ANTI ISRAELI HYPOCRISY

unlike the ones youve passed onto me

have fun frolicking

If Israel where going to do anything, they'd have done it already. They've puffed themselves up with this, "Help us, or suffer god's wrath" BS. Truth, they cant do anything without a bigger country on their side and the U.S.A. isnt budging. Squirmish here, squirmish there, and eventually the whole ME will ignite then there will be no human rights to worry about- just a bunch of fricken ash.

I think you are wrong. Israel will do it. Whether we help or not.

I hope not. I don't want war. But to most, if I say I stand with Israel, it means I am all for war against Iran. Although it is not the case.

Thanks!

Zioshill!

So, what exactly are you saying? If you're going to support a country, other than your own, then do it! Iran's ready while Israel runs around like a chicken with its head cut off. Example: walking out the UN. IF Israel feels they have a right to be there and Iran dont, who the fuck walks off their turf?

That's me

I'm kind of at a loss for words about that post.....you were all over the place there.

Then you dont have enough knowledge of the subject. You dont even know where your allegiance lies. Get off the fence.

When did I say I was on the fence....come on, enough with the strawman B.S

The Zionist Plan for the Middle East

Translated and edited by Israel Shahak
The Israel of Theodore Herzl (1904) and of Rabbi Fischmann (1947)

Publisher's Note

The Association of Arab-American University Graduates finds it compelling to inaugurate its new publication series, Special Documents, with Oded Yinon's article which appeared in Kivunim (Directions), the journal of the Department of Information of the World Zionist Organization. Oded Yinon is an Israeli journalist and was formerly attached to the Foreign Ministry of Israel. To our knowledge, this document is the most explicit, detailed and unambiguous statement to date of the Zionist strategy in the Middle East. Furthermore, it stands as an accurate representation of the "vision" for the entire Middle East of the presently ruling Zionist regime of Begin, Sharon and Eitan. Its importance, hence, lies not in its historical value but in the nightmare which it presents.

The plan operates on two essential premises. To survive, Israel must 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states. Small here will depend on the ethnic or sectarian composition of each state. Consequently, the Zionist hope is that sectarian-based states become Israel's satellites and, ironically, its source of moral legitimation.

This is not a new idea, nor does it surface for the first time in Zionist strategic thinking. Indeed, fragmenting all Arab states into smaller units has been a recurrent theme. This theme has been documented on a very modest scale in the AAUG publication, Israel's Sacred Terrorism (1980), by Livia Rokach. Based on the memoirs of Moshe Sharett, former Prime Minister of Israel, Rokach's study documents, in convincing detail, the Zionist plan as it applies to Lebanon and as it was prepared in the mid-fifties.

The first massive Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1978 bore this plan out to the minutest detail. The second and more barbaric and encompassing Israeli invasion of Lebanon on June 6, 1982, aims to effect certain parts of this plan which hopes to see not only Lebanon, but Syria and Jordan as well, in fragments. This ought to make mockery of Israeli public claims regarding their desire for a strong and independent Lebanese central government. More accurately, they want a Lebanese central government that sanctions their regional imperialist designs by signing a peace treaty with them. They also seek acquiescence in their designs by the Syrian, Iraqi, Jordanian and other Arab governments as well as by the Palestinian people. What they want and what they are planning for is not an Arab world, but a world of Arab fragments that is ready to succumb to Israeli hegemony. Hence, Oded Yinon in his essay, "A Strategy for Israel in the 1980's," talks about "far-reaching opportunities for the first time since 1967" that are created by the "very stormy situation [that] surrounds Israel."

The Zionist policy of displacing the Palestinians from Palestine is very much an active policy, but is pursued more forcefully in times of contlict, such as in the 1947-1948 war and in the 1967 war. An appendix entitled "Israel Talks of a New Exodus" is included in this publication to demonstrate past Zionist dispersals of Palestinians from their homeland and to show, besides the main Zionist document we present, other Zionist planning for the de-Palestinization of Palestine.

It is clear from the Kivunim document, published in February, 1982, that the "far-reaching opportunities" of which Zionist strategists have been thinking are the same "opportunities" of which they are trying to convince the world and which they claim were generated by their June, 1982 invasion. It is also clear that the Palestinians were never the sole target of Zionist plans, but the priority target since their viable and independent presence as a people negates the essence of the Zionist state. Every Arab state, however, especially those with cohesive and clear nationalist directions, is a real target sooner or later.

Contrasted with the detailed and unambiguous Zionist strategy elucidated in this document, Arab and Palestinian strategy, unfortunately, suffers from ambiguity and incoherence. There is no indication that Arab strategists have internalized the Zionist plan in its full ramifications. Instead, they react with incredulity and shock whenever a new stage of it unfolds. This is apparent in Arab reaction, albeit muted, to the Israeli siege of Beirut. The sad fact is that as long as the Zionist strategy for the Middle East is not taken seriously Arab reaction to any future siege of other Arab capitals will be the same.

Foreward

The following essay represents, in my opinion, the accurate and detailed plan of the present Zionist regime (of Sharon and Eitan) for the Middle East which is based on the division of the whole area into small states, and the dissolution of all the existing Arab states. I will comment on the military aspect of this plan in a concluding note. Here I want to draw the attention of the readers to several important points:

1. The idea that all the Arab states should be broken down, by Israel, into small units, occurs again and again in Israeli strategic thinking. For example, Ze'ev Schiff, the military correspondent of Ha'aretz (and probably the most knowledgeable in Israel, on this topic) writes about the "best" that can happen for Israeli interests in Iraq: "The dissolution of Iraq into a Shi'ite state, a Sunni state and the separation of the Kurdish part" (Ha'aretz 6/2/1982). Actually, this aspect of the plan is very old.

2. The strong connection with Neo-Conservative thought in the USA is very prominent, especially in the author's notes. But, while lip service is paid to the idea of the "defense of the West" from Soviet power, the real aim of the author, and of the present Israeli establishment is clear: To make an Imperial Israel into a world power. In other words, the aim of Sharon is to deceive the Americans after he has deceived all the rest.

3. It is obvious that much of the relevant data, both in the notes and in the text, is garbled or omitted, such as the financial help of the U.S. to Israel. Much of it is pure fantasy. But, the plan is not to be regarded as not influential, or as not capable of realization for a short time. The plan follows faithfully

Khalil Nakhleh
July 23, 1982

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Heisenberg, why don't you go join the Israeli Defense Force if you want to serve them so much rather than support dragging your entire nation to serve their agenda?

The existence of a "Zionist State" is a historical mistake, and it is an injustice that increasing numbers of people will no longer accept

NETUREI KARTA HAS A SOLUTION TO THE MIDDLE-EAST PROBLEM

The world has suffered for decades from the unsolvable "Middle East and Palestine issue". Why hasn't anyone managed to solve the problem yet?

The root of the problem: The Palestinians want back the land that was robbed from them in 1948.The Israelis do not want to return it, claiming that it was "lawfully granted to them by the United Nations".

The existence of a "Jewish State" is a historical mistake, and it is an injustice that increasing numbers of people are no longer willing to accept. The Zionist "government" has forfeited its right to exist.

There is actually no longer a state, but only a "problem". An unsolvable Middle East problem, which threatens the entire world with destruction. The danger resulting from this problem may lead to the greatest catastrophe in human history, if we do not intervene.

The problem can only be solved peacefully and permanently, in our opinion, through the following simple steps:

1) The State of "Israel" must be dissolved. The UN decision of 1947 to partition Palestine and create the State of Israel must be recognized as a mistake, and undone.

2) The Palestinian people must take full sovereignty over the entire land of Palestine.

3) jewish people who already live in Palestine may remain in the country under Palestinian rule, and may request that the Palestinians grant them equal citizenship.

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Again.....I will repeat it, just because I stand with Israel, doesn't mean I hope there is a war. It's an odd connection some of you like to make.

What the Jewish Talmud says about gentiles

Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement."

Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.

Baba Kamma 113a. jewish people may use lies to circumvent a Gentile.

Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.

Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.

Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).

Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.

Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

And many, many more.

I don't think it is that odd. You support a nation that is itching to pull the trigger and start a war, therefore you support war.

Hey, thanks for posting this. I wanted to watch it a few months back, but didn't have the time...then I forgot about it.

Does this one have good info? I know most of everyones case against Israel and the jewish people, and zionists.

Hopefully this will have new good info!


thanks!

This is the most important documentary anyone could watch, sorry if I messed up the embedding

do they act on these like the muslims do?
Do we, as Christians do everything as the bible says?

Ummm, No. STFU.

I must have missed the memo on the ME teeorists becoming the 'good guys' and Israel being the bad guys.

I support a nation who is living in an area of the world that would like to see them destroyed. I support their right to be upset and suspicious about what Iran really wants a nuke for...

But if to you, supporting israel=supporting war, then there is nothing really left for us to talk about. Because that is a fundamental fact I disagree with.

So, my support of israel has nothing to do with religion...

You just saw through that propaganda is all.

Dude, you're riding that fence so hard and in so many different ways, you got splinters in your colon.

Ok you have established you support Israel, but you are still not being clear. If a conflict between Israel and Iran arises, should the United States stay out of it or aid Israel? How far does this support go?

It is funny you guys keep pointing to the "islamic boogeyman" as some threat. That is what the jewish controlled mainstream media portrays it as. I suggest looking at both sides rather than news straight out of Tel Aviv.

The propaganda in this country is not pro-muslim. It is controlled by the zionists. Who owns all the media in this country? Who controls all of finance in this country (including control of our money supply)? The collapse of America has occurred from within and the zionists and their whores are 100% the cause.

You forgot to mention their control of the government too. Not only do ethnic jewish people, who make up 2% of the U.S population hold a vastly disproportionate number of powerful positions in government, but they also have the most powerful lobbying group, AIPAC (who was caught sending government secrets to Israel, see Lawrence Franken scandal.) buying the government.

Ok you have established you support Israel, but you are still not being clear. If a conflict between Israel and Iran arises, should the United States stay out of it or aid Israel? How far does this support go?

It is funny you guys keep pointing to the "islamic boogeyman" as some threat. That is what the jewish controlled mainstream media portrays it as. I suggest looking at both sides rather than news straight out of Tel Aviv.


i really beg to differ. I dont think the MSM is making the 'islamic boogeyman' the threat. they ARE the threat. they want not just the US but Israel, USA, and ALL WESTERNS beheaded. But especially the jewish people. They hate them more than any others.

i really beg to differ. I dont think the MSM is making the 'islamic boogeyman' the threat. they ARE the threat. they want not just the US but Israel, USA, and ALL WESTERNS beheaded. But especially the jewish people. They hate them more than any others.