That's why I had to ring docs and get the Tramadol on Friday. They are suppose to be stronger than Zapain but I haven't seen no pain relief from these either....

Might get one of them inversion tables...Willing to try anything to be honest...Thinking about it, is this similar to what they do in hospital when they put you on Traction or something..Sounds the same sort of stuff but the do it a different way...
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They will always say that ops are addictive. Just tell your doctor so is sex and coffee and cigarettes. Just keep going in and even exagerated the pain really act and keep bothering them and he will give in to you. Those other pills are the shits. They are beta blockers and shut down your brain. OPS are natural. The inversion tables are great. They really do work. They realease so much pressure it isn't even funny. I also joined a rec center and would do streches in the pool. Your totally weightless and it feels good. I will always have and use my table. I can dump myself all the way over now. It really helps with circulation also which in turn aids your back and the nerves. Every day when you get up tell your back that your helping it and its going to get better. It Will. Just start slow. 30% then work your self up. I'm really pulling for you. I know what kind of pain your in. God Bless.
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phuck tha dumb shit.....want pain relief?
get gabapentin or neurontin and take with tramadol 3-4 times a day

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

and use omega 3 or shite loads of walnuts for arthritic flare ups

percocets for really bad pain

morphine and lortabs are not the proper types of medicine for this type of pain

trust me.....
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Pain killers and muscle relaxants are needed, heavy dute stuff. The muscle spasms makes things worse, and you can't stop it otherwise.


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potassium gluconate takes care of that.....
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The disc is inflamed?

Ok,

Why is it inflamed?

Why does it not heal ( if through standard cell replacement you get new skin every 3 years, and a completely new body every 7-10 years )?

A: it is in an acid bath, so even the new cells in the disc area cannot thrive and rebuild the disc?

Ok,

So when you have an injured area and you have constant introduction of both foreign proteins and pathogen load that are making their way into the bloodstream via the nutrient absorption point in the gut, where do they settle but at an injury site?

If the injury site is under siege, what does the body do to keep these things from setting up shop and further infecting?

It goes further acid at the wound site?

What happens when a wounded disc goes further acid?

It swells and further compresses against the nerve causing nerve pinch and further pain?

Ok,

How do you eliminate and neutralize the un-neutralized animal proteins and pathogen load condition and resulting acid bath conditions allowing the body to heal itself?

1). Stop the infection, the low level good poisoning load and new un-neutralized foreign protein load?

How do you do that?

Eat only Alkaline forming food.

Add in super Alkalizing substances to actively shift the system PH Alkaline.

GSE ( Grapefruitseed Extract ) will shift the PH and neutralize the pathogen load and the foreign protein load. 50-100 drops daily. Cayenne capsules 3-5 daily. Lemons are one of the most Alkaline forming foods.

If your body had sufficient Iodine as the active firewall in the gut and tissues of the stomach lining so that the stomach was able to create enough hydrochloric acid to digest what you ingest and as further active ingredient to the immune system in all tissues at the cellular level, and in the thyroid where the entire blood supply passes every 22 minutes, and at the wound site these conditions would not compound. The new RDA for Iodine is 50 mg. ( we are all 100 x deficient ).

Q: What I would do ( and do ..? )

Google: Alkaline Forming food charts, memorize and/or apply

Buy Nutribiotic Brand GSE and load up to take the system back

Start the Iodine along with the GSE after you have sufficiently taken back the GI tract health with GSE loading, and decent food that is not GMO that the body is not designed for ( read bar codes and skip the ones beginning w/ an 8 ). Eat Alkaline forming food and eat more simply in food combinations that don't conflict ( with required digestive juices that neutralize the other ) and digests properly. Skip gas producing foods and unripely picked foods that sit like rocks and create ferment bubbles and colic conditions in the GI tract ( which balloons the GI tract so that the striated muscles cannot close around digesting food & push things along the wagon train of the digestion - but when trying, only compresses and squeezing the balloon pressing toxic colic conditions right through enlarged pores right into bloodstream missing the built in firewall of the Iodine, and the temporary firewall of the GSE ). Never allow any sort of colic-gas conditions to go un-neutralized even for an hour or you will get headaches as you allow sabotaging of the purity of the bloodstream with colic conditions through the colon walls right into the bloodstream. Colic is the root cause of headaches and if you regularly sabotage your system, you have to keep a Simethicone containing product or an enzyme product to stop and neutralize the fermentation bubble factory/ the creation of colic conditions.

When you restore the wounded back disc environment to purity and Alkaline PH and properly digested organic building block nutrient conditions that have all pathogens in the blood and fleshy tissues the infection/ fever/ inflammation conditions will be displaced and the body will through both standard healing, and standard cell replacement, heal itself as the self- healing miracle bio-machine that it is.

Q: See more on Superhealth? Google: Future Knowledge Update and dig deep there for further answers or deep on my FB: Matt Erwin ( as many w/ that name is account currently profile pic w/ green Drumset )

This is all good. I have had $0.00 medical expenses including visits/ coverage/ ins. plans since starting GSE and then Iodine 1998 : )

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