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why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?

 
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Why is it that they do not need a messiah to save them from hell?
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They do believe in a Messiah, They call him Moshiach

A PLEA FOR MOSHIACH

BY APOLLO


Studies of the Hebrew Prophecies..


Moshiach is Hebrew for Messiah. Moshiach means the “the anointed one" in Hebrew. And it is a core belief in Judaism, but seldom learned by Christians of the West. Those that have faith in Moshiach feel it as strongly as Christians have faith in Jesus. The jewish people do not believe Jesus was the Messiah, rather they see the future Savior of Mankind as a great teacher, King and Soldier of Righteousness, "Tzedek" that influences our lives directly, making abudance touch wherever he touches and blessings to shower our material world and build his temple "Beit HaMikdash" We do not have to wait to out death to ever have hope of seeing Moshiach, Moshiach will not appear to us after we pass this earthly time, He is to come while humanity is alive and calling out !

"Tikkun Olam" is the healing of the world in the world to come, "Olam Habah"

You do not have to be a Jew to let Moshiach bless your life, cause he will free mankind into a state of bliss knowing their creator G-d who cannot have a name, He is the infallible one, the one whose name. (HaShem) is beyond our limited understand, but we may draw close to him none the less. He does not cast souls into hell. forbid the study of stars, nor say this earth is beyond redemption, G-d wants us to be happy now ! And enjoy the fruitages of earth now !

Here is the Belief number 12 of the Mainmonides Thirteen Principles of Faith That speaks of Moshiach

Principle XII. The era of the Messiah

And this is to believe that in truth that he will come and that you should be waiting for him even though he delays in coming. And you should not calculate times for him to come, or to look in the verses of Tanach to see when he should come. The sages say: The wisdom of those who calculate times [of his coming] is small and that you should believe that he will be greater and more honored than all of the kings of Israel since the beginning of time as it is prophesied by all the prophets from Moses our teacher, peace be upon him, until Malachi, peace be upon him. And he who doubts or diminishes the greatness of the Messiah is a denier in all the Torah for it testifies to the Messiah explicitly in the portion of Bilam and the portion of “You are gathered (towards the end of Deut)”. And part of this principle that there is no king of Israel except from the house of David and from the seed of Solomon alone. And anyone who disputes this regarding this family is a denier of the name of God and in all the words of the prophets.

Heaven is here on earth, The Tanach describes the temple.in II Chronicles.

3:3- "The length by cubits after the ancient measure was threescore cubits, and the breadth twenty cubits".
3:4- "And the porch that was before the house, the length of it, according to the breadth of the house, was twenty cubits, and the height a hundred and twenty; and he overlaid it within with pure gold."

And likewise , we shall have beautiful sound homes and dwelling places and food and peace when the Moshiach touches our lives and blesses us with the bounty. God did not want us to lack in anything .

QOUTE:

In every generation there is a scion of the House of David who has the potential to be the Moshiach



-Apollo
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They are waiting for their Messiah or Mosiach as they call him. They didn't accept Jesus remember? They say he's still to come.

The surprise for them is that he will be the reincarnation of Jesus but this time they will accept him.

John 8:44-45
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44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
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So in the meantime, they are just all going to hell then? From Abraham to the present time, all going to hell? Really?
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NO - the burning lake of fire (you call hell) has not been created yet.
Remember - Jesus, after He rose, went to the ones that had passed on and taught them the Gospel. They then had a chance to accept him. I would bet most of them did.
And they will be rewarded for their works on Judgement day - same as everyone else.
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Sweet. So the pressure is off. We can accept Jesus after death. No problem. Why doesn't everyone do it that way? Seems so much easier than trying to be pious and wasting all that money and time on church.
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OH SHIT REALLY OMFG ? Might have something to do with it not existing you fucking inbred.
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Why is it that they do not need a messiah to save them from hell?
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They do believe in a Messiah, They call him Moshiach

A PLEA FOR MOSHIACH

BY APOLLO


Studies of the Hebrew Prophecies..


Moshiach is Hebrew for Messiah. Moshiach means the “the anointed one" in Hebrew. And it is a core belief in Judaism, but seldom learned by Christians of the West. Those that have faith in Moshiach feel it as strongly as Christians have faith in Jesus. The jewish people do not believe Jesus was the Messiah, rather they see the future Savior of Mankind as a great teacher, King and Soldier of Righteousness, "Tzedek" that influences our lives directly, making abudance touch wherever he touches and blessings to shower our material world and build his temple "Beit HaMikdash" We do not have to wait to out death to ever have hope of seeing Moshiach, Moshiach will not appear to us after we pass this earthly time, He is to come while humanity is alive and calling out !

"Tikkun Olam" is the healing of the world in the world to come, "Olam Habah"

You do not have to be a Jew to let Moshiach bless your life, cause he will free mankind into a state of bliss knowing their creator G-d who cannot have a name, He is the infallible one, the one whose name. (HaShem) is beyond our limited understand, but we may draw close to him none the less. He does not cast souls into hell. forbid the study of stars, nor say this earth is beyond redemption, G-d wants us to be happy now ! And enjoy the fruitages of earth now !

Here is the Belief number 12 of the Mainmonides Thirteen Principles of Faith That speaks of Moshiach

Principle XII. The era of the Messiah

And this is to believe that in truth that he will come and that you should be waiting for him even though he delays in coming. And you should not calculate times for him to come, or to look in the verses of Tanach to see when he should come. The sages say: The wisdom of those who calculate times [of his coming] is small and that you should believe that he will be greater and more honored than all of the kings of Israel since the beginning of time as it is prophesied by all the prophets from Moses our teacher, peace be upon him, until Malachi, peace be upon him. And he who doubts or diminishes the greatness of the Messiah is a denier in all the Torah for it testifies to the Messiah explicitly in the portion of Bilam and the portion of “You are gathered (towards the end of Deut)”. And part of this principle that there is no king of Israel except from the house of David and from the seed of Solomon alone. And anyone who disputes this regarding this family is a denier of the name of God and in all the words of the prophets.

Heaven is here on earth, The Tanach describes the temple.in II Chronicles.

3:3- "The length by cubits after the ancient measure was threescore cubits, and the breadth twenty cubits".
3:4- "And the porch that was before the house, the length of it, according to the breadth of the house, was twenty cubits, and the height a hundred and twenty; and he overlaid it within with pure gold."

And likewise , we shall have beautiful sound homes and dwelling places and food and peace when the Moshiach touches our lives and blesses us with the bounty. God did not want us to lack in anything .

QOUTE:

In every generation there is a scion of the House of David who has the potential to be the Moshiach



-Apollo
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They believe they are going to hell then?
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Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
OH SHIT REALLY OMFG ? Might have something to do with it not existing you fucking inbred.
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Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
they dont have hell, only Gehenna
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What's the difference? Which one does Jesus save people from?
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Hell is a Catholic invention - Gehenna is simply the grave and either people are in the Resurrection - by God - through Jesus or they are not. There is no torture - it is simply death without hope of resurrection.
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Hell is Greek. It was tagged on to Christianity to prove their God was better than another.
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Thank you.
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Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
They would rather choose the Hell over Jesus being the Messiah of them.
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There has never been an expectation or a prophecy of a Jewish messiah to save people from hell. That's why they aren't the least bit concerned with going to hell or finding a savior.
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There has never been an expectation or a prophecy of a Jewish messiah to save people from hell. That's why they aren't the least bit concerned with going to hell or finding a savior.
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Yes, Hell is a Christian fundie invention, so is the bogeyman satan and minions

To the Jewish people, Satan was just another one of Gods angels doing his duty..

Jewish people believe in practicality, and logic.

The Christian religion is from Roman, Persian and Babylonian Mythology
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I don't know about 2nd chances, but everyone will be given the 1 opportunity to accept or reject. The jewish people have not had the 1st since their eyes and ears were intentionally shut to the truth from A.D. forward.

Remember they are still following the law, however, at Christ's death, it is He that caused the sacrifices to end. The Jewish people keep the law as their redemptive process not blood sacrifices now and it is probably why they are not concerned with the question as you've posed it. Once the age for gentiles is closed, the plan for salvation will be preached to Israel and it will be on that issue that they will be judged because their eyes and ears will be opened to the truth.
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Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
we are more concerned with the here and now.

This life, this world are the time and place to find holiness in the performance of religious commandments.

Most Christians that I have met, read the Bible like it is some kind of instructional guide on how to suckhole their way into heaven.
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There has never been an expectation or a prophecy of a Jewish messiah to save people from hell. That's why they aren't the least bit concerned with going to hell or finding a savior.
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Yes, Hell is a Christian fundie
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Bullshit. Hell is in the bible and Jesus talks bout it.
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Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
we are more concerned with the here and now.
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That is why fundamentally Judaism and Christianity are not the same. Judaism is all about this world.
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Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
There has never been an expectation or a prophecy of a Jewish messiah to save people from hell. That's why they aren't the least bit concerned with going to hell or finding a savior.
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Yes, Hell is a Christian fundie
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Bullshit. Hell is in the bible and Jesus talks bout it.
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Bullshit?

the cuss words proves your demonic psycho pathic beliefs which are lies..
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Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
we are more concerned with the here and now.

This life, this world are the time and place to find holiness in the performance of religious commandments.

Most Christians that I have met, read the Bible like it is some kind of instructional guide on how to suckhole their way into heaven.
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They look for a scapegoat rather than take personal responsibility.
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There has never been an expectation or a prophecy of a Jewish messiah to save people from hell. That's why they aren't the least bit concerned with going to hell or finding a savior.
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Yes, Hell is a Christian fundie
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Bullshit. Hell is in the bible and Jesus talks bout it.
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Bullshit?

the cuss words proves your demonic psycho pathic beliefs which are lies..
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


You deny 2000 years of christian teaching. You are jewish anyway, so why should anyone believe what you say about christianity?
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Why is it that they do not need a messiah to save them from hell?
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Because they have no souls and no morality. They control porn, but they claim they dont control pork because they are Gods people (barf).

They do control all the other food in the grocery stores (we all know this). Its so sick!
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They control all the food in our grocery stores (not even 2% of the population) and we are antisemites if we dont want their satanic food.
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Why is it that they do not need a messiah to save them from hell?
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Because they have no souls and no morality. They control porn, but they claim they dont control pork because they are Gods people (barf).

They do control all the other food in the grocery stores (we all know this). Its so sick!
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google "kosher food scam"
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Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
I don't know about 2nd chances, but everyone will be given the 1 opportunity to accept or reject. The jewish people have not had the 1st since their eyes and ears were intentionally shut to the truth from A.D. forward.

Remember they are still following the law, however, at Christ's death, it is He that caused the sacrifices to end. The Jewish people keep the law as their redemptive process not blood sacrifices now and it is probably why they are not concerned with the question as you've posed it. Once the age for gentiles is closed, the plan for salvation will be preached to Israel and it will be on that issue that they will be judged because their eyes and ears will be opened to the truth.
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You say that categorically the Jewish people had their eyes and ears shut, but isn't that inconsistent with the fact that first disciples/apostles were all Jewish? And then in the book of Acts, isn't it to the Jewish people that the first calls to be baptized are made and accepted?

It seems like the Jewish people definitely had first shot at accepting this salvation from hell, but for some reason they just don't find it compelling.
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I don't know about 2nd chances, but everyone will be given the 1 opportunity to accept or reject. The jewish people have not had the 1st since their eyes and ears were intentionally shut to the truth from A.D. forward.

Remember they are still following the law, however, at Christ's death, it is He that caused the sacrifices to end. The Jewish people keep the law as their redemptive process not blood sacrifices now and it is probably why they are not concerned with the question as you've posed it. Once the age for gentiles is closed, the plan for salvation will be preached to Israel and it will be on that issue that they will be judged because their eyes and ears will be opened to the truth.
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You say that categorically the Jewish people had their eyes and ears shut, but isn't that inconsistent with the fact that first disciples/apostles were all Jewish? And then in the book of Acts, isn't it to the Jewish people that the first calls to be baptized are made and accepted?

It seems like the Jewish people definitely had first shot at accepting this salvation from hell, but for some reason they just don't find it compelling.
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Because Jew_s believe they are the chosen people. What could Christ offer them?
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Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
we are more concerned with the here and now.

This life, this world are the time and place to find holiness in the performance of religious commandments.

Most Christians that I have met, read the Bible like it is some kind of instructional guide on how to suckhole their way into heaven.
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Okay . . . does that mean Jewish people are indifferent about the existence of hell? Why were they eagerly awaiting a messiah to save them from it? Or is that just a fabrication?
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Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
we are more concerned with the here and now.

This life, this world are the time and place to find holiness in the performance of religious commandments.

Most Christians that I have met, read the Bible like it is some kind of instructional guide on how to suckhole their way into heaven.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21903530


Okay . . . does that mean Jewish people are indifferent about the existence of hell? Why were they eagerly awaiting a messiah to save them from it? Or is that just a fabrication?
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They are awaiting a Messiah that will make life better here and now !!!!! not after were dead, not some thousands of years into the future, but right here, right now.

It is called Tikkun Olam. The healing of the world.
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I don't know about 2nd chances, but everyone will be given the 1 opportunity to accept or reject. The jewish people have not had the 1st since their eyes and ears were intentionally shut to the truth from A.D. forward.

Remember they are still following the law, however, at Christ's death, it is He that caused the sacrifices to end. The Jewish people keep the law as their redemptive process not blood sacrifices now and it is probably why they are not concerned with the question as you've posed it. Once the age for gentiles is closed, the plan for salvation will be preached to Israel and it will be on that issue that they will be judged because their eyes and ears will be opened to the truth.
 Quoting: impetigo 7446418


You say that categorically the Jewish people had their eyes and ears shut, but isn't that inconsistent with the fact that first disciples/apostles were all Jewish? And then in the book of Acts, isn't it to the Jewish people that the first calls to be baptized are made and accepted?

It seems like the Jewish people definitely had first shot at accepting this salvation from hell, but for some reason they just don't find it compelling.
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Because Jew_s believe they are the chosen people. What could Christ offer them?
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So they are exempt from hell by virtue of being chosen? Why would they need a messiah then? If the expectation of the Jewish messiah did not come from the Jewish people, what was it's origin? Rome?
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Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
we are more concerned with the here and now.

This life, this world are the time and place to find holiness in the performance of religious commandments.

Most Christians that I have met, read the Bible like it is some kind of instructional guide on how to suckhole their way into heaven.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21903530


Okay . . . does that mean Jewish people are indifferent about the existence of hell? Why were they eagerly awaiting a messiah to save them from it? Or is that just a fabrication?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5514763


They are awaiting a Messiah that will make life better here and now !!!!! not after were dead, not some thousands of years into the future, but right here, right now.

It is called Tikkun Olam. The healing of the world.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


That seems to make more sense. So the part about saving their souls from hell (and ours for that matter) was just added to this expectation to spread the new religion?
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All this tends to show that Jesus actually didn't need to die for anyone's sins; rather he deied because of other people's sins in murdering him.
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That sucks
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I don't know about 2nd chances, but everyone will be given the 1 opportunity to accept or reject. The jewish people have not had the 1st since their eyes and ears were intentionally shut to the truth from A.D. forward.

Remember they are still following the law, however, at Christ's death, it is He that caused the sacrifices to end. The Jewish people keep the law as their redemptive process not blood sacrifices now and it is probably why they are not concerned with the question as you've posed it. Once the age for gentiles is closed, the plan for salvation will be preached to Israel and it will be on that issue that they will be judged because their eyes and ears will be opened to the truth.
 Quoting: impetigo 7446418


You say that categorically the Jewish people had their eyes and ears shut, but isn't that inconsistent with the fact that first disciples/apostles were all Jewish? And then in the book of Acts, isn't it to the Jewish people that the first calls to be baptized are made and accepted?

It seems like the Jewish people definitely had first shot at accepting this salvation from hell, but for some reason they just don't find it compelling.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5514763


Because Jew_s believe they are the chosen people. What could Christ offer them?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24332475


So they are exempt from hell by virtue of being chosen? Why would they need a messiah then? If the expectation of the Jewish messiah did not come from the Jewish people, what was it's origin? Rome?
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You could also ask: Why do Satanists not care about hell? Because this world is all they care about.
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Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
Because there is no hell!! You cannot believe every thing in the Bible. It was written by man and carefully put together by pagan polliticions to stay in control.Jesus himself said no man shall live or die by my words! The bible is one book in a huge library. Learn and understand the history of the bible. Form a one on one relationship with God and lead a God-first life and the real truth shall make you free!!
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Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
we are more concerned with the here and now.

This life, this world are the time and place to find holiness in the performance of religious commandments.

Most Christians that I have met, read the Bible like it is some kind of instructional guide on how to suckhole their way into heaven.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21903530


Okay . . . does that mean Jewish people are indifferent about the existence of hell? Why were they eagerly awaiting a messiah to save them from it? Or is that just a fabrication?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5514763


They are awaiting a Messiah that will make life better here and now !!!!! not after were dead, not some thousands of years into the future, but right here, right now.

It is called Tikkun Olam. The healing of the world.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


That seems to make more sense. So the part about saving their souls from hell (and ours for that matter) was just added to this expectation to spread the new religion?
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Yes, remember Constantine had a job to unite the Roman empire. The first Christians were not Christians, they were called Gnostics. They were a Mystical branch that believed in the Kabbalistic like teachings of Jesus and his wife Mary . Constantine and the Council of Nicaea rejected the Gnostic gospels of the Nag Hammadi such as the Gospel of Thomas . They rejected a lot of scrolls and picked and chose what went into the Bible. Theres only 24 books in the Jewish Bible compared to 66 in the Protestant. The Catholics have extra books called the The Apocrypha
which is not the Gnostic..

Constantine blended the gnostic movement with Roman Sun God mythology. Christmas is the birthday of Sol Invictus and Easter celebrates, Astarte, Ishtar of the Sumerian and Babylonian mythologies.

Christians eat ham at Easter cause its to commemorate the body of Tammuz who was killed by a wild boar.

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