Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 2,122 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 1,089,780
Pageviews Today: 1,374,236Threads Today: 259Posts Today: 5,465
10:50 AM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?

 
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 5514763
United States
09/24/2012 03:51 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
they dont have hell, only Gehenna
 Quoting: Anubis


gehenna is the worst hell if you know the layers of hell.. but these cheeky little bastards think they own god too.. lol.. the silly jew and his silly ways.. if i was a rich man.. lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24354325


I like that. You know the layers of hell. So it exists and it has been mapped. Link?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 24304217
Spain
09/24/2012 04:11 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
...


yes. brutally murdered.

you also bring up another good point. If it wasn't the jewish people who were looking for a jewish savior...then who was? I don't think it was rome. Surely they would of anticipated a roman savior because they were like that back then.

hmmm
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23367695


That's what I'm trying to determine. Who came up with the messiah concept that got ascribed to the jewish people?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5514763


well according to this site: [link to bible.org]

First, the messianic prophecies of the Old Testament gave the ancients hope. Adam and Eve, because of the promise of Messiah, had hope, even in the midst of their fallenness and the curse which they had to bear. The same could be said for everyone who followed them and who sinned, which is, of course, everyone.

Second, the messianic prophecies of the Old Testament were the basis for the believer's faith, and thus the substance of the "gospel" of the Old Testament. As one reads the 11th chapter of the Book of Hebrews it is apparent that prophecy is the basis of the faith of those saints of old. Messianic prophecy is the core of all prophecy. Thus, our Lord could say, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day; and he saw it, and was glad" (John 8:56).

Third, the messianic prophecies served as a standard for the conduct of the Old Testament saint.
The messianic prophecies did not deal exclusively with the circumstances of Messiah's coming (e.g., being virgin born, born in Bethlehem), but instead emphasized the character of Messiah and the nature of His righteous rule. When the prophets spoke of the righteousness of Messiah, who would rescue the oppressed, care for the afflicted, and judge the evildoer impartially, this was both an indictment of Israel's wickedness and a standard for her conduct. Many of the very things which Messiah was promised to do in the future, the Israelites were instructed to do in their own day. Thus, the descriptions of Messiah were given as a model and as a motivation for godly conduct on the part of those who looked for His coming.



...food for thought
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23367695


When the Messianic prophecy gets pushed all the way back to Adam and Eve and the fall of man, I have to wonder, are Adam and Eve and all the patriarchs roasting in hell then?

How can they get saved if they lived and died before Jesus?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5514763


by trying to observe The Law.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 24254548
United States
09/24/2012 04:40 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
Planet Earth is hell, that's why God has given it to them.
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 5514763
United States
09/24/2012 04:52 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
...


That's what I'm trying to determine. Who came up with the messiah concept that got ascribed to the jewish people?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5514763


I guess that's my point. No need for a Messiah--just do your best and that's good enough
well according to this site: [link to bible.org]

First, the messianic prophecies of the Old Testament gave the ancients hope. Adam and Eve, because of the promise of Messiah, had hope, even in the midst of their fallenness and the curse which they had to bear. The same could be said for everyone who followed them and who sinned, which is, of course, everyone.

Second, the messianic prophecies of the Old Testament were the basis for the believer's faith, and thus the substance of the "gospel" of the Old Testament. As one reads the 11th chapter of the Book of Hebrews it is apparent that prophecy is the basis of the faith of those saints of old. Messianic prophecy is the core of all prophecy. Thus, our Lord could say, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day; and he saw it, and was glad" (John 8:56).

Third, the messianic prophecies served as a standard for the conduct of the Old Testament saint.
The messianic prophecies did not deal exclusively with the circumstances of Messiah's coming (e.g., being virgin born, born in Bethlehem), but instead emphasized the character of Messiah and the nature of His righteous rule. When the prophets spoke of the righteousness of Messiah, who would rescue the oppressed, care for the afflicted, and judge the evildoer impartially, this was both an indictment of Israel's wickedness and a standard for her conduct. Many of the very things which Messiah was promised to do in the future, the Israelites were instructed to do in their own day. Thus, the descriptions of Messiah were given as a model and as a motivation for godly conduct on the part of those who looked for His coming.



...food for thought
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23367695


When the Messianic prophecy gets pushed all the way back to Adam and Eve and the fall of man, I have to wonder, are Adam and Eve and all the patriarchs roasting in hell then?

How can they get saved if they lived and died before Jesus?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5514763


by trying to observe The Law.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24304217
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 5514763
United States
09/24/2012 04:53 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
Planet Earth is hell, that's why God has given it to them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24254548


The meek shall inherit the earth (i.e., hell)?
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 5514763
United States
09/24/2012 04:57 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
Does anyone know an old testament passage that can be cited as proof that Jewish people were expecting a messiah to save them from going to hell for being sinners?
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 5514763
United States
09/24/2012 04:58 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
It's a legitimate question to have if your are christian and want to understand the origin of your faith.

Can anyone provide an answer?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 23367695
Canada
09/24/2012 05:12 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
Does anyone know an old testament passage that can be cited as proof that Jewish people were expecting a messiah to save them from going to hell for being sinners?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5514763


there are many passages...but it basically dates back to Adam.

The Bible spoke of many "Messiahs"(ones who were 'anointed' for a specific purpose), but they ALL pointed forward to THE Messiah that would ultimately come through the line of Abraham(Genesis 22:18)(James 2:23), would be sent first to Abraham's descendants, the jewish people(Romans 1:16), and then as a sacrifice for the 'whole world' of faithful mankind(1 John 2:1&2)(Galatians 3:6-9,26-29). God promised a messiah because humans would have no hope without one (Psalms 49:7) and his sacrifice was prophesied hundreds of years beforehand at Daniel 9:25&26.

The reason a 'Messiah' was needed:

Adam was created perfect and could have lived forever, with his ongoing family, but knowingly chose to disobey God. Because he now fell short of perfection, he was a 'sinner', and lost his relationship with God and his everlasting life, for himself and all his yet unborn descendants. (Genesis 1:31 and Genesis 2:17(Gen.3:6)) Job 14:4. We needed a 'repurchaser' to buy us back and give us a chance to live forever, as originally intended.

Death spread from Adam to all his descendants (Romans 5:12) "through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned. (Psalms 51:5)(Job 14:1-4) (James 1:14-15)(Romans 7:21-25) The Bible then tells us that " the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord".(Romans 6:23) (Hebrews 4:15)(1 John 2:1 & 2) The Mosaic Law temporarily covered the sins of mankind using animal sacrifices...(Hebrews 9:22)(Leviticus 17:11)(Leviticus 9:9) but it ALL pre-figured the coming of THE Messiah.

Jesus willingly came to earth as that 'Messiah' ("Christ", 'Anointed One") to REPLACE our sinful human father, Adam. To give 'life for life', a perfect human life, equal to Adam, but faithful to death(1 Corinthians 15:45). He paid a 'ransom' for us (Matthew 20:28), to buy us back from the 'enemy- 'death' (1Corinthians 15:26) to give us a choice. For righteous hearted people, who want to OBEY God, he provides not only a sacrifice for our sins, but someone to set an example for us to follow(1 Corinthians 15:45)(1 Peter 2:21&22)(Matthew 7:21-23), and a way to fulfill God's original purpose for righteous mankind to live forever.(Acts 17:26)((Isaiah 55:11)(Psalms 37:10,11,29 / Matthew 5:5)


SOURCE: [link to wiki.answers.com]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 24154530
United States
09/24/2012 06:21 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
It's a legitimate question to have if your are christian and want to understand the origin of your faith.

Can anyone provide an answer?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5514763


The concept of hell (eternal punishment in a fiery abode) is nowhere to be found in the old testament. (Jewish scriptures)

What is found is Sheol, Hebrew for the grave and Hades, Greek for the abode of the dead or grave. In contrast to another poster above, Ghehenna, mentioned by Christ was the city dump where they tossed the dead poor, animals and garbage. "Where there is gnashing of teeth and the worm dieth not." That area is now a city park on the outskirts of Jerusalem. Nevertheless, the concept of eternal punishment did not arise until after about 550AD. If you research the actual meaning of the Greek word they interpret as "eternal" you will find it does not actually mean eternal. Hell actually comes from a German word we also get the word helmet from. It originally just means covering as in out of site such as the dead are in the grave.

The concept of an eternal fiery place for the damned cannot be found in the original text of the old or new testament. The Catholic church included these teachings along with many other pagan beliefs in order to maintain control of the people through fear. Unfortunately, these erroneous doctrines persisted through the reformation.

Some other interesting facts are St. Paul who wrote a vast majority of the Epistles in the new testament never mentions such a place or punishment. Wouldn't you think, if the modern doctrine of the majority of humanity spending eternity in fiery punishment were true, he would have mentioned it? Likewise, if this were God's plans for mankind, wouldn't he have inserted it in the old testament as well? Moreover, it is clear from St. Paul's writings that he believed in Christian Universalism (not to be confused with Universalism or Unitarian Universalism)which is the understanding that Christ died for the whole world and all of creation including mankind will eventually be reconciled to God through Christ.

Keep in mind, Christ died for our sins to save us from our sins and resulting death. You will not find the concept of being saved from hell (unless you just mean death) in the Bible.

Did you know sulfur or brimstone has historically been used as a medicine and disinfectant? Both death and hell are thrown into the lake of fire burning with brimstone at the end of Revelations. This is a wonderful metaphor for the Love of God which is a burning fire. The lake of fire is more purificatory than punitive. Also, the Apostle Mark mentions that "All will be salted with fire." MK 9:49

Go here for more answers to your questions: [link to www.tentmaker.org]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 23435015
United States
09/24/2012 07:36 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
It's a legitimate question to have if your are christian and want to understand the origin of your faith.

Can anyone provide an answer?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5514763


The concept of hell (eternal punishment in a fiery abode) is nowhere to be found in the old testament. (Jewish scriptures)

What is found is Sheol, Hebrew for the grave and Hades, Greek for the abode of the dead or grave. In contrast to another poster above, Ghehenna, mentioned by Christ was the city dump where they tossed the dead poor, animals and garbage. "Where there is gnashing of teeth and the worm dieth not." That area is now a city park on the outskirts of Jerusalem. Nevertheless, the concept of eternal punishment did not arise until after about 550AD. If you research the actual meaning of the Greek word they interpret as "eternal" you will find it does not actually mean eternal. Hell actually comes from a German word we also get the word helmet from. It originally just means covering as in out of site such as the dead are in the grave.

The concept of an eternal fiery place for the damned cannot be found in the original text of the old or new testament. The Catholic church included these teachings along with many other pagan beliefs in order to maintain control of the people through fear. Unfortunately, these erroneous doctrines persisted through the reformation.

Some other interesting facts are St. Paul who wrote a vast majority of the Epistles in the new testament never mentions such a place or punishment. Wouldn't you think, if the modern doctrine of the majority of humanity spending eternity in fiery punishment were true, he would have mentioned it? Likewise, if this were God's plans for mankind, wouldn't he have inserted it in the old testament as well? Moreover, it is clear from St. Paul's writings that he believed in Christian Universalism (not to be confused with Universalism or Unitarian Universalism)which is the understanding that Christ died for the whole world and all of creation including mankind will eventually be reconciled to God through Christ.

Keep in mind, Christ died for our sins to save us from our sins and resulting death. You will not find the concept of being saved from hell (unless you just mean death) in the Bible.

Did you know sulfur or brimstone has historically been used as a medicine and disinfectant? Both death and hell are thrown into the lake of fire burning with brimstone at the end of Revelations. This is a wonderful metaphor for the Love of God which is a burning fire. The lake of fire is more purificatory than punitive. Also, the Apostle Mark mentions that "All will be salted with fire." MK 9:49

Go here for more answers to your questions: [link to www.tentmaker.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24154530


I am confused because it sounds like you are saying Christ came to save us from death, and yet, it seems like people have continued to die.

The only person I have found in the bible who didn't die was Enoch and possibly Elijah. Were they sinless?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 24154530
United States
09/24/2012 09:39 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
It's a legitimate question to have if your are christian and want to understand the origin of your faith.

Can anyone provide an answer?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5514763


The concept of hell (eternal punishment in a fiery abode) is nowhere to be found in the old testament. (Jewish scriptures)

What is found is Sheol, Hebrew for the grave and Hades, Greek for the abode of the dead or grave. In contrast to another poster above, Ghehenna, mentioned by Christ was the city dump where they tossed the dead poor, animals and garbage. "Where there is gnashing of teeth and the worm dieth not." That area is now a city park on the outskirts of Jerusalem. Nevertheless, the concept of eternal punishment did not arise until after about 550AD. If you research the actual meaning of the Greek word they interpret as "eternal" you will find it does not actually mean eternal. Hell actually comes from a German word we also get the word helmet from. It originally just means covering as in out of site such as the dead are in the grave.

The concept of an eternal fiery place for the damned cannot be found in the original text of the old or new testament. The Catholic church included these teachings along with many other pagan beliefs in order to maintain control of the people through fear. Unfortunately, these erroneous doctrines persisted through the reformation.

Some other interesting facts are St. Paul who wrote a vast majority of the Epistles in the new testament never mentions such a place or punishment. Wouldn't you think, if the modern doctrine of the majority of humanity spending eternity in fiery punishment were true, he would have mentioned it? Likewise, if this were God's plans for mankind, wouldn't he have inserted it in the old testament as well? Moreover, it is clear from St. Paul's writings that he believed in Christian Universalism (not to be confused with Universalism or Unitarian Universalism)which is the understanding that Christ died for the whole world and all of creation including mankind will eventually be reconciled to God through Christ.

Keep in mind, Christ died for our sins to save us from our sins and resulting death. You will not find the concept of being saved from hell (unless you just mean death) in the Bible.

Did you know sulfur or brimstone has historically been used as a medicine and disinfectant? Both death and hell are thrown into the lake of fire burning with brimstone at the end of Revelations. This is a wonderful metaphor for the Love of God which is a burning fire. The lake of fire is more purificatory than punitive. Also, the Apostle Mark mentions that "All will be salted with fire." MK 9:49

Go here for more answers to your questions: [link to www.tentmaker.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24154530


I am confused because it sounds like you are saying Christ came to save us from death, and yet, it seems like people have continued to die.

The only person I have found in the bible who didn't die was Enoch and possibly Elijah. Were they sinless?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23435015

Yes, Christ came to save us from sin and resulting death. Primarily spiritual death and subsequently physical death by way of the resurrection on the last day. Enoch and Elijah were not sinless as the scripture says all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Christ is the only exception to this of course. You are correct though, Enoch and Elijah were taken up by God so they did not experience physical death. However, they did need to be redeemed through Christ to live spiritually.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 22787868
Canada
09/24/2012 09:59 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
They are not afraid because they know the more souls they bring to lucifer the more fun hell will be for them. That is why each ave is sooo important. When you say: Our Lady full of grace God is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst sinners and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. Our Lady Mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. you send one of these jewish " masters" to the pit of hell to suffer forever. The jewish know their deal and they quite like lucifer.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 14392840
United States
09/24/2012 10:12 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
They are not afraid because they know the more souls they bring to lucifer the more fun hell will be for them. That is why each ave is sooo important. When you say: Our Lady full of grace God is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst sinners and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. Our Lady Mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. you send one of these jewish " masters" to the pit of hell to suffer forever. The jewish know their deal and they quite like lucifer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22787868


Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is suspicion of, hatred toward, or discrimination against jewish people for reasons connected to their Jewish heritage. Social scientists consider it a form of racism. In a 2005 U.S. governmental report, antisemitism is defined as "hatred toward jewish people—individually and as a group—that can be attributed to the Jewish religion and/or ethnicity
Rammstein Fan
Cayce disciple

User ID: 24374307
United States
09/24/2012 10:30 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
They're intelligent enough to realize that believing in something because you're afraid of the consequences of NOT believing it, is no reason to believe in it- because it's just a control mechanism, to control masses of people through fear. They recognize the Hell doctrine for what it is.
"So live your life and live it well
There's not much more of me to tell
I just got back up each time I fell"
-- Dave Mustaine
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 14392840
United States
09/24/2012 10:32 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
They're intelligent enough to realize that believing in something because you're afraid of the consequences of NOT believing it, is no reason to believe in it- because it's just a control mechanism, to control masses of people through fear. They recognize the Hell doctrine for what it is.
 Quoting: Rammstein Fan


A ++++++
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 24276364
09/25/2012 01:36 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
Jesus means Earth Pig in Latin, it also means Son of Zeus.

OP, watch this video. The story of Jesus also reflects the story of Horus


 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


So you are now denying the existence of christ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24332475


Christ is not the name of Jesus !
Christ means Chrism, anointing with Oil. The High Priests of the house of Levi were required to anoint Kings with the special blend of Exodus oil before they took the throne. This cinnamon, olive oil blend with other spices was so special, that it was only used for this special purpose and only a Priest from the house of Aaron could anoint..
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Anointed with the Spirit, by God. There are many prophecies about in Tannakh.

Rather believe Jewish lies. Nevermind.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 17421882
United States
09/25/2012 01:41 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
Why is it that they do not need a messiah to save them from hell?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5514763


Because the*Jew just makes shit up as they go along.
ozboy

User ID: 24386358
09/25/2012 01:48 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: why are Jewish people not worried about going to hell?
because we are already in hell on this planet.
ozboy

News